Episode 5 from the series The End Is Near? with Skip Heitzig. Watch the complete series: • The End Is Near? This teaching is from the series The End Is Near? with Skip Heitzig from Calvary Church.
Good message! I agree that we are definitely in fearful but exciting times! Lately I have been thinking about the fact that God entrusted me/us to live in this season, and since we know there is a purpose for us being here, why not do what we are called to do, which will standout like someone walking on water, until we are called home! I thank God for allowing me to live in this season. God pour out Your Holy Spirit on us! In Jesus' name. Amen!
Once again, Pastor Nate, a home run with bases loaded. God is blessing you and you are blessing us with your teaching and passion for the Gospel. Thank you!
What does an understanding of the New Covenant do to the Pretrib Rapture doctrine? Since the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20, how is the New Covenant Church age going to end seven years before the Second Coming of Christ? Why would anyone think God is going back to the Old Covenant system now made “obsolete” by the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:13? We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it. The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. "It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view." (The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197.) Tim LaHaye was co-author of the “Left Behind” books and movies which have convinced millions of modern Christians that the Church age ends seven years before the Second Coming of Christ. Recently, Pastor Matt Furse of Mountain View Baptist Church in Custer, S.D. has written a book titled “Which One Is Right?’, which reveals the recent history of the pretrib rapture doctrine, and the fact it does not agree with what is written in the King James Bible. The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected. The Greek words for “wrath” and “tribulation” are not the same word, as proven by the verse below. Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Watch the RU-vid video “Pretribulation Paradox” by former pretrib believer skydiver626.
Looking in context, Matthew 24:40 is talking about the second coming and not the rapture. But I guess this is an understandable mistake, since the idea of one being taken and the other being left will also happen at the rapture. Please consult Bible Hub.
Unfortunately on this particular subject that has divided so many; I think it's very clear you have a misinterpretation of what the scripture says. In the Book of Matthew 24:1 - 25:46 , also known as the Olivet Discourse ...Jesus is directing his sermon to the Jewish people / future program of Israel as the Church had not formed yet. Parallel passages can be referenced in Mark 13:1-37 & Luke 21:5-36.. The Rapture of the 'Church' is mentioned in John 14:1-4, 1 Corinthians 15: 51-52 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. In Revelation 3 : 10, Jesus promises the Church of Philadelphia " I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth". Jesus is promising to remove his faithful before the wrath. The same way He spared Noah, Enoch, The first born Jews in Egypt, and Lot to name a few. In the Book of Revelation the Church is mentioned 19x in the first 3 chapters. Chapters 4-19 the Church is Absent, which is very telling. The Rapture (Harpazo: Original Greek Translation) is not mentioned in the Old Testament, but a (mystery) spoken of by Jesus 1 Corinthians 15: 51-55 . The Rapture is revealed for the first time in the New Testament. The rapture is also imminent, meaning nothing prophetically must be fulfilled prior for the Rapture to occur 1 Corinthians 1:7, 16:22, Philippians 3:20, 4:5, 1 Thessalonians 1:10, Titus 2:13, Hebrews 9:28, 1 Peter 1:13, Jude 21. This is in contrast to the Second Coming of Christ , which is preceded by numerous events that commence during the 7 years of Tribulation. The imminent nature of the Rapture is mentioned in Romans 13:11-12 and James 5: 7-9. The Rapture and Second Coming (Advent) are two different events. Jesus Christ comes FOR His Saints in the Rapture and His feet do Not touch the ground. The saved (dead & alive) will be called up to the sky to join our Savior. The Second Coming Jesus Christ comes WITH His Saints after the conclusion of the 7 year Tribulation and the commencement of the Millennium Period . The 144,000 Jewish people from the 12 Tribes of Judah will have Yahweh's protection during the 7 year tribulation and the Bible is clear that many gentiles & Jews will come to know the Lord during this time of wrath. Post Trib theology holds onto the opinion that John Neil Darby (1800-1882) & Edward Irving (1792 -1834) were the only ones who believed in a pre-trib rapture & that the Church had no understanding of this concept prior. This is not true as many Christians of the past believed in what the Bible Actually says and Not when theories were made. I do find it sad that this topic has become almost militant with both sides . We as Christians should be able to have these types of discussions and stay away from the mud slinging. Regardless we as believers will all end up together regardless. I try not to focus on this and pray for discernment, strength, and faith for the trying times now and what is to come.
