Really That Good: INDEPENDENCE DAY 

What th- what are you doing here, Olly???

I know I'm way late here, but wasn't a lot of the humans technology was reverse engineered from the alien craft they found?

@@paulheap1982 Furthermore the aliens were using human satellites to communicate with one another across the planet, meaning that they must have purposefully made their OSes compatible with human technology to do it, in the process giving Dave an opening to exploit with his computer virus. He even says so "just as they used our satellites against us we'll use their signal against them."

Actually what's funny is that even if they had computer security the attack still would have worked. David's attack would have been a day zero attack, which antivirus would not have helped against. Resitriction of privilage may have gotten them however they were linked to the mothership so...

@@paulheap1982 yes

Let us note that given the vast majority of Hollywood being Democrats with an agenda of spreading a global AIDS epidemic by covering up unsafe sex with abortions, drug overdoses, identity group class warfare, and every other form of insanely suicidal self-destructive behavior in order to downsize the population of the world to something small enough for media monopolies to micromanage by Orwellian thought control, it's sort of like expecting some People's Temple mass suicide cult to create Frank Capra's It's a Wonderful Life.

@@jimscribner8314 I think your tinfoil hat slipped, buddy.

Kind of goes hand-in-hand with the idea of grim, gritty, depressed "realism" being smarter.

docterfantazmo That explains the guy sensei profile picture. Can't argue with you at all

TheWolvesDen True facts, it's natural/enjoyable to feel melancholy or sad but that's ALL a large chunk of adult media seems to acknowledge and the rest has this real condescending tone whenever it does have a bit of fun. Got to acknowledge that we're not serious, gods forbid people have genuine fun and not act like a bunch of snarky twats.

Its weird in most of my adult intake its probably more jaded but video game intake is the entire joy/fun to balance it out. One thing I appreciate with Movie Bob is his desire to challenge that and makes me reconsider the value of more light hearted films

docterfantazmo I think the last crowd pleaser that just asked us to smile and look at awesome stuff that wasn't a Marvel, Pixar, or Disney movie was Pacific Rim.

KazeAizen Pacific Rim was basically a less stupid version of ID4, odd that Bob didn't bring it up.

Actually, ironically, he says he doesn't nitpick on stupid shit, because he feels to him, it isn't stupid shit. Like others. To me, I see him as nitpicking stupid shit on the social justice themes very often.

i thought it was mindless USA! USA! USA! propaganda then and have seen more of the same since.

Phantom9252 sorry to say but the sequel fail! it didn't have any direction beside cliché alien movie

I totally agree. My big concern, however, is how he feels about Emmerich's other films and will he still be thinking the same things about how genius he is.

Too bad it really was an eye roll

Oof 4 years later... didn’t age well..

R3GARnator I agree with both reviews. I like what Bob had to say, but it's just too goddamn cheesy for me!

R3GARnator i wish he did one that was not rely that good

JOTARO KUJO That would be missing the point.

R3GARnator Both of them are correct.. ID is cheesy popcorn movie what isn't good overall in any way, but also it isn't downright bad as it work as exactly what it is.. a popcorn movie! NC target nostalgia and so it is obvious that he point out all flows what he find. Bob ask question about what good is in something, and he point out what worked. And so any of those opinions aren't wrong, just different point of view.

Except MovieBob didn't merely say it wasn't bad, he said it was good. So no they can't both be right.

Bro, same! This movie literally brings to life all the little aspects I appreciated about it. Regardless of what they say, the attention to detail in these small things is what makes it my favorite film of all time

Some people are "die-hard" purists meaning if tha movie doesn't explicitly say so then it doesn't count|

Katie Baily I think he did, yeah.

EssThree Yea, it's a physical need.

Katie Baily X Files never aged as well. Trust me, I loved the show in its day, but now it's just not the same. Also the movies, especially the second one, were just not good.

The X-files aged so bad, it people started to realized how bad it was, before it's original run was over. To bad that at that moment they already committed to a movie which became synopsis of the series.

@@Traumglanz Nah, a good deal of the stand-alone episodes still hold up very, very well. It's the mythology stuff that don't hold up.

