For the benefit of those of us who are listening and not watching, could you please identify what vehicles you are talking about by their name in the future? Just saying " this thing" is really not useful. You did it a couple of times.
The only thing the OG 268 can give you vs the Grille and 268 v4 is its heat pen decent bloom and surprisingly goated Camo rating where when decked out it can almost reach strv 103b lvls
@@alainsterckx9154I think you’re right but it plays so much different than the lion. Lion can play hull down and brawl Progetto really needs to play a vision game at this point.
I love my Rino but I know it's awful haha That's why it's fun to play, I like having decent game in bad tanks, way more rewading than having decent games in op tanks !
I have 56% win rate and 3200 average dmg on it.. so all these streams are subjective. I hate 60 tp and lots of tanks that are rated high on this video. Rino is Great
Could you please actually name tanks rather than saying "this thing"? Not all of us recognize all the icons. Esp. the medium tanks and casemate TDs all look the same. P. S. Noticed that the video has time stamps with tank names, that is very much appreciated!
Jagdpanzer just feels so good Btw Minotauro does have a cupola, when facing him on the left side there is a 2nd cupola behind the frontal one, it is sitting in the middle but is low profile so if its a hulldown city map u gonna be able to hit it because Mino is quite low profile compared to other heavies. Just pray Mino doesnt get a ridgeline 💀
Happy Birthday Max and thanks for all the content. Over the last year I have learnt so much from your guidance, approach and explanations. Hoping you have great success in 2024. You deserve it. Have a great Christmas and a happy new year. Cheers. Alex.,
Nice video explaining clearly the pros and cons of each tank. I always play the AMX50 B with the mediums in Blitz and usually get very good results. Thus, I am quite happy to see it in the A category. I would very much appreciate seeing a follow up video once update 1.26 comes out especially with the crew rework.
Lol. UDES 15/16 poo? That is not and objective judgment lol. That's personal animosity haha. It's freaking awesome. Has like second highest camo, great armor if you use angles. Lovely alpha. It's a really nice tank. Spotting secondary equipment and I've gotten 9k spotting in games with no lights.
@@JS-mp7fyhating the siege mode mechanic is not objective actually. It's kinda BS cuz the best example of an annoying siege mode is the Type 63. STB-1 is already better and UDES is quite smooth for the most part. Also the part where gold ammo easily kills UDES is a joke. the armor is godlike compared STB-1 and all meds apart 430U. UDES can be played like an extra heavy tank on ur team. There are only a few other meds and TDs who can do the same. If u die to gold ammo in UDES, it's a skill issue garenteed. There are plenty better unicums, streamers and YT channels (no offense) and all agree that UDES is straight up A/S-tier. Skill4ltu, Daki, Kajzoo, Iyouxin and others. This should not need convincing Max even hated on the gun ffs. Lol thats so crazy. It's is without a doubt one of the best med tank guns in the game. it's shell velocity isnt great but balance wise is right on spot. It is one of the only weaknesses of the UDES so yeah. For its alpha it has great gun handling and insane DPM. Alpha dmg is huge as well, especially in todays meta. Top 5 med tank guns (taking into account gun depression) would probably look something like Leo 1, Centurion AX, 121B or M60, UDES 15/16, K-91 or 121. It says enough
@@JS-mp7fy Objective arguments like "they are gonna hit the cupola" and "the gun is bad"? Cupola isn't that big. Gun isn't actually bad. I would say gun is good. Alpha is good. Camo is awesome. Armor works in hull down. It's pretty mobile.
He did admit that it's mostly just he hated (auto) siege mode. No idea why he hated it that much compared to STB though, because STB gun is way worse to me.
@@latjolajban81Only proper critique for the Udes 15/16 would be sometimes trollish gun, and that it likes to burn or blow up. But it is still at least B tier, if not A.
Thanks for a great video and Happy B-Day! Can't wait for the updated tech tree vid! Maybe separate it into few videos as 1) which to go for now 2) which to avoid and etc..
60tp bcs it is a fast well armored assault heavy, and the gun is underrated. And e3 is s tier for sure. Panzerwagen, I really like it, but it is not that high tbh, t100lt can do everything this tank do+ scouting. Should say thanks for the nice job!
