RC CAR Cheat or are they just Good

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Are they cheating or are they just better drivers... Mark and Carl finally back to London when they popalong to the amazing iconic cup. This competitions see's 120 drivers racing at 6 fantastic venues across the UK. This Tamiya event has to be one of the best and biggest Tamiya race series in the world. But there are a few drivers that are just better than everyone else and it seems their cars are quicker than the rest ... we dod some race analysis and see where they are winning.
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@davemacaulay5487 11 дней назад

Some people can really drive.Some people can really setup a car.And the you get a few who can seriously do both. And they are allways a pleasure to watch.

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

true

@Ozzy3333333 3 часа назад

@@davemacaulay5487 yes, I totally agree, and you need sponsorship to get the great motor/battery. When the scr1400 came out, I was already a few years into optimizing zapping cells and had my procedure down pretty good. I got 36 new cells and properly cycled them, zapped (75v 58,000uF 4,000 amp pulse) at the correct SoC, cap check and ranked my cells 1 to 36, top 6 was my A main pack and so on. The majority of people thought I was cheating with motor mods, over 3 years I had 24 motors popped and paid for. They looking in the wrong place, great advantage.

@Ozzy3333333 2 часа назад

Regarding motors, i made a flywheel dyno in 87, many years before they were sold, i told no one and tested many things, like reluctance vs rpm/torque, brush compounds/cuts/serated, spring tension, bushing/bearing oil, arm config, comm drops (and a hidden reservoir in the brush), to name some. I was cutting comm's long before it was the norm. Since i did not want to bring and show my lathe, i would prep 3 to 5 motors (1 for each run)

@heady2008 9 дней назад

Great video and kudos for all the editing work involved in producing it. We have drivers in our carpet club who you'd think were running a slot car as their lines are so close lap after lap

@Ozzy3333333 2 часа назад

@@heady2008 12th carpet was where I got good and shined, great memories. Then 10th scale came out and ruined it. Was 8 minutes, 3 qual and main for 32 minutes, now 4 minutes, 2 qual and main = 12 minutes total

@mjrocketsurgeon 11 дней назад

Nice comparison. If you run wide on a few corners (maybe trying to take them too fast) and you lose 5m per lap (or travel 5m further) - over a 20 lap race that's 100m lost....the fast guys are usually the most consistent.......

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

true that

@tamiyauk 10 дней назад

Another awesome video guys, that comparison really highlights the difference the driving line makes 👍

@areadierc2803 11 дней назад

Spence is a good driver , even Your Rostrum position can play a part in hitting apex on some corners and not on others.

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

that is very true ..

@joeromani9108 11 дней назад

I like the indepth video breakdown of the laps. IMO it is better than rhyming off upgrades.

@coygtrc 11 дней назад

Very interesting vid 😮 May I have a suggestion, maybe try to put the "approximate" split time of each sections of your analysis ? 😇 Keep up the good work 👏

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

maybe next time

@philapps3805 11 дней назад

this was very interesting and made me think about recording my laps and studying my line on the track's many thanks

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

do it

@lo2713 11 дней назад

Having track time is the key i think, or. Just having that knack. I have neither 😂 but i have fun. Watching back footage is a great help esp if you can see the faster guys. Ive found myself behind a faster driver and even trying to follow there line, i just cant. So car set up does play a part, esp when your racing off road. One can may ride a bump the other may get a little kick. Great video as allways guys 👌

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

Cheers buddy

@bod3000 10 дней назад

Nice. Enjoyed split screen. Imagine it took bit more editing work than usual

@PopalongRC 10 дней назад

Not really as just a different layout

@davetrcracing 11 дней назад

It would be interesting to do a static video from the rostrum. And put a ghost layer overlay of different cars to compare the lines. I might see if i can do it at halifax for a top stock and a bottom stock heat

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

we have done it before and can do it again.

@richardsmith-halvorsen2978 11 дней назад

Great video. It's always awkward to realise that you have to eat humble pie sometimes. It's so easy to call out bad tools, when most of the time, it really comes down to setup for the conditions and accurate driving skill. Keep up the good work

@GeeShocker 11 дней назад

And by watching and analyzing them you can get better yourself.

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

cheers buddy

@MichaelH-f9c 11 дней назад

Spencer was doing this in pre-brushless days when there was a 27turn stock TC class. Stock has always been about being able to carry the speed. Top drivers are able to hit the lines consistently and have the car set-up to do that. You have to see the difference is between your best lap and your average, tidying things up on the sticks/wheel can bring about the biggest gains in time. They are faster than me, therefore they must be cheating is probably the oldest item in the drivers excuse book.