Rapture is a modern theory created by John Nelson Darby in the 1830s it spread around the evangelical churches in the US. It got a lot bigger with the books and movies, you are right, not scripture. Some Christians believe they will be beamed up and not suffer persecution which is the big test for Christians. For some reason some Christians believe they won’t have to suffer. If that’s the case why weren’t the Apostles raptured, they were the holiest men in history besides Christ. 2 Timothy :12 says yes,and all those who desire to live a Godly life in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.
Yes I can help you .....The original txt of the Bible was in Greek. The work Rapture is a English word and relatively new. The word used was " HARPAZO" , which the direct translation is "To seize, catch up, snatch away". Harpazo is used 13x in the Bible referring to what we call the Rapture. Unfortunately on this particular subject that has divided so many; I think it's very clear you have a misinterpretation of what the scripture says. In the Book of Matthew 24:1 - 25:46, also known as the Olivet Discourse ...Jesus is directing his sermon to the Jewish people / future program of Israel as the Church had not formed yet. Parallel passages can be referenced in Mark 13:1-37 & Luke 21:5-36.. The Rapture of the 'Church' is mentioned in John 14:1-4, 1 Corinthians 15: 51-52 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. In Revelation 3 : 10, Jesus promises the Church of Philadelphia " I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth". Jesus is promising to remove his faithful before the wrath. The same way He spared Noah, Enoch, The first born Jews in Egypt, and Lot to name a few. In the Book of Revelation the Church is mentioned 19x in the first 3 chapters. Chapters 4-19 the Church is Absent, which is very telling. The Rapture (Harpazo: Original Greek Translation) is not mentioned in the Old Testament, but a (mystery) spoken of by Jesus 1 Corinthians 15: 51-55 . The Rapture is revealed for the first time in the New Testament. The rapture is also imminent, meaning nothing prophetically must be fulfilled prior for the Rapture to occur 1 Corinthians 1:7, 16:22, Philippians 3:20, 4:5, 1 Thessalonians 1:10, Titus 2:13, Hebrews 9:28, 1 Peter 1:13, Jude 21. This is in contrast to the Second Coming of Christ , which is preceded by numerous events that commence during the 7 years of Tribulation. The imminent nature of the Rapture is mentioned in Romans 13:11-12 and James 5: 7-9. The Rapture and Second Coming (Advent) are two different events. Jesus Christ comes FOR His Saints in the Rapture and His feet do Not touch the ground. The saved (dead & alive) will be called up to the sky to join our Savior. The Second Coming Jesus Christ comes WITH His Saints after the conclusion of the 7 year Tribulation and the commencement of the Millennium Period . The 144,000 Jewish people from the 12 Tribes of Judah will have Yahweh's protection during the 7 year tribulation and the Bible is clear that many gentiles & Jews will come to know the Lord during this time of wrath. Post Trib theology holds onto the opinion that John Neil Darby (1800-1882) & Edward Irving (1792 -1834) were the only ones who believed in a pre-trib rapture & that the Church had no understanding of this concept prior. This is not true as many Christians of the past believed in what the Bible Actually says and Not when theories were made. I do find it sad that this topic has become almost militant with both sides . We as Christians should be able to have these types of discussions and stay away from the mud slinging. Regardless we as believers will all end up together regardless. I try not to focus on this and pray for discernment, strength, and faith for the trying times now and what is to come.
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Pastor Skip, Jesus said, any who are witb us cannot be against us. Paul said beware of those who preach any gospol other than he was crucified, was dead, was buried, anx rose from the Lord the Third day and now sits at the right hand of God the Father. Anyone wbo teaches other doctore than this are leading you away from SALVATION
The churches who are focusing on being raptured are not preparing the people to endure persecution. I am not talking about the tribulation. If you are expecting to be raptured and not expecting persecution you will fall away. There will be a falling away before any rapture will happen (2 Thess. 2:3). They fall away because they are deceived preparing themselves only for rapture instead of preparing themselves to endure to the end. Don't be blindsided by unexpected persecution and fall away. (Matthew 13)."...But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended..." I remember hearing people say that when the so called rapture happens that there will be crashing cars and airplanes because some of the drivers and pilots will suddenly be taken away and the cars and planes will crash because there will be no one left to control them. This scenario will not happen and cannot happen because when the church of Philadelphia is translated the people will be assembled in a 24 hour sunset to sunset Trumpets convocation. Just like the 120 were in Acts chapter 2 for the Feast of Weeks. They will not be out and about driving cars and flying airplanes. “Blessed are those servants, whom the Lord when He comes shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.” Some people say that they are watching all the time but they overlook verse 38. “And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.” (Luke 12:37-38). Under normal circumstances people are sound asleep during the second and third watch. Therefore Luke 12 is not talking about watching in a figurative way. The LORD is talking of a literal watch. There are appointed times in the scriptures for us to fulfill a literal watch. In fact, all of the appointed times of holy convocations (moedim) listed in Leviticus 23 are watches and vigils of Yahweh. Each one of them are fulfilled by both an Old Testament and corresponding New Testament historical event. In other words they will be assembled together in a holy convocation and not out and about driving cars and flying airplanes. Like the 120 were assembled in the upper room Acts chapter 2 for the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost). Unfortunately, because of a man-made ecclesiastical calendar many will not be watching at the appointed time. ... ... ...
