Bruce purposely did not teach his students everything to bring them to the top. All of Ip Mans students have learned to allow the students to research their own experience, Bruce simply showed them where to look but not what to see. This is wonderful as this allows ones individually to flourish.
None of ip mans students were ever proven to be any good. there is no prove they can fight, and they lived in the modern age, if they could fight it should somehow be documented. There is no evidence that any of those guys could fight, let alone have some lethal fighting secrets actually there is much more evidence that suggest that they probably couldnt fight a lick, because them and their offspring got exposed many times, not standing a chance against even low level students of other arts.
@@bigbaba4542 thousands of students became masters of Wing Chun under Yip Mann, and hundreds of them became recognised masters and sifus, including Bruce Lee and Wong Shung Leong himself. Yip Mann's two sons, Ip Chun and Ip Chan were Sifus for thousands of global students including the icon Samuel Kwok. What nonsense are you commenting out of your ignorance and arrogance ?
I also left Hong Kong at 18 and I was born 24 years after Bruce Lee , but still in the year of the dragon. He was my idol at that time but I didnt like fighting. I did get a black belt eventually in the states and had few challenges from some white guys at school but I got away winning without a fight. I simply showed kicks and 1 hand pushups or beating them in arm wrestling etc. I got into music and other things in life. So I didn't make it. Many of my friends are now professional teachers of TKD but none of them are rich or famous. It takes someone very unique and special to be a star like Bruce Lee. He must be chosen by God.
I met Wong Shun Leung for 3 days shortly before he died in The Hague where he had this Wing Chun seminar and a Dutch-Chinese boy was translating for us. A long time ago that was somewhere in the 90-ies. I have the impression that Wong sometimes just didn't understand Bruce Lee. He told us that the "one inch punch" was actually a wing chun punch which I later found out not to be true. After leaving the wing chun school Bruce wanted to learn Tong Long (Praying Mantis) so we still don't know where this secret technique came from. I ordered a book from the US about the One Inch Punch and Three Inch Punch and the first chapter appeared to start with meditation. Well, when one of our classmates asked Wong if he did any meditation he answered _"Why? What do I need that for?"_ Meanwhile Bruce did meditate and do yoga and many other martial artists like Jet Li do meditation so why Wong didn't see any benefit in it I just still don't know. A funny anecdote: when we were allowed to ask Wong some questions my training partner asked him a very complicated question. It went a bit like _"If he does this and I do that but he does that when I'll be doing this while he does that so I can do this...."_ etc. I already saw Wong smile and shake his head and the translation that came back to us was _"You won't be having any time for these kind of fantasies"_ And when explaining a palm strike a girl asked him _"But isn't a fist just harder?"_ His reply was _"Says who?"_ and he was right, a palm strik is harder because you strike with the large bones close to your wrist instead of those 4 little knuckles in your fist that you might hurt yourself with. He was obviously really down to earth that man but he wasn't very spiritual though.
Dude, as a wing chun practitioner, the one inch, 2 inch, 3 inch punch, no matter how many inches, its very well train and practice in wing chun in almost every strike and technique. Wing chun range is a close range, so you have to be able to strike hard from a very close range, sometimes almost touching the opponent, so this is what a wing chun fighter end up developing, its close range punch. So zero inch, 1, 2, 3, etc punch is happening all the time in a chi sao session, a pung sao session Like it or not, its very likely that Bruce got it from there
@@ered8089 I was a wing chun student myself and yes, wing chun does specialise in close range and the strikes are short but never as short as that. It is my believe that the one inch punch is not entirely physical or relying on muscle power which is why it has such explosive force. And it's why meditation is needed. In wing chun however there is zero meditation. We never practiced the one inch punch. It has nothing to do with what I "like". It's about what I discovered.