This rating is entirely different from what I would've done. But this obviously is a rather opinion/in game experience based kind of rating, that is heavily biased by play style, rather than on statistics, such as average win rate, damage, combined damage or WN8 UDES 15/16 is in Poo tier of this list despite having the highest win rate of all vehicles mentioned in this video, which usually means it must have something good for it going. Just like the WZ-113G FT has the highest average WN8. I understand this is just your opinion, but this rating is not really going to help new players out to synthetically judge, which vehicles are the best for them. We now know, which tanks you like but we didnt gain any information, which tanks are objectively good and which are objectively bad, because you put one of the best Tier X vehicles (it must be one of the best, if it has such high WR) into Poo and its not April 1st.
K-91 is my favorite tank now. It has insane camo and an epic gun. I play as a creepy sniper so I don’t need armor. The only thing bad about this tank is that it struggles to reach its top speed
It's a pretty good list honestly, though it became more a gun tier list for some of them. Amx 13 105 and tvp t 50/51 i would bump up to A tier for sure. 13 105 in my opinion is the perfect light behind ebr, it gets 50% camo when setup and overall fits in better on most maps compared to other lights since it can flex into a medium. The tvp with bond vents, vstab and bounty rotation mechanism is godlike. 1.73s aim time, 0.30 dispersion, 0.10 moving dispersion, 0.11 tank traverse dispersion and 0.06 turret traverse dispersion. The manticore is placed too high if all other maps are taken into the equation, terrible dpm and gun elevation. Suffering from the elc even 90 one trick isn't a good thing most of the time.
while i wouldn't put the 268 at S tier, i think a lot of people miss the fact that the tank itself is not really bad at anything. The firepower is basically the same as the WZ 113 (although its more accurate and it has 303 standart pen which is really good), it has good mobility, the armour isnt amazing but you can actually sidescrape with it ( since its basically a T-10 with big fing gun), and it has surprising camo values. I really believe that the obj 268 is probably the best begginer tier 10 TD, since there is nothing bad about this tank.
Just one comment - EBRs should not exist in this game. Not even Rally race cars move that way, ffs, let alone an armoured vehicle. They need, at minimum, a massive nerf.
IS4 and 50M are my first tier Xs in the game where 50M has the higher win rate in random but my IS4 has the rarety factor that throws off a lot of players. It suffers with its weight a lot more than its speed. Slower than an IS7 and lighter too??? Makes no sense since it has better armor. Im working for the super conqueror currently for its ridgeline ability and ease of attaining vs other heavies with good gun depression. Great vid, thank you for the info.
well depends how you look at it, idk about WZ, but TVP is very overrated, it sucks at every stat except popularity, it has cool gameplay, people like it, but performance wise its in the bottom.
tvp has a high skill cap, but so has leopard 1 which is S tier.ask daki what he thinks about tier 9 skoda. and udes 15/16 Poo? cmon. udes is a monster,and to put it 4 tiers below chinese turetless td,which is btw crap,is blasphemy. yes i have every tank in the tech tree.but like i said its his video.
Just IMO, but things I would change from your list: A-- Udes15/16, STB, Mino, Leo1, TVP, AMX13 105, B-- T57 HEAT, 50B, Obj140, Obj268, Prog65, T110E4, JgPzE100 C-- Grille, Rino, M-V-Y Poo-- Pz7
People watched this for your opinions, so they can base their expectations on something. If people don't agree, then when they get to your level they can stick their neck out and make their own list for others to criticise, but by that time their opinions are likely to have changed. We all have "crap" tanks that we somehow do well in, but that says more about the player than the tank
Your stats are decent, but overall total misjudge on E4 and Udes. E4 doesn't need any buff. You should play more battles, than 25 battles to judge it. Tank is really good.
Mostly agree with this tier list but how is the udes in the poo tier? Its only downside is the shell velocity (at least to me). If you play it right you're pretty much impenetrable.
