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"Passive candidates are focussed on the opportunity first, and they know the pay will follow." I respectfully disagree. The pay IS the opportunity. I don't care what type of cool project you want me to work on. There are 17 other companies that also have business problems i can solve. I will get challenged, i will get exposure, i will get hands-on experience in pretty much ANY role at ANY company.
The point is you convey the message of opportunity first... Why would you show all your cards at the interview stage. His tips is to help you get the job, once get it then you can discuss salary. It's obvious money plays a major part otherwise 80% of the population wouldn't be working if their motivation was just opportunity. His advice is not about truths it's about securing the job!
@@durianpeople brother if the salary ain't meeting at least 10% over my current job, I ain't giving them the time of day. I got plenty of offers to switch employers every single day and am doing 6 figures. I'm not looking for someone to employ me, they're looking to employ someone as good as me.
@@durianpeople as for interviews. I don't bother, if they want an interview after reading my resume, we're a bad match and I ain't even going to do a week of trial period at 90% of my future hourly rate
That job seeker who wanted a 200% increase didn't waste your time and his by setting up the interview, you wasted both your time by not being upfront with how much the position paid. Job seekers aren't mind readers!
Yeah, imagine a corporate world where they told you up front what the position pays instead of using PAY BANDS and trying to get the person in toward the bottom of the band if at all possible. For my current role, the pay band covers roughly 50k. That means the same employees doing the same work get paid radically different amounts of money, and NOT necessarily because one is better than the other. Much of it is politicking and negotiating. (FWIW, I'm at the higher end of the band and not complaining about my personal plight.)
@@TheDMLairPlays that shit should be illegal, the hourly rate should be based on your average performance for the year (not talking about commissions and KPIs, everyone can have bad weeks)
Sorry but when I hear things like "If you're only motivated by a paycheck" that's a red flag for me. In the end Corporations are only motivated by the bottom line and don't care what motivates you. They want to know how much they can squeeze out of you before they deem you useless or too expensive. Let's stop pretending that corporations don't care about what they can to to make a few more bucks, at least individuals that just want higher pay are honest about it. What you are asking for is someone to lie to you just as well as the corporation lies to it's employees.
Look most recruiters are shit. This one is only slightly above that. However, at least he is kind enough to lets us know how they think. You have to give him credit for being a decent person. Yes, you are correct. A company is in business to make money. So are people. In a good business relationship, both side should benefit. As such, I 100% agree that looking to make some more money should NOT be seen as a bad thing. However, what might be a better way to word it, "I am looking for new challenges, responsibilities and the benefits that would go along with that."
100% The main reason people have jobs and careers is that we need money to pay the bills. I am not in my current job role to make a difference or pursue some noble cause. I'm there because we need the money. Now, if I have to play the politicking game that recruiters and companies want, okay, I can play that game. But when the C-suite is making decisions every day based solely on finances (such as laying off half of our IT department and outsourcing the work overseas), why should they expect employees under them to be more noble then they are?
@limelight81 , high tech tries to avoid recruiter when possible. They no how useless recruiters can be. High tech sends programmers and engineers to college career days, because recruiters are crap. That is the truth from someone in high tech. As such, I will call a rose a rose. Keep in mind this guy advertises his own product in every video. He must not be doing that well as a recruiter if he has time for this side gig. :) Another thing to pay attention to is that he is telling you EXACTLY what he wants to hear. This basically says, my way or the highway. Believe the BS is you like, it is a free country.
It's true. Unfortunately one can't be that blunt. Dealing with these people is so frustrating. I know exactly how you feel. There's a scene in The Ninth Gate in which Leanna is trying to bribe Courso. "You work for money I take it?" Courso responds, "What else?"
"opportunity first and the pay will follow". I have 20 years of software dev experience that says this is *complete* bullshit. If the pay isn't there, its not an opportunity. They will gladly pay you in 'atta boys' and kudos if you let them. And when you finally call their bullshit, there will be another sucker working for promises. Free Beer Tomorrow!
@limelight81 I make a decent salary precisely because I didn't fall for that trap. I've seen it happen plenty enough to know to warn others. Knowing the market and when you're being taken advantage of is just as, if not more, important than actual skills if you care about your salary.
