Brickyard E175 had just departed when the pilots reported a trim runaway, severe control problems and requesting immediate return. ****MAIN PLAYLISTS**** [REAL ATC] (Emergencies or crashes) -- www.youtube.co...
Please, give a big like for these pilots, all the Atlanta controllers (I'm sure Ground, other Tower, Approach and Departure controllers also worked together to clear the airspace for Brickyard) and all the pilots who waited patiently. Aviation is awesome! *Great job, guys!!*
In my opinion the controller was not being rude he's just trying to figure out how I move an aircraft in distress through some of the busiest airspace on the planet without it hitting somebody else., once I get it done if you look at the time stamp at 5:07 and listen to it he gives the duty fire chief the information he needs and also let him know when I have updated information you will be the first to know.
VASAviation - That was some scary shit! Great job by those guys working the problem under severe difficulty. Hope the NTSB investigates fully and makes recommendations to prevent recurrence. No one needs an AC behaving like that on them.
May I give a shoutout to all you pilots here. Your unbelievable extensive training kicks in and we civilians totally trust you. So many potentially fatal accidents waiting to happen have been averted due to your professionalism. THANK YOU!!!❤️
Hi all, I was one of the six passengers on that flight that day. I am an avid follower of this channel and have studied a lot of incidents. Couldn’t believe that it happened to me and I knew something was wrong the second we took off. I thank the pilots that day that saved my life. They looked absolutely exhausted and in shock when they came out of the cockpit. I shook both of their hands and I wish I can contact them again to tell them how much I appreciate how amazing they were. It was definitely the scariest thing I’ve ever experienced.
So very glad that you're alive to comment on this. Being an aviation buff is not necessarily a good thing for a passenger in an emergency like this. Kudos to the flight crew & ATC. 👍🏼
John O'Brien not sure why he said 6 souls on board because there were 6 of us passengers and 2 attendants and 2 pilots! Maybe was too engaged in flying the plane and just said passengers instead? Definitely 6 of us passengers though.
DrKate L. Completely agree.. the other passengers seemed to not know what was going on and wasn’t as worried as I was for sure... not until we landed and was explained the situation. Ignorance is bliss in this case for sure
Its called taking control of the frequency, fire vehicles are the last priority to him. He wants his frequency silent for the emergency traffic. Once that is resolved he can then talk to the fire vehicles.
bbd308 Tower letting Fire chief know that the emergency required immediate and continuous communication and tower did not have bandwidth for communication with fire units at that time. Not a jerk. Doing a difficult job and doing it well.
@@larsfreeburg1535 Trim runaway is something I don't want to hear at all. Trim has more pitch authority than the elevators so if you have a trim runaway you are either lucky enough that your CG is in a good spot or you are done as soon as you reach a certain point. Even pushing will not let you descend as you can see in the video. It's like driving a car with a stuck throttle where the throttle is stronger than your brake and even with the brake all the way pushed you are accelerating. Scary.
@@FluppiLP He also stated to the other pilot over the freq, that he didn't have time to do the "QRH" Quick Reference Handbook. That's the book that has all of your emergency procedure checklists, I'm not sure why you wouldn't use it?
@Advocatus Diaboli Yes, I've learned that certain conditions will result in a stall. Not surprised, but it was awful to hear and I wasn't surprised at it.
At 4:42 you can hear a female voice in the background asking someone if they were certified for flying a E175 Apparently how they found the Delta2304 crew who chimed in at 6:54 to offer assistance
It's a nice thought, ATL is main hub for Delta who also flies E175. Someone can help and give hints incase the crew in trouble haven't thought about that solution.
As an E175 pilot who just read a company safety alert regarding this flight, all I can say is, great job guys. It cannot be overstated how close they came to disaster. A pitch trim runaway is one of the worst things you can be faced with in a plane. I was given a simulated one in the simulator just weeks ago. It is so scary because you just react like this is a wind change or something and you push against it. It takes a moment to realize, no this isn't normal and I have to do the memory item. This particular thing is insidious, but fast. I like to think I'm fast, but it still took over 3 seconds for me to recognize it was happening. Give it another second or two and it would have been unflyable in my case. This incident was apparently the result of damaged wiring shorting out. The first part of the checklist is to press autopilot/trim disconnect on the yolk. The corresponding wire was among the damaged. This prevented them from stopping it early enough to prevent the more serious situation they ran into. The next part of the memory item calls to disable the pitch trim system completely. Precious seconds could have been lost fumbling for buttons that are colloquially known in the industry as "dust collectors" because you never use them. For anyone who's freaked out about flying on E175s after this, I can tell you this issue is being worked on industry wide and extra inspections and measures have been put in place to prevent this from happening again. This incident is why I hate the saying, "These airplanes basically fly themselves." You can tell by the voice that these pilots were in an adrenaline pounding fight for their lives. All a computer can do is follow programming; it is not invested in self preservation or yours. So next time you're fuming and ready to hit someone because you didn't get upgraded or the food wasn't good, just remember to thank your flight crew for a safe flight.