@@theovanrossum8652 its not compulsory to meditate in order to become a great fighter. Mostly MMA fighter champion not do that. Khabib,Jon Jones, DC, Anderson Silva, Adesanya etc. Same goes with boxing champion. Tyson Fury,Floyd,Ali,Foreman etc. We have to remember also Bruce Lee training routine is freaking insane. 300 punches left hand,300 punches right hand (3 times a week)
@@megatafiq1568 I never said that you need meditation to become a great fighter or a martial artist. Only thing was that Wong didn't understand Bruce Lee's one inch punch. He claimed it was equal to a wing chun punch while it had nothing to do with wing chun. Bruce didn't stay with wing chun after 4 years and explored different avenues. However, you do need meditation in order to train the one inch punch because said punch is incredibly powerful and not 100% muscles power.
USING NO WAY AS A WAY". IS NOT FOR BEGINNERS. IT IS AN ADVANCED CONCEPT THAT REQUIRES LEARNING THE FUNDAMENTALS. YOU CANNOT START OFF AT THE TOP. NOBODY CAN.
The Wing Chun system is a hybrid martial art. It's not traditional Kung Fu style. Bruce was taught mainly by his seniors even my old teacher Victor Kan Wah Chit helped him (currently the top Sifu in the world from IP Man's school) alive and still teaching in his 80's with his foundation work, Siu Nim Tau level etc, as he stated a few years 3 to 4 hours a day before Bruce joined Grand master IP Man school. Mainly later on WSL helped him Bruce advance but was not his teacher/Sifu but was his senior VT brother.. Never the less the knowledge came from IP Man's teaching. Victor told me once, Bruce was nothing special in the early days but once he came back from the USA he was very keen to learn and I think because he realised the value comparing to what he experience in America from other fighting systems he was learning very fast my teacher told me. WC-VT is a very condensed fighting system and knowing is not enough you have to apply it. This is the challenge! And as the old saying goes 'A master never blames his tools..
Hmm...i think "he missed some steps in the middle" does not mean he doesn't understand WC, perhaps figured it wasn't useful to himself. And it's really hard for him to fully teach his students the complete WC system,hence, the creation of JKD. He said it himself..." I cannot teach you, I can only show you the way, to find out yourself, express yourself, empty your mind, be formless, be shapeless, be like water....etc...that's the essence of jkd. People said he is selfish and don't really want to teach others what he knew, but you have to understand, he is uniquely gifted and hard for others to follow or have his ability. JKD is not a set of style or system, rather a concept, and its a concept for anyone that can grasp it, can expand their knowledge and evolve through ones martial arts skill and philosophy. In short, its a never ending, ever evolving fighting system. And he is the godfather of mma.
That's right, when he went to America, his mindset, his ability and fighting philosophy changed. He'd realized maybe what he learned is not really useful in a real world fighting scenario against bigger and stronger opponents. He read and studied a lot of other forms of fighting methods, and perhaps came to a conclusion that he had to adapt. He never stopped learning and changing.
@@calmwater2529 he said Bruce was at the top already. But he is taking some steps away preventing his students from reaching the top. It's not about how much Bruce knew, but how much Bruce was willing to teach. Like maybe he'll teach you to crawl and run but not walk. Thus missing a step. He knows how to walk but won't teach it to you. You gotta remember he is not teaching WC, he does not need to know all of WC.
Is there a continuation of this video? a Part 2? And I would expect Bruce would "miss" some steps in wingchun due to the idea of Use whats useful & discard what is not useful ...... Perhaps a few steps he didnt feel were useful for him. Maybe Bruce modified that style & just used "some" of the art,what benefited Bruce perhaps. ..This is a great interview,I just wish there were more of it.,
I think you'll find he had holes in his knowledge that he wasn't even aware of, and Wong Shun Leung was able to point them out to him. You have to at least learn something before you can decide whether to discard it or not.
Missing a few steps was Wongs way of being very polite. Bruce barely had 1/5th of Wing Chun. There's literally tons of things Bruce didn't know and wasn't shown yet. All one needs to do is dedicate study to Wing Chun for 2 to 3 years and you already know more than Bruce. You can also read Bruce's books on his JKD philosophy and literally see he didn't know much at all.