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

he can drive that is for sure

@paulbarnett7196 10 дней назад

not to mention now, most modern esc now have the ability to record data on your manufacturers mobile app so you can also analyse the data to see where you can improve and where you are doing well

@SamBalducci 11 дней назад

It is all about practice and more practice. When I was a teenager, I raced carts and then when I was in my 20s, I did SCCA racing. The fast guys were always the people with the most seat time on the track. There was one person I carted against who was blazing fast. His family also owned a farm and had made a carting track on the property. He practiced every day. He was good enough to later be sponsored and race in the NASCAR ARCA division. Today I am old and race RC cars. The fast guys are still the guys who race the most. Not me, between work, family and caring for elderly parents not only do I not race every weekend my practice is race day and that is it. While there are a few that are naturally good at eye hand coordination, most of us need time and practice. The other fast guy at our RC track is a 62 yrs old. He is retired. He is on the track every day to the point that if the owner needs to leave for some tasks, he runs the shop for free. Practice is important. However, if you are having fun and do not care about winning, you have already won the race. It is Afterall a hobby not a profession.

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

we are the fun ones

@Robert-gy4lv 11 дней назад

Spencer told me when I first started the secret to a good lap would come after I did a thousand laps 😁

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

RC guru stuff right there

@barrycheesemore2928 11 дней назад

I'm an average driver at best, and sometimes I wonder if other people are perhaps bending the rules, but they are just better than me. It's all down to skill as a driver, and being able to setup the car properly. At the end of the day, as long as you enjoy it, does it matter where you finish?

@geoffburnham3967 10 дней назад

Really interesting. Keep up the good work.

@PopalongRC 10 дней назад

Will do

@TastierBackInThe80s 11 дней назад

I think Mr A3 abuses the track limits riding the rumbles just before the last corner, where as Mark doesn't. Do that a few times, and the tenths start to stack up. Great racing though Mark.

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

fine line Carl tried it in the final and it did not work out

@martinyardley2565 11 дней назад

Great vid, loved the track position comparison.

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

thanks

@johnp99550 11 дней назад

Great analysis, we can all learn from this 👍

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

cheers bud

@joergerich 9 дней назад

Great video and a great start of a series (hopefully 😜) From my experience in racing a rookie class there these dream teams of sons and dads. Dad as the mechanic gathering all resources of set up tips and techniques bringing stoic thoroughness and precision on the table while son is eager to race and has better reflexes and learning abilities to adapt to better driving. These teams are unbeatable. And winner of hearts anyway from my view.

@PopalongRC 7 дней назад

Need my son to want to get involved and I will become pit dad

@joergerich 7 дней назад

@@PopalongRC yep, same here. Two sons and still trying to get them into RC…

@oopster74 11 дней назад

When i ran my m03 at Stafford with the Ferrari Dino shell, I was a lot faster down the straight than the others in my heat, and I reckon that was more down to aero of the bodyshells

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

shell will defo make a difference

@oopster74 11 дней назад

@PopalongRC I was going to run a new Beetle shell, but then saw a video you did about aerodynamics and thought again.

@millhouse2612 11 дней назад

See ya in South Hants. Gonna also run Sunday only. Looks like a tight track, so keeping clean lines will be even more important.

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

see you then

@Ozzy3333333 20 часов назад

At 4:13 the double left, mark is a mile wide, easily losing about ~0.2 seconds in just them turns. You have to hit the marks (a few inches from the dots) consistently, for the whole run. Look at your lap times, and how consistent they are, they should be ~0.1 lap to lap (toss them into excel and plot them, your mistake will pop out at you). If you into improving your driving, My favorite book of all 30+ racing (setup/design/driving) books I have is: The soft science of road racing motorcycles, it teaches high speed thought, and it works, its about $5 used on ebay. A motorcycle you need to pay attention to 5 things during racing, cars is only 2, very easy to apply this book knowledge to rc cars (compared to racing motorcycles). My favorite is 12th scale (rc12lw) carpet on a tight track, 480 seconds and finish your lap, the good tracks we were doing more than 600 turns in a race, got to be consistent. I have 280+ A main wins, a handful nationals and 2nd at the worlds, I quit in 2004 and did PC sim (not arcade) online racing for 11 years.

@PopalongRC 19 часов назад

Great advice Will take a look

@teamxray1001 11 дней назад

Don’t forget spence won the 17.5 TC national at wlrc and has raced there for 20+ yrs. I know as I raced him for most of those years. He could probably drive it with his eyes closed 😂

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

that is some credentials right there

@leedavies2267 11 дней назад

Fantastic big wooden spoon video, love it guys you are nailing it. Shame it has become what it has but that is a long heated story😅

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

cheers Lee

@andycrute7350 11 дней назад

Great video again 👍

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

Thanks again!

@kanenstuff 11 дней назад

What a funny comment. Thats the difference between podium and Mark 😂

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

truth hurts ahahha

@Gavs_rc_hobbies 11 дней назад

There are those who have a knack for setting their car up. There are those who get a lot of time to practice. And unfortunately there, are those who who cheat in very sneaky ways and I have come across quite a few of those people and its sad that they cheat in order to win a plastic trophy....

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

hahaha

@xXYannuschXx 9 дней назад

Friend of mine told me a story: a few years ago when he was still racing he won against somebody you could best describe as a "sore loser". The guy even went so far to say that my friend cheated. In the end they tore down both rc cars and found out that the motor the sore loser used was modified and had fewer turns. He literally cheated and couldnt win against somebody playing fair and was entitled enough to call HIM a cheater... some people are unbelievable...

