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@TheWyldKarde
@TheWyldKarde 3 года назад
A rare example of holodeck safeties actually functioning properly.
@dragonrune6800
@dragonrune6800 3 года назад
🤣🤣
@terrellkirkman2078
@terrellkirkman2078 3 года назад
I kind of like that the issue who was inappropriate was left unresolved. Wait, wait, hear me out! In the real world two people can recall the same events, both be telling the truth and still not agree on what happened. I admire that the writers went out of the way to say she's not lying. And to show a scenario where they are both flirting. Knowing Riker, he wouldn't force himself on anyone. But he also wouldn't resist as strongly as he portrayed if an attractive woman was flirting with him. In my head cannon, they were probably flitting with each other, they both knew it was wrong. So when the kiss happened they both stopped it. The guilt they felt colored both of thier memories. Each saw themselves as the victim.
@gluuuuue
@gluuuuue 3 года назад
This is kinda that Memento thing, that memory isn't as perfect as people think and often want to assume.
@francisbartoszewski2284
@francisbartoszewski2284 3 года назад
This episode shows exactly why our justice system should always be innocent until proven guilty.
@fakecubed
@fakecubed Год назад
And why witness testimony should not be enough in any trial, without physical evidence to back it up.
@julioverne579
@julioverne579 Год назад
And not only the justicesystem but also we observers should act on this premise
@davedove67
@davedove67 3 года назад
That's why it's called "A Matter of perspective". It's said that if 100 people witness something, you will have at least 100 different stories and each will believe their story is the true one. That's why trials can be so messy. It's real life.
@WilliamPitcher
@WilliamPitcher 3 года назад
And this is why prosecutors say a case with 'circumstantial' evidence can be stronger than eyewitness testimony.
@docsavage8640
@docsavage8640 2 года назад
Most cases only have circumstantial evidence. "Witnesses" are frequently wrong.
@Adam-ov5ie
@Adam-ov5ie 3 года назад
I suspect it's probable that the interaction between RIker and Manua was somewhere in between both versions. Riker probably wasn't anywhere near as forceful as Manua remembered and Manua anywhere near as forward as Riker remembered, but the different versions are a....matter of perspective, as the title suggests rather than deliberate deception. How we view ourselves is really important to how we perceive any interaction or event, so it's important to remember that the other person also has their own perspective and it's independent of our own. As Katrina pointed out, communicating our thoughts and feelings is vital in letting others see our side of things and understand our perspective. It's the only way really...short of being a Betazed I suppose.
@Helbore
@Helbore 3 года назад
I think part of the problem with the "rape," subplot is that what's depicted isn't entirely a matter of perspective. ie; Riker's view - its possible he saw himself as coming off more professional and distant than she saw it. He's a charming man and whilst I don't believe he would intentionally flirt with a married woman, his general demeanor is probably more flirtatious than he realises. Dr Apgar's view - this is relayed through a third-party, so the idea of Riker and Maneua kissing could simply be an exaggeration of Apgar seeing his wife and Riker looking like they were flirting. Him knocking Riker on his ass was quite obviously a lie concocted by a man with a bruised ego. Maneua's view - she straight-up claims that Riker's physically restrained her and tried to pull her dress off against her will. That ISN'T a matter of perspective. That either happened or it didn't. It would have made more sense to have her acting all shy and innocent, with Riker flirting like a horny schoolboy, perhaps standing too close and invading her personal space. That is the sort of thing that could come down to misinterpretation and perspective. But backing her into a corner and pulling her clothes off as she begs him to stop....no. You can't really leave that as "open to interpretation."
@edh9999
@edh9999 3 года назад
That is exactly what I hate about this episode, but much better phrased than I could have. The very idea that Riker would do something that vile, is simply absurd.
@edh9999
@edh9999 3 года назад
@renideo Yes, that is true in real life, but we are talking about William Riker, not Ted Bundy.
@peregrine5327
@peregrine5327 2 месяца назад
That's sort of true, but it's entirely possible she remembers it as happening that way, and it didn't.
@jonathanross149
@jonathanross149 3 года назад
People make the worst witnesses. I don't think anyone was lying, but everyone edits the past.