I agree with both WingChun newbie and Brian McComas. I believe he created JKD as a frustrated WC practitioner trying to put it all together. He never completed the system.
@@ReceivingLightweb I forget how far he got in the system. I *think* he knew the 1st 2 hand forms. The WC system is complete on it's own, but Bruce had to go outside of it due to the circumstances in his life (that he unfortunately created).
@Tzion Talks It says alot for the system that Bruce was as good in the USA as he was - especially if what you say about him knowing only Siu Lim Tao is true. I totally believe that his WC big brothers could beat him, but I also believe that he was a good fighter. Master Wong had to have been better, and there are others in Yip Man's line who were also better. Yet and still, Master Wong and all the other of Ip Man's students did not make as significant of an impact here in the US as Bruce did. We wouldn't be having this convo without Bruce Lee's impact. He was a good fighter - not impervious, but a good fighter.
Because he was too jealous of William cheung, wsl was a fake like many other kung fu masters, smokes a lot has no physical physic only around 5ft four and wants to be known as the king of wing chun.. You can't never win with chi Sao in a real fight because your opponent is alive and constantly moving. With chi Sao you can win against someone with no experience at all. This art was develop 300yrs ago and times have change today's martial artist are more advance with more fighting knowledge. Bruce Lee was 200 yrs ahead of his time, he is the scientist of the martial arts, he had the calculating mind of an accountant and the the speed and prowess of a jungle cat.
@@stevenyu875 right at what you said but this master was questioning bruce lee skills after he came back from US by creating JKD and ditching traditional WC but this master is defending traditional wC with bruce lee. so seems like no matter what bruce has improved his fighting skills, this master continues to look at bruce lee as a lower level than he himself.
Put it this way, if it wasn't for Bruce Lee this guys wouldn't be known at all. This guy wsl wouldn't last 20 sec in a real fight with Bruce Lee, this masters are mad, dillusional, common guys be realistic in a real fight no one will stand there and cross arm with you. Once a fight start you won't have time to get into you front stance or back stances, it will be over in a matter of seconds.. This Chinese so called masters are alway in battle among the self, always putting each other down.
I AGREE WITH HIM. PEOPLE THAT PRACTIE JEET KUNE DO, ARE MISSING A LOT OF FOUNDATION. THEY ARE INFATUATED WITH BRUCE LEE, AND THINK THEY CAN MIMICK HIM, AND HAVE HIS SKILL. NOT TRUE. THE CORE OF JEET KUNE DO IS WING CHUN. HOWEVER HE DEVELOPED CERTAIN ASPECTS OF IT TO A VERY HIGH LEVEL.
Wrong. “The majority of people who practice Jeet Kune Do are mixed up, they think it should be a part of Wing Chun, a part of MMA, a part of Thai boxing, a part of wrestling, you know, a part of Wing Chun, which this is completely incorrect. You don't go from style to style, you go from distance to target or target to distance. Longest weapon to the nearest target and the most direct and efficient route possible, that is Jeet Kune Do.” - Tommy Carruthers
Died too young this great wing chun fighter. Why didn't he film his fights? On RU-vid there are lots of vids of wing chun fighters getting beat. Wong shun leung didn't get beat
Rick Occonnell . Ip Man only selected very few students in wing chun. That's why some masters said they learned everything from Ip Man..yet their styles were completely different from wing chun. That's why you see the wooden dummy or the 3 forms totally out of whack and self invented. These masters bragged about it knowing nothing. Wong Chun Leung..Chu Shong Tin and Moy Yat were the fortunate ones to see and learn Ip Man's wing chun through visual and talking wing chun.
RU-vid didn't exist. And if you're the only person in the world to own any Bruce Lee footage...why the fuck would you post it on RU-vid? Nothing on RU-vid is real, Real footage doesn't get posted to the public.
