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Rant: How to solve the Gatwick rogue drone problem 

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A rogue drone flying near Gatwick airport in the UK is disrupting the travel plans of thousands. The police appear powerless to do anything. Why is that? In this rant, I propose the obvious solution -- why are they not doing this???

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@davidwebb4904
@davidwebb4904 5 лет назад
This morning, the BBC were reporting this “drone” had been buzzing the airport for the last 11 hours. Thats one hell of a battery.
@yalfie
@yalfie 5 лет назад
David Webb there are different drones. I work at Gatwick
@licensetodrive9930
@licensetodrive9930 5 лет назад
If drones have been sighted on occasions for hours on end, how I'd do that would be to have batteries charged in rotation.
@xjet
@xjet 5 лет назад
And even if they have a 5-mile range (as claimed in the media) -- how the hell could they find a launch-spot in such a densely populated area without attracting the attention of other people on the ground?
@patrickcolclough2423
@patrickcolclough2423 5 лет назад
@@xjet They could be flying from inside of a moving car just circulating around the airport?
@thescarymonkeyshow
@thescarymonkeyshow 5 лет назад
@@xjet Gatwick is actually in a very rural area. I know because I work near the end of the runway. What I don't understand is why the place is still closed 9 hours after the 'drone' was last seen... Must be something else going on we don't know about!
@martingeordie
@martingeordie 5 лет назад
There are a lot of inconsistent news about this story as the weather is not good for flying a drone and 60mph gusts, and there is plenty of opportunities missed to catch the alleged culprit, or bring in anti drone tech. I think there is an ulterior motive to this story.
@TonyLing
@TonyLing 5 лет назад
I'm 33 miles away in Brighton, it's wet and horrible, but not particularly windy
@Temporal_Flux
@Temporal_Flux 5 лет назад
@@TonyLing Weather is localized. It can literally be pouring with rain in your front garden but dry and sunny in your back garden. Don't know what the weather is at Gatwick but, that is not the only thing that doesn't make sense.
@jibbajabba4597
@jibbajabba4597 5 лет назад
Tony Ling I'm five miles away and it was pissing down at 9pm last night, just sayin...
@TheDeadlyraptor
@TheDeadlyraptor 5 лет назад
So pissing down and 60mph gales and 11 hours over airport must be flying a predator 🙈🙈
@martingeordie
@martingeordie 5 лет назад
@@TheDeadlyraptor and after 36 hours still no credible evidence.
@SJMDronesMedia
@SJMDronesMedia 5 лет назад
I live in the UK and find it unbelievable on how it’s been handled, after all it’s not rocket science on how to bring the drone down , the fire service at the airport have water cannons,there are loads commercial kits available that can track the pilots location, but the police with a helicopter can’t find it ! Numerous police officers and airport security can’t find the pilot, oh forgot , now the military are involved ! I understand that the airport was given guidance advice on the drone risk over a year ago, but never invested in any prevention, no doubt it will be us poor hobbyists who will pay the price with even more rules , restrictions on the hobby. Funny I’ve not seen 1 credible picture of the offending drone, that’s my rant over, Regards.
@patrickcolclough2423
@patrickcolclough2423 5 лет назад
My guess is they're flying it from a moving car, flying a battery and then going home for a spliff and a laugh while they re-charge. Bloody hard to track, it's not like it's been flying all this time. The report has three sightings in 24 hours.
@richardkaz2336
@richardkaz2336 5 лет назад
Tend to think that fire cannon have a limited vertical or near vertical range. Just take up a sacrificial Mavic drone to take out some props and down they come. Admittedly I wouldn't like a industrial size drone between 10-200kg dropping on my head, car or house could get a bit messy.
@RawTopShot
@RawTopShot 5 лет назад
Patrick Colclough Neighbour is watching news now and just said they're saying there's been 50 drones so far... Lol lol lol wtf? ( I don't have a TV otherwise I'd fact check what she just text messaged me)
@coccoborg
@coccoborg 5 лет назад
Of all the things, I cannot believe the military does not have a few small drones and a skilled enough pilot to take this POS down! I second what was said in the video, I'd gladly help by smashing one of my models into this thing if I was there and was asked to, or if they want to capture it, why not hang a big net below an s1000?
@Liofa73
@Liofa73 5 лет назад
As far as I am aware from watching here in the UK, the drone keeps making fleeting appearances. And many of them were at night and the day is fairly short at the moment, they can't risk sending up planes in the dark, even if they think the drone has gone.
@100SteveB
@100SteveB 5 лет назад
Lol, just realised why the police have not put up any drones to try and follow them - the Police over here in the UK tend to use DJI Inspires, lol, no doubt the Inspire is refusing to take off because of the geofencing. Doubt the police would know how to get around that one. Pilot is probably still sitting there now scratching his head wondering why is drone won't take off.
@cooldata2000
@cooldata2000 5 лет назад
100SteveB - I totally agree
@larkhill2119
@larkhill2119 5 лет назад
You own the internet LoL
@peterhughes2091
@peterhughes2091 5 лет назад
Bit of a silly comment. Police pilots are Pfco trained and of course will know how to “get round “ the geofencing.
@tdmap2241
@tdmap2241 5 лет назад
peter hughes I think you missed the sarcasm here
@peterhughes2091
@peterhughes2091 5 лет назад
TD Map Gee do ya think? 😂
@bobboo1319
@bobboo1319 5 лет назад
its a joke..they could take it down if they wanted...some thing is a miss.
