Let alone the inflated purchase price. Normal diesel partner van is £19k and this electric one is £28k, you can get a fair bit of diesel ten grand, then of course there's the lead balloon which is the resale value of electric vehicles. Nope, thanks anyway.
@@whatyousaidbud that 10 grand would probably fuel a diesel van for most if not all of the lease/financing period which makes it a better buy seeing as you’ll be giving it back or selling it within 5 years or just keeping it for a longer time but would have still saved money
It isn't a thing.Motors replacing outdated combustion technology.Children breath in the gasses out the exhaust it is worth every penny to save their health.
The cost of lost time when you could be working instead of waiting for it to charge must be considerable. Looking around for a suitable or available charger would do my head in.
Max two people, 30min charge(pretending you find usable charger first time) so that's an hour of wages gone, if you've got materials onboard that guys on site are waiting for then you can multiply that half hour by the amount of people waiting, they just aren't practical. What they need to be doing is completely stopping all the office worker types from driving great big 5 seater cars through the cities and make them use 1 or 2 seater electric buggies instead of trying to cut emissions from vans/lorries etc. which a a necessary vehicle and used to their fullest the majority of the time.
Yeah, cops don't have to chase, just turn your motor off, mind you, how long before there are get arounds for sale? Some smart alec will figure them out.
I have 2.5 tonnes of tools and tow up to 2000kg. I don't have 2 hours to refuel and I dont have thousands of £ for a ev. I have a 12-year-old diesel with, 100000 miles on it and it still passes emissions. It costs £120 a year to tax, refiling takes minutes giving a 300 mile range.
How do they go on a freezing cold and wet night with the heater on full blast, the wipers on flat out, lights on etc? Would be interested to know what sort of range to expect under these conditions.
From experience, you use the heater and AC (to prevent fogging up) and it really depends on if there's a heat pump for the loss of range. We got about 20% less range then but that was the 24KWh van so disproportionate to the 40KWh version. Don't need heater write so much as there's heated steering wheel and seats. Lights and wipers make no noticeable difference to range.
Well, Norway is the worlds most EV bying country per capita. I dont know if you know, but we are not known for how hot is it here. But if you live in a part of the UK with temperatures below -30 c there might be som issues. But then again everybody in Norway knows that the range decreases when you have to use some of the power for heating. It's the same concept as driving with a box trailer behind your petrol car, for some unknown mysterious reason the extra weight and drag causes the car to use more fuel.
Great van I’ve go a berlingo diesel but still don’t like having to wait to charge as I’m a heating engineer I carry a lot of gear all the time so would reduce the range not happy sticking with the diesel 👍
I don't think there's any which cost £1. The most expensive I'm aware of are the Ionity chargers at 0.69p kWh but those are extremely fast chargers and that's the price of convenience. Most raids are less than 0.50p kwh
Getting my 204ps DEISEL DSG VW Transporter Sportline soon. Cant wait. My wife has a Range Rover Evoque and has never charged it from the house as all chargers at shopping centres are full or are not working. DEISEL lives!!!!
EV drivers can be very sure there will be new taxes to replace the lost revenue from Diesel sales. And when sales of EVs take off, even less certainty of finding a working and available charging point.
Death and Taxes are certain agreed. There will be more charge points and they will get more reliable. We will see if there are enough charge points to go round.
The solution will be simple. Make it so not everyone can afford to even own or drive a car anymore. This is coming. Remember....the people in charge, their slogan is "you will own nothing and be happy about it". They are already trialling 15min zones around the UK, which will in the future be the limit of travel and going outside of the zone will be rare or infrequent. They are using the Climate Change lies to fool normies into giving up everything in the pursuit of using fewer resources.
We've been running Nissan ENV-200s in London since 2014, where they were charged in our office car park in Waterloo. The early 24 KWh models only had 100-ish mile range, fine for town but the newer 40KWh version can go much further as long as you schedule a fast charge session with ZapMap. Now the vans are being taken home, charging costs are much higher but once you remove cost of the congestion charge every day it's still a no brainer to run. Diesel vans are costing us several hundred more a month to run. Also, virtually nothing to break on an EV, tyres are the only thing to replace so servicing is basically optional. We fully charged our first two vans every night and never lost any range - but maybe that's because they weren't fast charged. Leasing is what you do with vans, can't imagine buying any as we just get the new, better van when the lease is up.
