[RARE ATC] INCOMPETENT PILOT DRIVES ATC CRAZY!!! 

They should call in his flight instructor and play this tape for him.

Rata 4U that’s the smartest dumb thing I’ve heard recently

Yeah, how the hell did that pilot pass his check ride and stuff?!

In my opinion, as a civilian, that pilot is not ready to fly. I also think that flying is not only about the pilots ability to steer the plane, but also to be able to communicate properly. What would of happen if, let's say, equipment malfunctioned, for instance, GPS?

He might be getting a call from the destination's controller, haha. - "Why did you send me this PITA??"

I wish so badly that had happened. They both seemed like very nice guys so I wonder how the pilot would've reacted.

lol

🤷🏿‍♂

hes down in spruce creek waiting on me over....does this thing have enough fuel to get there nonstop...over?

@@johnbaxster8010 The atc I feel sorry for is in the control centers between the departure and arrival points. This was just the clearance. The actual flying part will be much harder.

Over.

Jacob, It could have been worse, he could have said "...sssh, Over."

The best part is he ended the sentence with ”over”, and then continued 😂

@@albovell could have said over, roger and Wilco.

a few times the over came before he was done talking

@N578MD STOP

TKI is my home airport and I can confirm that I have never seen him so who knows

N530JP : "Is my readback correct ?" ATC : "wait there"

He actually gave up flying and owns the diner at the airport now. photos-e1.flightcdn.com/photos/retriever/47e97591507257d1d9e6097591762b68feae1a28

The fact this guy has an intrument rating is insane

And the poor, patient controller's sigh in response. It spoke more than the whole conversation.

@@AmyAnnLand Because he knew he was going to have to go over new departure instructions several times.

As if he was trolling them.

so did the controller...

This was the moment when I lost it 😂

Fubar AlAkbar so-lo........had me laughing

He should have saved atc some frustration and departed the equipment before he tried to get clearance to taxi.

i watched my engine take off without me, i wonder if it'll ever come back for me? OVER

To be fair, it did easily sound like Equipment and maybe ATC should have done phonetic on that name. Pilot eventually must have seen it on his chart.

As soon as I saw "Quitman" on the captions I just knew it was about to get really messy lol

.... BEST COMMENT....

Hilarious!

“What’s your vector, Victor?”

Flying solo to soldo in slo-mo

gvc76 “we have clearance, Clarence.”

lickmen?

thats funny, over

Did she include the equiptment departure? Over

Yeah, I know for myself when I fly, I would write everything down as much as I can. So that if I miss anything, I can go back and verify. After all, that's what the readback is about, too.

yup yup. She got it all. Over.

Crying at this comment

Lol

Classic comment 👍👍

"Departure clearance cancelled please taxi to the GA Apron, I have the number of a flight school I want you to call to get your pilot license"

Copy that, WillCo… over.

@The Boeing Kid :)

Ya'now what? Will give ya a private frequency to do the call, as you seem to be able to remember frequencies! Over!

"Uhhh Tower 5 3 0 Juniper Poptart....change of plans...can I just yeet it off taxiway bravo....fly the 3000 radial for the Equipment Departure. Expect Han Solo niner minutes after departure. Over and out Juniper Poptart"

@@geraldmartsy2165 I'm sitting here reading your comment and actually crying tears of laughter. Thank you. Juniper Poptart, Over.

You mean he had a whale of a patience.

If he were in San Juan he would have been torn to pieces😂.

Maybe it does in whatever parallel universe this guys head was in when he should have been listening to the instructions.

If you take 300 and add another zero it does XD

if it belongs to Chuck Norris it does #crapchucknorrisjokes

It's 120 degrees after an 8-fold shuriken maneuver.

@M. Katze It's the new math.

The "Idiot In The Air" episode?

He definitely went above and beyond what I would expect. My guess is this wasn't a very busy airport as I wouldn't expect the ATC to take that much time with a pilot that was clearly having trouble with the basics of getting underway.

Nailed it!👍🏿

Sounded like his hearing was the problem! Soldo and Quitman had him thrown.

Agreed. One of the good guys, for sure.

The ATC dude is literally doing an whole IFR course for this idiot of a pilot LOL

I wondered, how he got his Aeronautical Flight Radio Certificate in the 1st place.

There is no radio operators license required for domestic US flights

He said So-lo then he said HAN SOLO! 3:52-57

(face palm)... no that's not right

I caught that hans solo myself, I guess he was watching star wars the night before.