@5zero7RC
@5zero7RC 5 лет назад
I think I agree. If that helicopter filming surfers could easily fly over a drone and propwash it into the ocean, then surely the airport/government/military could come up with some plan. Though I think just getting some good FPV pilots on scene to follow it back to where it lands seems like the simple solution.
@edwardalamo2507
@edwardalamo2507 5 лет назад
We need Prince Charles in a Spitfire there you go
@henryD9363
@henryD9363 5 лет назад
If the authorities treat this like a monstrous insurmountable problem they will be given more control, more money, and more powers. That's what they want. They absolutely do not want a simple and effective solution.
@lalleprutt868
@lalleprutt868 5 лет назад
Something is not right. It feels like some sort of false flag to achieve a purpose. Either that or so, the drone pilot is not from a skiing nation. Something is not right.
@richw0123
@richw0123 5 лет назад
​@@lalleprutt868 Definitely seems that way, Brexit distraction I think, things were getting beyond toxic in the media.
@grim-upnorth
@grim-upnorth 5 лет назад
No footage or pictures of the Gatwick drones yet. Over 100,000 passengers stuck there, thousands of ground staff... all of whom have cameras on their smartphones and not a single person has been able to provide footage or pictures of the drones. One woman took footage of a full size helicopter and posted on social media it was the drone... FFS!
@liamthomasltfpv2073
@liamthomasltfpv2073 5 лет назад
agree with this - there must be hundreds of thousands of people in the area with cameras, yet we do not see one video clip of the "drone". something isnt right with this story, but now the fear of drones has been amplified, and the stranded people will be the first to jump on the "ban all drones" train.
@evo-labs
@evo-labs 5 лет назад
Nah, bro, it's cause it's one of dem Russki spy drones wit da stealth mode. A shirtless Putin, astride a black bear, is probably remotely piloting it from the Kremlin. 😁
@grim-upnorth
@grim-upnorth 5 лет назад
Not to mention the media circus at the airport all day, with their cameras and zoom lenses. It's just very very odd that something this big is happening, with this much disruption, but we're yet to see a verified picture or video of any of the drones
@liamthomasltfpv2073
@liamthomasltfpv2073 5 лет назад
@@grim-upnorth it's BS for sure. Would take 10 minutes to take it out with a fpv quad trailing a weighted nylon net . Something else is going on here.
@grim-upnorth
@grim-upnorth 5 лет назад
@@liamthomasltfpv2073 They wouldn't dare allow the use of drones to actually help out in this situation... it's too far removed from their agenda that all drones are evil.
@davidwebb4904
@davidwebb4904 5 лет назад
Remember the Heathrow “grocery bag”?
@licensetodrive9930
@licensetodrive9930 5 лет назад
Yes, I also remember none of the supermarkets apologised to the quadcopter hobbyists for that.
@topopops
@topopops 5 лет назад
I remember that, do you remember the Euro star used tissue calamity of 2007?
@liquidsky5428
@liquidsky5428 5 лет назад
It's a cover up for something different.
@patrickcolclough2423
@patrickcolclough2423 5 лет назад
Welcome, tinfoil hat people.
@fljugamaur5668
@fljugamaur5668 5 лет назад
exactly
@liquidsky5428
@liquidsky5428 5 лет назад
@@patrickcolclough2423 Show me one photo of this supposed drone, one video. It's 2018 everybody have a camera this days.
5 лет назад
@@liquidsky5428 there are no photos because it spooked the horses.
@trissy4586
@trissy4586 5 лет назад
Aliens!?
@RedHotPheasant
@RedHotPheasant 5 лет назад
What I can't understand is with the technology of today, everyone and there granny has smartphones with cameras. The media have cameras that can see a full stop on a newspaper from a mile away, why are there no pictures of this alleged drone????
@patrickcolclough2423
@patrickcolclough2423 5 лет назад
Because it's hardly ever flying, big airport, miles long?
@startazz
@startazz 5 лет назад
@@patrickcolclough2423 Plus take into consideration the weather,visibility wasn't at it's best and not to mention the wind with gust's of up to 50/60mph apparently,so if they are flying in that it's one hell of bit of kit they have there. ;-)
@RedHotPheasant
@RedHotPheasant 5 лет назад
There have been 50 or so reported "sightings" if you can see it you can get a picture, better than the human eye. There are enough media people there that they could probably form a human chain around the perimeter. 36 hour on and not one credible picture or video even with the worlds eyes on it. Fake news almost certainly.
@patrickcolclough2423
@patrickcolclough2423 5 лет назад
Not a problem, wind shouldn't have any noticeable effect.@@startazz
@ClannerA01
@ClannerA01 5 лет назад
@@patrickcolclough2423 Well, RC helicopters and multirotors aren't affected by wind as much compared to fixed wing in terms of handling. But it does drain the batteries faster.
@peteradshead2383
@peteradshead2383 5 лет назад
They can't find it because it is not there , 100s of press and no pictures.
@aliberkozderya3112
@aliberkozderya3112 5 лет назад
It is very weird that they are having so much trouble dealing with this and also there is no pictures or videos of any drone over the airport. I agree that it would be very easy to find a race quad flyer to knock the thing out of the sky.
@jibbajabba4597
@jibbajabba4597 5 лет назад
Ali Berk ÖZDERYA I know of three in the local area, excluding myself, and 400+ fixed wing model pilots, but knowing how Gatwick has treated the locals recently, I doubt you'd find one willing to help them.
@peterhearl
@peterhearl 5 лет назад
I still haven’t seen any videos, over 12 hours and nobody got it on video. Daily Mail found a random clip which could have been taken anywhere.