Not only builders are using vans... However, on winter time I finish my job about 5 pm, so it is dark. I don't know what kind of builder you are if you are at home before 3pm
The closest experience I've had is my electric self propelled mower. Its very digital - either on or off with the accompanying wheel spin that creates when engaging drive.
New Citroen Berlingo e has been launched £37k for a van! £17k more than the diesel. I don’t think your going to save £17k in diesel in the lifetime of the vehicle plus the cost of the electric
The diesel will last 4 times longer and isn’t as dirty as an electric van when you take into account the full build process. For every 1 ton of lithium mined you need to move 1000 tons of other materials plus how toxic these lithium mines are and the child slavery used.
I think electric vans are where electric cars were around 2015, limited range and not many people want them yet. I think once they improve battery technology to get 400 miles with a decent load so you only charge at home/depot overnight, that will make it much more appealing.
400 miles? If a builder needs to do 400 miles a day something is wrong, 50 miles in a day more like for a builder, unless he's crap of course and the locals all know this so he has to venture further out.
@@cj9852 my thought process was that maybe a tradesperson might forget to charge one night or just want the safety of knowing if something doesn’t work or a rapid charger is out of service you can crack on and no worry about running out.
@@daverossy What, are you suggesting builders are stupid, next you will tell me they leave expensive tools in a van overnight, despite having a sticker on the back of the van to remind them not to leave tools in the van overnight.
@@cj9852 I’m a gas engineer , tend to do 100-150 miles daily with the calls I do. I don’t want to have to charge every night plus sometimes if the money is right , I will travel to a different location where I can easily clock up 250 miles per day..Again I will not have time to stop and charge while I’m out at work and it’s always good to have spare power left .. just in case . But yep .. builders may just drive to one location , do the work and back home
We've had electric for a year now (Renault Zoe) and it's been great, with very little issues with charging even on long journeys. We use slow chargers (free) as destination charging whilst shopping, eating out, visiting relatives, or even working... Having a site charging area would help, even at 3kwh...we use 3kwh at home and the local supermarket for free (7kwh)...
@@ellis2792 The same arguments applied to fuel based vehicles at one time...put weight in them and they don't move...vans couldn't carry more than 1/2 ton, trucks less than 20 tons (but not uphill)... Our transportation systems made more sense when it was integrated: rail, canal, trams, trolleybuses, bicycles etc... No one system will work long term as there are too many variables...sending Amazon packages in fleets of trucks (electric or otherwise) is ridiculous...
Not being snarky or anything but there is no such thing as free. Somewhere down the line the cost will be passed on to you, in ways that might be less obvious like increased council tax, parking charges, food prices at outlets with chargers etc. You get the idea.
@@EgoShredder "Free" means what exactly...? If a supermarket can 'print Money' (vouchers, discounts, loyalty cards) what does money mean...if Tesco's energy comes from PV on their roof, they can supply the energy for whatever price THEY choose (28p per kWh atm)...if your energy company says you owe them £x (even though you can prove you don't) what are you going to do? If your modern car isn't allowed to travel (GPS tracking and SMART connection) due to exceeding your 'CO2 limits' what are you going to do? Yes, I am aware of the pitfalls, but you seem to think Money is real...it isn't, it's an abstract form of exchange and as such can be manipulated (see the Forex trading) by whoever plays the game the best...
A van is only a van when you can get an 8x4 in it. Anything else is a rebranded car without windows. And i don't care if it runs on petrol, diesel or fairy dust.
I'd be interested to see a test of an electric version of the power barrow you loaded in the back. That's an application where electric might actually be loads better. I have seen a couple for sale but haven't seen anyone using them yet so not sure if they're any good
Connection charge £1. £1 per kWh. And if the chatger doesnt disconnect and reconnect count yourself lucky you dont have one or two extra connection charges.
Commercial electrical supplies are on a different price level as not subject to any price regulation like domestic. So charging is going to be prohibitive. Unless the government subsidises charge point providers.
