That's a nice touch 👍 I used to outfits to immerse me in the game too; gradually adding more expensive items as the gang grew (and a suit for Aisha's funeral). Next time I play SR2, I think I might use your Carlos Chain idea 👍
@@joshuastedford1670 I've been looking for an excuse to play SR2 but with a different play style so I don't have to repeat myself for the 20th time. Changing my outfits, tattoos, and overall style can be fun.
@@ahighferret true 👍 Funny you mention this, I actually started another SR2 playthrough three days ago, and my character looks exactly the same as the last five times 😂 For whatever reason, I tell myself I'm going to change style, and always revert to my instinctive preset 😄 Though this time, I'm completing all the activities - I usually rush through 'em to unlock missions as fast as possible
The Ronin do still exist but the saints never cared about the Ronin as a whole. They wanted Stillwater and they wiped out the Ronin that occupied it aswell as having their revenge on the key members.
@@marshallthefirepup5795 some rumours talk about a time machine...would be sick if the game were about gangs again! And we could change the events to rethink our decisions
@@willyc.8141 Nah, it has to be with in the end of “Get out of hell”. One of the endings of the story is if you’ll like to go back in time, maybe God just gives Gat a time machine or just brings him back in time. Either way can’t wait for it
I love how personal the Boss got with all members of the Brotherhood: Forcing Donnie to betray them as revenge for Lin, getting Maero to inadvertently kill his own girlfriend and not just killing, but crippling Matt so he can't tattoo Maero or play for the Feed Dogs ever again. Really brutal stuff.
@@jaredthompson553 it went soft so hard.. afraid taking 2 Syndicate member,Cannot Beat 2 Zinyak trooper 😂😂 since he was focused to confront Keith.. In SR2 we focused on the scene boss doing some brutal things.. while in 3 and 4 boss always got Companies while in the 2 series boss its just better Villain in this game.. while the 3 member gangs are just protagonist who coward and afraid taking down the Saints leader.. after Heard who's the boss story back then.
I'll give the golden chainsaw (most brutal death) to the brotherhood, getting stuck in a car only to have been smushed on a monster truck is quite brutal.
I have to say that the Saints at the end of SR1 have THE BEST DRIP in the franchise. Look at the SR1 good ending, in the church they had purple and pink scarfs and bandanas and gold chains and white shell toed adidas on. It really captured that mid 2000s dress style vibe. Also on a deeper level I feel they become bigger versions of the Vice Kings. And one thing that I believe helped the Saints prevail through the first 2 games is their Strength in Numbers philosophy. Notice the VKs mostly had black and white dudes and gals, Carnales had mostly Hispanic and a bit white, Rollerz had mostly white and Asian and the Saints had all racial and ethnic demographics. And most originated from the Row. I also find it interesting the King stated “it’s a shame Julius got to you first” knowing he’d gladly choose a disciple for the Kings who actually listens and knows when to be quiet, unlike Warren. Makes me wonder about the storyline if the VK member had recruited you instead of trying to kill you in the intro cutscene shootout.
Actually the rollers where more Italian whites and asians and the carnales where Hispanic mostly but the white dudes you speak of where the Columbians which are white Hispanics but the carnales are mostly mestizo but yeah also in the brotherhood there are all ethnicities in the gang so idk I guess in the second one the gangs became more diverse except the ronin which was mostly asians and maybe whites cause I swear some of them looked Caucasian but maybe they dyed their hair lmao also all civilians are randomized character creations btw
The Vice Kings without Warren and that Tanya would probably be the most moral gang in Saints Row history. They didn’t push drugs, yeah they had some Criminal money schemes but King was trying to get them to go straight, King’s Grocery and Kingdom Come records. Both being completely legitimate businesses.
@@stealthSGMB Ben King was really the only moral gang leader besides I guess Matt Miller from 3 to a lesser extent but he changed. Problem was a lot of Vice Kings were going against king by kidnapping people and trying to get on the drug trade. There’s also that thing about using people as commodities with all the coerced prostitution. Arguably the Saints are worse morally in SR1 (definitely in SR2), while Julius did want to get rid of the Saints he also went on a criminal adventure of countless things that destroyed lives and none of it worked out because gangs just showed back up.