Rinoceronte is a great tank, but you can´t play it like you did. It needs experimental turbo, vert. stabs and bond vents. Then it needs to be played as a semi-sniper.
then it still suck :D I mean, I kinda like it to play it sometimes, but the DPM is so rubbish, it simply too low in the current meta And the armor layout is "meh", it cant reliable play hulldown
@@Phx_888 DPM could be better, but it is a great fast and accurate tank and I had no problems dealing around 6 k damage in many games. And I am not the best player.
thanks for another great video, max! But,Uhm, isnt the Foch B missing? I am however going to make an educated guess. If i remember correctly you hate the Foch 155, so Foch B is in same class. Great clip potential, descent speed, great pen, but the reload time... and reverse speed, and the massive coupolas and aweful armor...... C-tier..? :D
Valid list, only one i disagree aith is the obj 140, got it yesterday as was holding out for ages, kept the t54 yada yada. Might be new tank syndroke, But over 20 games i got 3.2k dmg and 1200 assisting, not sure if its the playstyle or what just loads of fun and really dependable. The gun on its evil, can fire it 3 times in 10 seconds so a crossing heavy will loose basically 1k hp. Used to love the udes but its been trolling tf out of me lately, love the tvp but its kind of team and situation based, with christmas MM its got a bit of dust on it atm. Need to buy my leo 1 but the pta is so strong for tier 9 i dont see the same tank a tier up with up scaled stats being a must buy. I know its good, but 6 mill plus equipment etc to play in full tier 10 games 90 percent of the time and only get to bully tier 8s instead of 7s when you get top tier doesnt seem like a great deal. Saying that was a similiar thought process when buying my 140 so will probably buy it soon, might wait for the christmas 20 percent discount reward.
I watch your video on a mobile phone on landscape mode and when you mention a tank but when you talk about it if i haven't heard its name i do not know who you're talking about. It would help us to have the name of the tank somewhere in the upper left or right in bold capital letters. Thank you. S Conq deserve lower place.
Man this is a wacky list. I have to say I very much disagree with you on this one, but I respect your opinions. I love the Rinoceronte, It's a funny preference, but my goodness I can pull 5k dpg in it and it's got great armor and it's also fast and manuverable. I would put it in A. Just one of my favorites that didn't get some love :(.
705A has a better turret than 60TP. lt may be worse positioned, as in rear facing, okay sure. But physically speaking, armor of 705A turret is dramatically superior to 60TP turret.
Progetto 65 They nerfed it because it was too popular ON THE RUSSIAN SERVER There's no Russian server anymore So why's it still nerfed into oblivion..? Baffling
For me 5A is better than 277 and sheridan is D tier. Sheridan has no camo you will get outspotted by everything in their mums even meds with cvs will spot it out and its not good as a medium bcz of no armour , worse gun handling than RHM and yeah...
First off, this is a great list, cheers. Personally UDES is a surprise ofc but if the siege mode mechanic is such a pain for u, I see why. But then STB 1 should be even worse cuz UDES is literally better at everything STB 1 does. Chinese TD being A-tier is also puzzling. The line was always considered garbage by the entire wot community and the buffs made it go from being garbage to being playable. So there is nothing that justifies S-tier Imo. It is a way better 268. It could be in between A and B at best.
udes is much less flexible than stb. also you get very good ammo with 330 heat, mobility, udes is so small you cant even use the turret on something like himmel or erlenberg cuz u cant look over any cover. there is alot of reasons why like stb over udes
@@galax12370 skill issue and personal taste . Most unicums say the exact opposite aka UDES is superior. It is actually a better hulldown tank. If it's too "small" it simply means u cannot play hulldown with it. Funny fact, STB is so much easier to pen hulldown. It's naive to blame the tank. Max is a great player but certainly not a super unicum. Dakillzor, Skill4ltu, Kajzoo, Iyouxin and others can give u a good idea what UDES is capable of. If u hate it, then simply admit u cannot make it work. UDES is without a doubt one of the best meds in the game and overall one of the best tanks. In the right hands, its straight up S tier
@@sir_vikingbeard5842 I never said the tank is superior. I just said there are reasons to prefer stb and stop forming your opinions based of what others say its absolutely usless towards the conversation.
@@sir_vikingbeard5842 I dont even have stb and I love my udes and I can acknowledge that the tank has alot of flaws and I fully admit I cant make it work fully just like any other tank. Its very one trick pony if you will. once enemies break your hulldown there isnt much you can do stb can atleast run or outdpm