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Real-life fractal zoom 

Henry Segerman
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Making a real-life fractal zoom.
Follow-up video in which I also pull focus!: • Real-life fractal tree...
Feliks Konczakowski's work: / konczakowski
My project with Paul-Olivier Dehaye: www.segerman.org/printgallery/ (Bart de Smit turned our logarithmic image into the looping video.)
The 3d print is available to buy from shpws.me/Ttp5
The file is available to download from www.printables.com/model/4696...

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@incription
@incription Год назад
Here is a property I think real life fractals would have: at very small scales, the valleys of the fractal approximate the wavelength of light, so on a macroscale some fractals could display structural coloration (like in butterfly wings)
@zh84
@zh84 Год назад
You could demonstrate this using longer wavelength radiation comparable with the size of the smallest detail; this would have to be microwaves or millimetre waves. At the moment I don't think there's any 3D printing technology which has the half-a-micron resolution you would need to get the effect with visible light.
@1ucasvb
@1ucasvb Год назад
This is such a fascinating idea, coming up with several fractal surfaces and computing the interference and scattering effects involved. Each fractal would likely get its own color and interference patterns. Lovely.
@incription
@incription Год назад
@@zh84 I am sure you can simulate it with ray tracing. I am looking into how to simulate such effects :)
@Preston241
@Preston241 Год назад
@@incription if you or anyone else figures this out I’d be interested in the results.
@truefiasco2637
@truefiasco2637 Год назад
there are shorter wave lengths than light though.
@lgab
@lgab Год назад
As a vfx artist, I love it when people outside the industry run into the issues we deal with on the daily. The perspective discussion in the beginning is something I have very often with directors and cinematographers, even the most seasoned professionals have a hard time understanding why you can't just slap two pieces of footage together without taking all of that into account. To get this perfect you probably need to take lens distortion into account as well, as the edges of the frame can be slightly stretched compared to the center of the image, so when lining up the whole of the image with a different perspective distance, you're can be a fair percentage off from distortion alone because of a largely imperceptible bend. A rectilinear lens can reduce this effect for all intents and purposes, if it's a good one. The final piece to this puzzle would be to motorize the focus so you don't get that artifact as well, and this could also be shot stop-motion style for a perfectly stable and crisp look. And for the record, I don't think this looks like CG necessarily, you probably could recreate this look in CG, it's just that you wouldn't get this without having this particular photographic reference as a starting point, so it's plausible as CG, but not clearly CG, even the smallest imperfection takes work which is the inverse of what happens in real life photography, so it's actually pretty hard to create a photo that definitely looks CG, it has to be extremely exact, it's an artform in itself.
@henryseg
@henryseg Год назад
The issue of lens distortion is something I’ve been leaving in its can (with all the other worms) and trying to not think about! You’re right that it doesn’t look that much like CG, which is probably for the best. I’ve run into the issue more with stills, like my current avatar photo (illustrating stereographic projection). With video, there are so many more things to notice.
@Hexnilium
@Hexnilium Год назад
Is the lens distortion causing the visible perturbations in the Romanesco broccoli?
@kamikaze2613
@kamikaze2613 Год назад
Change in Depth of field and focus seems to be a problem also
@henryseg
@henryseg Год назад
@@Hexnilium I doubt it - Feliks uses only one or two photos for his zooms, and no single photograph would look distorted like that.
@paint4pain
@paint4pain Год назад
Couldn't you bypass all of this by placing the camera far and using a zoom? The perspective difference would be tiny.
@crimsomnia1415
@crimsomnia1415 Год назад
The continous loss of focus unsettles me on some deep level. Gets my skin crawling to a point where I just want the perpetual loop to end as soon as possible.
@hyperacti
@hyperacti Год назад
It seems like the loss of focus is being used to help hide the loop, which is clever, though it would be really cool to see one that stays in focus too! Phenomenal video
@christophermoore6110
@christophermoore6110 Год назад
I’m pretty sure that the blur is only there to prove that it’s not computer generated, as he mentioned he left mistakes in for that reason. I also wish that it didn’t go out of focus because then I’m pretty sure it would be perfect
@henryseg
@henryseg Год назад
@@christophermoore6110I was half joking about the mistakes. I’m still far enough from perfection on these loops that there is plenty of room for improvement.