@@Mostlyharmless1985 Then you need a very skilled coder that can write a program that evolves itself over time. It also needs to check against something to see if this new "evolving" is preferred when flying a plane. You're just loopy if you think this is possible. A computer doesn't solve a problem, a human does.
@@Mostlyharmless1985 If I'm very kind towards the technology of self driving cars, it is at best a flawed tech. It doesn't really replace drivers so far. And an automated car is not even close to an automated airplane. Bad analogy.
I think the Fire Chief took the "don't call me again" statement as intended. Nobody took anything personal. It was all about getting that a/c down safe. The end result was the great teamwork between the Crew, the Tower, Fire staff and by the grace of God. So there!
Yup. As a firefighter, I know most fire chiefs know what it’s like when a bunch of people are calling you on the radio while you’re busy. Sometimes you just have to tell people to be quiet. I’m sure he understood
I thought " don't call me again " is the phraseology used on aviation radio to halt incoming transmission from a single radio. Even though it sounds rude, I thought that was just a common phrase used. Anyone correct me on this?
I think anyone who has worked a tower during emergencies has told people to stop calling them and everyone gets it, most people have the awareness to realize what’s happening
EinkOLED yes we have been trained to deal with this situation but the situation can get to a point where it’s impossible to recover. I have seen it first hand. You have seconds to react and it’s worse with the autopilot on bc you may miss the runway until the plane yells at you bc you’re not flying. If this happens at altitude then you can recover bc you have time but nose up runaway on take off, you better be on your A game!
I‘ve got goosebumps hearing those three others saying „nice job“. Everyone knew how dangerous this situation was and what a heck of a good job those pilots and ATC (and ground etc.) did! Awesome job, everyone!
You should check out the ATC recordings from JAL123, and Alaska Airlines 261. 261 stripped the jack screw, they were also fighting pitch issues. Both flights crashed. But prime examples of quality pilots doing absolutely everything in their power to save the plane.
@@pnaylor666 I've listened to audio from flights that have crashed and I'll tell you, it's not something i would search out or care to listen to ever again. Hearing someone's final moments when they know their fate is horrific.
Ya. You can imagine every other pilot on frequency shuddering at the thought of having to face what this crew did. Of course, all pilots are trained to handle it and probably could if they had to, but that doesn't mean anyone *wants* to.
For those wondering what a trim runaway is. It’s when you’re trimming the aircraft up or down and stop at your desired spot but it continues up or down. So for this instance if they departed and they were trimming up once he stopped trimming the aircraft continues to trim up. Which is obviously a serious problem.
@@thextrmntr What is trim? Trim is adjustment made that manages the aerodynamic forces on the aircraft control surfaces so that the plane maintains the set attitude without any control input. That adjustment is supposed to make it far easier for a pilot to control the plane
I have that tail number in my logbook. Such a weird feeling. These guys did an amazing job. Putting the aircraft in that steep right turn probably saved their lives by preventing a nose-high stall. It's something we're taught to do in the simulators but it's an entirely different animal when your life is on the line.
Can't get my head around how the steep turn helps? My brain is telling me you'd just end up stalling the inside wing if you are slow and nose high. Could you fill me in?
GreenCrim I think we all connect stalls mainly with low or no power settings. This wasn’t the case here though. Since the jet could generate a very big amount of thrust I would think that a high bank turn could keep the nose lower and help to gain speed without worsening the stall or leading to a spin. Also just guessing here though..
Let's take a moment to acknowledge the engineering that went into a system that can fail, get switched over to the FO, and start functioning again. The redundancies have redundancies!
Ysalomet A failure in the trim system. It’s electrically controlled. On the E175 it’s all fly-by-wire, so basically either a software glitch or a circuit blowout or a lost contact.
The tower heard "We've got a trim runaway" as "We need to return right away", then pretty much got no information except "We're in a stalling situation" and the radar visual that they were spiralling up for about five minutes. I can't imagine how they felt not knowing what was going on beyond that. Everybody did an amazing job with this one. I'm glad it ended well.