@Tantalus010
@Tantalus010 3 года назад
Yup - more often than most people realize (or want to acknowledge). It actually leaves me scratching my head as to why we still admit eyewitness testimony as evidence in court. If it were up to me, I wouldn't allow any eyewitness testimony that wasn't corroborated by hard evidence.
@MrEvers
@MrEvers 3 года назад
always funny how the emotionless android calls Picard's art "unsettling"
@justinplayfair4638
@justinplayfair4638 3 года назад
"I'm so excited right now!"...Katrina mirroring my thoughts about *next week's* reaction exactly...
@jonathanross149
@jonathanross149 3 года назад
That 9.2 rating on next weeks episode does not lie.
@JohnnyRaven69
@JohnnyRaven69 3 года назад
Yeah, one of the best TNG episodes ever
@ZipplyZane
@ZipplyZane 3 года назад
Since she sees the titles anyways, I'm going to guess which one this is. Does it contain the word Yesterday?
@justinplayfair4638
@justinplayfair4638 3 года назад
@@ZipplyZane Oh yeah...
@Spiderbloke
@Spiderbloke 3 года назад
@@ZipplyZane It's ok, she's seen it at this point in time. They mentioned it in the Denise Crosby/Gates McFadden Cameo video.
@PrimeCircuit
@PrimeCircuit 2 года назад
I think it is important to reflect on the difference between what people think and what they do. Even if Riker had wanted to come on to her, in his imagination he is free, but we know him as someone who does not act on impulses like that because he is a stronger character than this, as you said he likes consent in his personal interactions. The same for Manua: Maybe she felt threatened or maybe she wished for attention. Maybe she felt guilty about it or just in shock after the death of her husband? Troi's abilities may come in handy, but the impressions are just as misleading as every other sense. We feel within our thoughts just as much as we do within our actions and circumstances and sometimes we don't like the people we are inside and do better on the outside, immoral thoughts don't make immoral people.
@chillphysics
@chillphysics 3 года назад
Rashomon, the TNG episode. I think the unresolved nature of what happened in the Riker relationship is on purpose.
@mmattson8947
@mmattson8947 3 года назад
The question of, did he lie or did she lie, may have no correct answer. The problem is wanting to believe that a witness's viewpoint is accurate (so they are either lying or telling the truth), when science and psychology tell us it has problems. I remember the first time I watched the Simons and Chabris selective attention test. I would have sworn on a stack of Bibles that things didn't happen the way described. Then I watched the video over from the beginning, and wondered how I missed something so obvious.
@Fyrecide
@Fyrecide 3 года назад
@@mmattson8947 Is that the basketball passing one? I got that right, and also saw what they mentioned at the end as well. I mean, it happened RIGHT where I was looking so I am not sure why someone wouldn't see it. Maybe some people use a different method for tracking things happening in the scene but it seemed like a pretty pointless test to me.
@DaleRibbons
@DaleRibbons 3 года назад
I'm watching this on Feb. 2nd, 2021. A Facebook post said it's Brent Spiner's birthday.
@Devinn777
@Devinn777 3 года назад
I love Data’s brutal critique of Picard’s art, then Picard’s shade in response 😂
@brom00
@brom00 3 года назад
The way you ladies have been binging of the series, you have to have finished the season. Can't wait to see Kat's reaction to the rest, especially next week's episode, which I could have sworn came earlier then it does. BTW, a Happy Birthday to Brent Spiner today. He was great as Bob Wheeler on Night Court. Oh, yea, as well as that certain android he is on this show. ;-)
@rafetizer
@rafetizer 3 года назад
I'll bet he's sulking at home muttering under his breath about LeVar.
@karter95
@karter95 3 года назад
Bob Wheeler. And also Brother Adrian another brilliant role in Warehouse 13
@generalmehk
@generalmehk 3 года назад
I'm waiting for 3x15 as well Thinks it's only a week away
@ZipplyZane
@ZipplyZane 3 года назад
Paula, your audio is a bit quiet. Just letting you know in case you haven't dealt with it.
@gluuuuue
@gluuuuue 3 года назад
That's an amazing catch about the opening painting scene, Paula. And in real-time. I'd never thought about that before..!
@tomyoung9049
@tomyoung9049 3 года назад
always interesting when Star Trek has to interact with another planets 'legal system'. Even the original series touched on this at least once.