@christophermoore6110
@christophermoore6110 Год назад
@@henryseg really? The only mistake I personally noticed was the blur lol
@hashbrown777
@hashbrown777 Год назад
The blur for me was what kept telling me it was a loop :/ I'd rather see the imperfections as you get closer in high fidelity and transition to the farther image than rely on blur if it was one of the "intentional mistakes" (which I doubt). Even with the out of focus shot you could start the transition between loops earlier to hide the blur, but then you lose more of the sharp frames and also the video would become mostly edited instead of mostly real footage ​@@henryseg idk if you can motorise the focus or if autofocus is accurate enough to go the right way without overshoot, or if focussing on infinity is possible. I wouldve suggested using a "camera" that can capture orthographically (therefore you can forego the whole rail setup entirely and zoom digitally) but the perspective..uh perspective..is a really cool way to convey the shape
@Ck87JF
@Ck87JF Год назад
I suspect that the camera may get closer to the fractal than its lens' minimum focus distance, which causes the blur. Or perhaps it's set to manual focus and that's why it gets blurry. It might have been interesting to see a camera with a longer telephoto lens set further back from the fractal and turn on auto focus with the center of the sensor as the focal point.
@whynotanyting
@whynotanyting Год назад
I loved that you showed the problem solving process. I can appreciate the loop more knowing the effort that went into it.
@CodeParade
@CodeParade Год назад
Amazing work! It really does look like CGI. I wonder how close you could get a natural fractal to behave like this, like with a fern leaf or broccoli. Less precise than a 3D print I assume, but the detail is better than the print resolution, so it wouldn't look as blurry.
@henryseg
@henryseg Год назад
The closest I've seen to something like this is by John Edmark, see www.johnedmark.com/natural-blooms-1.
@fantastipotomus
@fantastipotomus Год назад
@@henryseg Nice!
@SpydersByte
@SpydersByte Год назад
the blur isnt from the object being 3D printed, its from the camera moving closer but still having the same focal length so the object starts to get blurry. If he could also change the camera focus as it slid forward he could make it look much better, and then the 'revert to start' part wouldnt be as obvious as it is now
@ytivarg5371
@ytivarg5371 Год назад
@codeparade funny seeing you here
@ItsJustMeJerk
@ItsJustMeJerk Год назад
@@SpydersByte It's both, you can see that the 3d print only gets so detailed. If there was no blur the lack of fine detail when zoomed in would be more obvious.
@AJMansfield1
@AJMansfield1 Год назад
The fact that the linear speed has to be exponential while the rotation speed has to be constant, is another clever reminder of the complex relationship between sinusoids and exponentials.
@adi-ow1cg
@adi-ow1cg Год назад
Are you willing to elaborate?
@zestyorangez
@zestyorangez Год назад
@@adi-ow1cg You should look up Euler's identity. It shows how if you think of x as being some angle in radians then e^(ix)=cos(x)+isin(x). The relation is probably much deeper than this but i think this is what they are referring to.
@adiadiadi333
@adiadiadi333 Год назад
Rotation speed doesn't have to be constant. The camera motion is in a completely different axis to the rotation speed, so no wonder rotation speed is irrelevant. But the orientation at the end of the loop must match as it was in the starting if the images are to line up. That can be achieved even with chaotic rotation.
@AJMansfield1
@AJMansfield1 Год назад
@@adiadiadi333 Sure, there's no constraint on the absolute speeds of either component, but the relationship between rotational and linear speeds definitely is constrained.
@stickykitty
@stickykitty Год назад
@@AJMansfield1 impressive MOST IMPRESSIVE
@archivethearchives
@archivethearchives Год назад
This should become a videography hobby in and of itself. The end product really is stellar and you did a good job overcoming the challenges that can arise from this kind of work that requires precision and accuracy. 😁
@archivethearchives
@archivethearchives Год назад
It is neat how doing it in real life rather than with post processing in software from a photo removes that weird uncanny artifact of smudging. The two products next to each other would not even have a contest because this is in a league of its own.
@partickstar1135
@partickstar1135 Год назад
there already is a whole community who are loopers
@thelemonwho
@thelemonwho Год назад
The closeness blurs let on to the reality better than the hand and laser, to be honest. This is such an awesome idea and execution!