The Day After the Rapture……. I would like to see someone make this available A few weeks ago our bible study teacher ask the class a question about the day after the rapture. He said if we knew the rapture was going to take place the next day what would we do. Some people said we need to pray more, some said we need to do more soul searching. Others said we need to tell everyone we know what is about to happen. I agree about praying and soul searching but telling other people wouldn’t have an effect since many people don’t believe the bible, Jesus or maybe God. Along with the bible believing Christian adults, most teens, infant babies and the unborn are gone….. the panic will be unbearable. There will chaos in the streets and mass suicide.. just outright massive civil unrest. A few days after that I had an idea. When we disappear we need to put something in our houses in plain sight for people to see and read of just what has happened. When we disappear most of our homes will be locked and vacant. People will break in looking for food, water and anything they can find to survive. By putting a video(s) on a thumb drive or SD card along with printed material both in English and Spanish on what has happened and what is about to happen to the people’s lives that are left behind. It needs to be brief and to the point. People at that time won’t spend a lot of time looking at a long video or going through books describing the rapture. I believe as we get closer to the return of the Lord this could be a life line to the people left. This project could be called “The Day After the Rapture Project”.
I had the same exact thoughts! Dr David Jeremiah's Book " After the Rapture" is literally the perfect book for those left behind. He explains clearly what has has just taken place , what to expect, what NOT to do and a more importantly a guide to salvation for the future Tribulation Saints.
@@Chris.S1111 After the rapture within 30 minutes all Christian websites on the internet will be taken down. That is why it is so important to have information at your house for others to see on a thumb drive or literature.
Yes & no. The wicked will do wickedly. It's Prophetic. Apparently, predestined to Hell (?). I liked your reminding me of the Angels grabbing Lot, escorting him/family out.
Jesus NEVER stole anything. He NEVER robbed. I understand what is meant, but to any unbeliever especially, you're implying Jesus sinned. Jesus NEVER sinned. Please choose your words wisely, especially when talking about Jesus.
Rebuke the devil in these comments! Satan's strategy to keep us divided. Common ground: Jesus was born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, died on a cross for our sins, was raised on the 3rd day, Jesus is risen, Jesus is Lord, Jesus is ONLY Way to heaven, Jesus is returning soon. Can we all agree on this? If not, then what you believe or disbelieve about rapture or no rapture doesn't matter. If we do all believe this then some of us can say, "I told you so" in heaven...though at that point will it even matter? Don't let Satan win by scattering the Lord's sheep into different groups to pick off one by one later. Amen?
Do u know that nowhere in these verses does it tell u WHEN These things will happen? U can't use them to support pre trib rapture, mid trib rapture, Post trib rapture, or my view. I have 5 videos on RU-vid under the title. PT1 the pre wrath rapture and the third coming of Jesus. To find the next video just type in what part your looking for like pt2 pt3 ECT and then type in the rest of the title. U are not being told the truth.