Goatmon Forced? *Definitely.* Overly long? Sure! Displaying frustration and/or disappointment? Certainly. Angry, though? Have you *ever* been *actually* angry? Because it does not sound like that at all. Use your words... you are typing on a combination dictionary/thesaurus, after all.

Peter S "haHaHa haHaHaHa, That is so fucking funny!" and then he proceeds to rant for the next 90 seconds. That is classic "I'm so angry, I'm going to good-naturedly SCREAM sarcasm at the mic in a way that barely hides my seething frustration"

sloucho84 It's still not anger. You really need a dictionary to go along with your emotional states, apparently.

Peter S And you need to understand subtext apparently. I summed it up pretty well, I thought.

sloucho84 I saw what you said. I saw the video. I say, for the last time, if you think that is anger you need to get outside and have some real emotions. That ain't it.

Neil Brown That would be stupid. The whole point of "Really That Good" is to examine well-beloved films to find out WHY they are so well-liked on a technical and thematic level. It is a show about positivity and validation in a landscape that seems to be increasingly about negativity and mocking, which is what makes it kind of unique. You want to watch more shows about tearing people's enjoyment down? Good for you, there are a 1000 shows like that around the internet. You are not getting this one though.

I didn't say I don't want Moviebob to not talk about how movies are awesome. So far he's been right that these movies are all great! But it feels like just another circlejerk where everyone just nods their heads and says "yup, that classic is a classic." Some variety would make it much more interesting.

Neil Brown But that is still missing the goddamn point. Take out the focus on positivity and validation of beloved films and RTG is just another review show, no different from any other on the internet. The variety comes from the kind of films he looks at and how they do different things well. Simply alternating between "this is good" and "this is bad" is not any meaningful variety. If focusing on positive stuff is circle jerking to you, then maybe that is what we actually need.

If Moviebob's intent is to have a show where, as you put it, the entire point is "the focus on positivity and validation of beloved films" then his show is pointless besides fan pandering. Some critical analysis from him would be spectacular, and it's definitely something he's done in the past. He's willing to call out movies for not being as great as it could be (remember how awestruck he was at Man of Steel at first), it feels disappointing that he wouldn't continue to do that. You of course can have your opinion on what Moviebob should do in his videos, I just disagree with them.

Neil Brown So you don't think that Bob has been doing any "critical analysis" in his 30+min videos looking at beloved films from multiple angles and perspectives? Solid logic there. You are living proof of why this show needs to exist. "Criticism" is not synonymous with "negativity", and critically analyzing WHY a film has moved so many rather than asking if it SHOULD move that many is not "fan pandering".

j Hughes I'd love an example. Honestly, I can't remember a single episode from that show, and I watched a fair chunk of it during it's run...mostly because the Simpsons was on right after :/

"Clyde Bruckman's Final Repose" The one that one an Emmy for Outstanding Writing for a Drama series? Just for one? I mean, I could give you a top ten if you like. The X-Files is a stone classic.

Sure, go for it. I'm asking sincerely :)

Oh, no problem. In no particular order: Jose Chung's From Outer Space Pusher Home (Easily the most terrifying episode, do not watch in the dark) Drive (Written by Breaking Bad creator Vince Gilligan, and starring Brian Cranston) Humbug Bad Blood The Host Small Potatoes Clyde Bruckman's Final Repose Monday

j Hughes Oh man Jose Chung's was THE BEST. Granted, not necessarily indicative of the rest of the show but hilariousy self-aware and smart at the same time! I'd also say the character of Tooms is a solid example of memorable original lore the show created.

Maybe I'm wrong, I was a kid in the 90's, but wasn't the X-Files' saving grace that it was sci-fi ("geek shit") presented with the trappings of mystery drama? So it was that geek shit, but didn't feel like it?

@@vidmuncher X-Files has some of the best stand-alone episodes. The mythology arcs didn't work in the end, but the stand-alone episodes absolutely hold up.

cimmeriusIII Actually, that is one of the only genuinely good subversions in this movie. Okay, most of the characters also, but thematically, the whole globalism / unity thing just isn't really there. The speech itself is basically "America is so fucking awesome that we will save the world, and from now on, everyone else will celebrate our holiday also to honor us".