@denstoneshorte2715
@denstoneshorte2715 5 лет назад
Bruce, I live in the UK and that's exactly what I've been saying to anybody whose willing to listen, but of course everybody immediately blames hobbyists for anything quad copter related as being criminal!.......there was some "expert" on a BBC radio station today who suggested registration or GEO fencing would combat the problem. We really do have a bunch idiots legislating for us here in the UK and it's only with the help and input of people like yourself (particular You!) that we will be able to reeducated these morons.....Thanks for all you've done for our hobby, you are a real hero to us.
@ScoobGruber
@ScoobGruber 5 лет назад
I thought the same thing. Why not follow it back with another drone
@Temporal_Flux
@Temporal_Flux 5 лет назад
Ah, here it is. I have been waiting for this all day. All I can say is that, they should have been able to deal with this quickly with another drone, as you say Bruce. I can guarantee you that the police (and the army, as they are now there) have their own drones. It makes me wonder if this is scaremongering for the express purpose of influencing the the new drone rules that the UK government are currently formulating. I am not usually a conspiracy theorist but, the timing of this is very curious. Regardless of who is doing it, they deserve more punishment than they will get. Not only for giving our hobby a bad name by association (I know it is not a hobby drone) but, also for the disruption to all those people who have had their travel arrangements ruined.
@licensetodrive9930
@licensetodrive9930 5 лет назад
It's got to be big business, they want hobbyists out of the way for their drone delivery crap. /tin foil hat :)
@Temporal_Flux
@Temporal_Flux 5 лет назад
@@licensetodrive9930 Exactly my thinking (after half a roll of Bacofoil 😉). Whoever it is, they are on a mission. They gotta be well kitted out to have been doing it for this long. They are not just using one battery, waiting for it to charge then going out again, LOL.
@patrickcolclough2423
@patrickcolclough2423 5 лет назад
@@Temporal_Flux Nah, it's just a couple of likely-lads 'avin' a larf. That's just what they are doing, the damm things's only been seen three times. Big business my arse.
@Temporal_Flux
@Temporal_Flux 5 лет назад
@@patrickcolclough2423 If it were a Phantom or something, I'd agree. But, an industrial drone... ?
@startazz
@startazz 5 лет назад
@@Temporal_Flux I sort of agree but who's the person who said it was an industrial drone? i thought only a few people have seen it,so was there a RC hobbyist among the the few or what? one thing is for sure though,things don't seem to be adding up here,poor visibility,wind with gusts up to 50/60mph,that is one tasty bit of kit they have there,at least no phantom is flying it that wind. :-)
@Tyecantfly
@Tyecantfly 5 лет назад
A lot of excuses why they can't find the operator. You can't take off and land again without someone noticing.
@MarkMiller-zm2th
@MarkMiller-zm2th 5 лет назад
It’s no drone. Just a cover story, probably for an anti terror operation.
@mikezinn7212
@mikezinn7212 5 лет назад
Stop being an idiot!
@TherealElliot
@TherealElliot 5 лет назад
As someone who has been shooting clay pigeons competitively for the last 37 years, I can say with extreme confidence that with regular clay pigeon ammunition I or any other AA class clay pigeon shooter, would have very little difficulty bringing down any regular domestic or industrial drone, and without any worries about falling rounds, because regular clay pigeon ammunition use cartridges that contain hundreds of tiny led balls (depending on specific loads about 350), because these tiny led balls are so small and weigh so little, they can not retain kinetic energy over any great distance, or in other words when shot into the air, when they come back down, they do so with about the same kinetic energy of snow flakes, or less kinetic energy than that of a rain drop.
@jimphillips3992
@jimphillips3992 5 лет назад
Did nobody get its registration number???
@CJDavies
@CJDavies 5 лет назад
Everybody who proffers this idea about using another drone to take out the 'rogue' drone seems to have completely failed to comprehend the size of Gatwick airport. We're talking about an area ~7km across with a boundary ~25km long. Even if you had dozens of miniquad pilots evenly spread out across the entire area, the chances of one of them being close enough to respond in time to a sighting to actually get in the air & coordinate with a spotter to find the rogue drone before its operator just shoots off up to 2000ft is laughably low. The combined intelligence of the airport, the police & the army isn't so low that they wouldn't've considered this idea & put it in to action if it actually stood a chance.
@skybug3
@skybug3 5 лет назад
Spot on - better yet, call out local flyers to put up lots of drones. More chances to knock it down, get video of it, or follow it to landing spot. Got to wonder what tech the authorities claim to have spend millions on to address predictable incidents such as this.
@jibbajabba4597
@jibbajabba4597 5 лет назад
David Dawson there's about 400 members of local model flying clubs in and around the area, some even have commercial pilots among their ranks, but given how poorly Gatwick has treated the local community, I doubt anybody will be clamouring to go and help.
@unclebedhead9099
@unclebedhead9099 5 лет назад
It wouldn't work. Hard to tell which drone was the original bad one.
@billburnhope2176
@billburnhope2176 5 лет назад
David Dawson make that billions, but what the heck, it’s only public money!
@licensetodrive9930
@licensetodrive9930 5 лет назад
One theory I heard was that it could be an environmental activist trying to stop airplanes from flying.
@patrickcolclough2423
@patrickcolclough2423 5 лет назад
You heard, or made up?
@licensetodrive9930
@licensetodrive9930 5 лет назад
Isn't it the same thing in this context? Nobody currently has any real answers so we're left scrabbling for theories.