@SpydersByte
@SpydersByte Год назад
yea, although it would look better without the blur lol
@TtEL
@TtEL Год назад
He actually mentions it at 8:05
@3urobob
@3urobob 11 месяцев назад
@@TtEL Doesn't make sense though, he proves it through other means. The blur breaks the illusion unfortunately
@World_of_OSes
@World_of_OSes 9 месяцев назад
Should have used a macro lens
@yyattt
@yyattt Год назад
I admire this commitment to doing it all IRL, warts and all. I remember watching a nature documentary about some desert rodents (I forget which type), and they had some really close-up footage of them running in slow motion. It was so slick I just assumed it was CGI. At the end they showed the behind the scenes of how they filmed it by finding a straight part of a path frequented by the rodents and installing a camera track that could follow alongside it - then they would wait and film them as they shot past. I remember thinking how it's a shame that they put all that effort in and in the moment it went unappreciated - but was glad they thought to correct me with the behind the scenes.
@tissuepaper9962
@tissuepaper9962 Год назад
I believe it was about elephant shrews.
@yyattt
@yyattt Год назад
@@tissuepaper9962 YES! I found it again after your comment. Thanks 🙂
@toketsupuurin
@toketsupuurin Год назад
That's really the point though. The technical stuff is supposed to vanish. Ideally if a cinematographer or an effects artist is doing their job the only thing the average audience member should be thinking is how perfect what they saw was. How much work it took or the clever innovation you had to do to make it work? It's not supposed to ever even occur to the viewer, because it's just seamless. For a lot of people in the art industries if you notice we were there then we have failed at our jobs.
@yyattt
@yyattt Год назад
Haha, I know what you mean. I suppose the question here is if I thought it was CGI, does that mean they did the job too well?
@MeinCouch123
@MeinCouch123 Год назад
The exponential slow down as you zoom makes so much sense, that explains why my 3D fractal zooms always felt like they were timed wrong- thank you!
@HarhaMedia
@HarhaMedia Год назад
The laser illuminating the fractal makes it so much cooler.
@TheAngryAstronomer
@TheAngryAstronomer Год назад
The subsurface scattering of that laser with the printed material is just luxurious.
@Larslegos
@Larslegos Год назад
I was really excited for this because I recently printed a fractal of the Sierpinski triangle and it's one of my favorite prints. Printing fractals is one of my favorite uses of 3D printing as a beginner.
@TheLordHighNoob
@TheLordHighNoob Год назад
As ever, your videos are among the most consistently, singularly interesting RU-vid content
@FredPauling
@FredPauling Год назад
You could potentially coat the model to reduce the subsurface scattering that is occurring after zooming in. Also, a point source light could reduce the scale variance in the lighting.
@andrewferguson6901
@andrewferguson6901 Год назад
There's a diy fake window that uses fresnel lenses and soapy water that would go great here, plus some dynamic focusing
@Seagull_House
@Seagull_House Год назад
1:46 this is the first video i've ever seen that understands that yes, 2d worlds have parallax!! you don't need to have a fog or have objects glow to discern depth in 2 dimensions, you can judge distance by the width of things alone- THANK YOU
@matthewwhiteside4619
@matthewwhiteside4619 Год назад
There was a fun juxtaposition between how serious your voice sounds and describing that little clamp as "cute".
@ranger.1
@ranger.1 Год назад
There are many videos i have watched on youtube, but this is quality. I can tell I"ll be coming back to rewatch this ,thanks for detailing your process, legend!
@Quizack
@Quizack 11 месяцев назад
This is incredible. Sometimes what can seem like a really basic shot to a complete amateur (like me), can teach you so much about how it was made, and why there’s nothing basic about any part of this shot. There’s so many cool things about this print, and so many problems in creating this, that I would never have appreciated if I just saw the loop alone. It’s analogous to a fractal itself. The more you look, the more you see. It just goes deeper and deeper and deeper.
@keggerius
@keggerius Год назад
The problem with the blurriness at the end of the loop can't be solved only with focusing. The top third of the fractal has one level less detail than the whole thing, and it's well within the resolution limit of the camera to show that difference. If anything, perfect focus would make the transition point more jarring. Printing the fractal with the same smallest level but three times bigger might not get rid of the problem entirely, but it would be three times less noticeable. You would also need a longer rail or a wider angle lens. Of course, I have no idea if that would make the model too complex to print or even if it would still fit in the printer. Remarkable how good it looks despite this, though! Great job!
