Reacting to Andrew Huang's Top 10 Plugins of 2023 

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i was surprised by it too tbh... it was like he wasn't giving those plugins the time of day... cause to me someone who doesn't make traditional music all those plugins with the exception of Live and Andrew's plugin would be really hand tbh.

i agree 100%

There’s a reason bro sells a hoodie labeled Massive Hater

This dude just rips off Andrew Huang and Benn Jordan and others who are real musicians and have built huge audiences you YT. Hate these "comment videos" or whatever they are. Weak.

nah andrew’s just a shill

@@izackpaz 2 things can be true at the same time

He speaks truth, but is also a crab.

If you accept him for what he is- a product influencer- then his vids can be useful. I've never found his personal discography very engaging because it doesn't feel like there's anything there, no soul to it, just technical proficiency and finding use cases for products. Some of his Suture Sound stuff manages to let more earnest emotion creep in.

@made.online2149 yooy know I aught to give some credit where credit is due. Andrew has a considerable amount of knowledge when it comes to analog processing. And that shit isn't easy. I'm kot saying it's good. It's very generative lol. But I'll give some credit at least.

Huang is a self-proclaimed entry-level creator. Mocking him is like turning on Sesame Street as an adult and mocking the characters because you already know how to count and spell. It's not meant for you. I learned some basics from him and don't watch him anymore. I think, relative to other creators who make comperable content to his, he's pretty fair, genuinely knowledgeable, and transparent. I watched the top 10 plug-in video which is featured in this video and I don't think I downloaded anything out of it, but I also recognize that it wasn't meant for me and it saddens me to see a Creator watch a video like this with the express intention of searching for things to disagree with. It's just a very hostile, borderline antisocial way of engaging with his videos. Like he's really grasping for straws whining about affiliate links. It saddens me because I really agree with a lot of these types of creators who are pushing against the commercialized music production industry but I find them to all have this unproductive pessimistic tone like in this video where it's just trashing on other creators but not offering any feasible solutions or alternatives. Like, I think that one knob plugins are bad for people who are learning these are production because they do not actually teach the skills and instead just offer a product which negates the ability to learn the actual Theory. But instead of actually taking a moment to fully explain what these plugins do, how they might be oversold or which other skills or effects could be used in their place, this guy among many many other creators just insult the creator in question? It's all built upon the logical fallacy of "brutal honesty". That's not an actual official logical fallacy but it's something that I've written about before, and it's rhetorically similar to the argument of "dark humor". Creators this lean into this assumption that just because they're being rude, it means they're somehow being more objective or honest than if they were to be polite. I think it's really cool that Andrew Huang included his own plug-in and made sure to disclaim that it was his own plug-in and actually took the time to explain in his video how each of the plugins work. This creator's response to that was to say that's "shitty" of him to include his own plug in his own video even though it's heavily disclaimed. Why? Imagine me sitting here criticizing, "Why are you posting your own videos on your own RU-vid channel... Like... so desperate for attention like why do you want people to watch your videos so badly? If your videos are really that good then why don't other people post them?" It's a lot easier and less vulnerable to just be rude for no reason (aka bullying) when you can hide behind the excuse of "I'm just speaking the truth" etc. This guy is ultimately trying to make money off of trends, too. Offering to shave your eyebrows off as a reward for a subscriber goal is... embarrassing. Basically just admitting he has nothing left to offer other than to make a fool of himself, move further away from making real content of quality, towards devolving into yet another righteous-bullying channel. It's what all creators are doing nowadays once they run out of ideas. Just make videos that are stream highlights where you watch videos of other creators and point and laugh and make fun of them for a living. Instead of making his own videos about his own advice and tips about music creation, he's going for the low hanging fruit by just being mean to other creators who are out there working and making original content to say "look I'm better! At least I don't make that!". The irony that he's riding the largest media trend by making "righteous bullying" content while trying to posture like others are the culprits of cashing out on trends. He's SO not like the other girls that he's not even like the other girls who are not like the other girls.