'opportunity first and the pay will follow'. No it won't. If they won't offer a decent wage from the start, they probably never will. Unless you use them as a stepping stone to a better employer.
The point is that you care about the opportunity more than the pay. ie. I'm here because I want this, and I also expect to be compensated well as an enthusiastic experienced employee. Alternatively, get the experience, and then if they don't improve compensation, start shopping around your resume to people willing to pay for an experienced candidate.
@@Jeremy-fy1sz I've had 2 different employers tell me when I started, prove yourself and then we'll pay you well, So I invested over a year of my time proving myself and after getting a great performance review they tell me, sorry money is tight now, after we get more sales we'll pay you more. Some employers will string you along with empty promises for as long as you let them. Opportunity is great but if the money isn't there from the start it seems foolish to expect that to change.
@@firstlast4229 100% agree. If the salary isn't competitive, initially, it likely never will. The thing to do then is see if there are some intangibles you can do to improve your resume. If so, get those done, update the resume and go "shopping". :)
Totally agree. At my company, pay does NOT follow. They will 100% put a person in a role and then give them TWO teams to support when the industry standard is ONE team because they can save $500k a year (including benefits). It is COMMON KNOWLEDGE that the way to better one's pay is to job hop every couple years to a new company where you can negotiate a higher salary. Stay where you are, and the best you can hope for is 2.5% merit increase each year and a 6% increase with promotions. That's going nowhere fast.
Solid advice and thank you for this video. However, I'm so tired of the whole interview process these days. So much time wasted on tip toeing around questions and answers, trying to give the perfect PC answer. If both sides were brutally honest, it would save everyone time and likely better hires. A 15 minute down-to-Earth conversation will be more beneficial than a 1 hour long smoke and mirrors interview.
He even admits at the end "we can read between the lines". Okay then why the fuck are you wasting my time making me come up with ridiculous corporate speak answers then? "Why do you want to leave?" "Your opportunity seems to align perfectly with my skills and I am currently underpaid for the position and the management is difficult to work for." I'd much rather hear this.
I don't engage with unsolicited headhunters. If you contact someone out of the blue and haul them in for an interview I'm not surprised they highball their salary requirement, After all, you went after them so there is a perceived demand for their services.
IMO, the best (simple) answer to "Why are you leaving your current employer" which I've used for years..... My current role has become very routine over the past X months and I'm looking for new challenges. What challenges would you have for me for this role? A) This gives a valid reason. (or at least believable). B) It shows you're engaged in the question by asking a question. (Remember, you're interviewing the employer as well).
Well, this kind of answer is unlikely to get you hired into any kind of mature project. Maybe that's exactly what you want, but it can be a very rough filter, in case you are primarily after a good paycheck.
@@ACzechManGoingHisOwnWay There's reasons why people leave companies... Most companies do not want to here you bad mouth a previous company. So fluff has to be said. They get it and just needs to avoid being red flagged. I've used this time and time again and no one bats an eye who were serious about interviewing me.
@@seantellsit1431 Well, I used to hire people for a fairly routine project, yet very complex and with a long/steep learning curve for a newcomer. To me, any complaints about routine would be a red flag (I needed people to commit and to stick around, so they would pay off the significant initial teaching investment). Why not just ask for a new challenge alone? :)
@@ACzechManGoingHisOwnWay While your projects may take years for a new comer to onboard, your experience does not translate to the rest of the world. In most orgs I've been apart of, its basically "know your role, stay in your lane", and while that's fine for a while... when you see deficiancies in the org processes (which affect your role), that leadership is unable or unwilling to change, you can and SHOULD look elsewhere for employeement unless you really want to to retire from that org.
"Go out for opportunities to enrich your role" - I love how companies can twist anything into being the employee's fault. I was literally doing what you were paying me to do -- with excellent performance evaluations year after year -- and yet it was boring to me. I didn't go out and go above and beyond... why? Because the company 1) wasn't going to pay me for it and 2) if I do do that, I will set the EXPECTATION that I'll keep doing it. Then if I stop, that comes back on me. It is possible to just be BORED with a job that is too easy or you've been doing for too long so you're looking for something different.