@luelou8464
@luelou8464 Год назад
Either that or a pinhole aperture with a lot of light or a long exposure.
@keggerius
@keggerius Год назад
Yes, a pinhole could automatically solve the focus and angle of view parts of the problem, but as you say, either a LOT of light or one frame at a time stop motion style.
@ferociousfeind8538
@ferociousfeind8538 Год назад
you'd probably have to first identify the absolute resolution limit your 3d printer is capable of, and then have that limit only used on the 3x smaller copy at the top, and one level less detail on the rest of the fractal, so the before and after shots have the same level of visible imprecision. Though, this might only cover the sides of the smaller copy, as the top of it is another even smaller copy of the whole thing. You could downscale the whole video to 144p to hide the difference in detail at the loop, but then it sort of looks like crap....
@keggerius
@keggerius Год назад
Yeah, adding an extra level of detail to the top third would help, but you would still see that extra detail snapping in at the start of the loop, just only on the top third rather than the whole fractal. The difference in detail would also be noticeable between the two parts during the zoom-in. Also, doing it manually one frame at a time for long exposures would be much more time-consuming, and you'd have to calculate and measure the exact position for each shot, but it would also remove the requirement to have a motorized slide altogether.
@Captainllama
@Captainllama Год назад
Beautiful and brilliant, right down to the precise duration of the final laser-lit loop.
@FrancoisMathieu
@FrancoisMathieu Год назад
Learning has never been more accessible, thank you for taking the time to make this amazing video. Quite inspiring!
@agepbiz
@agepbiz Год назад
Great walkthrough on how you made it and the end result was awesome!
@henryzhang3961
@henryzhang3961 Год назад
oh man this is cool, watching the blurry one fade into a sharper one is so satisfying
@GlitchedBlox
@GlitchedBlox Год назад
There's an awesome work being put on this video. From the perspective explanation to the exponential zoom. I don't get how it only has 200k views.
@valovanonym
@valovanonym Год назад
Very nice project! I love the infinite zoom on the picture you made you showed at the begining
@BakeBakePi
@BakeBakePi Год назад
So cool! I love the fractal in the dark with the laser at the end!
@BasenjiAdventures
@BasenjiAdventures Год назад
Wow. I love that you took the time to figure all this out and to share all the details. This really is fascinating. I’ve seen quite a few computer generated fractal zooms, but this is the first real life one I’ve ever seen. Very creative!
@TheRealLongname
@TheRealLongname Год назад
Amazing work all around. Truly stellar
@paulathevalley
@paulathevalley 11 месяцев назад
the ending footage with the laser is super cool and mesmerizing
@djannias
@djannias Год назад
Amazing work Henry , thank you for sharing the journey
@bmxt939
@bmxt939 Год назад
It always amazes me when a person has the patience for such things.
@narniadici1976
@narniadici1976 Год назад
Stunning work!
@klaasvaak8009
@klaasvaak8009 4 месяца назад
ah man the exhibition real life photo zoom is INCREDIBLE.. I am so happy you let me see that, thank you.
@SebastianMerkl
@SebastianMerkl Год назад
Fractals were a thing that brought me to programming, seeing that effect in real-life is super cool! Very nice work! And I don´t know if this thing has an official name, but your structur is basically a reversed Menger Sponge :)
@user-gz1ej4ig1q
@user-gz1ej4ig1q Год назад
Fascinating work! If you have a camera with manual focus adjustment you can get a perfect focus for the whole movement like how the movies use a person doing it manually called focus puller.
@DPCinemaTalk
@DPCinemaTalk Год назад
I must point out that in cinematography terms at least, this is no longer a zoom. It is a push as the camera is moving towards the subject. Very impressive. If you want to do a zoom-only with a single photo, you would need to position the camera very far away (Perhaps you could jerry-rig a 600mm zoom lens for this) so that the difference between the smaller scale version and the larger scale version perspective-wise is negligible, however the way you have done it is wonderfully cinematic.
@henryseg
@henryseg Год назад
Right, as I was hoping, the parallax really adds to it. And of course you’re correct about the terminology. Mathematical terms also get plenty of misuse in contexts with a broader audience - it’s fun to be on the other side this time!