@@macsmith6216 Yep. So many extra costs none of these review videos talk about. That's genuinely no criticism of Comrade Bisby. Factor in depreciation of replacement battery packs (bet people will go for "refurbed" units - which doesn't make any sense), excess tyre wear as these EVs are super heavy and knacker tyres quicker. Electricity charges are going up. Not saying a pint of diesel won't cost £5 at some point. What is funny is that as the battery wears out and range reduces, the weight of a battery doesn't decrease. So you still have to lug around a ton of battery with a battery that has reduced range. I've never seen a even a badly maintained diesel Transit reduce it's mpg from 35 to 20 after 175,000 miles of hard use.
@@macsmith6216 Depends where it's charged. A home domestic tariff with an off peak rate can be between 7.5p to 11p per kWh. The public charge points have pricing that should be considered over occasional use for it to make sense. However when petrol or diesel fuel changes price, it's pretty much that price... Everywhere... Every day.
No becauee they have a butty anyway. But on the plus side, you don't need to send your van in for servicing so there is a day saved pissing around dropping vans off and picking them up. Assuming nothing breaks.
We have a Peugeot and I won’t buy another electric vehicle for a while. Batteries really need to improve first. Had a service mechanic driving it and he had to charge twice a day, which took atleast 30 minutes per charge. Range was supposed to be 170 but in reality it was 100-110 at best and a lot less when he had a ladder on the roof. In my opinion these electric vans are far from ready to replace diesel vans.
Miles against any cost saving is more to the point. If you want to have the worry of getting home everyday, loaded, in the back of your mind all day then these are for you. But as you slowly get fatter whilst stopped and waiting for it to charge, as well as greatly lengthening your day, which will get even longer when there are more on the road waiting for the same charge points, again these are for you. If your a 24 hour breakdown callout engineer you may as well take a bed for when you run out of power or load your own generator. A to B loaded at no more than 80 miles round trip, these again are for you. A to B of unknown mileage, or say 350 plus days work, a total waste of time and money. All very friendly talking to people whilst waiting for the charge up, drinking and eating when you don't really need to, plus the added cost of that. Not one made yet for the travelling working man covering big miles and has to carry a van full of tools and racks full of needed bits.and maybe a few ladders. Or not one that I can find as of yet, but then I have stopped looking.
Totally with you on this, I do groundworks and carpentry, only 3.5t van I could find was a Renault Master, £78k for a start, then 85mile range empty in the daytime (even according to Renault's own website!!) 16hr charge from a standard 3pin plug(so you could definitely charge it on site) and to top it off they only guarantee the battery for 5yrs and only to 75% capacity, so after 5 yrs you've paid nearly £80k for a van that takes a whole day to charge and runs out after 56miles at best! Utter rubbish! They atleast need to increase the max gross weight of vans from 3500kgs to around 4250kgs (the same as most ambulances are) to accommodate a much larger battery without sacrificing payload. Of course there would still be charging times to contend with but atleast there would be the opportunity for a greater range.
@@whatyousaidbud Your right, as all the spill you see are local lads doing light work. At the end of this make believe story is either a horse and cart or a battery as big as the van with wheels and a steering wheel with a trailer, that takes a week to charge. I have heard charging rate being £1 / kw/hr, and what makes even the brain dead think it won't get more expensive once caught up in it, is hard to believe. You only have to look at the once buy diesel as it is much cheaper and healthier, so that didn't last to long either even with the Government money input. Sad to say these people need to go to work instead of pretty ride outs playing at it, thinking they are helping the world why not save everyone the hassle and stay at home instead.
No. The cost is just plain stupid. I looked at a Vauxhall Combo short wheelbase EV...£600 a month on a 3-year lease!!! This is for a small van!!! My van is now 9 years old, and I'm keeping it until the manufacturers figure out a way to make EV vans affordable.
@@SkillBuilder You don't know much about mr vine, if you voluntarily appeared on his show. I used to listen to him a lot and liked most of his shows, sometimes came across with stupid comments, now I know what he is, can't stand him.
@@SkillBuilder You can tel a lot about a person by the company they keep ! There are other ways to promote your channel Roger, Vine is vile & attracts a certain cohort...
Peterborough Services actually has two banks of chargers from two different providers. I have an EV but as I live in Peterborough I am never likely to charge there!