You don't know how hard I looked for errors in your spelling.

well, he's liviing up to his name.....rare occurrence :D

I heard "from so-lo"

I find it more likely that the 'Han' part was simply a memory aid he was using to recall information.

+Erynn Collier Good observation, personally I think pen and paper are a bit better memory aid :d

Indeed.

I felt that the Controller was excellent, he didn't show sarcasm or get grumpy as the New Yorker ATC always seem to do However, having said that,Air Traffic Control is the poor man of aviation, shortage of staff, long hours, poor pay and yet everyone grumbles, the airline business is cut throat, money before anything else, time is money, hence the rush for clearences.Airline Pilots,especially the cheaper Airlines push their crews to maximum hours, take risks, and one aspect alone is the burn up of fuel whilst hanging around the hard standing,waiting for a push back, all told Airline operation and its affiliate controls are highly complex and the layman has no chance of ever understanding what really happens in the business. I would hope that people take sympathy and empathy with these guys, whose woraday task is somewhat tougher than managing a business or serving drinks.

Terry Offord it's a shame in a the early years of your career in the aviation the pay and hours are usually considerably poor.

Terry Offord is it really the case in the us? in europe atc personnel are payed very, very well.

Amen to that!

why not tell him to call this phone number for pizza so he takes off with some food? (um, not that number).

Sir, I have a number for you to call... uhh I think its your wife.

He doesn't even know how to use the radio, over.

@Rata 4U Roger that, over.

He’s a great orthopedic surgeon though

Other comments I have read have said that they indeed could have but that that particular controller is beyond patient and used to new flyers asking questions (commenter apparently flies out of airport and knows that ATC controller)

Kennedy Steve would have

They don’t have to issue him a clearance or allow him to taxi, or clear him to takeoff. So yes lol

yes, but then they have to deal with him on the ground.

@@Mostlyharmless1985 Dealing with an idiot on the ground is better than dealing with a hazard in the air.

Lol. That's what you get when you put a 'Bucket' in a plane...

@Tmanaz480 Very good!

@@Ayeshteni it’s bouquet.

Best use of a “Keeping Up Appearances” quote ever 😂

Ohhh Daddy! Still bravely facing the Luftwaffe after all these years!

Sounds about right

Here is what happens when a conversation like this takes place in the air: The supervisor stands behind the controller. If the pilot asks for a change, like a direct routing, the answer will be "Unable at this time." It's also possible that this was a training flight. In that case, if the CFII was earning her money, she would sit quietly, prepared to save the day if there was true danger. This guy was still on the ground. There was no immediate danger. Incipient danger, but none yet realized.

Robert Hadow Not to mention, better to sort it out on the ground. All these people shitting on him isn’t encouraging anyone else unsure of what they’re doing, and much better to admit that then pretend. Especially if it was training that makes sense, except then he certainly should have had a notepad out and had no problem at least copying it. I guess the quitman thing knocked him off, but why not just ask for a spelling? Still, I guess you gotta learn somehow..

LOL you're right!

Pretty sure training flights dont go across 5 states

Perhaps he was looking for a grass strip but couldn't find one.

No. Winds were VARIABLE and i guess it was at 4kts when he said it. So that IS doable. I took off with an airplane behind me departing the opposite direction once in similar conditions + when the traffic was really heavy at the hold short points. Excuse my English.

Not that big of a deal. The SID is flyable with the opposite runway

@@AbdulazizAlmawash Did they get rid of that departure there? I can't find it anymore

@@Matt-ox2qc from your previous comment i’m assuming you’re talking instrument stuff, we were all flying VFR (student pilots)

@@Matt-ox2qc and before you get confused i was talking in general + my experience at KSLN airport, not the one in the video

I agree. Rule number one LISTEN AND WRITE THEN READ BACK Greetings

Ahem. I would also suggest knowing how to do it without your GPS (Provided you have the right Quitman... errr, equipment).

The ATC is also wrong!! He gave instructions that were too long!! Instructions like that must be given in a paused way.

+pgraquel I actually disagree... The onus is on the pilot to be paying attention and to be ready. The controller was very, very patient with someone who was obviously not prepared for his flight.

I would do that, even for VFR.