Except she’s only in her dancer outfit for one scene, and establishing shot showing that she’s dancing, but no one is paying attention to her because of the invasion news. For the rest of the movie she’s fully clothed, usually in layers. The scene in her lingerie lasts less than 30 seconds, and it centers her face, not focusing on body parts like a lot of male gazey scenes.

butchdeadlift10 And yes, it is a douche bag thing to leave a link instead of forming my own argument, but no one is paying me to write a second hand essay and no one is going to make you read that theoretical essay.

butchdeadlift10 To be fair, having Kyle explain the point may be the best way to handle the argument.

And least both Bob and Kyle meet at the same point; How Emeric sees himself as an entertainer in the protagonist of Anonymous. Maybe Emerich is more harmless in that he ALWAYS seems to latch on to a conspiracy theory for material and perhaps saw an opportunity for the story he wanted to tell as separate from the plot he was telling. Like how a Disney film can follow the beats of a popular story, but really they do their own thing while that familiar plot is going on. Does that make sense or are my flu meds affecting my brain in stupid ways?

I think he works with conspiracy theory first, then stages the effect, and then creates the message in his drafting. They way he makes his movies and how he tries to emulate Shakespeare makes me think his first part at being great is to go BIG, then he figures out what it means.

(strokes beard, nods patiently, and ponders your words {possibly to agree with the insight})

"Charlie and the Chocolate factory" I see what you did there.

Petr Onderka Support the death of humanity Do the right thing

I had Pakistani and Indian friends at the time who loved the film.

Why is an American movie being America eccentric a bad thing? And other cultures should not alienate you, I watch and enjoy bollywood films all the time and I am not Indian

I am an Indian and my friends and i enjoyed this film. We were too young to care about jingoism.

I heard the speech. It was incredibly cringeworthy. Even weirder, I was watching it in a cinema with my brother. When the applause came at the end, my brother and I were looking at each other like "wow, the surround sound is awesome!" but then we looked across and there was a big group of American tourists clapping and yelling. It was a real WTF moment, because we were rolling our eyes at how awful the speech was.

I completely agree. Every single non-American I've talked to about this movie, even the ones that (for some reason...) enjoyed this movie, see it as an exercise in American jingoism. The notion that "unity" means "following America's lead" is downright offensive. There is nothing, and I mean NOTHING, about unity in this movie, if you look at it from a non-American perspective. The one line that sums up everything that is wrong with this movie, "Fourth of July will no longer be an American holiday" is a microcosm of how the movie gets this message completely wrong. The unspoken idea is that the world should care about the American template, an American day, and share the American joy and pride because that somehow means uniting. That's not how unity works. Interestingly, the very same line tends to be brought up by most of my American friends as a DEFENSE of the movie. "See, it's not just about America!". No, that's 100% wrong. For all its talk about diversity, the American culture wants diversity on its own terms. In its own way. It's about Americans choosing what they want, deciding what is best, and patting other cultures and nations on the head ("See? We celebrate St. Paddy's! We train yoga! We eat Chinese food! What a melting pot of cultures we are! Do I know anything about the history of Irish struggle for independence? Who cares, have a green beer!" =P). It's shallow and fake, and what America tends to know about the outside world is a brought, theme-park style caricature - like the caricatures of other nations and parts of the world in the movie! The movie presents no non-American central heroes, has the world follow in America's footsteps, shows only what is hurting America as indicative of the problems of the world, and has America save the day. This movie is the most annoying piece of plastic, cheap, toxic and harmful patriotism that I saw until, well, the Michael Bay blockbusters. Which are worse, but barely. Interestingly, all non-Americans I've talked to seem to see it that way, and virtually no Americans I've talked to do (even though most Americans I did talk to about the movie were very smart, very considerate people). That fact is, to me, deeply disturbing. It shows not only that America has a perspective that does not incorporate the realities of the outside world, but also that this perspective seems to be 100% natural for the American attitude. EDIT: and the mind-boggling thing about the movie is that Emmerich is a German, so I'd expect him to see how problematic it is to the deliver the "international" message (provided the message is even MEANT to be in there, which I am not sure the video is right about) in such an insulting way.

Michael Sporzynski Support the death of humanity Do the right thing

Also he was in a little film called 'Six Degrees Of Separation', something that I expect has little intellectual appeal to racist Chipman.