@DeltaAssaultGaming
@DeltaAssaultGaming 2 года назад
The “Justice” episode where Wesley gets sentenced to death for running into a bed of flowers was so bad.
@adambrown3918
@adambrown3918 3 года назад
It's a great episode. It's hard to capture all perspectives thoroughly in less than 60 minutes. A major frustration for TV writers. They did a good job despite its incompleteness. 😊
@GobelPaul
@GobelPaul 3 года назад
Fans of Breaking Bad will recognize Mark Margolis (Hector Salamanca) as the scientist in this episode. Ding!
@alexandercaldwell1411
@alexandercaldwell1411 3 года назад
He's a regular in Darren Aronofsky's films, such as Pi, Requiem for a Dream and The Fountain. Great actor.
@bcn1gh7h4wk
@bcn1gh7h4wk 3 года назад
oh! I knew that chin and bald head looked familiar. I neglected to account for the missing wrinkles.
@jeffborowiak9398
@jeffborowiak9398 3 года назад
Riker is into women that are into Riker.
@dragonrune6800
@dragonrune6800 3 года назад
You can stop at "women". 😂
@zairac2564
@zairac2564 3 года назад
The one thing we know about their culture is that they're fine with thinking the worst (guilty) about people without any proof. I don't want to chalk it up to a cross-cultural misunderstanding since Riker is trained for such things, but maybe he was doomed the second he stepped on the station because anything he did would be assumed, by both the wife and husband, to be inappropriate regardless of if it was or not. It sounds like an exhausting and crazy culture to constantly have to prove oneself to others, but maybe that's what they do all day. Maybe that group of 3 was a large group for them because they avoid each other as much as possible because they assume everyone is evil. A bunch of paranoids that would truly believe the worst would explain the simulation and Troi's perception. Though... maybe Troi could have picked up on some unease at being in a room with a bunch of humans if that were the case. 🤷
@MichaelJShaffer
@MichaelJShaffer 3 года назад
I believe "The Bonding" was a spec script by Moore but this episode was once he was hired as a staff writer. So you were right both times, Paula.
@peterschmidt4348
@peterschmidt4348 3 года назад
Today is February 2nd. So: Happy "Groundhog Day" !
@empirejeff
@empirejeff 3 года назад
From a certain point of view.
@airmaildolphin7013
@airmaildolphin7013 3 года назад
Gotta watch it fast in case CBS gets mean again! Glad to see you girls!
@ListerDavid
@ListerDavid 3 года назад
Ditto
@jonathanross149
@jonathanross149 3 года назад
Guilty until proven innocent. I am sure their prisons are full.
@fakecubed
@fakecubed Год назад
Yeah, very important they showed the unfairness of their legal system. Many today would like it if our system (in the US) was more like that planet's.
@kwdmiller3
@kwdmiller3 3 года назад
Troi can sense feelings and emotions as an empath, but she is not a lie detector.
@jonathanross149
@jonathanross149 3 года назад
It's not a lie if you believe it...even it it's not true.
@kwdmiller3
@kwdmiller3 3 года назад
I think that is one of the reasons lie detectors are not admissible in American courts
@Dravenfrost
@Dravenfrost 3 года назад
Starfleet personnel should have bodycams.
@Jar0fMay0
@Jar0fMay0 3 года назад
Surprised they don't have security camera on the station
@PrinceIMC
@PrinceIMC 3 года назад
This is one of the first episodes of TNG that I remember seeing as a child and definitely the first I ever saw with the holodeck. I had no idea it could do everything, I thought it was just for recreating crimes at first. I don’t think either Riker or Manua were lying. The truth was probably somewhere in between. Riker doesn’t think he was as flirty as he was in his report. And Manua didn’t realize how lonely she was or how much she was acting out over her neglectful husband. It’s partially to do with memory, they literally remember the events differently from their perspectives.
@mooseot
@mooseot 3 года назад
The idea of Paula trying to manually change the temp on the Weather app by accident cracked me up. Woulda been wild if it worked.
@YouHaventSeenMeRight
@YouHaventSeenMeRight 3 года назад
Fun fact: Krieger means warrior in German.
@gusb232
@gusb232 3 года назад
@7:30 That is Mark Margolis , Hector Salamanca from Breaking Bad .
@EnigmaticPenguin
@EnigmaticPenguin 3 года назад
Oh boy next week is gonna be a big one .