Relationships that are formed out of deceit from either end are doomed to fail. But then again, it's the game we must all play to remain gainfully employed.
Lol. It's like some of the questions that get asked in interviews where you both actively know you are both lying to each other, but say the correct lines anyway.
That is true for personal relationships, but in business there is always some level of deceit. Employers and employees alike will always paint a rosy picture of themselves. They have an icentive to do so and also rarely a choice as competitors are doing the same. If you don't do it, you are wasting money.
I'm not going to lie. What he is saying is so dead-on, however, it makes me realize how dumb this cat and mouse game we play in the hiring process. From the company perspective, I get it, but in my opinion, there are some questions that just need to be left unsaid. Honesty is not your best policy in an interview. You have to alter your words and omit the truth when necessary lol.
A comment that I like to give is “I am looking for a job/role where I can further maximize my skillset and utilize my talents even more. Im looking for a bigger challenge, thats one of the things that motivates me. A dynamic and challenging environment where I can stimulate my brain more” Its a decent response I’d like to think
So what I'm really hearing as I read between the lines here is that companies are sleaze balls and don't recognize The Human Experience. I have to give them a song and a dance to tell them what they want to hear to appease their fragile egos. They aren't human beings who understand that horrible bosses make people leave companies? They don't understand that the only real reason that most people work at companies is for the paycheck? They don't get that we don't care about their cultures? We just want to live our lives and pursue our passion. And those things have a little to nothing to do with where we work.
If I'm not looking but you call me unsolicited anyway, wanting me to quit my job to go with what you're offering, it is _literally _*_your_*_ job_ to figure out why I would even be interested in a meeting. If I'm not looking, then higher wages is #1 ranking among reasons why anyone would hear you out. So if you don't feel out whether or not we could likely line up want vs offer on that point, before the meeting, then _you_ wasted _both_ our time. Don't blame me for having to agree to and attend a meeting with you, before you were willing to tell me what's on offer and ask me "what it would take". That is something you should have done within the first 120 seconds of that phone call.
I mean.... the galls of recruiters to try to poach someone and then demand the person say why they want to leave!!!!! At that point I would be very tempted to just say "well.... you did such a great job selling me this job that I had no other choice!!!! Congrats!"
I agree on the not badmouthing previous employers but the whole "being thankful for the experience" shtick when it was toxic as fuck is just gross. Have some dignity, don't do that.
"Most people leave companies because of a bad boss..." Yet employers expect candidates to lie about their previous experience? I doubt this will ever change in HR but it needs to, fast. It's a toxic element in all employment. I always prefered honesty, so if you left your last job because of abuse or anything like that it's more than valid to state you left because of poor conditions. These poor conditions go unpunished and employers never want to fix it or hear about it, or anything like that, so it's accepted that it's "just part of working". That said, I also understand that it's the industry standard to be hush about poor prior employment, so I would never think about it as a negative if they weren't honest about their prior job.
The logic works like this. Nobody likes to hear you bad mouth a previous employer, because people are creatures of habit. Bad mouthing a prior job indicates you will likely bad mouth this one when you leave as well. To be fair, everyone knows the reasons why, but companies prefer not to hear it.
@@winoodlesnoodles1984 I get it, but it's erroneous. You aren't more likely to bad mouth a good employer if you bad mouthed a bad employer. But people seem to interpret it that way. I will straight up say I've had 1 bad employer. The rest were fantastic and deserving of praise. To me it's not logical to have to lie about bad people.
No you don't say anything bad about previous employees PERIOD. Nobody cares. There are 100's of applicants they go through and you will be the odd one out. I even had issues with one boss not paying certain legally required contributions but still mentioning anything bad about that place never got me anywhere.
I love this advice. You have given me confidence to leave a bad work culture by shifting on the future and new opportunities without being bitter about previous company.
I disagree with the notion that wanting to leave a bad boss or company culture is viewed as running away from a challenge. Challenge implies that something can be overcome. A bad boss or company culture is unlikely to change unless it is done top down. As much as companies like to tout how important culture is, they will frown upon a candidate for wanting to leave a place with a poor one. Another example of the company/employee double standard. Companies will paint a rosy picture of how great their culture is when the reality is quite the opposite or at least not to degree they claim.