@@Jade0603 To be fair we don’t know if King knew about the coerced stuff, I still believe Warren and Tanya did a lot of stuff behind Kings back and that if King found out about their traitorous activities he’d have gotten rid of them sooner
@@willbaker6532 If 3 of them is business runners. So Los Carnales and Sons of Samedi are drug dealers, Rollerz are street racers, Deckers are hackers, Luchadores wrestlers and Brotherhood is tattoo truck guys. Which is more street gang in your opinion?
I imagine it'd be another Julius and Ben King story where they break apart and end up being rivals, it'd be cool to see because they'd be unstoppable. Like imagine if it carried over into sr3, Maero vs Killbane😂😂
I personally like Matt Miller's character going from Leader of the Deckers to MI6 to joining the Saints in SR4 really shows that Matt Miller is actually a good guy at heart
Before I watch the video, I wanna say, the Vice Kings and the Ronin are my favorite gangs. I don't consider the "gangs" from SR3 to be actual gangs, and I also just don't like them.
the "gangs" in saints row 3 while having different aesthetics had the big downside of all being a part of one big organisation. The games were more interesting with 4 separate gangs (including the saints) fighting for power instead of saints vs big crime organisation
Shadow Wolf Gaming some of them are realistic gangs and some of them are just straight up nonsense they all have there own themes Los carnales-latino street gang/drug cartels Vice kings-black street gangs Westside rollerz-rich kids from the suburbs The brotherhood-people who overabuse tattoos and motorcycle clubs Ronin-yakuza Sons of sademi-raggae weed smokers Deckers-cybercrime groups Luchadores-uhhh WWE (this gang is some stupid ass shit) (also the only gang with no female members) Morningstar-Italian mafia (even though I think the leader is french) Saints row 2 has the best gangs and 3 has the worst imo Another thing is that every gang is multiracial which is uncommon for gangs irl as race and ethnicity is pretty important for gangs
@@mariojudahsdad7333 aside from the wrestling masks, the Luchadores had a major mercenary theme going on mixed with Hispanic gangs. How? Well, the way they were dressed was a giveaway because they all rocked military fatigues. The specialist even had an ammo vest. As for Hispanic gangs, some of them talked like vatos and such. So in my opinion, they weren't completely like wrestlers.
Watching this again, and holy shit Ben King in Saints Row 4 pretty much summed up Maero's death in the best way possible. "The Saints didn't kill you, your greed did."
That intro was so cool it gave me goosebumps lol! Awesome vid, I hope to see more content soon, especially if it's Saints Row related! Keep up the great work :)
Deckers are by far the worst in the entire series one of the worst "gang" tbh in any game Good thing the mourning star were there tho cause I actually really liked them.
Very well done. Only major differences for me is that I would have rated Los Carnales higher since it is one of the few gangs with a real backstory, and I would have placed Kings above Ronin.
I kind of felt like the Vice Kings were meant to be the only enemy gang in Saint's Row, but plans changed somewhere and they threw in the other two for some reason. The VK are the ones with all the big story events, the ones with history with the Saints (Julius in particular), and the ones whose end feels the most meaningful. I played SR1 over a decade ago and the only missions I remember from the Rollerz and Carnales were the one where you chase down and kill the old guy right after he kills Lin, the one where you chase down and kill Price at the end of the Rollerz storyline, and the one where you blow up the plane at the end of the Carnales storyline.
I can see that instead of fighting 3 different gangs, you battle VK lieutenants instead and go about screwing over their operations to weaken the entire game.
I really did feel more threat from the Saint Row 2 gangs than from the others in future installments. The Brotherhood was a good choice for the number 1 spot since we've had the most back and forth in retaliation and personal vengeance.
I respect this list. The Vice Kings we always be the best gang in my opinion. King was such an appropriate name because many kings have fallen to the under bosses. Heavy is the head that wears the crown
I hope the new saints row will be more like 1 and 2 in almost every way possible but improved. Basically saints 2 but MORE. I want to see a more realistic story setting like 1 and 2. No aliens. I want Gang warfare and gang customization.
saints row 2 is the best in my opinion with a nice balance between wacky and dark the gangs are great maps fun and story is nice i realy deserved the remaster over 3
SR2 is the best in the franchise. Gritty, but still humorous. I've put in more time in SR2 than the others. I love saints Row, and I hope the new reboot is alright.