@seanred7681
@seanred7681 3 года назад
This is another story element that couldn't be told today for obvious reasons, but as a simple 'who dunnit', it's a good episode.
@karter95
@karter95 3 года назад
Next week is one of if not the greatest Star Trek episodes ever
@gregweatherup9596
@gregweatherup9596 3 года назад
I was on a jury for a trial involving sex-assault charges. I was very surprised that we (the jury) were informed that in such cases that the accusers claim alone can be sufficient to convict. That didn’t seem right to me. Luckily in this particular case the victim was very believable, the defendants counterclaims and defense was nonsensical, and there was additional circumstantial evidence, so none of us had any doubts about that aspect of the case (we did have some debates about other, non-sexual assault components of the case & charges). If it had come down to just her word versus his word, I couldn’t of, in good conscience, said “guilty beyond a reasonable doubt”. “Likely guilty”, sure, but not “beyond a reasonable doubt”. Yes, such false accusations are exceedingly rare, and statistically a particular given case wouldn’t be such, but it’s not non-existent. I have seen (in non-court settings) people suffer from false accusations before (not of a sexual assault nature mind) and they have no recourse, but in our jurisprudence system you are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Yes, that does unfortunately add yet another hurdle to prosecuting sex-assault cases when there are already several hurdles to doing so, and such crimes are amongst the most heinous tier of deprivations that humans can inflict upon one another, but I can’t justify lowering the evidentiary threshold to such a low level to simply always believing the accuser without further corroborating evidence. Until the stigma that keeps victims from going to the authorities rightaway (ie soon enough that forensic evidence can be collected) I don’t see how we can improve the prosecution rate for such crimes and put these disgusting people where they belong.
@gregweatherup9596
@gregweatherup9596 3 года назад
... Until the stigma... “is removed”... is what I meant to type. Sorry. I still don’t know how you edit a comment on YT.
@bustedsim
@bustedsim 3 года назад
@@gregweatherup9596 there should be three vertical dots either at the top or bottom right of your comment. Click that and a tiny menu shoild appear with "edit" at the top of it.
@gregweatherup9596
@gregweatherup9596 3 года назад
@Bustedsim thanks for the help but unfortunately I don’t see any 3 dots. If I click on the comment a menu does pop up, but “edit” is not one of the options. Maybe because I’m on safari on mobile? Do you need either the YT app or to be using a full computer to get that option?
@bustedsim
@bustedsim 3 года назад
@@gregweatherup9596 hmm. Been awhile since I've used safari, so I'm not sure how different it is from the app. And I'm blanking on how if the browseron my computer does it, which I can't check for awhile. Gotta be possible somehow though right? I'm sure we'll figure it out, might just take a bit. Good luck!
@gregweatherup9596
@gregweatherup9596 3 года назад
@@bustedsim due to an ongoing YT error I have had to (temporarily) download the app. It’s easy to edit in the app!
@JohnnyRaven69
@JohnnyRaven69 3 года назад
This episode is followed by many really good episodes
@GameCarpenter
@GameCarpenter Месяц назад
I love the conversation. Honestly, I think that's one of the reasons this is such a good episode is that it's very thought provoking. It shows how two people can experience the same thing and come to different conclusions - and how those conclusions might bias what they remember. Without being longwinded, I think the differences shown are generally differences between intent and action, perception and emotion, and the failures of memory as a medium of information storage in general.
@alphachimaera437
@alphachimaera437 3 года назад
Ahh yes, the episode with Mr Shikadance - the landlord from Ace Ventura!
@michaelshelton6512
@michaelshelton6512 2 года назад
The entire situation is described in the episode title. I learned long ago that there are 3 sides to every story and situation, in this case Riker's, the wife's and what actually happened.
@hemmojito
@hemmojito 2 года назад
"Based on this evidence I withdraw my request for commander Riker's extradition" Katrina: "Yeah you do!"
@AubreySciFi
@AubreySciFi 3 года назад
This is definitely Star Trek's attempt to do their version of "Rashomon". The classic Japanese film about several people who witness a murder and when questioned by the authorities, all tell different versions of what happened, based on their own perceptions and beliefs.
@jonathanross149
@jonathanross149 3 года назад
It's a pretty good episode, but it is sandwiched between some giants.