Why I left my previous job? and btw, I told this brutally honest to my current employer and they were fully understanding.... "because I had to send them my lawyer with threats of going to court in order to take my days off" Sometimes it's ok to "badmouth"the current employer. My idea for job interviews are: I want to see just as much if the company is a match for me as I am a match for them. So if you expect an interview where I come with all the talk of how good I am at what I do, why should I choose your company over your competitor? Because I will make sure I have multiple offers from companies
Maybe a slightly more politically correct way to say this, which can be more applicable to other job interviews is to say "When I was hired on with my current employer, we negotiated an employment contract regarding compensation and benefits and hours worked and responsibilities. It's a pretty typical employment contract. They aren't holding their end of the deal within the terms of that contract. I'm looking to sever this employment relationship with them before this has to be taken to the court house." Weather there really was an employment contract or not doesn't matter. If they present you with an employee handbook regarding vacation days, and then they don't let you take them, this is the same thing as breach of contract because you accepted employment with them expecting them to honor the vacation policy, and they aren't.
@@smithrr6 I don't do politically correctness ;) I tell my employer up front I'm very blunt and very honest, if they don't like it or can't handle it....I'm not the guy for the job. Most employers appreciate that, but my countries culture is so direct and blunt that most coutries think we're just rude. But just imagine how efficient your communication can be without all the forced politeness and unmeant complements.
@@ArieGoossens Hey man I get it. bluntness and honesty are valued. I used to work with a German guy that was blunt and didn't care about other people's feelings and was very critical towards all the Americans around him. he said he was just being direct and to the point about things. The end result was he was using aggression and intimidation to cover up his lack of knowledge. He wanted people afraid of him that way he could manipulate them that much easier. They guy was, In my opinion, a fraud, and was covering up his own lack of skill with "bluntness". All I'm saying is, don't be that guy.
@@lamzy3773 Their are details to that story that I didn't explain. if I explained them then this forum wouldn't be anonymous. There was more going on that makes me believe that the guy was a fraud. And he used aggression and rudeness as a distraction from his true self.
From what I have seen from this and previous videos, it appears that the actual reason is irrelevant. All they are looking for is a specific answer and they do not want to tell you the salaries, but you must tell them. No wonder people hate this process.
Some HR pros/hiring managers for employers with high staff turnover purposely arrive late to test the applicants reaction. It's hard to tell though so applicants should be patient and be appreciative for the interview.
@@floybox123 We are laughing at the channel, not with it. :) The channel basically spells out all the reasons why recruiters are crap. I respectfully give this one credit for admitting it.
Hope not late to comment - I came across your channel by chance through Google. You have given me a better answer which I would have not known or done. Thank you so much.
Opportunity first and pay will follow? How about the companies follow their own advise. How about “a high wage first and a excellent employee will follow”?
I agree with your video for what you "should" say. It's just funny to me that people even bother asking this question. The "real" answer is always they are either they are not happy with the current company/position or the want more money. Either way you're not going to get a truthful answer which is the funny part to me because people should want a truthful answer and not the typical "hur-dur I want more opportunity." I'd rather you be truthful with me and tell me that you don't think you are fairly compensated at your current employer which is a completely valid reason. The pay is 50% of the reason why I left my last job with the other 50% being that the company was in a downward spiral and I didn't want to sink with them. My answer to anyone that asked was only that I wanted more opportunity which was mostly bullshit but you could spin it in your brain to make it marginally true. It's just a dumb game in that telling lies is preferred because it makes whoever asking feel warm and fuzzy inside.
I respectfully disagree with these answers. The moment you say I want something “more challenging”, I find it then causes the interviewer to quiz you further on that question and then you get caught. I’m just honest, my recent interviews I just said I’m being made to do a codebase I don’t enjoy but I prefer the codebase that your company use. They admire the honesty and don’t dig deeper
Straight up if a recruiter contacts you, don’t take it too seriously if you were seeked out. Hiring managers and VPs of companies that actually have a hand in making a decision are they only ones that you need to take the time to prepare for. Recruiters only care about their quotas and usually give bad candidacy experience for the sake of their own jobs. It’s true… not all but most.