Also I agree. The Brotherhood and The Vice Kings are the most deadliest gangs in all of the series because they knew from the start NOT to underestimate the Saints.
When saints row 4 brought out the aliens, I just labeled each enemy gangs as factions from that point on. (I know gangs and factions are the same thing, but when you mention it as saints row in a whole and not just specific titles, it would make sense for the newer fans and stuff.)
Maero's offer of 20 percent was actually quite generous, seeing as how the Saints were basically washed-up nobodies. Also, I have to give him props for having the courtesy to meet with the Boss in a public place and without his goons. The Boss didn't get that courtesy from the Ronin or the Sons of Samedi. My favorite gang in the whole series are the Deckers, followed by the Sons of Samedi, then the Westside Rollerz. I like the Deckers' cybergoth aesthetic (despite not being a cybergoth myself), the Sons of Samedi storyline, and the Westside Rollerz "pretty boy tuner" style.
But if you completed the Ronin and Samedi storylines before doing the Brotherhood then how much sense would it have made? And besides, the Saints took out the three previous gangs and owned Stilwater, Maero could've at least offered 60/40 at the bare minimum
@@PharaohTerrellGaming Thing is the gangs lack continuity so the context of the deal is completely dependant on your activity within the other gangs. However, I think the Brotherhood was intended to be the first gang you interact with, given the dialogue and the logic behind the deal itself.
@@PharaohTerrellGaming And also the Saints history is completely irrelevant, from a business standpoint the deal is extremely generous and even gives the Saints an opportunity to "dethrone" or at least integrate themselves within the Brotherhood. Maero offered them an opportunity that could've led to the benefit of both gangs, or just the Saints given how the boss is, but the boss being as egotistical and arrogant as they are took offense, and went the route of destroying the Brotherhood despite there being a better way to do it, and despite this gruesome, and damaging course of action being completely unnecessary.
Saints 1s gangs were amazing. Ronin were amazing. I'm rethinking my distaste of those tattoo guys after this vid so they're kl too. Every other gang was garbage. Just too wacky. I hope they restart this series and make it grounded. No more wizards, cyber missions, aliens and demons. Keep those things for unlockable weapons or something
My number one favorite are the Vice Kings. Ben King felt like a true gang leader. And the Ronin are my second favorite mainly because of Jyuninichi, Shogo characters and missions. But I still love the Brotherhood entire arc. RIP Carlos.
Ronin and Deckers are my top 2. Ronin were just so badass and I love the aesthetic of the Deckers. Plus the Ronin's story with Johnny and the game mission for deckers were great
I think your ranking is pretty spot on, though i feel like you saying "the rollerz were in a transition period like the carnales" isnt entirely accurate, the rollerz were the newest gang on the scene, the "deal" was more about them trying to build themselves up, unlike the carnales, who had established themselves long before and are just trying to keep their power, in terms of personal favorites, i think the gangs of SRTT were the weakest of all the games, morning star was my least favorite, luchadores were in the middle, and deckers, while still not a favorite, are the best that particular game had to offer, my favorite of them all was the vice kings, they seemed the most grounded and their story was just a blast to play through, followed by the ronin
I've always felt the Saints row 3 gangs were in the wrong order. While personally I'd make the Luchadors something more than just masked wrester gangs, I always felt like you should have to do a bunch of syndicate missions before you even end up going against one of the big 3. It shouldn't be a case of defeat the Morning Star then clean up, they should've been the end goal. From there, we have Matt fall first, but as he's a kid, he's spared. Like even though the boss is super pissed, they see this kids facade break the moment things become too real. From there it's the Luchadors, and while Killbane is fun, as you've said, they're not really memorable. I'd even add that the Luchador you do get, Angel De La Muerte, isn't too memorable himself. Remove the fact that Hulk Hogan voices him, and what is memorable? He's Killbanes rival and that's about it. No, I'd suggest things get mixed up, but still, they're the gang you face second and you do kill Killbane. As for the MorningStar, while you could have the Dewynter sisters storyline play out the same, I'd have a boss fight against them first, but they get away. Killbane kills one, the other switches and they see that Phillipe really doesn't care much about them, now that they've failed. So you do missions for them before you kill Killbane, and that's when the MorningStar missions really kick off, despite you already having done some already. Just an idea though
I really wish Kiki and Viola DeWinter had their own gang and didn’t just exist to be plot tools. Like Kiki was just there to die/show how crazy Killbane was and Viola was just there to get captured. It’s kinda bullshit.