Why didn’t he film his fights? What? Do you think people just walked around with video cameras everywhere? Most of the time he didn’t even know there was going to be a fight. The fight with the extra on enter the dragon was filmed but it was destroyed.
@@dollhaus1 I don't think any of them were really good in real life. people always think because wing chun has that notoriety, but people who practice wing chun can't fight a lick, something must have been lost along the way. But I think the most plausible explanation is, none of them could ever fight a lick. There is no evidence that wing chun was ever any good.
no he was tired, exhausted and overworked his body (along witb drugs)... he collapsed because he went overboard, no one murdered him. jesus, people gotta stop with this nonsense
I think JKD allows the individual to find their own style. So it’s not a crystallized form but it has no form. So words don’t do it justice but let the journey begin.
Parece que hay muchos maestros de wing chun aquí que opinan hubieran vencido fácilmente a BL...principalmente ahora ,que está muerto !!jajaajaj..Dan pena ...La mayoría en wing chun hoy día puede ser vencido fácilmente por un boxeador profesional ...solo se colgaron de la fama que le dió BL al WCH para hacer un gran negocio .
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seizure or epilepsy. he actually said it but wasn't translated. that's why his whole body was stiff thus the curled/"cramped" toes and muscles "bloated".
You talk alot of Kroc Yes you this is what I think of you you were jealous of master Bruce Lee and he's family I know you didn't their to talk like you talking now to master Bruce Lee
Sifu Wong was a traditional Wing Chun practitioner who only believed in traditional forms and techniques. When Bruce Lee returned to Hong Kong Sifu Wong did not accept Bruce's JKD so they spared. Simply put, Sifu Wong was far too slow and weak for Bruce Lee. Bruce tried to share his JKD with Sifu Wong but Wong couldn't change his old fashion ways. Due to the fact that Sifu Wong was still Wing Chun's elder, he couldn't let himself be less than Bruce Lee. Too bad.
This is not true DocNo. Wong Shun Leung... was asked by Bruce to review all of his film fight choreography. Wong Shun Leung was His Sihing. Wong Shun Leung never lost a fight nor sparring. Get it right.
@@calmwater2529 Leung Suang (Yip Man's eldest student) was the only one supported Bruce and encouraged him. Leung Suang was a Pak Mei practitioner before training Wing Chun with Yip.
You call that debunking scientifically? I checked out every video you had and that was literally some of the most painful footage i've ever watched. I usually don't diss people or look to put them down but PLEASE STOP! You are not debunking anything and especially "scientifically", except yourself. You make it very obvious that you know absolutely nothing about Wing Chun. Look at the way you "chi sao". NOBODY DOES CHI SAO LIKE THAT! How could you possibly debunk something you know nothing about? You can't even demonstrate basic poon sau motion in the air. Stop. Immediately. You're wasting your time and giving Wing Chun an even worse name in the process.
@mark loper I read your comment and had to see. Disgraceful is an understatement! Fucking horrible, disgusting and pointless. And disgraceful. Why would someone go to that much effort to "debunk scientifically" something they don't even know anything about? Did you see the way he does poon sau??? LMAO
@Smart Research Wing Chun you don't know the first thing about ving tsun do you. If you teach that rubbish, and people fall for it, you're likely to get someone hurt not only that but you're just adding to all the pointless wing chun that's on the internet. The thing with VT is that it takes a lot of work and has to be taught by someone who fully understands what's going and and why. It's evident that you know neither by the way you turn and the placement of your arms and hands. I urge you to continue but find someone who really understands it. What country are you in?