@jibbajabba4597
@jibbajabba4597 5 лет назад
Patrick Colclough this rumour has been going round locally, there has been protesters at the airport already this year, there is also a anti frakking camp about 750 meters from the runway and my dad saw the main guy in the camp talking to the police earlier (well if you call four coppers dragging him out the camp and across the road talking, then fair enough), Gatwick has angered a lot of people locally, so the local theories are environutters, someone angered by their recent announcement about how they're going to break the law "legally" to increase capacity and don't care what anybody thinks, or an ex-employee maybe disgruntled with how the airport has treated it's ground staff recently, could be anybody really, could even be some nutter 30 miles away using waypoint missions.
@PiDsPagePrototypes
@PiDsPagePrototypes 5 лет назад
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/20/environmental-protests-suspected-orchestrating-gatwick-drone/
@woogieman02
@woogieman02 5 лет назад
Another instance of people not knowing what the frack they are talking about. What a great way to get people to hate "drones/UAVs"....make us the hobbiest the villians to give people someone to hate on. Much easier to past laws banning anything rc in the future. It is for the safety of course
@colcol303
@colcol303 5 лет назад
There's not allot of information realy. This is not little Johnny with an early Christmas present. This is a well planned operation with multiple drones day and night. They could be terror related but they have said it's not. Thought they'd be abit swifter installing countermeasures. Guess it will all come out
@jonhimself77
@jonhimself77 5 лет назад
Took the words out of my mouth. Utter incredible lunacy going on at Gatwick which kinda makes me believe there is a bit more to it than meets the eye.
@jeepman012
@jeepman012 5 лет назад
When this story hit the news on Wed, my first thought was send up a Police Quad, Some of our Police Forces have been using Quads for a while now, like you said,, send up another Quad and follow the Rogue drone or just Take it out with a good hard collision , If they had asked the model flying community what's the easiest solution this would have been sorted within a couple of hour's. all the best XJet, from Herts UK.
@TheFunkadelicFan
@TheFunkadelicFan 5 лет назад
The only way to stop a bad guy with a drone is a good guy with a drone. Or something.
@5zero7RC
@5zero7RC 5 лет назад
I want to be the first person that gets called when the authorities need a "good guy with a drone". Any idea how I get on that list? :)
@herbertshallcross9775
@herbertshallcross9775 5 лет назад
It's remarkable that authorities can assertively state that something the authorities haven't actually seen is an "industrial type drone".
@georgedowning1803
@georgedowning1803 5 лет назад
Has anyone actually seen the drone, can't find any photos or video that aren't obviously fake or so bad quality it's just a blur in the sky and could be anything.
@billburnhope2176
@billburnhope2176 5 лет назад
George Downing , policeman plod said he had seen one, no corroborating evidence though, so that has been enough to create this farce! My wife said from the get go it’s a training exercise of some sort. I’m embarrassed for my country for being so gullible!
@georgedowning1803
@georgedowning1803 5 лет назад
@@billburnhope2176 agreed
@JamesHurd
@JamesHurd 5 лет назад
You would have thought the police helli would have been able to follow the drone back to where it landed..
@jibbajabba4597
@jibbajabba4597 5 лет назад
James Hurd every time the drone turned up the copper chopper had to land, elf n safety, so I was told by someone who works there. It's pathetic how this has all been handled.
@5zero7RC
@5zero7RC 5 лет назад
@@jibbajabba4597 Just call the guy flying the helicopter that was filming a surfing event not long ago. He had no trouble blowing a drone out of the sky into the ocean :)
@JamesHurd
@JamesHurd 5 лет назад
@@jibbajabba4597 police helli's have infared cameras, They could easy sit 500ft away and still see the bloody thing.. There is no excuse to land a helli for this drone at all..
@jibbajabba4597
@jibbajabba4597 5 лет назад
James Hurd you an I know that, but this is the Police were talking about, the same force that rugby tackled a drone operator to the ground some years ago and caused the drone to crash into an accident scene because they didn't like being filmed, I give you Chris Grayling talking shit on BBC just now as a fine example of the mentality of the people in charge.
@davidwebb4904
@davidwebb4904 5 лет назад
There is no Gatwick drone problem. Its just another imaginary drone.....
@bencarter96
@bencarter96 5 лет назад
Honestly it is ridiculous, I am here in the UK and I have had the news on in the background all day and they all talk about how "this is a criminal offence so please stop" and "Well in the future we are going to make mandatory tests, make age requirements and enforce no fly zone in all drones that are sold". But then they get asked what they are doing about it now. Cue puzzled look and nothing... They are doing nothing about it now. God forbid someone says that in future someone with ill intent could just disable any safety features or build their own without any safety features built in and close down any airport in the world. Get ready for copycats because if its that easy to cause this level of disruption then frankly you'd be stupid not to. The number of times I have said just dangle some fishing lines off a cheap drone from down the local Argos and fly it over the drone so it tangles the propellers. But no, they get in the army in instead. They are welcome to come hire me to do the job, I will sacrifice one of my drones for a fraction of the cost the airport being shut 24 hours has cost. I mean its not like I will be able to fly my drones much longer after this anyway.
@iforce2d
@iforce2d 5 лет назад
The Royal Army has a drone racing team, so maybe they are doing exactly that. www.forces.net/news/meet-british-militarys-drone-racers
@PaulWingfield
@PaulWingfield 5 лет назад
Exactly how will charging honest folk to fly their drones stop idiots breaking the law? Why don't you suggest that all car drivers are penalised because a terrorist drove into people on Westminster Bridge, after all, that has the same logic! At the moment most jobby fliers use DJI drones which ALL have an automatic limitation built in that stops us from flying in airport zones of beyond limits. Only those who want to commit crimes do so and they don't give a dam what licences are required because they won't be bothering to get one!