Quick question on a different topic. Should 22mm t&g chipboard flooring be supported between joists along the long edge with noggins where it meets the skirting. Iin my case its at the foot of a dormer window where people will stand.? Surely the perimeter should always be supported 🤔. My lazy builder disagrees!
It is always a good idea to support the first free edge and Caber recommend it. If the joists are at 400mm centres it is not so important and with 22mm board I think you will be safe
The charging infrastructure here in the UK (and most other countries) is unreliable rubbish, littered with stupid apps for payment rather than contactless card payments. But when petrol cars first came out no doubt the same issues were prevalent with lack of petrol filing stations. I suspect that for contractors working in a defined locality will all be moving to EVs very rapidly - particularly if they already have solar panels and a battery storage system at home
You failed to mention Zap-Map and that if you charge at home then it is 7.5p not 28p. Also you wake up each day with a full tank and in winter the cab is prewarmed and no ice ever needs scraping.
Where I work we've got 2 Peugeot e-experts, range about 190 miles. We are builders working in conservation. Love the electrics. If we have to got into London we save so much money. They are the future.
If the electric vehicle take over, where will Mr Khan get his money from, then the charges will be the same as they are for petrol and diesel vehicles and you won't be able to charge your vehicle at peak times as this will be banned and will be stuck at the side of the road
You only save money because the taxes and fines are currently aimed at internal combustion vehicles, do you honestly think when the majority of vehicles are electric and not paying road tax or congestion fees etc. that the cost of electricity won't explode to counteract it? You're very short sighted if you do.
@@ivanfernyhough3851 Yep all that lithium mining does more harm than any oil drilling. Then we get on to how its mined and by whom.............. Amazing what many do-gooder normies will ignore, in their pursuit of "zero carbon".
Not sure where are you getting them prices from what I’ve seen on Zap-Map, you’re paying 79p per kilowatt contactless and it’s only 10p you don’t pay contactless. Today as I write this
I'm wondering why a lot of people seams missing to mention that the real problem is that on top of the really expensive van you have to buy after 3-5years (depends on the model) new battery for much over £10k and your old batery is not recyclable (what's happening with that battery after ...who knows?). People promoting the electric vehicle but really don't know the problems behind the scene or just ignore them.
@@SkillBuilder There is oodles of work, the problem is we can't get most tradesmen of there backsides to do the work, it's known up here as Highlanditis. The builder of my house came up from Portsmouth to do the job. My drive to work is 35mins (27 Miles) along side Loch Ness. I can't see anywhere down your neck of the wood where you could travel the same distance in less than double that time and certainly not with such beautiful scenery.
I know two lads who went electric vsn route, both say, biggest mistake of their lives, costs more than a diesel can to run, constantly looking for charge points that are either busy, broken or not close enough. The whole electric vehicle sham will fall flat on its arse in a couple of year
The battery on an EV should not drop below 20% or go above 80% charge. So you've really got 60% range if you want it to last. They are not practicle for a builder. With a very heavy load in the winter the range will be abysmal. Don't buy one, if you do you"ll regret it!
The 20-80% rule is somewhat true, but not entirely. A petrol/diesel car should also not be driven at peak performance all day. they are much more happy if you drive them in the 20-80% range of their ratet kW. And if you are a builder you have to choose a car that is suitable for the tasks you need it to perform. a Mini Cooper might be a bad choice even if it is a petrol car the same way a EV van might be a bad choice if you most of the times have to drive 200 miles to and from work every day.
@@SimonEllwood Strange then when the manufacturers recommend that ideally you don't let a Lithium Ion battery fall below 20% and charge above 80% if you want the battery to last it's maximum life. Obviously you can ignore that but the battery will prematurely deteriorate. Even on my Samsung tablet this is Samsung's recommendation!
@@JoppeOSL No, you can drive a petrol/diesel vehicle with a nearly empty tank or a completely full tank it will not affect the lifespan of the engine or performance. It's nothing to do with performance it's the range and battery condition of an EV that is relevant.
@@brucejoseph8367 Tesla State "For regular use, we recommend keeping your car set within the 'Daily' range bracket, up to approximately 90%. Charging up to 100% is best saved for when you are preparing for a longer trip. You can adjust how full the battery charges from the charge settings menu."