This one cracked me up, over

Lmfao, I laughed for 5 minutes straight reading this comment. Best laugh Ive had in months

Literally play VATSIM or MFS for a few weeks and you'll be nailing it irl lmao this guy is pathetic

He would be shocked to learn you don’t need an airplane to practice writing down clearances 😅

I wanted to be a commercial pilot but this is one of the things that scares me off with being one. Following instructions while flying from ATC scares me lol. Ive been trying to practice and I couldn’t understand what you guys were saying 😢

Something else indeed. I have never flown an IFR route, yet I could understand perfectly what the instructions were. This guy clearly thought he was a hotshot and could recite the clearance from memory and failed. Write it down! I would not have let him take off until he read back correctly - as I had to do as a VFR pilot. I should look up the tail number to see if he made his destination and how many problems he created on the way. Oh yeah. The change to 18... priceless.

then you could have just taken off with no declared route?

That would be an equipment departure

Sounds like he's not instrument rated at all. Who keeps saying "over" on the radio after completing IR training?

***** Exactly. It's all very dodgy... unless it's a fake.

Ive heard before theres a great deal of pilots operating IFR and IFR procedures without the IFR rating as in its common but because ATC has no way to check pilot ratings or equipment its never questioned

111himan One thing is to use a radial every now and then or get too close to IMC, and a whole different one is to change to IFR in flight or even request an IFR approach. A non instrument rated pilot should not do any of those things, but especially the second one, as the workload will just be too much for him.

I’ve never figured out why ATC, under conditions like these, doesn’t ask these pilots if they’re rated IFR.

His instructor probably should spend some more time with him.

That and he's certified to kill himself in IMC. That's the kicker.

Niko's Wings or just file "No DP"

Zachary W or he's just new and nervous. I get it's a big thing to be judgmental and self-righteous. I take a "I hope that's never me" kind of approach. So many people never consider how difficult it can be at times when you're at a new airport. I've flown at airports across the country from Reid-Hillview (SFO / SJC) to Van Nuys (LAX) to Addison (DFW TX) to Oshkosh and Appleton WI. All different and all of them have some "local knowledge" truly required to not sound like an idiot. For example when you're flying out of RHV you have to know that if you're taking someone on the "Bay Tour" that they're going to want you to cross SJC (Mineta) over the center of the runway or that at VNY you're not only going to be under the umbrella and not turning before the treatment facility but also that heading east to the practice area between the "mountains", or if you're up in Napa you're going to be pretty much free as long as you don't interrupt the winery tours, or that in Addison you'll be vectored out and in (even VFR) by tower since they fly departures out at one altitude and arrivals at a different one, but not VFR standard because they don't care about ONE mnemonic. So let's all take a step back and realize we aren't perfect and maybe he was just having a crappy day.

No. The point is he's CERTIFIED to file IFR. That means approaches to minimums, navigation solely by instruments, etc. That's a big deal. The point is it's apparent he doesn't understand the system he is using. I'm an airline pilot based in DFW. I semi-regularly experience a new airport, but the system I'm using is the same everywhere with minor nuances. I understand the structure, and I understood the structure the day my instructor endorsed me to take my instrument ride 10 years ago. This guy doesn't have a plate handy. He took no time going over the DPs before he filed GPS Direct. He learned the hard way that GPS Direct isn't a given in a busy terminal area. I want to reiterate: This guy is certified to fly unknowing passengers into inclement weather and doesn't grasp the idea of a very, very simple SID. It doesn't take local knowledge to open the charts and glance at the DPs of the airport you're departing.

+deltavee2 Nope...but it IS just northeast of DFW airport an Dallas love field...so it's comforting to know that a clown like this is flying around the corridor full of arriving passenger jets into the DFW area.

hahahahahh fly runway heading to 3000 expect vector brain fart direct closest eval center final clearance approved.

I got the impression he was just elderly, and doesn't fly much. I don't even understand how he's current, what with his predilection for saying "over", along with so many of his other shortcomings.

@@HalfShelli not that far fetched to think he doesn't have a license

That’s not his job

+Techy Las After more than 5 hours on his Mooney... they reached destination :S

+VASAviation - Keep up the great vids I love them :)

Techy Las Thanks a lot for your words! I definitely will!! :D

Hahahaha!!!!!

oh my goodness this comment made me bust out laughing

That probably wouldn't have had the departure procedure though. He really needed to have that in front of him.

Sounds like he was planning on using Google maps, seriously.

If you're ready and prepared, you shouldn't have any problems! :)

Thats the problem is he did not know. This is a non issue to a properly trained pilot and all this covered in training. This guy I can bet was faking being IFR trained or hasn't done it in decades.

^ exactly

I feel the same way. I've always wanted to learn how to fly and took a few lessons in the past, but this seems super complicated. And why does everything need to be done via audio. Arent there newer systems that can transmit the necessary coordinates digitally? I watched one video of a Saudi pilot who literally needed to be told a 4 digit number 10 times before he got it right. Its kinda disconcerting.