All traditional arts are built up in a gradual process. If u see all those wing chin practitioner challenging MMA fighter and was beaten badly, that was because wing chun is supposed to be a street fighting art.That means a fight may last a few seconds. Moreover, a real wing chin practitioner would take decades to perfect their art, so how could a so called wing chin practitioner win if he may just learn it 2 to 3 yrs on and off.MMA fighters are professional and they train every day.
wing chun is too classical not practical at all,for wing chun chun to stand the test of time todays masters must get out of the classical mess. This wong shun leung should be thankful if not for bruce lee there would not be yip man or wong shun leung. For wong shun leung and his muppets i could beat them one at a time with one hand only. In a street fight you dont have time to do chi sao as every real fight could be over when you blink your eyes so common wing chuners wake up as you way behind mma fighters. remember what bruce says absorb what is useful and discard what is useless. Bruce lee was the scientist of the martial arts,bruce had the calculating mind of the accountant and he had the agility and fighting spirit of the jungle cat
Proof that Bruce didn't know anythiing beyond the first form, didn't have more than 2 years of Wing Chun, was argued against by his Sifu on his claims of JKD filling gaps he assumed Wing Chun did not fill, and his Sifu says he missed many steps in Kung Fu and was striving for the top. Bruce was great for the camera and a hype man and that's it. It was well known in China he couldn't spar or chi sao against ant of his brothers and sisters in Wing Chun without losing.
@@Tbonyandsteak I'm guessing you're a couch potato who never did any martial art, that's the only explanation to how someone could believe this bullshit about mastering a martial art in 1 month. That's just retarded. You do know what an actor is, right?
Eye witness says Bruce Lee got the better of WSL. You clearly need more real fighting experience if you read his books and come away with the impression he didn't know much.
So I have pointed out the following things about Bruce Lee and i have been hated, attacked, and smeared for it. #1 Bruce Lee had very little Wing Chun kung fu knowledge. #2 Bruce Lee never went beyond his first form in level/rank. #3 Bruce lied about what Wing Chun is unable to do and incomplete in many of his claims and books. #4 JKD is born, based on a lie from the 3rd point. #5 Most of the things Bruce claimed that WC doesn't do, is done in the 2nd form and taught in the 2nd form. #6 Bruce Lee had 4 years max with Ip Man, and 18 months on and off with Wong Shun Leung. #7 Bruce actually was hated by the Wing Chun community because of his arrogance and how he mistreated both Wong and Ip Man. In this video you hear all of these points from Wong Shun Leung. So those who argued with me, are now arguing with Wong. Bruce was an actor, and very good at it. He acted and used manipulation on all of America. People think Bruce had all these fights, but in reality , he had none. The one with Jack was never public and those who saw it told stories very different from Bruce and his wife. Bruce was 130 pounds, 5.7 had only the first form of Wing Chun and was very arrogant and nasty to many Kung Fu brothers and sisters. He shouldn't be anyone's hero.
Bruce was only 130lbs towards the last year of so of his life. He also had a wing chun teacher in Seattle called fook yeung. You are spreading misinformation about him and there’s already enough of that. Stop it.
@@axelstone3131 The problem is this training with an alternate sifu in Seattle is hearsay. There's no evidence. Linda Lee, Taky Kimura (RIP), Jesse Glover (RIP) and many others during his Seattle days have never said anything about this Fook Yeung. Nor has Inosanto, Ted Wong, James Lee, Wong Shun Leung (RIP), William Cheung, Hawkins Cheung (RIP) or the many people who we all KNOW knew Bruce Lee well. If this had occurred would someone who knew him intimately or was trained by him not have mentioned it? The fact is that many unscrupulous martial artists came out of the woodwork after Lee's death claiming they knew him. It's all hearsay without hard proof or at least prominent friends and family of Lee verifying it. Also there are timeline issues with this claim that Lee trained wing chun with a Fook Yeung for 7 years (is what I think I heard). Lee had opened up his own Jun Fan Gung Fu Club by 1960. That's a year after he arrived in America. He was also actively studying philosophy at the University of Washington and dating Linda Emery which would have given him little time. Lee then uprooted his family and moved to Oakland by 1964. So how could he have trained for 7 years with this Fook Yeung? I'm not saying it's a lie. But it's not the truth either without some provenance or evidence. People making claims without evidence is nothing if there's no proof. So far Wong Sheung Leung's claim that Lee only trained for 1.5 years is the most accurate information we have about Lee's wing chun training. Now you can learn a lot of wing chun in 1.5 years because, everyone must remember, that wing chun was designed as a compressed, strip down system with minimum forms, and using drills and exercises to reach competency. Of course, you're not going to be a master in wing chun in 1.5 years but you'll certainly know the majority of techniques and maybe up to the 2nd form Chum Kiu and that is consistent with claims from William Cheung (or Wong Shun Leung -- can't remember which) citing that after Lee became famous that he offered to pay big bucks for private lessons to learn Biu Jee flying fingers form. Unsubstantiated stories of Lee is what is really killing his legacy. Let's stop with the hearsay and stick to the facts. Wong Shun Leung knew Lee, we all know that. Wong Shun Leung was Lee's direct instructor, we know that. That's provenance.