You are so confused brother and I say that because nothing you said above is Biblical can be back up with scripture that is understood in the context it was written. I used to be so lost following the wrong leaders in church. I was Pre- Trib a long time ago because thats what i was told and as a young man in his 20's & 30's , I really didn't care nor did I read the word for myself. In the last few years I started trying to understand eschatology on my own and followed some very misled teachers. It doesn't help that we are in the Apostasy as we speak. There are more false teachers / preachers out there than legit churches. I then jumped on the Post trib theology for awhile. My prayers the last year were for the Holy Spirit to show me the truth and the right Pastors who preach the Gospel the way it was original written and meant for us to Understand. Dr. David Jeremiah, Dr Ron Rhodes, Amir Tsarfati, Jack Hibbs, and Jd Faraq are several that I found to truly open up the old & new testament to me for the first time. First off the rapture ( HARPAZO: original Greek translation in the Bible mentioned 13x times to what the Church in modern times refers to the rapture) Is imminent.... Meaning nothing has to happen prophetically first for the rapture to occur. It can happen at any time. Jesus Christ repeatedly said that His return for the Church would be a surprise. The Lord even went beyond that by saying He would return “as a thief” when believers generally won’t be expecting Him to come for them. “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only” (Matthew 24:36).”Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing” (Matthew 24:42-46 KJV). “Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh” (Matthew 25:13). “And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power”(Acts 1:7). This type of “any-moment” language doesn’t fit a post-trib rapture. If Jesus were prevented from coming until after the battle of Magog, the rise of Antichrist, and the Mark of the Beast, we would have no need to watch for Him before the tribulation. If the Church were required to go through the seven-year tribulation, you would expect the New Testament writers to have warned us to be prepared for trying times. On the contrary, the New Testament writers repeatedly tell the Church to be comforted by the “coming of the Lord” (1 Thes 4:18). The word “comfort” alone strongly implies the rapture will take place before the tribulation. Some anti-imminency folks try to solve the problem they have with the rapture’s any-moment occurrence by redefining it as merely indicating that Christ will return soon. The speed of Christ’s advent is not the issue. If an event is required to take place before the Lord can return, there is no need to remain watchful. If a person should make it through the tribulation until the point when the mid-trib, pre-wrath, and post-trib folks expect the rapture to occur, it would then become possible for the rapture to be classified as “imminent.” However, once you solve the problem of imminency, you create another one regarding the restrictions against knowing the timing of the rapture. Because the duration of the tribulation is already known, post-tribbers have the hardest time dealing with the rapture’s timing. Some of them have tried to suggest that believers who make it through the tribulation will lazily lose track of the nearness of Christ’s second coming. If a Christian has been lucky enough to survive a host of apocalyptic calamities and elude the Antichrist’s secret police for at least 3 1/2 years, I cannot imagine that he would be oblivious to the nearness of the Lord’s return at the 7-year mark. If I were reduced to the point of having to hide in a forest and forage through dead tree bark to find beetles and grubs to sustain myself, I’m certain my every thought would be focused on the Lord’s return.
@@Chris.S1111 we will see who is confused possibly in September when the UN will meet to try an ratify the Abraham peace accords, if they do the seven year period begins
@@Chris.S1111Revelation 20:4-6 John said he saw the great tribulation believer's in the first resurrection, so if the great tribulation believer's must be in the first resurrection how are u getting a resurrection Rapture of any kind at the beginning of the seven year period that doesn't include the great tribulation believer's? Stop lying to yourself about a pre trib rapture. Did u see this? Waiting on a Bible response I will take your silence as an answer that u know u are wrong. As long as the response u wrote me it's the only conclusion I can come to that your like all the rest of the pre tribbers u talk a good game, but when it comes down to scripture to back your beliefs your all talk.
U know there will be a rapture, but u don't understand what your reading, I hate that we are so divided on the book of Revelation, but it must be so. People think Jesus wouldn't put us the church, through the great tribulation period, but this is the same Jesus that said, if they persecuted me they will persecute u, so as he was treated, so will we be treated the same.
Unfortunately on this particular subject that has divided so many; I think it's very clear you have a misinterpretation of what the scripture says. In the Book of Matthew 24:1 - 25:46 , also known as the Olivet Discourse ...Jesus is directing his sermon to the Jewish people / future program of Israel as the Church had not formed yet. Parallel passages can be referenced in Mark 13:1-37 & Luke 21:5-36.. The Rapture of the 'Church' is mentioned in John 14:1-4, 1 Corinthians 15: 51-52 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. In Revelation 3 : 10, Jesus promises the Church of Philadelphia " I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth". Jesus is promising to remove his faithful before the wrath. The same way He spared Noah, Enoch, The first born Jews in Egypt, and Lot to name a few. In the Book of Revelation the Church is mentioned 19x in the first 3 chapters. Chapters 4-19 the Church is Absent, which is very telling. The Rapture (Harpazo: Original Greek Translation) is not mentioned in the Old Testament, but a (mystery) spoken of by Jesus 1 Corinthians 15: 51-55 . The Rapture is revealed for the first time in the New Testament. The rapture is also imminent, meaning nothing prophetically must be fulfilled prior for the Rapture to occur 1 Corinthians 1:7, 16:22, Philippians 3:20, 4:5, 1 Thessalonians 1:10, Titus 2:13, Hebrews 9:28, 1 Peter 1:13, Jude 21. This is in contrast to the Second Coming of Christ , which is preceded by numerous events that commence during the 7 years of Tribulation. The imminent nature of the Rapture is mentioned in Romans 13:11-12 and James 5: 7-9. The Rapture and Second Coming (Advent) are two different events. Jesus Christ comes FOR His Saints in the Rapture and His feet do Not touch the ground. The saved (dead & alive) will be called up to the sky to join our Savior. The Second Coming Jesus Christ comes WITH His Saints after the conclusion of the 7 year Tribulation and the commencement of the Millennium Period . The 144,000 Jewish people from the 12 Tribes of Judah will have Yahweh's protection during the 7 year tribulation and the Bible is clear that many gentiles & Jews will come to know the Lord during this time of wrath. Post Trib theology holds onto the opinion that John Neil Darby (1800-1882) & Edward Irving (1792 -1834) were the only ones who believed in a pre-trib rapture & that the Church had no understanding of this concept prior. This is not true as many Christians of the past believed in what the Bible Actually says and Not when theories were made. I do find it sad that this topic has become almost militant with both sides . We as Christians should be able to have these types of discussions and stay away from the mud slinging. Regardless we as believers will all end up together regardless. I try not to focus on this and pray for discernment, strength, and faith for the trying times now and what is to come.