Exactly. Its great to have this in mind so you can remain at ease while completing the interview process. To be sought out can potentially just offer an opportunity for practice with negotiations.
I had to attend a mandatory evaluation meeting today. I knew beforehand that my contract WILL end by new years (in 12 weeks or so), but my current boss was very enthusiastic and positive about my initial interest in logistics and my driver's license for heavy vehicles in combination of my current job as an engineer and a social media consultant and suggested I pursue it. (Good employer feedback!) I had the initial panic and dread at first after learning that I will be jobless next year, but a good constructive talk with a boss you're on good terms with will help loads, not only for your mental state. I haven't begun the active search process as of yet, but there's hope maybe. My dad is in logistics and can maybe give me some pointers going forward (but I absolutely aim to make it on my own, no nepotism/contacts). Thanks for the informative video once again!
I work in a retail environment, (grocery store). It seems we have changes in management every few years. What do you say in a situation like that? Also last year alone, the overall turnover rate at our store was 32. I think that speaks volumes. I've been at my job for 14 years. And overall I've been doing this line of work for 21 years. The pay is inadequate. I only make less than a dollar more than a new hire. Right now I feel like I'm just going through the motions just to get by, feeling unfulfilled.
Unfortunately, most retail environments can be trained on the job in less than 30 days with no prior skills. Low specific skills (unlike say an electrician or plumber or HVAC repair) have a replicability component. If you were to not show up tomorrow, how likely would the business stop? For most retail environments, even at the manager level... the answer is none. Every industry has their entry level positions, and most pay crap. However, if you can find ways to work your way up or skill up, the pay jumps can be significant. In your 14 years at working at this store... what have you done to skill up/move up within the ranks? If it's "I've been a good hard worker, I show up on time, and do my job good", unfortunately that doesn't encourage your employer to think of you as irreplaceable. There are 2 ways to improve your specific situation... A) find out how you can be irreplaceable to your boss and your bosses boss. or B) Skill up and get out. Skill up and get out is probably the easier way to do things now in 2021.
A lot of people are confused by the mentality of focusing on the opportunity first. The point is you educate yourself, learn skills, take on projects, etc. and while you do those things you stay open to new opportunities. If you do all those things, better pay is sure to follow. You don’t just apply to jobs that pay more hoping somebody will give you $.
6:04 I think this is a terrible answer. I'm not looking to see how different leadership styles work. Chances are, I find myself in a situation that is incompatible with my preferences and that is OK, but it can only be rectified if I, as a candidate, am honest about my preferences and why the current environment is not working out for me. Organizations are different, cultures are different, team dynamics vary greatly as do bosses. Unless you bring up what you don't like and what you prefer, you can easily end up in a company or on a team with the same qualities as the last... especially if you are going from one giant multinational to another or one startup to another. There are ways these things can be expressed in a manner that is tactful and I think answering this question in a way that is really vague and obfuscates the issue makes the candidate appear less genuine.
Perfectly put. I cannot stand being in a completely non-pragmatic environment. If there is no moral.....you can keep that job! Ill mow at the golf coarse
Agreed. I think the vague "nice" answer is really unhelpful because it sounds like dishonesty and doesn't really say anything. The "textbook answers" sound so disingenuine.
Like I said in another comment, I like this guy. But there is a MAJOR disconnect between modern corporate and people. The assumption a bored worker didn't seek out more is insane. I'm actually bored at my job. I have had several meetings asking for more. I have presented several new trainings and things my small team could take. I have even asked to take away some pretty basic work from my boss and be in control. Always met with "yeah let's see what we can do" and then nothing. Busineses and recruiters need to stop looking for robotic answers where everyone sounds the same. MAYBE you guys would find better matches if you actually listened to why people leave or join and then make adjustments. The partial reason turn over is high in every field is you guys are just forcing people to answer what you want to hear, then scratching your head why they leave at the next best offer.
The truth is that my bosses are incompetent, petty, and hypocritical. There's no attention paid to pay equity. Some (not all) of my co-workers are lazy and get tolerated by the bosses playing favorites. There's a lack of proper communication and it's clear the higher-ups don't care. It's just a toxic work environment and I'm fed up. How can I possibly spin this without just outright lying?