I drive a electric van at work,I must say it's really good to drive smooth and quite,and good heater in the cab,and there are getting better all the time would not go back to a noisy smelly diesel
You walk up to the nearest house with an extension lead and all if you can charge a bit (offering then a bit of cash of course). You can usually find electricity in every occupied building. ;)
@@alanhall1219 I understand that, just needs a few extension leads right? ;) (Or don't drive until dead and find someone helpful while there's still power). I think it's like any fuel type, you adapt. I had my trusty old Volvo converted to LPG 200,000 miles ago and took it to Scotland and back. You just learn to plan ahead better. One day, I was having a discussion with someone at work who laughed and said there was no LPG on his route to work. Thing is, if you don't need it, you don't know to look for it and next morning I presented him with two fuelling options on his trip. We had a Nissan Leaf but gave up with public charging at the time in 2015, about to take delivery of a Tesla next month. The supercharger network is just so far ahead of others, it was a no brainer. Tomorrow though, we're doing a 450 mile trip which will be effortless in our diesel car. Everyone just needs to pick what works for their circumstances, definitely not a one size fits all.
Your kw costs are WAY out. The cheapest i've found in the Shires is 49p most expensive i've found is 86p plus hook up charge (around a month ago) and i have no doubt it will be more expensive tomorrow. It is now cheaper per mile to run petrol or diesel plus the vehicle costs around half the price (not withstanding the environmental costs of electric vehicles). Fortunately i live in the land of the SNFree (Scotland) where it costs £0.00 to charge at a public point (there are some who charge) although i think My Mighty Leader Nicola, may have to change that policy. Don't get me wrong, i love my electric car but i would never have one as a work van unless i carried a generator. The save the planets think we were all born with a zip up the back of our heads and even the asleeps will wake from their hibernation over this coming winter.
The reality is I will still have the diesel. you did a journey that was 80 miles it’s depleted your battery by 100 miles you had 60 left roughly so this means before you can set off home from a long day at work you have to stop off and charge your vehicle which means your day becomes even longer..
I've talked to guys who drive/drove electric vans and all said that is fun to drive but the short range which becomes shorter with time, the lack of power when the van is fully loaded, the lost time when charging makes it a nightmare.
That EVM (Electric Vehicle Man) RU-vid channel did a van video the other day, and said how fast and zippy it was etc. They were running it with nothing in the back lol. It's hard to talk with the guy on that channel, as he just refuses to accept there is anything bad about electric or any issues. He thinks £50K is a bargain and yet for many people that would get them a luxury petrol model for that price and spare change. In my own case, I have yet to spend that amount in 30 years of owning, driving and maintaining cars lol.
Keep going down the ev route, they will be able to switch you off whenever they want. Same with smart meters, they can be locked out remotely whenever they want. They would never do that.....would they??????
@@SkillBuilder The controllers of nearly all governments, and corporations, The WEF, Klaus Schwaab, George Sorros, Rothchilds, Blackrock ,Vanguard ,Rockerfellas etc etc. Klauss Schwaab has openly boasted he has control of a lot of heads of governments and most of their cabinets. Watch Uk Collumn News for some truthful news rather than the lies the controlled Mainstream media pump out.
EV should only ever be charged to 100% when absolutely necessary... regular ongoing charging to 100% will damage your extremely expensive batteries.. keep your diesel and petrol cars and vans as long as possible folks...
@@waynekerrr9027 lithium iron phosphate is a different chemistry to Lithium Ion. Not as energy dense, but can handle more charge cycles and most companies (including Tesla who use that chemistry on Model 3 RWD) advise charging regularly to 100% if using LiFePO4 as they're less volatile. They only balance properly at high or low SOC as they have a really flat charging curve.
The amount of people that have told me they wouldn’t trust there electric vehicle on a motorway turns me off,and I’m far from convinced it’s the future.
As I get older, I don't even like wasting time allowing RU-vids adverts to run, - I always skip them, so the idea of having to sit around waiting to charge a van every 100 miles or so just wouldn't work for me.