@@williamverdell8856the way I see it brother we are on the same team and worship the one and only God . For me it's not about who's wrong or right , only that we have salvation & are prepared to be persecuted regardless of whether or not we are raptured before or after .
@@Chris.S1111 Revelation 22:18-19 yes but it becomes a salvation issue for anyone who teaches the book of Revelation, so if he is wrong, and doesn't correct his teaching he can possibly lose his salvation for teaching Revelation wrong
God's wrath doesn't happen during the seven year period. It may take a couple of books to explain, but Jeremiah 25 the whole chapter, and Daniel 9:1-2 Daniel 9:24 and Daniel 9:27 along with Revelation chapters 13 thru 16 and revelation chapter 6:12-17 all the way to Revelation chapter 11:15-19 prove that the wrath of God, which is the bowls of Revelation chapter 16 and the trumpets of Revelation chapters 8 thru 11 which is the wrath of the Lamb, BOTH happen after the seven year period is over. I go into great detail in my 5 videos on RU-vid under the title. PT1 the pre wrath rapture and the third coming of Jesus. To find the next video just type in what part your looking for like pt2 pt3 ECT and then type in the rest of the title. U need to understand why views differ from yours, and what scriptures they use to prove their point.
Unfortunately on this particular subject that has divided so many; I think it's very clear you have a misinterpretation of what the scripture says. In the Book of Matthew 24:1 - 25:46, also known as the Olivet Discourse ...Jesus is directing his sermon to the Jewish people / future program of Israel as the Church had not formed yet. Parallel passages can be referenced in Mark 13:1-37 & Luke 21:5-36.. The Rapture of the 'Church' is mentioned in John 14:1-4, 1 Corinthians 15: 51-52 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. In Revelation 3 : 10, Jesus promises the Church of Philadelphia " I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth". Jesus is promising to remove his faithful before the wrath. The same way He spared Noah, Enoch, The first born Jews in Egypt, and Lot to name a few. In the Book of Revelation the Church is mentioned 19x in the first 3 chapters. Chapters 4-19 the Church is Absent, which is very telling. The Rapture (Harpazo: Original Greek Translation) is not mentioned in the Old Testament, but a (mystery) spoken of by Jesus 1 Corinthians 15: 51-55 . The Rapture is revealed for the first time in the New Testament. The rapture is also imminent, meaning nothing prophetically must be fulfilled prior for the Rapture to occur 1 Corinthians 1:7, 16:22, Philippians 3:20, 4:5, 1 Thessalonians 1:10, Titus 2:13, Hebrews 9:28, 1 Peter 1:13, Jude 21. This is in contrast to the Second Coming of Christ , which is preceded by numerous events that commence during the 7 years of Tribulation. The imminent nature of the Rapture is mentioned in Romans 13:11-12 and James 5: 7-9. The Rapture and Second Coming (Advent) are two different events. Jesus Christ comes FOR His Saints in the Rapture and His feet do Not touch the ground. The saved (dead & alive) will be called up to the sky to join our Savior. The Second Coming Jesus Christ comes WITH His Saints after the conclusion of the 7 year Tribulation and the commencement of the Millennium Period . The 144,000 Jewish people from the 12 Tribes of Judah will have Yahweh's protection during the 7 year tribulation and the Bible is clear that many gentiles & Jews will come to know the Lord during this time of wrath. Post Trib theology holds onto the opinion that John Neil Darby (1800-1882) & Edward Irving (1792 -1834) were the only ones who believed in a pre-trib rapture & that the Church had no understanding of this concept prior. This is not true as many Christians of the past believed in what the Bible Actually says and Not when theories were made. I do find it sad that this topic has become almost militant with both sides . We as Christians should be able to have these types of discussions and stay away from the mud slinging. Regardless we as believers will all end up together regardless. I try not to focus on this and pray for discernment, strength, and faith for the trying times now and what is to come.