@chriswyoung1
@chriswyoung1 Год назад
I really appreciate the time and effort you put into your videos. Thanks!
@NigelMelanisticSmith
@NigelMelanisticSmith Год назад
8:40 Shoutout to the cutest clamp of all time being how my Vive Basestations are held for VR lol.
@mscupcakes
@mscupcakes Год назад
This is some amazing dedication, really great work!
@ReasonMakes
@ReasonMakes Год назад
So, so cool, and so well done!
@asherwilkins465
@asherwilkins465 Год назад
You make some of the coolest videos out there, thank you man!
@benmcreynolds8581
@benmcreynolds8581 Год назад
The way the structure is, it really seems like you could play with many ways of lighting the piece up. To highlight & contrast the textures of the design.
@olaczyk
@olaczyk 8 месяцев назад
Bro the laser looks so cool I love it omg
@SweetFlexZ
@SweetFlexZ 9 месяцев назад
I need this loop as my new desktop wallpaper!!!
@eamonia
@eamonia Год назад
Dude, this is so freaking cool! Seriously, this is way too rad.
@LloydLadera
@LloydLadera Год назад
Beautiful effect! This video plus the 3d print would make for a great museum piece.
@EvanTownsend
@EvanTownsend Год назад
This is so cool. Thank you for sharing. Also, your voice is really nice to listen to for a long explanation. Thanks for the narration
@niklas2430
@niklas2430 Год назад
Your videos are always such a delight.
@josefranciscotrevino3051
@josefranciscotrevino3051 Год назад
Great work. I'm nerding out so hard!
@iestynne
@iestynne 11 месяцев назад
Never stop doing what you do!
@Abdal-RahmanI
@Abdal-RahmanI Год назад
What a madman! It's unfathomable the size of his brain just to get the animation recorded and edited, but to explain the process and all the related concepts? My god
@FPVMystique
@FPVMystique Год назад
Brilliant work Henry!
@iurikroth2281
@iurikroth2281 Год назад
dude. youre a genius Ive tried to do a simple animation loop in my comic "hole" and cant do it properly and its just a 2D drawing!! youve dome it with a 3D PHYSICAL OBJECT!! its amazing!
@Packbat
@Packbat Год назад
That is so fun! I'm glad you were able to make it work!
@nightflareplayz2009
@nightflareplayz2009 7 месяцев назад
This legit looks so mesmerizing. So cool that you could do this without any of the distortions! 😊👍👍
@carykh
@carykh 9 месяцев назад
Wow, fascinating!
@aybiss
@aybiss 9 месяцев назад
Cool work!
@TheNewton
@TheNewton Год назад
Good transition match cuts between two objects is hard but fixed with a fade. Good match cuts between takes of the same object is harder. Good match cuts between takes of a physical fractal is pretty amazing.
@RoboCritter
@RoboCritter Год назад
Amazing work, well done!
@surendersolanki1969
@surendersolanki1969 8 месяцев назад
Awesome video and awesome dude!
@thedebapriyakar
@thedebapriyakar Год назад
absolutely mindblowing
@skun406
@skun406 Год назад
That's pretty cool, I like it!
@truefiasco2637
@truefiasco2637 Год назад
really well done! In my computer animations of fractal zooms I avoid focusing on the tip but will 'look at'/focuse on a particular point of an iterations surface and then calculate what that point would be on a matching matching surface of the next iteration but different orientation, doing all the same things you did where speed is proportional to distance from the lookat point. If I had a chance to do a project like this I'd love to use a 6dof programable gimble for the fractal. can you get some linear actuators and build a real life hypercube which can rotate along the 6 4d axis next? ;)
@drifterdogs
@drifterdogs Год назад
fantastic work! nicely done!!!!
@joshinils
@joshinils Год назад
This is very interesting, thank you for making this video
@grzesiekl.8776
@grzesiekl.8776 Год назад
Just truly amazing!
@DashieDasher
@DashieDasher Год назад
I think I can understand why you didn't also go to the effort of creating an automatic focus adjustment as well, but I think just a touch less blurriness would really sell me on the effect
@Cynadyde
@Cynadyde 8 месяцев назад
That's awesome! Would love to see a large scale model. A life size one in a park.