Phrase it as career development. My current work environment is the same way. We interview and hire people who indirectly say the same thing about their previous jobs. Make it more about the new opportunity than the previous work.
I got into the same problem. Toxic workplace full of ass kissers and extremely corrupted managers, with no career development whatsover over except the money coming from corruption itself. And while i have a lot of reasons to really hate my toxic coworkers and managers back there, in the end it worked for them, just not for me, as it hampered my own career. So yea, i told them that my career would've rotten in the previous company as they focus entirely on the "operation" of the company (revolves around nepotism, corruption and playing favourites to reach a higher position), not the employee development. I already got a new job btw.
Disclaimer: I love these videos. They're incredibly insightful for how one side of the desk thinks and operates. That said, life would be so much easier if we just didn't have to obfuscate or lie. I'm looking to add income streams and I've been hit up via Indeed for work. I'm 100% honest with them and it's hilarious how shocked they are someone doesn't lie to them, which just makes me think that's what we want... we're fine being lied to if it makes us feel better. Case in point, I got asked, "why are you leaving this job?" Me: "I'm not. I'm looking to continue my skills and add to my income because hey, it's 21st century America and nothing is a guarantee." Then the owner says, "well I want someone who's devoted to this company." Me: "As a business owner myself, you need to understand that your employees are devoted to themselves and their families. The sooner you get over your delusion the faster you can fill this role that's you've had open for over six months. I know I'm going to get this gig, but hey maybe you got some value out of this." He and his assistant both said they did and actually still wanted to follow up. It's just sad we can't be totally transparent about this sort of thing. Brian, keep up the great work with these videos and I'm going to pick up one of your programs.
There is a certain culture in most businesses (including absolutely ALL businesses over a certain size) which includes a certain level of pretending and deceit. It doesn't really matter if you like it or not, it's how the game is played. Refusing to play by the rules and being especially honest simply shows that you are either unwilling to follow the unwritten rules or that you don't know them. You are likely to be an unruly employee who questions management all the time. That's why this attitude won't get you hired. Business aren't interested in especially honest employees. They're interested in employees who make them as much money as possible and cause as little trouble as possible. Your approach doesn't suggest that you will fullfill the second requirement. It also shows that you won't believe their propaganda which is aimed to being loyal to your company and accept stuff like being underpayed or working a lot of overtime simply because you feel obliged to do so. That means they won't be able to squeere as much profit out of you compared to an emplyee who believes their bullshit. Also don't forget that most people who play the business game lack the reflective skills to realise that they're just playing this game to make money and to further their career but that it's just a game of bullshit. They don't have the strenght to accept that it's all a facade. They start to believe it's real and that it's the right thing to do. They believe nonsense like that employees should actually be loyal to their employer and that their main motiviation isn't money. So if someone comes along and tells them otherwise, they don't like it as they're basically told they're living a lie. Most people who are living a lie, especially one of such a magnitude, don't want to be informed about it as it would be very depressing to them. They want to continue to live the lie and being told they're doing great. You either need to play by the rules or start your own business where you can do what you want. But if you do the latter, you might run into problems as soon as you hire additotional people. Especially if it's more than a handful. Also, even as a business owner without additional employees, you'll usually have to play a game when it comes to interactions with customers to be sucessfull. If you're brutally honest with them all the time, it will hurt your business. All that is ingrained in capitalism itself and will not change. Everyone who understands what's going on is only interested in their bottom line. Business exist to makes as much profit as possible. People work to make as much money as possible. Everything else is just a means to an end. To many people, it's impossible to accept those facts as they seem inhumane to them. And they have a point. So they need to make up lies why profit isn't the main or only goal in business. It's simply self-protection. They couldn't bare reality. And then there are people (usually management or business owners) who don't really believe those lies but pretend they do, because it benefits them. It's easier to underpay emplyees if they believe they owe the company, for example.
If you have to sugarcoat the fact that you're in a toxic workplace environment and your boss just loves mobbing in a job interview, then maybe the company you're interviewing for isn't the right workplace either.