@bencarter96
@bencarter96 5 лет назад
@@PaulWingfield I know that was my point. They are all desperately trying to come up with solutions but missing the point by a mile. We should ban all planes because 9/11 was a thing. Thats their level of logic.
@thesquisheee
@thesquisheee 5 лет назад
I work at Gatwick and have communication links to airfield ops, and I fly drone recreationally, (fast racer drones, not silly GPS locked DJI stuff). When I get back after Christmas I'll be going through the channels to creat a preventative measure. Just being able to jump up and divebomb an offending drone would be a fantastic idea and having a pilot on hand to do so would make it very easy to set up. The whole fiasco had just been terrible and the knock-on effect is going to be horrendous, not only for passengers displaced by it who will be suffering for the next few days still but also our hobby that is going to face further restrictions as a result of this.
@Drone256
@Drone256 5 лет назад
The fallacy in your solution is assuming the bad guys have only one or a small number of drones. They could have thousands of drones and it would still be a relatively cheap military operation. Your solution does not work if a new drone shows up every hour.
@PiefacePete46
@PiefacePete46 5 лет назад
In a country with 66 million people, someone must be able to see where it is operating from!
@yassermasood3423
@yassermasood3423 5 лет назад
On my news feed it said it was not a drone but rather the lights of tower cranes.😂
@Tomteeejay
@Tomteeejay 5 лет назад
No that was later sightings after the airport was re-opened. The report was checked out as a matter of routine. The tower crane was six miles away from the airport. Think about it? Police receive report from member of the pubic and they are under obligation to check it out. Nothing remarkable and this was after the airport was re-opened. "The Surrey Police officers were called to investigate a red light "hovering" over a bus station in Redhill But when they arrived, they found the mysterious beam was just a warning light on top of a crane. The force posted on the Reigate and Banstead Beat Facebook page: "Just been tasked to attend Redhill town [centre] to a reported 'drone sighting'. "Described as a red light hovering over the bus station, not moving and not making any noise. "Due to recent events at Gatwick we popped down to investigate further ... " www.thesun.co.uk/news/8053661/gatwick-drone-sighting-investigated-crane-lights/
@herbertshallcross9775
@herbertshallcross9775 5 лет назад
Somebody wants government to buy a very expensive system to "protect" airports from drones.
@Liofa73
@Liofa73 5 лет назад
As far as I am aware from watching here in the UK, the drone keeps making fleeting appearances. 50 sightings, so getting a drone up there when the sightings are all over the place is likely proving tough.
@xjet
@xjet 5 лет назад
I think it would be very easy to recruit a team of miniquad fliers and station them around the perimeter of the airfield. Each of these people would (undoubtedly) have half a dozen or more 4S 1300mAH packs all charged and ready to go. They could be airborne within seconds of a report being received and it would show how the *HOBBY* can be a potent force for good against the evil sods who would MISuse drones. BMFA or FPVUK should be talking seriously to the military and CAA right now about providing this service and if the authorities refuse then that refusal should be made VERY public.
@TheMadmacs
@TheMadmacs 5 лет назад
maybe we should inform security that if they buy some goggles they have a good chance of following it home?
@EddieFPV
@EddieFPV 5 лет назад
This is why I am convinced that there is more to this story than what the media portrays.
@roedere
@roedere 5 лет назад
Great idea drone vs drone! Not only was that flying illegal, it was done by an individual who appears to have deliberately wanted to cripple airport and country. Then the media stirs up fears showing the debunked damaged video of drone vs plane impact test. Funny, in news story they said a BA flight once hit a drone allegedly, but nothing happened to plane and it landed safely. Let’s stir up the fear! Here come the pitchforks for us legal folks! Why the airport doesn’t have a drone defender system after prior incidences is on them, but blame drone. Sad for passengers.
@jibbajabba4597
@jibbajabba4597 5 лет назад
Erich Roeder because the people running Gatwick put profits before safety.
@ArcturanMegadonkey
@ArcturanMegadonkey 5 лет назад
I've been saying it all the time it's been happening "get someone with a DJI Phantom III to follow it home and arrest the idiots!"
@johnhall1784
@johnhall1784 5 лет назад
1: Who’s to say they’ll fall on the runway. 2: We still wouldn’t know who is flying the rogue drone or drones.
@lateefs7229
@lateefs7229 5 лет назад
the cat was like "Is this live, am I on t.v."
@alanchase7329
@alanchase7329 5 лет назад
I would agree with the "follow it back". Knocking it out of the sky is an option as long as you know where it will land. If it fell in the fast lane of a motorway it could cause loss of life.
@serval_fpv
@serval_fpv 5 лет назад
Just been announced that the police now think it was lights from a crane !! What an absolute joke !
@aUCLZlstrBh5upnFr7OmhNHag
@aUCLZlstrBh5upnFr7OmhNHag 5 лет назад
They should attach a net on another drone, then fly the net into the rogue drone. The propellers will become stuck and that it will tumble down.
@DFDuck55
@DFDuck55 5 лет назад
What I find suspect about this "rogue drone" is with all the cameras, video surveillance, and thousands of camera phones at an airport... there is not one photo or video to corroborate it's existence.
@ofiasdfnosdf
@ofiasdfnosdf 5 лет назад
Was just having the same exact conversation. They could easily invite a hundred quad pilots who would be thrilled to knock it out - easily!
@MilitantPeaceist
@MilitantPeaceist 5 лет назад
For the billions they spend on anti-terrorist technology, how could they overlook something as basic as this?
@mrnobody9821
@mrnobody9821 5 лет назад
As far as I understand the FPV community in the UK offered to help, police didn’t want it.