@Sagitarria
@Sagitarria 3 года назад
What I would want from this episode is that after this trial we get to see Federation restorative justice where Riker reflects on how he misunderstood her intentions.
@DavidBrown-xm8ou
@DavidBrown-xm8ou 3 года назад
And the countdown to next week is on!
@kageakuma3009
@kageakuma3009 3 года назад
Season 3 is great, I just can't wait for what comes later and seeing Katrina's reaction.
@jamesgoss1860
@jamesgoss1860 6 месяцев назад
Riker was holding back from his testimony. In her version, he makes reference to Rapunzel, which is unlikely for an alien to come up with on her own. The reality of that situation was somewhere in the middle. They were both into it in the moment, but were both remorseful about it and lying to themselves. And as Costanza once said "it's not a lie if you believe it"
@mmattson8947
@mmattson8947 3 года назад
Understandable that the GGs don't like "not knowing". But this was the late '80s-early 90's. The concept of "date rape" was still new. It would have been exceedingly difficult to wrap up that subplot in a respectful manner without it taking over the main story. (Especially when the writers had to push out a script in only 2 weeks on average to get to 26 episodes.) I decided that Riker flirts (a lot) more than he realizes, and the wife was more ambitious/greedy than her self-image, and left it at that.
@gaittr
@gaittr 6 месяцев назад
Thanks for the reaction. Other problem is there is no such thing as Justice in our justice system
@empirejeff
@empirejeff 3 года назад
Riker is takeing this well.
@Baex21
@Baex21 3 года назад
Are we colour coordinating now? Its ok, just need a heads up, don´t have that many yellow shirts.
@MrTableDesk
@MrTableDesk 3 года назад
It's the Rashomon episode of TNG; I think TOS had one too.
@Miguel_Mor
@Miguel_Mor 3 года назад
Paula's audio is a bit low. Either way, thanks for the reaction and review!
@TheCastellan
@TheCastellan 2 года назад
Loved that bit of music in the beginning with the paintings.
@welshman776
@welshman776 2 года назад
Who would have thought a Guest actor in TNG would also star in Breaking Bad & Better Call Saul.
@mconnaghan
@mconnaghan 3 года назад
I really appreciate your discussion afterwards about the consent issues and how it's treated in art and society. Hopefully we're getting better at dealing with it, though I'm afraid these issues will always be with us.
@normanicole4714
@normanicole4714 3 года назад
I've been accused falsely of that kind of thing. The person stole from me and told that lie to assassinate my character in court. It does happen. Your reasoning is upsetting as somebody who went through that.
@fakecubed
@fakecubed Год назад
Lots of people have experience with false accusations. 10% of accusations are provably false, as in there's an ironclad alibi. And there's a lot more than that which can't be entirely proved as false, but there's also no evidence that the accusation is real either. Charges don't even get filed in the vast majority of cases, which hides the true number of false accusations.
@GF_Baltar
@GF_Baltar 3 года назад
69 degrees? Oh, *beeee-have!*
@katynewt
@katynewt 3 года назад
15:00 While using women lying about rape can be upsetting to some people, it doesn't necessarily mean that it doesn't happen. There has to be some balance because on the other hand, automatically depicting men as the aggressors has created this inaccurate image of sex abuse.
@fakecubed
@fakecubed Год назад
10% of accusations are provably false, as in, there's an ironclad alibi. But 64.7% of accusations do not result in charges because there's just no evidence a crime occurred or the supposed victim insists no assault occurred (for example, it was consensual but a parent, spouse, etc. is in denial). It's appropriate that we see an alien species here explicitly reject the American/Federation standard of innocent until proven guilty, and we see just how unfair that is to the accused. Many would like to invert the standard for accusations of sexual crimes, and regardless of how virtuous their intentions, it's more important to society that we do not let them succeed.
@ghostkage
@ghostkage 3 года назад
The wife was very suspect
@gluuuuue
@gluuuuue 3 года назад
They wanted to do Rashomon, except "A Matter of Perspective" is a bit more reconcilable vs. Rashomon and its typical homages, which are usually flat-out contradicting accounts in ways that are impossible to be true, making at least one or more witnesses unreliable narrators. To whatever extent Riker's testimony may have been affected by not realizing his own flirtatious tendencies, the same could be applied to Mrs. Apgar's recollections. Also, keep in mind, as witnesses, both are aware of the immediate repercussions. (That said, when I first saw this as a teen, I totally had the same feeling, that the lack of direct resolution of that issue was a tad dissatisfying.)