@Pleeze
@Pleeze Год назад
Very beautiful and impressive!
@MaximSchoemaker
@MaximSchoemaker Год назад
Incredible! 🔥🔥🔥
@chrisroode
@chrisroode Год назад
Thank you! You just gave me a better fractal to make in minecraft instead of a serpinski cube!
@aedenoleary
@aedenoleary 7 месяцев назад
Or a Menger Sponge
@OskarPuzzle
@OskarPuzzle Год назад
Fantastic!
@TheStringBreaker
@TheStringBreaker 6 месяцев назад
*Absolutely amazing!*
@Gandhi_Physique
@Gandhi_Physique 9 месяцев назад
I stared intensely at those fractal bits that were demonstrated and when it came back to normal video my vision was going crazy lol. The world is bloopin and warpin everywhere like I'm on something lol
@Android480
@Android480 5 месяцев назад
This is so cool, fantastic job
@sophiawolfe
@sophiawolfe 4 месяца назад
Wow, this is so incredible
@RedValleyMilsim
@RedValleyMilsim Год назад
Damn cool. So much problem solving going on throughout the video. Kudos to your ingenuity
@GAHIB14DomTrapFurryLoliYaoiMil
@GAHIB14DomTrapFurryLoliYaoiMil 8 месяцев назад
Awesome stuff
@reznoire
@reznoire Год назад
That very last shot is sick
@fete0
@fete0 4 месяца назад
i love fractals because it gives a glimpse of what the universe looks like
@mvvo7366
@mvvo7366 7 месяцев назад
the zoom in doesnt account for focus which kind of breaks the illusion, amazing work
@scottwilliams895
@scottwilliams895 Год назад
Brilliant work! Your channel deserves faaar more Subs, Views.
@kikivoorburg
@kikivoorburg Год назад
Very neat!
@Gekoloudios
@Gekoloudios Год назад
Really cool video. Though I'd still like to see it done with other fractals or maybe a very high res 3d print so the loop looks more seamless
@sanfordgfogg
@sanfordgfogg Год назад
There is a study performed of a rain forest square area, where they measured each tree, and found a fractal correlation. Your blood vessels in your body branch fractally, as well as many plants grow in a fractal organization. Great video about all the variable considerations. The Last one I could see was the focal point needs to change per the flow as well, but maybe that would make it too much computer generated like.
@blehbleh8552
@blehbleh8552 Год назад
This was simply amazing
@eurometrixproductions7
@eurometrixproductions7 Год назад
Wow this is Awesome ! I Love Your Dedication man!!
@j1n3
@j1n3 Год назад
the cutest clamp of all times
@tjf2939
@tjf2939 6 месяцев назад
Great work! Kinda trippy seeing an "real" fractal object in a video
@kriaz9916
@kriaz9916 7 месяцев назад
if you used a probe lens so you could get a lot closer and do it with a larger variety of shapes i can imagine this could work really well
@lazzerbear
@lazzerbear Год назад
excellent work my man.
@beatlezyt
@beatlezyt Год назад
love all the work and love you put in to this vis +1 sub! :D
@fractalgenesis3474
@fractalgenesis3474 Год назад
Very nice! Have you ever printed a fractal in resin? I had difficulty using filament so I used resin and i'll tell you what, It really hit the sweet spot. Not only is it easier to set up but its more refined, strong and when used with a transparent resin it looks just like some kind of crazy crystal from a scifi movie. Due to the fractals transparency I am able to appreciate the underlying order and geometric structure of the fractal. And when exposed to a lazer, bad ass. I even attemted to dope the resin with graphene with no success of it being very conductive. Well anyway this is a big inspiration to me.
@kexcz8276
@kexcz8276 Год назад
That 3D Koch flake is just incredible! :O
@nemesisurvivorleon
@nemesisurvivorleon Год назад
I love this channel so much
@benparker5512
@benparker5512 Год назад
That was insane! It was hard for my head to believe it was real
@seraaron
@seraaron 8 месяцев назад
You could also do a stop motion fractal zoom by 3D printing each 'frame' of the zoom animation
@henryseg
@henryseg 8 месяцев назад
Sounds expensive!
@Pr0HoN
@Pr0HoN Год назад
Great work, great video!
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