I'm curious as to why you consider him racist? I did some googling and found nothing.

He started the series explaining there's enough critical and sometimes snobbish deconstruction going on everywhere in pop-culture, and he wants this show to focus on when things go right and why.

I feel like you're not looking deep enough. Just about everything Bob has said, I agreed with. It's only broad and simple because you're looking at the film with a broad stroke and a simplistic view. You're only looking at the surface level. Listen again to what Bob said about the characterization, whether it's Jasmine the female love interest who's also a pole-dancer, or President Whitmore who actually showed that he gave a damn about people, including his soldiers ("This isn't happening fast enough - GET THEM OUT OF THERE!"). Or how about that aspect where Judaism instead of Christianity was the predominant religion in the film? That was pretty cool and diverse, or the fact that Russell Casse's family was made up of Mexican mixed race instead of a more traditional American family. Or how about this: the message of unity was further cemented by Jasmine and Steve's wedding (as the metaphor of marriage and unity is pretty clear-cut). In fact, if you think I'm blowing it out of proportion, Constance and David were reunited during said wedding. So really, I think it's a matter of "you see what you want," and that's a quality that should exist in all manner of films.

***** It's literally just uploaded, it takes about 30-60 minutes to render higher resolutions. Just fyi for folks who don't know.

Wade Bishop eh, there was nothing wrong with his role in this, so whatever

Wade Bishop His role in the movie was so small that I honestly had to look it up to remember who he even was. If he's your reason for not liking the movie, then you are hunting for reasons to hate it, and if you have to specifically look for something to dislike, then it's time to just admit that you liked it.

And?.....You're implying that's a bad thing.Because let me tell you it's not.

***** "Recently"? The show is over 10 years old!

***** Oh, you're one of /those/ people.

Gnomelord0 And by universal, you mean "American"

Gnomelord0 I don't think so. Many other blockbusters are also very successful because of they're designed to appeal to an international audience, but I don't think they do it in quite the way that Bob just described here. (Also, hi! Fancy seeing you in this comments section. Small world, huh?)

Gnomelord0 There's a difference between box office success and lasting appeal; something that continues to be talked about for generations, and influences future works. I think he was trying to imply ID has the latter where X-Files does not.

Gnomelord0 It would only be an appeal to success if he listed their box office figures side by side and then ended the video. Instead Bob spent 30 minutes listing all the things great about Independence Day that X-Files lacked. And please tell me that was just a terrible joke and not a pathetic attempt at trolling. CoD Blops 2 and hatred should never be mentioned in the same breath when talking about "success". Cod Blops 2 sales count as one of the biggest releases of a single piece of media in history. Hatred is as commercially successful as Depression Quest. I swear "gamers" giving undeserved hand jobs to Hatred are worse than hipsters.

Gnomelord0 Recognisible landmarks. Empire State, White House (you know the one based on Roman/Greek architecture, the milestones of western culture).

Limbo08 X-Files decided they were gonna be smug and literally piss on someone else’s art, they were begging to get shit on for something that Independence Day didn’t do

WingStopExpress12 someone else's nonsense has to stop? Because u said so? Gtfoh

Boomer. Will. Live!

+InMaTeofDeath Bob's dismissive laugh is the most unpleasant sound I've ever heard.

Not gonna lie, that joke was kinda over-long

Bjorn Worpel Exactly.

Bjorn Worpel Bob addresses this in the review...

Bjorn Worpel _The movie seems more to me like crass US imperialism than an endorsement of unity and equality._ I think it's fair to say that it's both. There's a strain of American idealism (perhaps best embodied by Teddy Roosevelt) that seeks to simultaneously fulfill the promise of the nation's founding, and to induct the rest of the world into it, as well. And to the extent that you view the foundation of America as an extension of broad Enlightenment principles, it doesn't have to be particularly nationalistic.

Bjorn Worpel You forgot the part where he says it's suggesting an idealised America, not the one that exists in the real world.

Bjorn Worpel I feel that way too, but I think that's what Bob was talking about when he covered the film's flaws and pointed out that it was problematic that despite the films alleged intentions, it was still being told from an American perspective.