@bryanfoster362
@bryanfoster362 3 года назад
Where is the Patreon version??
@Thrumm
@Thrumm 3 года назад
Greatly anticipating the next 2 episode reactions!
@pauld6967
@pauld6967 3 года назад
That planet practices French law: Napoleonic Code,.... Guilty until proven innocent.
@Jar0fMay0
@Jar0fMay0 3 года назад
Same with Japan. It's the reason why their conviction rate is 99%.
@pauld6967
@pauld6967 3 года назад
@@Jar0fMay0 Ah, so beaten out only by the Cardassians with their 100% conviction rate. To return things to the ST vein. 😉 "Of course. It would be a waste of time and resources to prosecute the innocent."
@Fyrecide
@Fyrecide 3 года назад
Both her and Riker just misinterpreted events, and neither is "wrong" or "right" in that sense. Hence the ending not trying to tie a pretty little bow around that particular conflict.
@julioverne579
@julioverne579 11 месяцев назад
False accusations of sexual crimes are likely to be higher, maybe even quite alot higher than we think. I always thought it was 3 percent cause thats an often cited percentage. But that number bases on a study that was not representative. It only looked at 100 cases of one DA's office in Germany. Other sources, police districts, other DA's and such point out much higher numbers or higher numbers of dismissed cases. (The latter indicate, that the dark number of false accusations could be higher. But this is about Germany. Also one has to take in account that sometimes its pretty hard to proof an assault and of course the dark number of cases not brought to the police or dismissed by the police. Its wise to think its likely to be higher than 3 percent but we just dont know how high it is. (Again Im tslking about Germany) But important: Even someone who did it but got away with it is to be looked at as innocent no matter what I believe. Thats how the system works.
@dirt410
@dirt410 3 года назад
Can't wait for the reactions to the next episode. Such a good one.
@DeathsjesterKMNP
@DeathsjesterKMNP 3 года назад
I'll never understand why people have this inability to watch something that involves a group of certain individuals (men/women, white/black) and think that somehow this one situation/incident is somehow indicative or representative of all people in said groups. It can be just those individuals doing it, that women was lying to get revenge, or that Starfleet officer lying to protect his reputation, because people DO do those things. But one doesn't equal All.
@jonathanross149
@jonathanross149 3 года назад
Security Officers checking in
@jonathanross149
@jonathanross149 3 года назад
or maybe Engineers?
@unclelink
@unclelink 3 года назад
Takes a big man to apologize.
@moseshorowitz4345
@moseshorowitz4345 2 года назад
You have to watch Rashomon, the movie by Kurosawa. Four people see a crime and have four very different experiences.
@mconnaghan
@mconnaghan 3 года назад
Another quality cat shirt video!
@DRockeh
@DRockeh 3 года назад
All they had to do was find another reason that the scientist was mad at Riker. Maybe make it his daughter and completely consensual. So the difference in the testimony revolves around his conversations with him. Have them argue over the red tape. I don’t know. But change that one plot point and it goes from cringe to an interesting who done it.
@oldsouplegs7384
@oldsouplegs7384 3 года назад
Ok great cat t shirt!
@Quotenwagnerianer
@Quotenwagnerianer 3 года назад
Hmmm... Paula's microphone level was quite low during this one. And on the topic of false rape allegations: It seems like you don't like to think about it too much Paula, but it does happen, and definately not as seldom as you would like to believe. There was a very prominent case of it here in Germany, where a famous weather caster came under suspicion. It went to court. And it turned out that the woman was lying. She made the whole thing up because she was mad at the guy, because he had an affair with someone else. He got aquitted of all charges, but it nearly ruined his carreer. He sued her for damages. And as long as these cases exist, however rare they are, one never should take someone's rape allegations at face value.
@robertrossiter346
@robertrossiter346 3 года назад
how exactly do you know it doesnt happen all the time, people should always need evidence, to state that something is so, you said no victim blaming or shaming, but just remember, if riker didnt do it, the HE is the victim.