From what I have read in some drafts of the script, it seemed that both twins were supposed to defect to the Saints. In some ways, it does make sense for Kiki to get killed off so that Viola has a reason for revenge, but I didn't like the way she was killed off. Plus, we didn't really know much about that character.
My favorite gang will always be the ronin I loved their design and fighting style plus i always shot at them for hours and we will never forget how they loved hitting u with cars every chance they got
Every gang in SR2 would hit you with cars like maniacs lol The worst were the Sons of samedi in the mall mission when you kill the General. God I hate that part sometimes lol
Love saints row and I pretty much agree with your whole list. Especially number 1. The brotherhood always felt like the strongest in sr2 which I think is the best one.
Loved this video! I agree with a lot of your points. The Carlos death broke my heart too.. Big slap in the face when Maero escaped during the big raid of their HQ before the final battle. I thought his death actually hit harder for me than Aisha's because I began at Saints Row 2. He was literally the first saint I met when I began this series.
I love the Morningstar cause of the impact they had on the Saints, That from trying to make an unfair deal with the Saints, to seemingly "killing" Johnny, or at least it seemed they did until SR4 revealed what really happened, to this incident being the catalyst that makes the Boss order the rest of the Saints to take over Steelport. Thus this incident leads into the rest of SR3's events causing the downfall of the Syndicate and it's 3 member gangs. Plus I love how sexy the Morningtar chicks are.
I loved the Luchadores aesthetic. But man after replaying SR3 they feel underdeveloped. Like, in the other gangs I can always kinda feel out what their market is. Samedi run drugs, Ronin illegal gambling, Brotherhood run weapons, Deckers cybercrime, and Morningstar prostitution. But I can't really figure out what the Luchadores really do, businesswise. Maybe they do illegal gambling like the Ronin, but it kinda seems like gambling in Steelport is... legal... so I'm not sure what their criminal enterprise is. Whereas with the Ronin you had an illegal casino hidden within a rec center, the Luchador casino seems to be operating quite out in the open.
Just beat Saints Row 1. Might as well do a personal list because seems like everyone else is having fun. 9. Deckers 8. Luchadores 7. The Morningstar 6. Rollerz 5. Los Carnales 4. The Ronin 3. Sons of Samedi 2. Vice Kings 1. The Brotherhood
Brother hood,Samedi these gang has some difficult part.. Samedi fishing docks hands down as the harder side mission Stronghold i having experienced.. if you don't blow up the boat first.. taking down the boat after destroying the Drugs on the Frozen fish Will be hard.. since 5 Notoriety Samedi are brutal with nonstop vehicles coming in.. The brotherhood is well medium-hard i think in some part of mission and side.
The Carnales are intimidating because of their history and how they made The Vice Kings come to be. It seems like Manuel was right, the sons weren't ready to be as good as their pops. I'd play a game about The Vice Kings rising up to combat The Carnales.
I liked SOS story a lot because it showed just how sociopathic, violent and power hungry The Boss has become. SOS were minding their own business (literally), and The Boss is like: "Mm, yeah, these mf's selling some good shit, time to rock an' rumble and take their stuff." Didn't bother at all to try to make a deal, just cut straight to shooting.
I wish Saints row 1 or 2 gets a remake (not a reboot, a remake) where playing the story lines at the same time gives alternate cutscenes, missions, probably gangs fighting each other. When I was watching the game play for Saints row one, I was hoping it would be like that but I still liked the game anyways. Still, it would be interesting if events like the Saints and the Vice Kings having a split mission to interrupt a Carnales meeting, or a fight between the Brotherhood and the Ronan.