This is for an instrument departure procedure.. private pilots wouldn't get a clearance like this unless it was under certain circumstances, even then it wouldn't be like this. If the pilot in the video used the acronym CRAFT, for : clearance limit, routing, altitude , frequency, transponder (code) then it would of made that radio call a lot easier

He should have checked the charts

My CFI was a ex Navy Combat Pilot, and he taught me well. I hate to think waht he would do with a guy like this...

+Francisco Figueroa Mckinney is just northeast of DFW and Love field - quite a few commercial operations in that airspace

That's just what I was thinking. The atc handling this guy had to be the nicest, most patient atc I've every experienced. I doubt this pilot had an instrument rating. Even so, he had an awfully sweet ride.

for sure!

He'd be grounded at JFK for that kinda radio misunderstanding until they sorted it out

I would just LOVE to hear this guy get his clearance from JFK Steve. Except I LOVE listening to JFK Steve and he would literally have a stroke with this one!

I just heard that 🤣😂

Perhaps the fact that you had the ATC transcript and correct departure chart with the route highlighted in red served in front of you had something to do with that.. But by all means, continue patting yourself on the back...

i dont think he got the ISS frequency right.

"N530JP, I'll take the bus instead"

@@jeanmarco40over

I was wondering that. Why not just go VFR and deal with it later. It doesn't look like anything he couldn't navigate himself from on the ground, doesn't seem like a busy airport either. Some simplified directions might of helped as well, it's great that he's getting the info from the tower but without a chart it's all Chinese to him

A little late but you’re not required to fly a SID. When you file, you can put “no sids” in the remarks

Putting "no SID" on an IFR flight plan is not going to make much difference. You will still get the SID, but instead of assinging the name of the SID, they will read the whole departure procedure in words which makes it unnecessarily lengthy and clogs up the frequency. If you are not willing to fly a SID, just for VFR.

We all can read lol

Well said, it goes in to all aspects of the flight too, especially if he's planning to land and ATC changes his route, no telling what could happen or be misunderstood, I think they should have kept him grounded till someone spoke to him on the phone or something and verified what he was really asking for

you assume an alternate was required...that might not be the case.

coma13794 it’s required for instrument flight planning to have enough fuel to reach an alternate and 45 minutes of reserve in daylight hours I believe. I think it goes to an hour after sunset.

@@bigblue207 No. An alternate is not required if the airport of first intended landing has an instrument approach procedure, and the weather forcast at the destination between 1 hour before and 1 hour after the ETA is better than 2000 ft celling and 3 status miles of visibility. Just took my instrument knowledge test today.

@@danninglu8443 Genuinely curious, what if the destination airport has a crash and needs to close all runways?

+lancelot1953 Hey, friend!! Thanks! This a serious problem to put a pilot like this airborne... Not much confidence at all

VASAviation - Hi "VASAviation", I agree with you, as a controller, I would be concerned on clearing this guy on a departure and wondering/worrying about the other controllers getting this pilot on the approach end of his flight! Keep them videos coming, I am learning a lot, Ciao, L

Its ok to be a student and go through the rigors of learning. Lot's of people remember what it was like, when you were learning and did not have a clue. Who is that controller, I will like to cut his lawn, wash his car, walk his mutt, and I may even do the dishes and make dinner.

Not even the same hemisphere.

its not a poll if you can only count one of two possible options

Tom, the problem is this is not a student pilot. He's asking for instrument clearance. I think the controllers should be able to order a flight review after that performance.

He sounded elderly to me, and that he hasn't flown much since, say, about WWII. In a situation like this, doesn't ATC have the authority to not let him take off?

And he's flying a Mooney??? Guaranteed he's a week behind that plane!!!

Classic. Over.

And he is taking an IFR flight plan...he couldn't be Instrument rated.

There is nothing wrong with asking to clarify instructions, as sometimes the controllers speak fast and not everyone has the ability to retain everything they said instantaneously. Now, that said, there is definitely a problem with this pilot, because he appears *_UNPREPARED_* and there is NO EXCUSE for that!! I, myself, am not great on the radio with ATC, but to compensate for this, I "over prepare". I got my PPL at an uncontrolled airport, where most of my 150+ hrs of flight time has been spent. As I'm in Instrument Training right now, I'm getting better at ATC comms, but I know I'm not a "natural" at it, like some are! I make damn sure I know every single VFR checkpoint, VOR, intersection etc. in the vicinity of my flight! I listen to the ATIS carefully, and go over several scenarios that I may expect, be it when I'm coming into the airport or departing!! Unfortunately, this guy appears to have "jumped into" the airplane and decided to wing it (pardon the pun) as he goes along, which is totally unacceptable! And after all of that, he requests to depart from the other end of the runway!! Big big kudos to that controller for keeping his calm!! 😃 .....Most normal humans would've lost it at that point!! I can only imagine how the rest of the conversation went with the controller spending another 10 to 15 minutes, going back and forth, explaining the new procedures!!! 😂

I'M just going to take it up and hope for the best.