I dont want to be a smarta..., but i dont get it why ppl still write the name as "Wong Shun Leung" in 2021. This was the way the name was written 50 or 100 years ago, but not today anymore. Its either in kantonese Wong Shun-leung or Wong Shunleung, or in mandarin Huang Chunliang. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wong_Shun-leung The Yale romanization has been overtaken by Hanyu Pinyin, which is more evolved and better understandable for western people. In chinese and korean the names basically consist of 3 single symbols, and they are written together without a space between them. If you translate them word to word it would be: WongShunLeung But this is not common in the west. But even Wong Shun Leung can be confusing since many ppl with think Shun is a middle name (like John Fitzgerald Kennedy), and the given name would only by Leung. Wong Shun-leung or Huang Chunliang shows clearly the 2 names Shun/Chun and Leung/Liang belong together which they do.
The Truth ? I was with Wong shun leung who taught limited wing chun to BL and myself in Hong Kong and we knew BL was just an actor .as you can hear he was 16- 17 not 13 and thats not true..he was not ip man student because yip man was never a teacher to anyone but more like a symbol so his seniors did and wong shun leung told me he was on and off maybe 1,5 years to pick up some lessons ,, i was in hong kong and with him ,.jet kun was founded by fook yueng in seattle ,bl learned from him and he later stole it and named it as jeet kune do and fook yueng who was a friend of his dad remained silent, linda his widow called his name in a meeting in seattle, where is he where is he .. here he is fook yueng was bruce s teacher and mentor, shannon li con artist erases everything i claim ,she edit wikipedia with buncha lies and made up stories ,she wants to sue anyone whos telling the truth , I know bls lies and game better than anyone in the world and i challenge anyone to face me. bl was also a druggie and we all heard that at that time and he was listed as a druggie by the british crown colony police in Hong Kong.. there is no way an actor can fight an extra in motion picture, its not acceptable by law so please pass that lie , 真相 ？我和 Wong shun leung 在一起，他在香港教 BL 和我自己有限的咏春拳，我们知道 BL 只是一个演员。你可以听到他是 16-17 岁而不是 13 岁，那不是真的..他不是 ip man 学生因为叶问从来都不是任何人的老师，而更像是一个象征，所以他的前辈就是这样，黄顺良告诉我他断断续续地学习了 1.5 年的课程，我在香港和他在一起， .jet kun是由fook yueng在西雅图创立的，bl从他那里学来的，后来他偷了它并命名为jeet kune do，fook yueng是他父亲的朋友，他保持沉默，他的遗孀linda在一次会议上点名了他的名字西雅图，他在哪儿 他在哪儿 .. 他在这里 fook yueng 是布鲁斯的老师和导师，shannon li 骗子抹去了我声称的一切，她用一堆谎言和编造的故事编辑维基百科，她想起诉任何告诉她的人事实上，我比世界上任何人都更了解 bls 的谎言和游戏，我挑战任何人来面对我。 bl也是一名吸毒者，我们当时都听说过，他被香港的英国直辖殖民地警察列为吸毒者.. 演员不可能在电影中打临时演员，这是法律不可接受的，所以请通过这个谎言，