Yall are so confused and I say that because nothing you said above can be back up with scripture that is understood in the context it was written. I used to be so lost following the wrong leaders in church. I was Pre- Trib a long time ago because thats what i was told and as a young man in his 20's & 30's , I really didn't care nor did I read the word for myself. In the last few years I started trying to understand eschatology on my own and followed some very misled teachers. It doesn't help that we are in the Apostasy as we speak. There are more false teachers / preachers out there than legit churches. I then jumped on the Post trib theology for awhile. My prayers the last year were for the Holy Spirit to show me the truth and the right Pastors who preach the Gospel the way it was originally written and meant for us to Understand. Dr. David Jeremiah, Dr Ron Rhodes, Amir Tsarfati, Jack Hibbs, and Jd Faraq are several that I found to truly open up the old & new testament to me for the first time. First off the rapture ( HARPAZO: original Greek translation in the Bible mentioned 13x times to what the Church in modern times refers to the rapture) Is imminent.... Meaning nothing has to happen prophetically first for the rapture to occur. It can happen at any time. Jesus Christ repeatedly said that His return for the Church would be a surprise. The Lord even went beyond that by saying He would return “as a thief” when believers generally won’t be expecting Him to come for them. “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only” (Matthew 24:36).”Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing” (Matthew 24:42-46 KJV). “Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh” (Matthew 25:13). “And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power”(Acts 1:7). This type of “any-moment” language doesn’t fit a post-trib rapture. If Jesus were prevented from coming until after the battle of Magog, the rise of Antichrist, and the Mark of the Beast, we would have no need to watch for Him before the tribulation. If the Church were required to go through the seven-year tribulation, you would expect the New Testament writers to have warned us to be prepared for trying times. On the contrary, the New Testament writers repeatedly tell the Church to be comforted by the “coming of the Lord” (1 Thes 4:18). The word “comfort” alone strongly implies the rapture will take place before the tribulation. Some anti-imminency folks try to solve the problem they have with the rapture’s any-moment occurrence by redefining it as merely indicating that Christ will return soon. The speed of Christ’s advent is not the issue. If an event is required to take place before the Lord can return, there is no need to remain watchful. If a person should make it through the tribulation until the point when the mid-trib, pre-wrath, and post-trib folks expect the rapture to occur, it would then become possible for the rapture to be classified as “imminent.” However, once you solve the problem of imminency, you create another one regarding the restrictions against knowing the timing of the rapture. Because the duration of the tribulation is already known, post-tribbers have the hardest time dealing with the rapture’s timing. Some of them have tried to suggest that believers who make it through the tribulation will lazily lose track of the nearness of Christ’s second coming. If a Christian has been lucky enough to survive a host of apocalyptic calamities and elude the Antichrist’s secret police for at least 3 1/2 years, I cannot imagine that he would be oblivious to the nearness of the Lord’s return at the 7-year mark. If I were reduced to the point of having to hide in a forest and forage through dead tree bark to find beetles and grubs to sustain myself, I’m certain my every thought would be focused on the Lord’s return.