That's the way emegencies go, often. Rule 1: FLY THE PLANE. Rule 2: FLY THE PLANE. Far down on the list is communicating. Once you have spare cycles, THEN you tell ATC what's up. In the meantime, you've declared an emergency, they know it, they are supposed to clear everything out of your way everywhere. Hard to do at the busiest airport in the country but it's their duty. So ATC's constant prattle was no doubt just annoying the flight crew, which rightfully mostly ignored the guy for a while.
@@frotoe9289 The order is Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. Step one, make sure you're not crashing. Step two, make sure you're not crashing *into* anything. Step three, tell those chucklefucks on the ground how brown your seat became.
VASAviation, great job on the detail for this one! The blue circles around the other planes and the detail to the emergency vehicles on 10 didn't go unnoticed or unappreciated! Great work!
As a pilot, I too was SO impressed with the ability of the pilots to diagnose and fix the issue and land safely. I hate to say it, but many other airlines may not have had the same outcome. The FAA does a great job ensuring training is #1 for emergencies and using Cockpit Management to figure out the problem and do what is right for the plane, not for the ego of the captain. Well done Brickyard.
You could hear the stress in the pilots' voice there. Great job by all. Flight control issues are absolutely terrifying! I'll be curious to hear what the cause of this was.
This crew did an amazing job. Often you don't have time for the QRH and have to rely on system knowledge to recover the aircraft back to a controllable state. Sounds like thats what they did.
Apparently in this case it took both of their strength just to keep the yoke forward, and they physically _couldn't_ reach for the QRH without risking a loss of control.
You could tell how exhausted they were even after they regained control by their voices. Just those few minutes of, in reality, fighting for their lives took the liveliness out of them. And then the relief in their voices when they got down really got me. I hope somebody took them out and bought them a few rounds that night for a job well done.
Knowing Republic, a more likely scenario would have been a drug test and a call from scheduling telling them a new airplane was on the way and asking if they were still ready to fly to New York.
Well, of course they'd be exhausted. They were fighting against a mechanical failure with all their might. Takes a loooooot of strength to deal with trim runaway.
It's hard to think of the alternative if they hadn't been able to rectify the problem to get down on the ground. Flying until the fuel was exhausted and then the crash--makes me get the shakes just thinking about it.
I am always surprised to the lack of knowledge from ATC, regarding emergencies. ATC asked what the situation was, that can wait since you can assume the pilots are busy working out what ever problem they have. Then they inform him they have a runaway trim, yet he tells them to stop climb and start descending, and keeps bother them with more calls. Just clear the traffic out of the way and the pilot will contact you when ready.
@@se-kmg355 THAT'S NO SHIT!! IT SEEMS LIKE ONE ENCOUNTERS THAT IN SO MANY PLACES THAT YOU'D THINK THEY'D BE TRAINED !!! NOT !!! DO THAT RIDICULOUS, STUPID ASSED SHIT. EX: SOME OF THE OBTUSE IDIOTS IN 911 CENTERS!! DISPATCHERS IN MARITIME INDUSTRY!! THAT'S DAMNED SURE A 3-D ENVIRONMENT AND CAN BE AS DEADLY AS ANYTHING IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS. YEAH, I'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH BOTH OF THOSE GROUPS.
The delta pilot asking that question I believe was also done to determine how serious the issue was. You could tell once they said they were too busy it made atc even more aware of how quickly they needed to land including them closing another runway down in case it was needed. Sometimes a simple question reveals a lot of answers.
The ATC was absolutely incredible. Some really tough decisions about managing the amount and type of communications he was having in every direction. I loved that as soon as he heard them struggling to keep control he immediately stopped talking directly to them and started moving others around.
This would definitely be up on my list of scariest in flight problems to have. I fly the CRJ and we have memory items for it, but all that does is stop it from getting worse. It is still a frightening prospect. It's like you're driving around a parking lot with the gas pedal floored and the steering wheel stuck in a left turn and if you crash into anything, you die. Just unreal. Really awesome they were able to salvage it.
@@behindthen0thing525 MenTour Pilot channel has a good video about runaway trim that really cuts through the internet bs. That guy corrected a lot of my misconceptions about this stuff. You're right in that other comment, RU-vid comments aren't the best place for accurate info lol.
Aviation is so inspiring. The teamwork in these positive videos it’s a motivating factor for me to try to provide harmony in my workplace. I hope to join the aviation community soon. That’s a bucket list item. Great job guys and girls.
WOW... fantastic job done by the crew. It takes a long time for a crew to recover mentally from an emergency like this. I do hope they are getting the rest and recovery they deserve.