@@shummersExactly my thought. The only thing I’ll add is that as an end user, viewer, casual producer, it’s all information. There’s the good, the bad, and the ugly, and there is information in all of it. The truth is always in between. I value both approaches and the justice is the growth of the channels, the community around them, and the companies choosing who to work with. Huangs whole world is music and plugins, weavers whole world is criticism and apathy. I have moods that appreciate either.

​​​@@shummersWeaver is criticising Andrew including his own plugin because it's a list of Andrew's Best of the Year. It's a bit egotistical to include your own plugin in a list of what you consider to be the best. It's unnecessary and just serves as another place in which to advertise something. Change the topic to best producers of 2023 and imagine Andrew listing himself as one of the best - there's nothing inherently wrong with that, but for people that dislike shill/business focused and/or constant self-promoting behaviour on their media its a major turn off. That's the perspective I think needs to be taken for this situation. I do agree that Weaver is a bit overly negative sometimes and that he uses "honesty" or "authenticy" as a cope for it. But his content personality is his, in the same way as Andrew's is uniquely his. Maybe stop typing university papers in RU-vid and just make some music bro, it's really fun, trust me. I look forward to reading your next thesis on 2 hours. Happy typing❤

Not even close to being worse than sponsored content. Affiliate links are basically a percentage based commission, versus sponsored ads being paid to shill. Weaver is absolutely wild for making such a claim, I don't agree with it in any way shape or form

The jealous high school girl vibes here are super cringe.

We got that for fl studio as well, separate any audio file into stems using AI.

@@ericktellez7632 I'd use higher order symplectic integration with something like the spectral editing tools in RipX *cough FL studio update hint?*. That's one issue RipX gets ripped off for, I mean that thing is made for ripping tracks and such, but when I contacted them and asked about their policies, an ai support thingy replied.

​@@ericktellez7632 absolutely love that addition. I use a whole bunch of DAWS but find myself favouring FL because of how ahead of the game it seems to be. Ableton live is just starting to copy FL with 12

I got down on cardinal. Free free free.

For the last 3 months, I've woken up and deleted 10 to 20 emails from audio companies that I bought or downloaded software, or ever bought hardware from. Every single email about how it's my last chance to get 83% off something I don't want.

@@JethroDAvis024agreed. Cardinal is brilliant and VCV free is fine too.

There are great plugins to buy... I bought a ton of creative plugins year end and every one of them has upgraded my production! I don't buy synthesizers or "mixing" plugins though. Mostly creative stuff like pitch shifters, and innovative stuff.

could you give some examples which ones you liked? im looking for the same kind of softwares

Who has time to make music, when it's more profitable to talk shyt about those that _do?_ 😕

@@crnkmnky profitable.. indeed, there’s two kinds of artists, those who feel the need to create, and those who think making music is about making money.. sad, innit..

yeah i agree, it's really good

Solaris god ❤ but maybe a shimmer Reverb is more for certain types of music?

No plugin should be considered to win best drveloper unless it's available to all platforms imo.

☮️ *Right on!* 🫂

Yes!

what about me wanting to plugin you? 😋

Lmfao exactly

Hear that Minimal Audio your pricing is going to wreck you sson

I really didn't vibe with the presets, they all sounded like something off the soundtrack to a European Netflix import. Maybe you can get a broader sound palette by building your own patches though?

haha that is a good description of the presets I feel you. yea you can definitely get different sounds out of it with your own design, but the way it works is not very predictable-in my experience, it's best to just mess around with it and find new tones that way rather than, say, trying to get it to give you a supersaw-style lead like the one you might hear in your head,@@rockstar-technology

He don’t deserve to know about it lol polyverse plugins are all unique and stunning. People saying otherwise just don’t know how they work 😅

@@lacertaemusic na, weaver is lit, prob skipped it cus he thought it was a normal filter 😅

@@BeutNoise He would have realized it wasn't a regular filter if he didn't skip over it.