Unfortunately on this particular subject that has divided so many; I think it's very clear you have a misinterpretation of what the scripture says. In the Book of Matthew 24:1 - 25:46 , also known as the Olivet Discourse ...Jesus is directing his sermon to the Jewish people / future program of Israel as the Church had not formed yet. Parallel passages can be referenced in Mark 13:1-37 & Luke 21:5-36.. The Rapture of the 'Church' is mentioned in John 14:1-4, 1 Corinthians 15: 51-52 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. In Revelation 3 : 10, Jesus promises the Church of Philadelphia " I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth". Jesus is promising to remove his faithful before the wrath. The same way He spared Noah, Enoch, The first born Jews in Egypt, and Lot to name a few. In the Book of Revelation the Church is mentioned 19x in the first 3 chapters. Chapters 4-19 the Church is Absent, which is very telling. The Rapture (Harpazo: Original Greek Translation) is not mentioned in the Old Testament, but a (mystery) spoken of by Jesus 1 Corinthians 15: 51-55 . The Rapture is revealed for the first time in the New Testament. The rapture is also imminent, meaning nothing prophetically must be fulfilled prior for the Rapture to occur 1 Corinthians 1:7, 16:22, Philippians 3:20, 4:5, 1 Thessalonians 1:10, Titus 2:13, Hebrews 9:28, 1 Peter 1:13, Jude 21. This is in contrast to the Second Coming of Christ , which is preceded by numerous events that commence during the 7 years of Tribulation. The imminent nature of the Rapture is mentioned in Romans 13:11-12 and James 5: 7-9. The Rapture and Second Coming (Advent) are two different events. Jesus Christ comes FOR His Saints in the Rapture and His feet do Not touch the ground. The saved (dead & alive) will be called up to the sky to join our Savior. The Second Coming Jesus Christ comes WITH His Saints after the conclusion of the 7 year Tribulation and the commencement of the Millennium Period . The 144,000 Jewish people from the 12 Tribes of Judah will have Yahweh's protection during the 7 year tribulation and the Bible is clear that many gentiles & Jews will come to know the Lord during this time of wrath. Post Trib theology holds onto the opinion that John Neil Darby (1800-1882) & Edward Irving (1792 -1834) were the only ones who believed in a pre-trib rapture & that the Church had no understanding of this concept prior. This is not true as many Christians of the past believed in what the Bible Actually says and Not when theories were made. I do find it sad that this topic has become almost militant with both sides . We as Christians should be able to have these types of discussions and stay away from the mud slinging. Regardless we as believers will all end up together regardless. I try not to focus on this and pray for discernment, strength, and faith for the trying times now and what is to come.
Alot of my millennial and gen z friends are abandoning pre mill and going to a mill and post mill. I think the pre mill crowd has not done a very good job of defending their stance on why they think pre trib pre millennialist is the most biblical eschatology.
Please remember these abominations that are before God Almight. Please beware of verse 19. Jesus said if they are not against us are not against us. Proverbs 6:16-19 King James Version 16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
I, like many on this channel, believed Rapture could occur at anytime. But when you do an in depth study of the scriptures concerning this topic (by the Holy Spirit, the Teacher), you will discover that that is not true. The rapture cannot come at anytime. Rather it is an event that occurs after a key event comes first...when those of "the church" are corrected and receive the true gospel when the Latter Rain (second outpouring of the Holy Spirit) falls. It needs to be understood that the reason the end times began is because of the church came to the full (a mindset) to believe another gospel, having turned it into another, which is not another, and deceives many to think they are something they are not...rapture ready. Also, scripture does not teach tribulation is seven years, but are days in length. Tribulation is what occurs within a seven-year period of time called the latter days; a seven -year period that lies on the latter times timeline, the end times. Scripture (KJV) teaches three timelines: the time past, the last days, and the latter times (end times). On the latter timeline lies a 7-yr period called the latter days. Within the latter days a myriad of things shall take place: the Latter Rain, worldwide evangelism, tribulation (first of two), rapture, great tribulation (second of two)/Ezekiel's War, and His wrath, which is reserved for the ungodly and the disobedient children. Lastly, scripture proves the latter timeline (end times) began at sunset of Sept. 29/30, 2008 Tishri 1, for that is when the church came to the full to believe another gospel to become an apostate church, and then fourteen years later, the latter days (7-yr period) began at sunset of Sept. 25/26, 2022 Tishri 1 and ends at sunset of Sept. 09, 2029 Elul 29. Before Rapture, a time of correction is coming to the church, for it came to the full to believe another gospel that deceives many to think they are something they are not, rapture ready.