My friend has one of the Nissan electric vans. He’s a window cleaner so around 300l of water onboard. So 300lb plus other equipment. He gets 50-60miles on a full charge. Just about manages for his rounds. But no good for me. I’m a valeter. 50miles isn’t enough. Joke
You are just going to live in fear of a flat battery and nowhere to charge it. How do they rescue dead EVs? 20 something years ago RAC collected me from my stranded Ford and drove me to petrol station to pick up a can of petrol to get my car going again (petrol gauge was broken so I had to guess and got it wrong. Once) Turn around time 20 minutes. What do they do now when you get stuck for three hours on the A11 and your battery dies?
@@SkillBuilder There's nothing quite like a choc bar to give you a charge and get you through the day. Comrade Bisby. An idea for a future video! What's the best chocolate bar/biscuit to keep a builder going through the day? Maybe different trades need different chocolate bars/biscuits?
Driving round charging a van and eating sandwiches, sounds like an average lazy builder, and when the customer complains about the final price they will blame materials.
Seriously.....what's wrong with hybrid I'd be interested in that but electric only is just bullshit It was done on the black cabs and my brother gets 40 miles to a charge
It cost 54% of the equivalent diesel, now when that van is down to the 75% range that the manufacturer actually only guarantee, it'll cost atleast 70% of the equivalent diesel and only be doing 127miles to a charge 🥳🥳🥳
Sorry but when you have a fully loaded van almost every day and have to travel more than 50 miles you basicaly spend half your day at chargers... they are not fit for anything more than light inner city transport.. i wont switch to one for shit.
All battery vehicles are dirtier than ICE when you take in the whole build process, and with new diesel fuels on their way will make these short life dirty electric vehicles obsolete.
And the awful lithium and cobalt mining process where they use kids as slave labour and pay them virtually nothing, but hey, that's in someone else's back yard so it's ok. You still get to drive with your virtue still intact. Also,there's no way on earth that there's enough of this stuff for everyone to own an ev.
Lets be honest about this, rapid chargers are 'just' at the point were most people will accept them. There is no where enough of them and they are highly used and many are out of order a lot of time. The cost of these units are now becoming eye watering as the cost of Electricity is now going up, I will not move my vehicles over to all electric until I cant by Petrol/Diesel versions.
Now do a real-world test of a cold winters morning, heaters on full, headlights on, wipers on, Radio on, mobile phone charging and a full load of plasterboard in the back. The odd 30mins sat in traffic with all the above still running.
Problem is, if such batteries become popular in EVs, if you then put 4 or 5 chargers at a recharging station that can spew out the kilowatts at the rate required to do that, and the cars show up to recharge, the charging station would need an electrical supply of megawatts and megawatts and megawatts. It becomes a big electricity infrastructure headache. They'd probably end up putting a battery INSIDE the charger - so that it could charge up more slowly off the grid, but then be able to rapidly dump its load into a car. Then you get the problem of when there's another car wanting to do the same immediately afterwards, but the charger's battery hasn't refilled yet !
There is a Chinese company called Neo producing cars where you buy the car without a battery for £xxxx cheaper then lease a battery that is then swapped out in under 5 minutes. That might work if it comes here. Have a watch of this. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YT1raxxvrHo.html
@@hunchanchoc8418 yep, it's a change of mindset where with an EV, you charge wherever and whenever you can, rather than having to "fill up" an energy tank because that's all you have. Lots of problems to solve and change to come.
Entertaining video, good few jokes. To be honest those Partners and Expert vans are cheap and nasty, we had the diesel models at work, they just can't handle the abuse like the old Transits. Electronic handbrakes and gizmos are more to go wrong and make you a lazy driver which is unsafe. Probably fine if you lease them. Given the prices of vans right now, an estate car isn't a bad option.
The only electric work vehicle that interests me is the Ford 150 lighting, that looks genuinely useful, can actually tow, carry some load and run your house. Probably too girthy for Uk roads and probably best if you have your own solar panels etc, plus base list price is unobtainable.
The reports of batteries being unserviceable after 8 years and not supposed to charge to more than 80 percent or depleat more than 20 percent, I like the idea of electric but for me I'd rather have something I could keep for upto 20 years not 8!
Those reports are BS. The battery will outlast the van. Current data suggests that batteries will be good for 15 years and 300,000 miles at a minimum. Even after that they can be recycled as permanent battery storage.
Not convinced,personally I do big mileage as a shop fitting spark Maybe when the true range is 1000 miles I may be swayed So when I retire when I am 85 in 23 years time we might be there😂😂
