He has SOME long term plans. For example, following the Attitude Era with the PG Era, to build a new fan base of 10-14 year olds. Sure, it alienated existing fans but like I said, it was a plan.
@@360entertainment2 It's not a 'bad' plan. Those kids will watch as adults UNTIL the WWE goes into another PG era... I remember personally, I really enjoyed the Angle/Lesnar/Eddie Guerrero/Benoit years but it was impossible to watch the Cena/Orton/Triple H years that followed, for the same reason.
@azart61before the Attitude era it was even more PG than it is now….I have been watching this for 40 years or so..I am 43 now and start watching when I was a very young child. When I was a kid it was PG corny and we loved it lol. However Attitude Era was for me by far the best era since I’ve been watching.
But at the same time they booked many wrestlers the right way, that were misused in other promotions. That’s how it works, not verybody can be used the right way.
Yes he is lying. Wwe gave them careers. Have you ever started a job? Do you start at the best possible spot or do you need to prove yourself? These people got handed material, and didn’t try so their careers failed. Weird how that works lol
@@jollyjames30yea it did. Made Dusty go from a tough SOB to a I don’t even know what you would call it, similar to what happened to Adrian Adonis, just ruined his character.
@@danielwilson9724 how so? He had one good angle in ECW 30 years ago. He has more stoppages in TNA due to showing up drunk than he has 2 star matches in his total career lol
@@danielwilson9724 no he didn’t. Which matches? I have the book WWE printed with every match listed and every producer and he’s nowhere in them. Which angle did he write. Share with me. Also being cool with Shane doesn’t mean you have a great mind for the sport. Shane was doing truck loads of coke in the 90’s/00’s and so was raven. He had a great nose for coke
Completely different gimmicks but i get what you're saying,even Paul Heyman said nobody else could've played the Raven gimmick like he did,much like nobody could've played a Bray Wyatt gimmick like Windham Rotunda did.
And yet the red rooster has the authority in WWE that they credit john cena for having when he never did. Simply put I hear he got a big job like "producer". So sorry ppl, can't feel sorry for the red rooster, he got some power in the end..if I heard that correctly. A trade off.
Steamboat was an amazing talent but with growing back issues and more interests outside wrestling than inside. Kerry had the name and the body but he was missing a foot and a drug habit that was quickly getting out of control.
@FerretJohn no one knew at the time that he was missing a foot, and the drug issues ? Many guys like bret and such have said that they never noticed him out of it. Kerry was a top star anywhere he went but vince had to ruin him
@@milesboustead2826how is he going to get the spotlight, when he's fucking up Everytime he shows up, he named a couple wrestlers that go buried, but didn't name the thousands that weren't, our didn't mention the WWF payed ECW's salary for year's so they wouldn't go out of business. Every company stole wrestlers from other promotions, just so that promotion couldn't have them, and I didn't hear him whine about the millions WWF paid him.
In retrospect, I do wish WCW would have treated Raven and the flock a little better. By that, I mean they could have slowly built them up to have a feud with the NWO. I know Raven was not on Hogans level when it comes to star power, but that is the beauty of wrestling when done right. Especially at that stage of Hogans career, he could have been a star maker. Don't treat Raven and the flock like a joke and even as heel vs heel, there would have been an insane pop if after months of NWO running roughshod over WCW, one night the flock decides to stand up against them. It didn't have to be on behalf of WCW, there are many different stories they could have used, but just build Raven up and the initial face off, with him and Hogan definitely would have been electric. Part of the reason Goldberg became so huge was beating Hogan because it just doesn't happen like that. It didn't work as well for Luger and Sting because they had already had lengthy careers by then and fans knew they couldn't be the top guy, but Goldberg getting that W over Hogan was part of his story. Granted it was too soon for the long term, but hard to argue it wasn't a good move overall as far as it affected perception of Goldberg. That is how stars were made for most of wrestling history even when fans try to reject a guy, it still is how to do it. Roman Reigns wasn't ready, but by the time he was, fact is, he beat Cena. Clean. It matters in the long run. Winning and losing doesn't necessarily matter, but it does if it's memorable, and if the guy that loses is going to be a star, he has to beat the guy soon enough that the loss is remembered alongside the win. Like, the loss can't be discussed without having to bring up the win. It is why Ultimate Warrior also is regarded by casual fans so highly. He beat Hogan, and by the time Hogan beat Warrior, it was way too long after, as far as what people remember. Goldberg has the same cache with casual fans, too.
Like it or not Raven is right.. Look at how Vince McMahon treated WCW and ECW stars?? Look at how he treated Raven and before some fanboy come at me even people close to Vince McMahon have said Vince didn't know what to do with the Raven character cause he didn't get it.. People close to him said that..
The fact that Raven is not only alive.. But begam a lowkey legend.. Is now sober.. He sounds and looks amazing... Good on you Raven. Im not only proud but i wanted to give you your flowers.. You were on par hardcore wise with Mick Foley..
That is one thing I never understood about Vince was the pettiness with taking most stars from other places and not using them correctly. If I am a promoter and I want my talent to sellout arenas to the point where people are getting turned away. As well as people paying to see them on ppv, I want them to be what made them most successful. It makes them more $, makes me more $, and helps the promotion grow.
Rip the Crippler was a phenomenal talent in the ring and on the mic at Portland Wrestling. He and Playboy Buddy Rose did nothing but job in WWF. Roddy Piper, Dynamite Kid, Snuka, Billy Jack all did quality time in Portland, along with Raven of course.