That was awful. Here’s ATC telling them 4000, etc and I’m sure the pilots are all “if this thing lets us, we’re trying!” Awful to be the ATC and just have to watch and advise as they can.
Love the other pilots commending the brickyard pilots after landing. Definitely sounded like a scary situation for a pilot, and they fought well to get control back.
One of the most impressive recoveries I've heard on your channel, amazing flying! Well done! ATC did really well too, they may not have been sure exactly what was going on but didn't bother the pilots too much sorting that out, let them get on with trying to fly the plane and moved the other aircraft around them. Great job guys (or girls!) and one of the scariest situations I can imagine - good that Embrader put a direct mode into the E175 so they could trim it out eventually!
Years ago I had a pitch trim runaway, nose down. Happened inside the FAF on an ILS. Had I not been hand flying and disengaged the AP at minimums I would not be here today. Turned out to be a nearly 30 year old relay that failed. Scary when it takes 2 people pulling as hard as they can to raise the nose and recover.
I’m also typed on the 175. Pitch trim runaway is no joke, and even if everything is done perfectly it’s still a handful. Those steep turns undoubtedly saved their lives. Phenomenal job by this crew
I saw the transcript of an aircraft that had to land with the nosegear up. Needless to say, a certain four letter F-word was used quite a number of times... But like these pilots, they did a great job and got the aircraft down safely, and on the center line at that, was also quite an impressive piece of flying.
It should be noted that a trim runway is basically what was happening with the 737MAX with MCAS, only there is no intelligence behind it. Republic emphasizes recognizing trim runaway as the Trim on a 170/175 has no manual backup, so once its up, you can't lower it. They only thing you can do is shut it off before it get's to bad to handle. Its trained on, but its not fun. I've had this in a Cessna and that was a pain.
It just goes to show that in aviation, when an emergency happens it is all hands, everyone steps up their game and tries to pitch in to help regardless of affiliations. Good job to one and all. @VASAviation, another nice job to you my friend,
Hey Victor! Juan Browne of the Blancolirio Channel on RU-vid gave you a shout-out when he did a video on this Brickyard Embraer runaway trim issue. (He started recording it on the 14th but I think it was actually posted yesterday or today when he got done with his research.) Sweet!
"we can't pitch down" My heart jumped at that one.... Brickyard almost became a Boneyard :( Could they have done a light nose stall? Or would that be too risky?
Stalling a swept wing aircraft is deadly as it is hard to recover from due to the nature of the swept wing. The centre of pressure moves forward during the Stall which increases the pitch up tendency and makes the situation worse. With a T-tail configuration this leads to 'deep stall' which is (pretty much) unrecoverable because the elevator has no authority anymore due to turbulent air coming from the wings. Source: student Atpl pilot
@Dotar Sojat Where did I say it's a T-tail aircraft? I'm just giving some extra info about aircraft that do have them and their even worse Stall characteristics.
When I was at McGuire AFB in the mid 70s, a C-141 was doing T&Gs, MAs. After one of the touch and goes, they were rolling down the runway and the nose went up sharply. The AC looked at the CP who looked at him, asking WTH are you doing? Neither one pulled the yoke back and they realized they had a pitch/trim runaway. Emergency call to McGuire tower, and they spiraled up to ~ 5K feet before they could get the nose down. They had feet pressing on the CP's yoke and the AC and FE were both trying to shove the yoke down. They managed to get it level and RTB without crashing. It was an all-Reserve flight crew and in usual fashion, the active duty guys said they caused it. This was circa 1974 or so. A week later another 141 had the same issue and the crew managed to abort. The planes were grounded for inspection, which discovered a wire in the yoke had the insulation worn off. The entire 141 fleet was then grounded for inspection/repair.
Man my pulse went up just hearing their calls. You know when you hear that tone they are BUSY and loaded up with alarms going off and lights flashing. Pure hell.
I think one of the worst things you could hear over coms as an ATC is trim runaway followed by stall situation. I couldn’t imagine what everyone involved in the coms must have felt. Great job to everyone involved, including the engineering done to have a redundancy plan in place.
It's crazy to think this was caused by the captain's trim switch being reinstalled upside down. Trimming is second nature for us pilots so I don't blame him for not realizing that was the cause
If you would like to know more on why you roll the plane or on stabilizer runaway, check a couple videos by Warren Vanderburgh entitled “Unusual Aircraft Attitude Recovery Procedures” and “Control Malfunctions & Flight Instrument Anomalies”.