@lloydprunier4415
@lloydprunier4415 5 лет назад
Does it look like a sleigh?
@mk1tina
@mk1tina 5 лет назад
On the news the police helicopter was searching the area for Drones. How many times have they told us drones are a serious risk to manned aircraft.. clearly not if u are flying pigs!.
@G6OSV1
@G6OSV1 5 лет назад
why have they called in the army and not the airforce,a couple of sonic bangs from a Tornado might shift them
@johngoldsmith4844
@johngoldsmith4844 5 лет назад
You mean when the Tornado hits the drone? That could make quite a bang.
@steveone9375
@steveone9375 5 лет назад
I think it must be the start of an alien invasion 🤣🤣🤣
@firminshepherd4834
@firminshepherd4834 5 лет назад
I think what you think is excellent, Bruce. A drone catcher drone. It's got to be possible. Or even a large hawk- I think this has even been tested. For all our sakes, please someone do something! Great to see you Bruce, thanks for uploading!
@cretecandi6807
@cretecandi6807 5 лет назад
Definitely something weird is going on here, it’s as if the authorities want this to go on and on...... I mean it can’t be hard to triangulate the source of the radio signal to locate the “flyer” ..... surely !!!!!!
@johngoldsmith4844
@johngoldsmith4844 5 лет назад
You telling us these drones are the only devices around Heathrow using 2.4GHz? I don't think so. And the flyer could have lots of friends intentionally operating other transmitters. Having competed in several amateur radio 'Fox hunts' (which involve tracking down a transmitter) I can tell you it's very difficult to track down a transmitter even when you know the frequency and when it will transmit.
@YellowPinkie
@YellowPinkie 5 лет назад
What's wrong with a 12 gauge shotgun - the pellets would land in the confines of the airfield? A local gun club could have had this down in 30 minutes of the call. Total embarrassment.
@cup_and_cone
@cup_and_cone 5 лет назад
All I can picture are two dozen unarmed UK police synced to the Benny Hill theme music.
@jibbajabba4597
@jibbajabba4597 5 лет назад
Cup & Cone that is literally how it was described to me today by someone who works right next to the airport LOL
@DavidDeLuge
@DavidDeLuge 5 лет назад
You've said exactly what I've been saying all day. I live in the UK and would have sorted it myself by now! It's a ridiculous situation.
@alanlegg9972
@alanlegg9972 5 лет назад
My fear drone or not, is that this will give people for what ever reason an idea !!
@EgilWar
@EgilWar 5 лет назад
Drone's flight time is at best 30 minutes.
@johngoldsmith4844
@johngoldsmith4844 5 лет назад
It only needs to be up for a minute or two - just get seen and come back down. No-one has claimed it lingers up there for long. And for the same reason the idea of taking it down by collision is very very difficult as you have to find it first.
@ghafoorhussain6677
@ghafoorhussain6677 5 лет назад
Just turned the radio off, LBC in the Uk is ranting on and on and on, about something none of the presenters understand, the even admit they have no idea how a drone works. But it doesn't stop them stirring the pot. Then you get those drone security experts coming on, telling the country that there is no need for the public to even use a drone. I'm fed up!!
@dutchflyingwings5862
@dutchflyingwings5862 5 лет назад
And it wouldn't surprise me that authorities set this whole thing up. To put more pressure on the government for law enforcement
@dazza3185
@dazza3185 5 лет назад
I called Sussex police when this 1st kicked of at Gatwick and offered my assistance as a professional drone pilot in this matter and said the same as you have said they said if they needed me they would be in contact, they never contacted me
@mark77woody
@mark77woody 5 лет назад
If this thing has been causing havoc for so long there must be footage of it. I'm sure a 12 bore would sort it, don't have worry too much about shot falling if you miss either. Shit I did a clay pigeon shoot not a mile from Gatwick airport perimeter.
@sanpol4399
@sanpol4399 5 лет назад
The bad guy has a car, the policeman has a car. The bad guy has a gun, the police has a gun. The bad guy has a motorcycle, a policeman has a motorcycle. The bad guy has a drone, the policeman has a....
@ColinWatters
@ColinWatters 5 лет назад
Might have been an autonomous drone, programmed to fly a random pattern near the airfield when no control signal detected. Then all they need do is toss it out a car window.
@iainbell3985
@iainbell3985 5 лет назад
Also news says the police helicopter was up why didn't they use the downdraught from the blades to knock it out of the sky. They've jus announced that they have asked the mod for advice...mmmmm somthing not quite right with this picture is there...like I said something smells a bit with this latest bit of drone bashing...
@jibbajabba4597
@jibbajabba4597 5 лет назад
Iain Bell I don't know how true it is but I was told every time the drone entered the airspace, the police chopper has to land due to health and safety concerns, I live a few miles from Gatwick and it's utter chaos, the airport is locked down, nobody in, nobody out, and they were chasing the drone around on foot this morning like something out of a Benny Hill episode, utterly pathetic and only shows how completely unprepared they are. It's a good job the registrations haven't come in yet as I reckon all they'd do is go to the nearest registered user and bang them up for this.
@dbanexus2660
@dbanexus2660 5 лет назад
You don't know much about flying a helicopter, do ya?
@jibbajabba4597
@jibbajabba4597 5 лет назад
DB Anexus who me? Nope none in the slightest, but I'm not sure how that is relevant to what I posted.
@stephenguk
@stephenguk 5 лет назад
I think there is a good deal more to come on this story. The cost to all involved must be into £10s of millions by now, so there must be something in it. However, perhaps Gatwick can make more money from captive passengers than flying ones? Enhancing legislation is not the answer to this, but if Dunblane is an example, the word Drone will be deleted from the Oxford English Dictionary.