When I was a kid, all we had access to was the WWF because I was in NYC. But I used to read the wrestling magazines, so I knew who all the big stars were from all the territories. I remember when Terry Taylor came in, and I was thinking "this is gonna be great" because I knew he was a big star elsewhere. And, yeah, the red rooster. They also did nothing with Rick Martel, former awa champion. And so many others
So you think they should have brought in a guy in his 50s that had several chances over the years when he could have been pushed and been successful to come in and beat their top talent? How would that of been fair? They gave him respect by bringing him in at that age despite him never working for them and put him in the HOF and he was on some PPVs against top guy/s which means guys who worked there for years weren’t working or getting paid those nights, sounds ridiculous to me that anyone thinks he deserved more…. I mean he got pretty badly injured from a move that a younger guy likely wouldn’t have been hurt from which pretty much proves he shouldn’t have been there.
Yea if sting would've came in anytime from the 80s to 2000s yea I agree he would've deserved a push. But to come in at 50 something you can't expect no main event pushes. Sting was my favorite as a kid too
Sting would never have been used the right way in WWE and he knew it. That’s why he didn’t go when WCW got purchased by WWE. I’m not sure why he went later in his career unless it was for the money.
Raven, you're 100% spot-on, dude! They embarrassed these fine Wrestlers...and why? Because Vince McMahon didn't like them, or something? They didn't deserve to be treated like that!
The same thing with Dusty Rhodes and Harley Race: gave Dusty the "Poke-a-Dot" gimmick,and gave Harley the "King" gimmick. Both gimmicks were absolute jokes!
My feelings exactly, Vince would make the stars of the smaller wrestling outfits offers that financially they couldn't turn down, and then either make fools out of them, or just plain put them on a shelf til they were forgotten
I remember watching Raven here in Portland at what used to be known as Portland Wrestling and he went by the name of Scotty the body. Those were the good days of wrestling back in the early 90’s
They did the very same thing just a few years ago when AEW announced their start. They signed ALL of the top Indies, tied them up for multi year deals, and misused almost every single one of them. Nothing has changed
I met Raven at a Horror convention. He was really cool. We talked at length about how we missed the territories. We did have a disagreement about David Von Erich. He didn't like DVE's mic work but I wanted to be a wrestler because of David Von Erich, who was supposed to win the NWA title from Ric Flair and reign as champion for a year.
Even as a kid I could see this. Dusty Rhoades, the American Dream, a champion and they gave him polka dots. He wore it, he did it but Vince wasn't looking for others
I hated how WCW used him. I'm hardly a booker, but I think Raven would have been better playing to the malevolent aspects he'd built in the character - as a cult leader if they wanted to go that way, and even as a singles contender. The "what about Raven" gimmick was really cringey. I haven't seen what he did in ECW and after around '98 in WCW, one day I'll sit down and go through it.
I liked the long hair, grunge like, rock~n~roll, Raven. Be a good image today for a wrestler to use. I recall as a kid seeing Raven and thinking.. he ain't that big, and the kids at the time sorta have that image.. maybe I could be a wrestler one day like him. Then life smacked me around.
Exactly. Vince is the most overrated booker ever. None of his ideas were good. He stole everything & then claimed credit. If he hadn't inherited Madison Square Garden relationships and the largest territory financially in the country as a third-generation promoter he would not have done anything.
I don’t recall anyone having a “booker” title in wwf/e it’s always been writers, talent, and agents create storylines and matches and Vince had final approval.
mad respect for Scotty to be straightforward so these men can receive recognition for their unjust career fates and hopefully so people understand the big company right now got that way destroying as much as creating
Vince McMahon made the late Matt Borne into "Doink The Clown" who was "Big Josh" when he was in NWA/WCW. Big Josh was the former NWA 6 Man Tag Team Champion in WCW.
Man raven has one of the best minds in wrestling i loved him in ecw and wcw with the flock i wish wwf would have done something with him instead of just jobbing him out
I completely forgot about Terry Taylor and I remember being a huge fan when he was in the UWF. I don’t even remember him being in the WWF. That’s horrible.
Terry Taylor, and the " polka dot" Dusty Rhodes stand out to me the most. They both deserved better. Now.....in defense of Vince in this regard; under the umbrella of the WWF, Undertaker,& Razor Ramon were conceived. Two career defining character moves.
When he first brought Austin in. He told him just to wear his old WCW ring gear. And Austin thought to himself what the hell kind of plans do you have for me?!
Agreed. The Bushwhackers were savages during their territory runs. The WWF turned them into a real life Sat morning cartoon. The One Man Gang was another, they turned him into a hipster. Maniac Matt Borne was turned into Frickin Doink the Clown. And potentially the greatest travesty of them all was when they tried to turn the Road Warriors PG friendly with that damned Rocko Puppet. Not to mention having them job to Vince's own knock off version of the Road Warriors, Demolition. Two guys who looked like they could've been the Road Warriors' dads. Vince lived for sh*tting on everyone elses talent. Besides Booker T, name one wrestler that survived the initial WWE buyout of WCW? Goldberg came through years later.
@@slick_Ric Benoit and Eddie had left WCW a few years before the WCW acquisition and were considered "Vince's guys" by then. RVD is a great call out though. He, like Booker T, had to earn his spot. He was over with the fans the day he walked into the building, but it's widely known that several of the top guys (HBK/Kurt Angle) had issues with his unique style. He reportedly, worked very stiff and was considered a "potato" master. But yeah, the fact that he stayed over with the fans meant that they (The WWE) couldn't keep him stagnant for long.
Let's not forget Dean Douglas! Shane was an awesome talent who could have been a huge star in WWF if he was given the right spot in the company and the right push. Vader also😢
Killing the territories ruining the overall product in his company. Once you don't have true competition you don't have anyone to challenge you to be great. We see it now in the lousy product they have now