Unfortunately on this particular subject that has divided so many; I think it's very clear you have a misinterpretation of what the scripture says. In the Book of Matthew 24:1 - 25:46 , also known as the Olivet Discourse ...Jesus is directing his sermon to the Jewish people / future program of Israel as the Church had not formed yet. Parallel passages can be referenced in Mark 13:1-37 & Luke 21:5-36.. The Rapture of the 'Church' is mentioned in John 14:1-4, 1 Corinthians 15: 51-52 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. In Revelation 3 : 10, Jesus promises the Church of Philadelphia " I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth". Jesus is promising to remove his faithful before the wrath. The same way He spared Noah, Enoch, The first born Jews in Egypt, and Lot to name a few. In the Book of Revelation the Church is mentioned 19x in the first 3 chapters. Chapters 4-19 the Church is Absent, which is very telling. The Rapture (Harpazo: Original Greek Translation) is not mentioned in the Old Testament, but a (mystery) spoken of by Jesus 1 Corinthians 15: 51-55 . The Rapture is revealed for the first time in the New Testament. The rapture is also imminent, meaning nothing prophetically must be fulfilled prior for the Rapture to occur 1 Corinthians 1:7, 16:22, Philippians 3:20, 4:5, 1 Thessalonians 1:10, Titus 2:13, Hebrews 9:28, 1 Peter 1:13, Jude 21. This is in contrast to the Second Coming of Christ , which is preceded by numerous events that commence during the 7 years of Tribulation. The imminent nature of the Rapture is mentioned in Romans 13:11-12 and James 5: 7-9. The Rapture and Second Coming (Advent) are two different events. Jesus Christ comes FOR His Saints in the Rapture and His feet do Not touch the ground. The saved (dead & alive) will be called up to the sky to join our Savior. The Second Coming Jesus Christ comes WITH His Saints after the conclusion of the 7 year Tribulation and the commencement of the Millennium Period . The 144,000 Jewish people from the 12 Tribes of Judah will have Yahweh's protection during the 7 year tribulation and the Bible is clear that many gentiles & Jews will come to know the Lord during this time of wrath. Post Trib theology holds onto the opinion that John Neil Darby (1800-1882) & Edward Irving (1792 -1834) were the only ones who believed in a pre-trib rapture & that the Church had no understanding of this concept prior. This is not true as many Christians of the past believed in what the Bible Actually says and Not when theories were made. I do find it sad that this topic has become almost militant with both sides . We as Christians should be able to have these types of discussions and stay away from the mud slinging. Regardless we as believers will all end up together regardless. I try not to focus on this and pray for discernment, strength, and faith for the trying times now and what is to come.
You are so confused brother and I say that because nothing you said above is Biblical can be back up with scripture that is understood in the context it was written. I used to be so lost following the wrong leaders in church. I was Pre- Trib a long time ago because thats what i was told and as a young man in his 20's & 30's , I really didn't care nor did I read the word for myself. In the last few years I started trying to understand eschatology on my own and followed some very misled teachers. It doesn't help that we are in the Apostasy as we speak. There are more false teachers / preachers out there than legit churches. I then jumped on the Post trib theology for awhile. My prayers the last year were for the Holy Spirit to show me the truth and the right Pastors who preach the Gospel the way it was original written and meant for us to Understand. Dr. David Jeremiah, Dr Ron Rhodes, Amir Tsarfati, Jack Hibbs, and Jd Faraq are several that I found to truly open up the old & new testament to me for the first time. First off the rapture ( HARPAZO: original Greek translation in the Bible mentioned 13x times to what the Church in modern times refers to the rapture) Is imminent.... Meaning nothing has to happen prophetically first for the rapture to occur. It can happen at any time. Jesus Christ repeatedly said that His return for the Church would be a surprise. The Lord even went beyond that by saying He would return “as a thief” when believers generally won’t be expecting Him to come for them. “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only” (Matthew 24:36).”Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing” (Matthew 24:42-46 KJV). “Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh” (Matthew 25:13). “And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power”(Acts 1:7). This type of “any-moment” language doesn’t fit a post-trib rapture. If Jesus were prevented from coming until after the battle of Magog, the rise of Antichrist, and the Mark of the Beast, we would have no need to watch for Him before the tribulation. If the Church were required to go through the seven-year tribulation, you would expect the New Testament writers to have warned us to be prepared for trying times. On the contrary, the New Testament writers repeatedly tell the Church to be comforted by the “coming of the Lord” (1 Thes 4:18). The word “comfort” alone strongly implies the rapture will take place before the tribulation. Some anti-imminency folks try to solve the problem they have with the rapture’s any-moment occurrence by redefining it as merely indicating that Christ will return soon. The speed of Christ’s advent is not the issue. If an event is required to take place before the Lord can return, there is no need to remain watchful. If a person should make it through the tribulation until the point when the mid-trib, pre-wrath, and post-trib folks expect the rapture to occur, it would then become possible for the rapture to be classified as “imminent.” However, once you solve the problem of imminency, you create another one regarding the restrictions against knowing the timing of the rapture. Because the duration of the tribulation is already known, post-tribbers have the hardest time dealing with the rapture’s timing. Some of them have tried to suggest that believers who make it through the tribulation will lazily lose track of the nearness of Christ’s second coming. If a Christian has been lucky enough to survive a host of apocalyptic calamities and elude the Antichrist’s secret police for at least 3 1/2 years, I cannot imagine that he would be oblivious to the nearness of the Lord’s return at the 7-year mark. If I were reduced to the point of having to hide in a forest and forage through dead tree bark to find beetles and grubs to sustain myself, I’m certain my every thought would be focused on the Lord’s return.