@MrTUBER408
@MrTUBER408 5 лет назад
Great thought Bruce. I would suggest that the police send their helicopter, with an officer equipped with a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with BB shot, to shoot the drone out of the sky. BB shot falling to earth wouldn't do any damage if it hit anything on the ground.
@loc4725
@loc4725 5 лет назад
That they're not doing this suggests that either they can't or that the real 'problem' is not the same as the one we're being told. Personally I suspect the latter and that commercial interests are involved.
@garyhoffmann1615
@garyhoffmann1615 5 лет назад
At the Commonwealth games here at the Gold Coast recently it was on the local news how the police had special drone guns. The did not give a lot of detail but it appears to have a net that it fired, I don't know any more than that. Surely there is an attack drone that would seek out an invading drone and go after it. Could be fully automated with a net fired out of a canister at its target. Would be a big market for such a devise, airports, government buildings, embassies, sports events, concerts etc.
@maika9739
@maika9739 5 лет назад
I can’t believe why this is causing such a problem for the authorities. There has been anti-drone tech out in the UK since 2016, why has it not been implemented. This incident will just lead to more regulations for the hobbyist and more expense, but it will not stop the idiots that do this sort of thing. It just shows how un-equipped and badly prepared the authorities are... A sad day for the UK model community...
@TonyLing
@TonyLing 5 лет назад
Your cat is nice Bruce, but that circularly polarised antenna in the background is a thing to behold
@drysori
@drysori 5 лет назад
Wow tomatoes in December! LOL, just kidding. Merry Christmas from Arizona.
@sirkildalot8409
@sirkildalot8409 5 лет назад
I saw a ridiculous comment that the result of this is that all drones should be banned. This is ridiculous. If someone is prepared to put lives at risk by flying over a busy commercial airport do you think a ban is going to deter him/her!?
@cvonp
@cvonp 5 лет назад
"...planes in Mexico and Canada have recently survived dangerous collisions with what appeared to be drones" -The New York Times 20/12/18 Not fit to line a birdcage
@sarahbrennan1342
@sarahbrennan1342 5 лет назад
It was a miniature sleigh full of Santa’s elves that got lost... 😀🎅😀
@curiousnomadic
@curiousnomadic 5 лет назад
It's all about societal control in the hyper nanny state the UK has become. "How dare you do something unexpected and spy on something we might be doing hidden from the public eye! We're going to inconvenience 10s of thousands of people just to make you feel terrible for it!" Read the Society of the Spectacle (free online) by Guy Dubord for a more advanced explanation of it.
@paul1962uk
@paul1962uk 5 лет назад
Presumably if they blocked the radio frequency the drone would come down too
@topopops
@topopops 5 лет назад
It wasn’t a drone. It’s be rumoured it was something alien.
@richjfoxone
@richjfoxone 5 лет назад
The problem I think is the area around Gatwick is highly populated, that's one reason they're not blindly shooting them down. If they knock it out the sky it's likely to hit something/someone. I agree though definitely get one up there and follow it to source! This way you can 100% stop that person doing it again, as they're likely to receive a prison sentence. Simply knocking it down is a great quick fix but leaves them open to buying/stealing another and doing it again.
@rcmonster99
@rcmonster99 5 лет назад
Personally I think this helps the argument that regulations will not prevent something like that ...what has been done is already illegal and yet it’s happenings.... also this shows how vulnerable major airports are and I am sure some anti drone tech/procedure will be part of the airport defence procedure
@5zero7RC
@5zero7RC 5 лет назад
I had pretty much the same thought. How hard would it be to get a few drones up there and follow it back to where it comes from? It has to land and either the perpetrator already plans on ditching it somewhere (problem solved) or they will fly back home and get caught. I know chasing one miniquad with another is not easy, but good pilots can do it. Following a drone of this scale can't be that difficult.
@richardkaz2336
@richardkaz2336 5 лет назад
Agree wholeheartedly. But then I wounder is this a stunt to draw attention in the hope to build more animosity against hobbyist, to push to pass more laws. The general public and politicians are pretty stupid because to most a drone, is a drone, is a drone they can't distinguish between a sub 2kg drone and an industrial drone.
@UnbeltedSundew
@UnbeltedSundew 5 лет назад
What ever it is it will inevitably lead them to make more new restrictive, and utterly pointless, laws.
@NoTrail
@NoTrail 5 лет назад
Possibly placed there by the authorities to create bad press to further their cause against drones.
@kenhyden3391
@kenhyden3391 5 лет назад
I thought more or less the same thing use an inexpensive drone or aircraft to knock it down. If it's an industrial model it's going to be expensive and hard to replace quickly. Put a call out to suppliers after to find out who is trying to buy a replacement.
@slebdad
@slebdad 5 лет назад
Bruce, that is an awesome shirt. Karateka from the Commodore 64! Used to play it on the Apple IIc and the 64.
@juliansjames
@juliansjames 5 лет назад
Well said Bruce! I've actually promoted this idea elsewhere. Hopefully the authorities will listen as this could easily happen again before they've put more permanent countermeasures in place.
@audiogek
@audiogek 5 лет назад
That's quick! Can't wait for the 30minute follow-up rant :)
@billburnhope2176
@billburnhope2176 5 лет назад
Did anyone notice how windy it was atGatwick airport yesterday? another doubt to be entered into this spoof carried out by the authorities?
@Fur8002
@Fur8002 5 лет назад
The police here do use drones, the strange thing is that there is no photo or video evidence at all and police helicopters are flying around the airport and can't find anything ????