Standing by, over.

Very standard IFR clearance, sometimes they are even longer. He should be writing these down and be prepared ahead of time. It's not that hard if you practice this , and since I assume he has an IFR certificate, he should have practiced many times.

I'm a pilot and the airport this happened at is my home base. This controller is a funny guy, and more than patient, he let my teenage daughter and her friend come up in the tower on the first day they flew in a small airplane ;). It's the first airport that isn't overly busy coming out of Dallas so this controller gets to deal with a lot of students and 'practice' flyers on a daily basis. He's used to dealing with problem kids. The catch is that this airport is close enough that it's still underneath the Dallas airspace. So yeah, he can refuse someone a departure, but for what? He's only gotta deal with them until they're up to 1500 feet or so, after that they're the city approach controller's problem. The procedure he has to read back is a standard departure procedure that all city airports have multiple versions of. They're for traffic flow/separation. Everyone has to learn to read em and fly em. It's not a terribly different concept from plotting a route in your car on your phone based on traffic jams. So the short answer is, if he can file a flight plan and call for that clearance, then he should be able to write it down and read it back. He can figure it out after the radio transmission is over. At one point he said he had a GPS so he doesn't really even have to know how it all works, he can just load the whole procedure into the GPS by name and it will draw nice little lines on the screen for him to follow. Assuming he can handle pushing buttons and spinning knobs on the GPS, as the controller said, "it's real simple." The only thing the controller didn't give him was the spelling of the radio tower he was supposed to head toward at the end of the procedure, so if he didn't know that right away a simple request for "phonetic on Quitman?" would have given him all he needed to know to program the GPS for the whole procedure.

Hi, and to asnwer you, YES the ATC can and has to keep a plane on the ground if there is any security issues. Greetings

He may be very patient and a very good person but he sould make an offer to the pilot to go though the flight plan in the tower. It would make it a lot easier to show it on the charts. And he see from the face expression if he had an real understanding. Yes I don't know the airfield (is the "controller"/info job shared between pilots or a fulltime controller). I hope all controllers are that patient if they had time. It might be confusing to read the chart of a new airport. Here you often grab some coffee in the kitchen, use the chartes, weather and NOTAM briefing and the towers printer of the smaller commute airfileds (even that ones with some IFR traffic). All guyes here are extremly friendly but doesn't hold any authority to stop you from flying. (but they might write a report) I don't know why an VFR flight sould get an IFR type clearance and why the pilot write down the VOR equipment if he's only want to use the gps. Even in bigger airports (that ones with block times 4 weeks in advance) I had seen a briefing building for the GA (without cheap/free coffee) and a real cash register instead the piggy bank and if you ask they may go through every step of the flying from the airfield.

That's not the controller's job. The person who filed this flight plan had to demonstrate knowledge of all of this stuff to pass a test and get his license. It's not the controller's job to hold the pilot's hand through a clearance delivery.

Hi The ATC is non giving an IFR departure but just a routine departure procedure but the problem is that our fellow guy is either drunk ou lost. I looked at the chart and the controller is just reading the departure chart with à different outbound altitude nothing more. Greetings

+keokiracerhalsteren Holy crap! Not ironic, just funny!!! :D :D

+VASAviation - It actually is ironic. Irony is usually humorous. :)

@@MrJohns0n1 It actually isn't ironic. Irony would be spelling *competant* incorrectly.

@@MrJohns0n1 I think i finally understand the meaning of "ironic" and from a comment on a 5 year old ATC conversation related to confusion stemming from a Waypoint that sounds like the word equipment. Not sure if that was a waypoint or something else, now i am not sure if this is irony either. Entertaining as hell though! How ironic is that? Wait! Stop! Do not answer that! LOL

ATC: "Due to recent information we have changed your take off instructions. Initially proceed to terminal via charlie, hold short of hitting terminal wall. proceed to your flight school and contact your flight instructor on frequency 123.4. *over*"