@fakecubed
@fakecubed Год назад
Riker is the victim, absolutely. This episode proves the absurdity of guilty until proven innocent, and the absurdity of going on unreliable witness testimony instead of physical evidence.
@NEXCUSX
@NEXCUSX 3 года назад
Looking forward to next week's reaction 😉
@ListerDavid
@ListerDavid 3 года назад
Role on the next episode! 😍😍😍😍
@empirejeff
@empirejeff 3 года назад
Engage
@victorhuertas4685
@victorhuertas4685 3 года назад
is that Jon Malcovichk?---lol
@brentchapman2
@brentchapman2 3 года назад
Nice mystery of perspective
@bespectacledheroine7292
@bespectacledheroine7292 3 года назад
The Rashomon episode of the series. It's not the worst take on it that I've seen, but in trying to think of more examples I'm coming up empty. What are some other shows with episodes using this formula?
@jonathanross149
@jonathanross149 3 года назад
I'm having a hard time as well. I know it's a trope...So, I hunted down one for you. Frasier, Perspectives On Christmas S5E9
@bespectacledheroine7292
@bespectacledheroine7292 3 года назад
@@jonathanross149 Thank you friend. Some X-Files episodes like this exist too. It's funny because it's definitely a trope but it's not so overused as to be ubiquitous like bottle episodes or something.
@jonathanross149
@jonathanross149 3 года назад
I know there is a M*A*S*H episode with it, it also involves a trial....found it, M*A*S*H The Novocaine Mutiny S4E20
@jonathanross149
@jonathanross149 3 года назад
@@bespectacledheroine7292 The X-Files, Jose Chung’s From Outer Space. S3E20
@boghag
@boghag 3 года назад
"Rashomama", an episode of CSI (S06E21)
@GMontag
@GMontag 3 года назад
There's no way this is the worst episode of the season over the incel-Geordie episode Booby Trap.
@Jar0fMay0
@Jar0fMay0 3 года назад
It was a boring episode but it wasn't bad at all.
@ZipplyZane
@ZipplyZane 3 года назад
That episode is more one that people try to forget, no matter where you fall. I already don't remember what the B-plot was.
@jasonjanisewski78
@jasonjanisewski78 3 года назад
It is pretty absurd that Paula takes the position that "I personally don't like any stories that use a woman lying about sexual assault as a plot point because it gives people the idea that it happens a lot and it truly is very rare." -Taking the position that only 1 side is valid to serve as a plot point is absurd. -That logic itself is likely not consistent if something being rare means it shouldn't be a plot point. She likes shows about people casually traveling between stars. Those people are pretty rare are far as we know. Does she like shows about murders or big heists? ( both of these are quite rare). -How does she define very rare? 1%? 5%? 10%? 20%? I suspect this is her bias just assuming something without any data since no data or studies are referenced. Also, the decision to make it open ended makes the episode 100x better. The real world isn't 100% black and white despite what some people want. -She further shows a real lack of empathy "I think it's such a disservice to actual victims men and women who are victims of sexual assault. She just completely doesn't even try to care about the victims who are falsely claimed. Even if it is "very rare" to pretend that such victims do not exist is absurd. "There's no reason to lie about that stuff." Ummm what. Tons of reasons easily come to mind if you think for a second. It could easily be used as blackmail, as a way to try to ruin someone's career, as a way to try to get something in court, etc
@redpillfreedom6692
@redpillfreedom6692 3 года назад
What irks me is that these comments are coming from someone in her mid 30s. She sounds like a naive 16 year old when she makes statements like that.
@fakecubed
@fakecubed Год назад
It's 10% of accusations that are provably false. As in, there's an ironclad alibi. But 64.7% of cases never get charged due to lack of evidence, or lack of crime.
@chooseyouhandle
@chooseyouhandle 3 года назад
Riker is definitely a character made in the 1980s. He does some questionable things.
@AubreySciFi
@AubreySciFi 3 года назад
Yeah, I don't think Riker was doing anything wildly inappropriate, but I'm sure he was being flirty with Apgar's wife, and probably felt guilty about it later and made his recollection of the events portraying him being more standoffish.
@jasoncaldwell5627
@jasoncaldwell5627 2 года назад
This actually should have been a great way to highlight the differences in culture between species. It would have been great to see that her polite formality seemed like a come-on to Riker and his rejection of her advance was step one in her culture's mating rituals. TNG gets some things SOOOO right, but they make every species have western European manners and customs (like a wedding or sexual fidelity at all!). Anyway, they let a chance slip away and we got a pretty blah episode as a result.