@donnah5378
@donnah5378 5 лет назад
Good point. They should get a tech savvy teen to show how easily it could be done 👍🏾😜
5 лет назад
They're searching for the drone on horseback, wearing bear fur on their heads. You can't expect anything more of them.
@jibbajabba4597
@jibbajabba4597 5 лет назад
Pașca Alexandru LOL ever seen Benny Hill? That's how they looked this morning aparantly.
@edwardalamo2507
@edwardalamo2507 5 лет назад
@@jibbajabba4597 we miss benny hill
@pauljs75
@pauljs75 5 лет назад
Now watch it be somebody in the government (could be local too) with an ulterior motive. Maybe that's why they're having a hard time tracking it and finding the operator? So maybe the reason the police drone isn't used to chase it is because it *is* the police drone.
@ManorFPV
@ManorFPV 5 лет назад
We are in a paranoid country, with stupid leaders who either don't know or care what the different types of drone are. This is not drone related nothing about any of it is making sense at all. Drones have a finite distance of travel unless it's GPS guided, finding the operator should take this long.
@tonyglasstv2685
@tonyglasstv2685 5 лет назад
As I suggested 'local area' In a statement released in the early hours of Saturday, Sussex police said the arrests were made in Gatwick area just after 10pm on Friday night. (Source The Guardian 6.55 am)
@owencroney2089
@owencroney2089 5 лет назад
There cant be that many industrial drones in the uk, they are all supposed to be registered if they are being used commercially along with their pilot's. Its also pretty straight forward to track the RF signal...they know how to do this already. The whole thing stinks of suspicion. In any case, I'd be fine with this person disappearing into a prison never to be seen or hear of again. If he is flying such a drone then he knows exactly what he is doing and how dangerous it is....total assface!
@Fennecbutt
@Fennecbutt 5 лет назад
"Its also pretty straight forward to track the RF signal" No, it's really not. Tracking any form of RF accurately requires triangulation. At the distances/speeds that's unachievable and wouldn't give an accurate enough location. Airports are notoriously noisy for rf, they can't just run in with a jammer, there's all sorts of regulations etc even when the planes are grounded. It's an airport, not a playground.
@owencroney2089
@owencroney2089 5 лет назад
Ehh it's called a directional antenna.....use a spectral analyzer to find the rouge signal(airport should know what frequencies are theirs) once you know the frequency, (5.8ghz for example) you just use the correctly tuned, 7 turn helical, narrow beam antenna which bruce, aka Xjet showed us how to make yesterday. You basically point the antenna in every direction until you get a signal, then head that direction. This is basic shit most every drone pilot should be expected to know. Aslo, using this method, if you do find a video signal you can just watch and see who walks up to the drone after it lands, you can also use a simple dvr system to record it all, unknown to the culprit. This is comon practice in the drone community for finding lost drones and I've done this many times. If you can't find a video signal then find the radio control signal and use the same method except instead of a video you have a device to tell you signal strength. You just head in the direction of the strongest signal. They use the same method for tracking tagged animals basically. This is nothing new and can be done with very cheap equipment bought in any respectable hobby store....but im guessing your not a drone or RC hobbyist and dont know shit. Dont tell me what I can and cant do with the technology I use everyday, any drone pilots will confirm this is all 100% accurate and true. We make a point of knowing our hobby inside and out so we can deal with ignorance like this.......Owened!
@iforce2d
@iforce2d 5 лет назад
​@@owencroney2089 huh? Who's to say the drone is carrying any kind of transmitter? Like you said, this is basic shit most every drone pilot should know, and it certainly seems like this perpetrator is not a dummy - I wouldn't be surprised if it has a remotely disable-able VTX, if it even has one at all. I mean if he can keep a drone on station for the better part of 12 hours in wet weather, making it radio quiet on demand should be the least of his concerns. Nothing I've heard so far suggests it could not be done with just a one-way radio connection and clicking on a map like Mission Planner etc. Plus, we still don't even know that these drones aren't disposable, and programmed to fly off in random directions as a wild goose chase to finish off their battery - who's to say they go home at the end of the flight in the first place? You assume way too much, good thing you are not running the police eh :)
@iforce2d
@iforce2d 5 лет назад
@@owencroney2089 oh... and I'll assume you were joking about finding the radio control signal. For one thing, these flights could be 100% pre-programmed so there may be no control at all. If there is, it need be only for miilliseconds at a time if using the map-clicking method I mentioned in my last comment. And if for some weird reason there is a full-time control signal, good luck distinguishing that from all the other thousands of legitimate ISM, GSM, UHF traffic, and whatever else the airport itself uses, to locate something that could be up to 4-5 miles away. This is not even remotely comparable to your example of animal trackers, where the tag is purpose built to co-operate, using a plain analog ping with no frequency-hopping or digitized messages. If we followed your recommendation to "just head in the direction of the strongest signal" we would end up at the cell-phone of the guy standing next to us in the departure lounge.... genius :)
@owencroney2089
@owencroney2089 5 лет назад
@@iforce2d hahaha dude! Firstly, all im doing is trying to suggest possible solutions, its just one thing you can try and its quick and easy to do...do you disagree?
@waatthefred6811
@waatthefred6811 5 лет назад
EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING. That or a long range wing up there. Obviously authorities lack the skills we hobbyist have and will resort to other methods to TRY to solve the issue but they simply won't and push for more regulations to say DRONES ARE BAD, which is NOT THE CASE. OUR hobbyist pilots skill sets are more than capable of taking down rogue drones. Just get a whole set of like 8 longrange pilots out there to knock it down
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