Story behind that is I was offline trying to find ANYONE type-rated in the embraer to help run the QRH. Of everything on the airport I don’t think we had a single E75. Best we came up with was that 757 driver
This was a very intense video. After I watched it the 1st time, I came to read all the comments in order to understand the situation. Then, I came back and re-watched it several times. I can hear in the ATC background of others making calls on this. That's when I connected the Delta pilot's words when he said ground asked him to contact Brickyard.... I thought the ATC was rude but a comment from Arnold Sherrill helped me to see it differently... Kudos to the pilots, all of ATC and the fire department.
WAUW, that was some great example of everybody staying professional and calm with great short communications as needed. Incredible job under the most stressed and dangerous situations so it seemed. Thank you for this video VASA.
Great job pilots. Captain's trim switch wire chafed and shorted. We practiced this exact scenario now in the simulators. Smart that he gained the altitude then rolled into right 360 to lower nose.
One of the scariest flight videos I've seen, the pilots did a great job in making sure they were able to land safely. I don't think the local controller initially understood the severity or the actual nature of the emergency initially. Nonetheless, great team work in making sure the airplane landed safely.
6 souls on-board? Capt, FO, FA1, FA2, and two passengers? That’s a light load on one of the busiest sectors in the U.S. (I get that it’s marketed by AA, but still). QUESTION: what do you think the passengers/ cabin crew would have noticed?
“We’re in a stalling situation... agh” 😳😳😳 horrible to hear. Could hear how bad it was in pilot’s voices in their initial comms. Regarding runways, in a situation like this when pilots are clearly in a very difficult situation I would favour ATC telling them the runway and not asking them what they want loading them with options “will vector your for runway 10R - confirm?” then the pilots can give a yes/no answer ( depending what immediate return runway they had set up etc). Separately, ARFF comms on these videos always seem to contain a lot of words but not a lot of info passed... Delta pilot where it went... was asking the pilots if they’d run the QRH (quick reaction handbook). The pilot then said no time as fighting with the plane. Wow!
It's not up to the controller. His job is to give the pilot pretty much anything he needs and list the options. In an emergency ATC will never tell you what to do. That makes them culpable should something go wrong in the end.
Brian White correct to a degree: but initially a simple yes or no answer to one runway is easier for the pilots to deal with rather than giving lots of options. If “unable” that runway then can expand. Especially at Atlanta where all the runways are in the same orientation so it’s not a factor for wind. And in an emergency if the pilots were heading towards high ground for example, the ATC wouldn’t recommend changing heading or give options, they would TELL the pilots to make a turn.
“We can’t pitch down, sir” - definitely on a workload with too many questions from ATC, no? He said that in such a way that sounded like “give me a minute”
One reason I always offer to every ATC person that they can come fly with me any time. I think getting them in the plane to see what we see can help them do the job and manage the emergency better. It always bugs me when the pilot says they are in a stall situation and ATC keeps asking what they can do to help, souls on board and fuel. Pick your timing man! I have taken 3 ATC controllers up over the past 10 years and they all felt they learned a ton, as did I. Makes everyone better at their job. If any ATC controller every wants to go up with me and live in the Southeast US, let me know.
This is the busiest airport in the world we are speaking of. Some information on what we can expect the pilots to do is necessary so we can protect the flight path. Sorry if it inconveniences the pilot for a couple seconds for information to prevent them from having a midair.
@@rfiorini Perhaps you should go listen on the other side as well? When we get hounded by supervisors to ask for information as they're standing behind us waiting to call it in for emergency service response or when 15 other aircraft are on frequency all headed in the direction of the emergency, information is mandatory. There's no perfect time to ask for it during an emergency.
I followed this live out of my home airport, it scared the shit out of me. Those pilots are amazing. I was about to head to bed then I got the emergency declaration as a notification.
Commendable job by the pilots and everyone coordinating very well. High Pressure situation, it's easy to panic but even more important to keep your cool. This was a very scary situation and could have easily been a disaster.
Yeah. I agree. They were fighting for their lives. Last thing they have the ability to do is open a book and dig for a procedure. I'm still amazed that these types of things aren't memory items. Or maybe it is and they were jammed up trying to control ig. I've not flown the E170 etc. Just crazy. Jammed or unresponsive controls can give you tunnel vision and you become slow to do the immediate action items... Immediately.
I think it is great for a fellow aviator to help out but you also must keep in mind that it could be a distraction to the crew fighting for there lives literally ...so I think you have to remain cautious about disturbing them but also you might tell them something which contradicts what they are currently doing or have been trained to do so you got to be careful
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