@UatuOmega
@UatuOmega 3 года назад
The Pi Episode. 😉
@awkie
@awkie 3 года назад
if i lived on the enterprise, i would avoid riker after this episode. there's a long history of cis men sexually assaulting people and believing they're doing nothing wrong. that's what happened to me. i'm pretty sure he still thinks he did nothing wrong. and the way the crew react, that he would never do something like that. that's what people say about their abusive friends all the time. not a moment of consideration for the victim. particularly bad in the episode because troi magic means they know for a fact she isn't lying. if it were up to me i'd remove the plot point entirely.
@fakecubed
@fakecubed Год назад
Troi can sense sincerity, not the truth. The victim here is Riker, from a terrible upside down legal system that requires him to prove his innocence.
@alexandercaldwell1411
@alexandercaldwell1411 3 года назад
God, I hate this episode; for all the reasons the gals mention, plus the fact that it's just a boring "courtroom procedural". The last thing I want to see in a sci-fi/fantasy show like Star Trek is something that reminds me of the most inane aspects of everyday life. I love Ron Moore, but even his best work (DS9, BSG) wasn't above the occasional filler episode. BTW, NO SPOILERS FOR NEXT WEEK!!!!!
@ilthok
@ilthok 2 года назад
Yeah, I didn't particularly like this episode myself. While I agree that there are distortions of perspective with the truth, I don't think the major elements of a story, especially something like sexual assault, would deviate that much. It was extremely jarring to watch and took my right out of the story immersion.
@fakecubed
@fakecubed Год назад
You'd be surprised.
@TheGoauldApophis
@TheGoauldApophis 3 года назад
How'd you know exactly what I needed right now?
@samywho5367
@samywho5367 3 года назад
first comment, just saying lmao
@brellnob
@brellnob 3 года назад
So because it's rare you can never have a story about it? Got it.
@firefly24601
@firefly24601 3 года назад
That's not what they are saying. At all. Quite the opposite, in fact. They're saying that the typical storyline up until recently (and certainly in the 90s) is that when a character brings up these allegations they are ALWAYS lying, in order to achieve some personal gain, or to ruin someone. That these types of storylines are damaging because they reinforce the opinion that they are liars. Therefore, there should be LESS of these types of stories, and MORE where victims of sexual assault are believed.
@Jar0fMay0
@Jar0fMay0 3 года назад
@@firefly24601 I disagree. It should be, take the allegation seriously but don't immediately believe the accuser. That's how you get "guilty until proven innocent"
@jasonjanisewski78
@jasonjanisewski78 3 года назад
Actually Paula specifically said she doesn't like any plot that shows the woman lying.
@redpillfreedom6692
@redpillfreedom6692 3 года назад
Also she says it's rare without citing anything. I've seen studies suggesting that falsehoods are in the low 20s. If true, it's not a majority but it would mean that it happens often enough that it cannot be considered rare. Rare would mean less than 1 percent. Frankly, I don't buy that it's that low. Or even less than 5 percent. The truth is nobody knows.
@fakecubed
@fakecubed Год назад
@@redpillfreedom6692 I've literally never seen a study that suggests it's as low as 1%. The best data says it's 10% that the accusation is provably false, such as having an ironclad alibi. But a large majority of accusations never get as far as charges being filed, and 7% result in actual convictions. The point of this story is to show the unfairness and absurdity of having to prove oneself innocent.
@1nelsondj
@1nelsondj 3 года назад
Call Capt. Olivia Benson of SVU, I'm sure she's still alive in that time period. I always found this plot derivative, the false murder accusation (it happened to Scotty in The Original Series), the multiple perspectives. There's a lot of duplication as well because we keep seeing the same story retold. Btw, it doesn't help that Riker has such a reputation for being a "ladies man".
@sharpaycutie2
@sharpaycutie2 11 месяцев назад
I hate this episode mainly beacuse there was no point to it and hate it cuz of the supposed implication on Riker Even if he WAS flirting it was mostly light hearted playful complimentary type not actually let’s do something cuz he knew she was married and Rieske has never been forceful with his advances this episode is such a MISS
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