Keep an eye on Polyverse regarding this

I felt that

Some will insist that you are "calling out the BS." It seems to me you're just performing a live hate-fest for your Twitch audience. I took me a long time to subscribe to WB1. Moving Weaver Nightly News to WB2 is the only thing that could make me subscribe to… this.

Have you seen Weaver's video on Acustica Audio?

@@AshleyKampta2 i have

@@RhugginsDo you think this technology may improve their plugins performance and hard drive space? I always liked their older stuff like Nebula, but I can’t justify the hard drive space and raw power requirements at the moment. What are your experiences with their plugins? Are they too power- and space-hungry for you?

@@AshleyKampta2 one of the reasons I upgraded my computer was to use their plugins. Funny enough, with the improvements to space and processing efficiency of the newer ones I dont need a ultra powerful machine to run them. Im still happy I did, as not having to freeze ever is great. But yes thats one of the things the ceo was boasting about, the improvements to performance. It also depends on the DAW. In Ableton on my old build I couldnt even run 2 AA plugins. When I switched to Reaper for mixing, I could run 10-15. Now on the new build its not an issue

I just picked up "Transit" about a week ago, and I absolutely LOVE it! Yeah, you could get the same or similar effects with HOURS of tweaking dozens of plugins in an effects chain, but with Transit I can get the same result in 5 - 10 minutes. It's a HUGE time saver for me, and it's useful for so many more situations than just creating transitions, as you can build up and automate effects with ease across your track.

Yeah I feel like he kinda threw in the towel on his channel at some point and not it’s basically just the occasional promotional video. I mean man’s been at it for like a decade so I get it somewhat, but it does feel kinda like he’s exploiting the platform he’s built a bit

some ppl preffer subscription dont forget that, not everyone has the money right handed to fully buy the plugin in one go.....

@@cristianoalveirinho5303 a rent to own option is the solution, that's what they do now.

@@cristianoalveirinho5303 also I don't mind if a company offers a subscription but no option for a perpetual is no good.

Saaaame - I hate the UI

There's a free plugin that does basically what genopatch does, for Vital. I dont' quite remember the name but should be easy to find out EDIT: called micromusic, haven't tested it so YMMV

@@daguito81 Oh yeah, I actually did come across that a few weeks ago. Didn't try it because the app is PC only and I'm on Mac, but I just noticed they've since added a web-app version to their website, so I gave it a try and ran a few samples into it. It can only do super simple sounds right now, which I can do manually myself, so probably won't use it much.... though I have gotten some interesting unexpected results feeding more complex sounds into it. Nothing like the original sample, but could be a fun way to get some inspiration as a starting point for a patch. The devs have acknowledged it's pretty limited right now and said it was a very early version with more to come, so hopefully they continue working on it. For something made by a couple college kids I'm pretty impressed, and it's cool of them to put it out for free.

that is why you don't watch the originals, just Weaver's reactions

weaver is such a downer tho like i like andrew and yeah promos annoying but it aint that bad everyone gotta make money somehow just cause weaver dont like doing promos doesnt mean it makes u a bad person @@apoplexiamusic

That's what I thought. That seems to be why people don't really talk about Objekt…

This 👆🏼

Honestly I feel like he’s kinda “through with YT” for lack of better terms. He made really great content for like over a decade, and I think he’s kind of past that phase of his life, started a family, developing plugins, he is doing a collaboration project with Rob Scallon, and more he’s kinda just using his platform as a means of promoting things.

without a doubt. honestly most of my favorite plugins interfaces are boring or even ugly lol. looks can be deceiving

He was much cooler a few years ago, one of my favorite music youtubers, really passionate and interesting stuff, but he’s been at it for over a decade, and it seems he’s kinda “done” with RU-vid, like moved on with his life, and he’s almost just using the platform he built over the years to occasionally promote his stuff. He is doing a somewhat interesting series on RU-vid right now with Rob Scallon, possibly a bit corny, I’m not super aware of it, but yeah.

@@KnzoVortex i completely agree