I disagree, there are very little similarities between the 6 gangs, especially to the degree that the SR2 gangs should simply be considered as "replacements" of the old gangs.
How I see it, especially since I read on stuff from way back when and also listening to the dialogue of the NPCs, is that the Ronin replaced the Westside Rollerz. They have the same turf, same style of cars, and I remember hearing someone saying "if you see Sharp and Price in Hell, tell them I sent you!" I actually wonder if the Ronin was the potential buyer for the Rollerz. As for the Carnales, I think the Brotherhood replaced them. Aside from the colors, some of the members were Hispanic, maybe Mexican. They also took the same territory. I remember Luz saying something about Maero and Victor being friends. I see no real common ground between the Vice Kings and the Sons of Samedi, except maybe the territories.
@@emanuelespinoza9325 With the Sons, i would Imagine that Many people from that gang are probably ex vice kings or ex saints who Probably were strong armed to join up after the kings and saints both lost their Leaders and influence, The sons was a mixed race gang “Like the kings and saints” The leader for the the Sons was brutal and I would imagine he would viciously kill any kings or saints that a would protest Them taking over Sunnyvale Gardens or any other project area in Stillwater.
It was a shame that SR3's gangs weren't as fleshed out as 2's. Killbane and Matt are probably the most interesting and unique bosses in the series aside from maybe Maero.
This is the list of my favorite gangs least favorite to favorite 9.) The Deckers 8.) The morning star 7.) The Ronin 6.) The sons of samdi 5.) Los carnales 4.) Vice kings 3.) Rollerz 2.) Luchadores 1.) The brotherhood
Even if their missions leading up to the finale were kinda forgettable, that LC's final act was anything but. Between Dex driving like an asshole and a million dudes firing rocket launchers at us, it probably took me close to a dozen tries to finally beat it. Didn't help that their crib was a million miles away from anything to do with the rest of the game, sufficed to say that I was glad to put them in my rearview.
Solid Break Down. I immediately knew the Brotherhood would top out at #1. I can agree. It had the thickest plot, and there boss was physically involved the most. I was curious one day. So, i activated the cheat code at the end when facing off against Maero on the rooftop, to make myself larger then him, and jump higher to reach where he stands. I'll wait until his mini gun runs out of ammo of course, and approach him to see his reaction. Then just start fighting hand to hand, no weapon's. I learned that he will actually fight you. I also found out that regardless to however giant as my avatar is, Maero is programmed to not be able to be picked up. So the code to make you huge doesn't make you stronger. It's just for aesthetics. It's ridiculous to see him manhandle my guy lol. But it's possible to brawl, and take the W in that sense if you're interested. Careful, he can easily kill you with his brute strength. I would love to see him and bane go at it 1 on 1, hand to hand. No weapon's. I wonder who would win that match up.
I simply subscribed Because ur a female reacting to a game that ive had many female friends play where as youtube likes to make it seem like women don't play games. Much respect nd keep it up
honestly in saints row 2 when I think about which is my favorite (which is the ronin) I would rank them as my favorite from their preferred radio station type of areas you'd see them in and the other stuff you said
In my opinion the best saint row was saint row 2. It had this unique gang theme that you don’t find in any other games even gta. Saint Row 2 really captures what a gang Video game is supposed to be. Saints Row the third was like a more modern version with better graphics and gameplay but SR 2 just had soo many good attributes.
My list from least fav to most fav is Deckers, Morning Star, Luchadores, Westside Rollerz, Los Carnales, Sons of Samedi, Vice Kings, Ronin and Brotherhood
Also the fact that jessica's death was the catalyst for STAG being made the brotherhood is the connection for both government gangs being made to fight the saints, although I think the ronin are better and more memorable it really is no contest for the Ronin, Brotherhood and Kings to be top 3
awesome list, the saints row 2 gangs were definitely peak for me. i remember doing the sons, then the ronin and lastly the brotherhood. felt right narratively lol
The Ronin also hold the position as one of the strongest gangs in Saints Row 2. In the museum stronghold mission they come at you with Tornado attack helicopters, not counting gang tornados featured in the activities, this makes them the only gang to have them.