@Gavs_rc_hobbies 9 дней назад

@xXYannuschXx yeah I have a somewhat similar story. Many years ago some friends and I went to Sydney for a gairly big on road race event. One of the classes I entered was the Tamiya Mini class (so all the tamiya M chassis). I could keep pace quite well around the track until I would get onto the pit straight and back straight where I would have the doors blown off my mini by 4 of the local drivers. Everyone would get lapped by them, and you would be haldown the straight and they would just blow right past you like you had your park brake stuck on. A few weeks after the event i found out (and this was when we were using Tamiya sport tuned motors as a control motor) what those cheating bastards were doing was they would get the sport tuned motor and carefully twist the endbell on the can (as it wasn't fixed in place like a johnson motor) and advanced the timing, so instead of getting 23,000rpm out of the motor, they were getting and extra 10,000rpm out of it........🙄

@SonnyBurnett85 11 дней назад

Stating the obvious, but set-up is so important. I definitely finish much further up the order when a car behaves despite being an average driver. That A3 car is definitely planted well.

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

set up and skill sums it up

@atomart_rc 11 дней назад

Really good analysis.

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

cheers buddy hope to see you trackside soon mate

@spedajunkie2474 11 дней назад

There is one skill I have yet to master is: patience and throttle control. Patience has something to do with timing in turning and throttle control is how you manage your throttle without braking. I see a lot of my RC professional driver friends do with throttle control whilst I usually brake a lot 😂 And more practice for sure 👌🏻

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

Well said!

@samuelstrauss5119 11 дней назад

Brilliant video

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

thanks

@IconicRC 11 дней назад

Nice one, chaps.

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

Thank you kindly

@martinreeder6392 11 дней назад

No practice at South Hants? Thats a brave move 🤣

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

It’s the Popalong way

@ILoveMyBikes 11 дней назад

I am intermediate at best but I bet that A3 drivers car has traveled a shorter distance. It doesn’t matter if you have the same speed if you are driving further. He was hitting apexes better on the first half.

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

excactly that. with such a wide sweeper it is meters of lost ground

@theadventuresofbellatheenf4627 11 дней назад

Mark tune the car better and keep to the race line keep it clean on track you should know this after lmp 12 scale

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

Knowing what to do and being able to deliver are two completely different things

@user-lj1iv5ns7j 10 дней назад

Hi Carl. Over able to overlay the 2 images

@PopalongRC 10 дней назад

Yes

@themightyintercept6572 11 дней назад

and the link to Mark'sTT01 is.....??

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

now added

@zoemccabe4059 10 дней назад

Can you do a car overlay like a ghost car in a video game as you would really see the difference in lines.

@PopalongRC 10 дней назад

we have done this in previous videos which works really well but need to have static camera for it to be affective.

@Ultegra10SPD 11 дней назад

Spec is a dirty word and this joke called ‘stock’ is right up there. Mod fixes things. Oddly enuff i looked at tamiya prospec tt02, priced it out, and laughed at the cost. Another reason i am still out of racing. -U10

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

Haha

@deanmurphy-brown4452 11 дней назад

Our top bloke smashed his awesomatix in half during a heat on one of our pizza night Fridays not so long ago. So he whipped his off road buggy out for the final, pretty sure he won that. There's no substitute for skill.

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

and were can we get some of this skill you speak of.

@deanmurphy-brown4452 11 дней назад

You know where, Adur 😀 Let us know when you're coming next and I'll get you a scotch egg that's so good it'll make your hair go curly.

@grrfy 11 дней назад

the lead red car drove straight over the chicane at the end of the lap, made no effort whatsoever to go around it, all 4 wheels off track by a lot,looks like cheating to me tbh.Thast must give a huge increase in speed along the straight.

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

As both cars top out quite earlyOn the straight cars are evenly matched but it was the speed into the straight that was significantly different ..

@grrfy 9 дней назад

@@PopalongRC yeah that was what i was trying to say top speed over all the straight rather than part of it, due to higher entry speed from not reducing speed to take the corner.Speed meaning overall elapsed time along the straight.cheating.

@ianjohnhorwood2605 11 дней назад

you could be the best driver in the world , but the car has to better any drivers ability the way the whole car can handle a track at any speed , and instant transmitter / receiver / servo control . Some RC'S handle like they are on rails , and they don't even posses ground effect down force . Yep , your car has to be as top notch a performer as is absolutely possible , as well as a control driver getting the very best lap control out of a car on any lap scenario . The car has to be a high tech technical tour de force round any track . The Performance of a bad car isn't going to best a good car on a track either . For example , We all know that a stock tamiya TT-02 chassis is a pretty dire wonky loose parts package , and you can't really make an excellent technical works racing car tour de force out of a sows ear of RC package 🤔 . In racing , absolutely everything about a cars whole performance as well as a driver absolutely matters . Think formula one performance , but with AN OUTSTANDING RC 🤔 . Nothing comes for free , takes engineering time , and money 🤔 . Is this overkill ? , in racing , ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IS OVERKILL 🤔 .

@PopalongRC 11 дней назад

Your not wrong