Unfortunately companies don't care about how bad your current job is. They are hiring to fill a position. It's up to you to get an idea about the culture by asking them questions and figuring out if you're a good fit.
As a hiring manager, I've always asked applicants about the reasons for quitting their previous job. You want to avoid hiring someone in case they quit for reasons which are likely to occur also in the workplace you are hiring for.
These videos are a great help. Im currently seeking new opportunities for several reasons. All of your videos have been very helpful as I take a more targeted approach to my job hunt. Leaving a job isn’t always an easy decision. Trying to find a new one is a challenging task. Appreciate the support.
I need to help translate: “I want to quit because I hate the company and people I work for because they say they care about the clients but they really don’t”// I want to get out of the toxic contact center environment
I'm looking for an opportunity to learn about XYZ... In the current role I spent time doing this type of task, but I'm more interested in doing this particular thing which the new job is offering. Professional growth is my main motivator (never mention money).
all the BS for a low salaried job, 2-3 interviews for 25k, surprised they don't ask for a blood donation on exit for the cause. some of the questions you get asked would make you think your going to be earning 250k
Can you do a video on how to conduct oneself on a Zoom interview? I guess this is for those who just got out of college, or those laid off and are finally coming back to the job market, only finding out that they have to do things the new way - interviewing virtually. Background? Attire? Posture? Standing? Seated?
5:20 I don't know, man. I know you are the experienced recruiter, but if an answer was specifically stated in that manner, I would call bullshit and it would sound like brown nosing to me.
I don’t understand why in all videos about this question the job seeker has to lie….of course the salary is important. What do you choose if two companies offer you kinda the same job description but different salary? For sure you will choose the higher salary, it is pure logic!
I am only motivated by the paycheck. The more you pay the better I work. Its you and the company being dishonest here, not me. I go to work to live, not live to work. You take care of me, I take care of your customers and we all win. Reminds me of the story about the welder on an interview, told the job pays 15 to 30 an hour. They ask to see a sample weld, he gives them two, one is passable and one is a perfect stack of dimes. They ask him why he gave two and one was mediocre. He said that one is 15 an hour and the other is 30 an hour.
I have an unusual situation where I did not find a job related to my degree after graduating and worked in different industries for over 14-years. The HR/hiring manager ask “why did you not work in x industry for x years after graduating?” What kind of answer should I give? The question just feels very confrontational to me and makes me uncomfortable to answer.
I don't have a good answer to that question, but in my experience not working in the field of your degree is more common than not. I've worked at a university for over 12 years, I work with faculty, under graduate & sometimes graduate students daily and have contact with a lot of former students whether they graduated or not. In my experience the majority don't go into their field of study, especially right out of school and many never transition into the field they studied. The main exceptions are what you would expect legal, medical & engineering and not surprisingly trade school. I worked in the field I took my first degree in briefly, I didn't know the signs then, but even when I was in school it was a dying field, so that leads to some explanations in interviews.
I know the comment is from a few months ago, but is it an industry expected to secure a job? So it is strange not to have one ever? From what I understand that's not the case, but also it's not clear as to why this is important? Are you looking to go ack to what you have studied and could it be that you are you out of touch with current trends/develoments? If the studies are not relevant to the job you are being interviewed than you can distance yourself, like I studied this because I wanted to learn that... I pursuit this for a while after graduation but was open to other types of work or industries and this brought me in the roles.... et c. I know my writing isn't the greaest but I hope I gave you an example as someone in a similar place.
My boss left the company and I’m pretty sure the current boss just doesn’t like me. He put me on a PIP on our first meeting based on previous notes from my former boss. To the companies I’m interviewing at rn, I say, “My team is restructuring in a way where I don’t see myself growing in my career. I’m wondering what kind of growth opportunities this job can provide me.” It quickly explains my situation with bad mouthing my current job and it helps me figure out if the job I’m interviewing for will suit my needs long term.
@@newagain9964 I have a new job now that I’m much happier at. I was transparent about why I was let go without bashing the old place and they understood.
i, a fresh graduate who haven't worked for a company at all was given this question through a Q&A template paper. the very fist answer that pop to mind was "What job? i just got out of college LOL" i did not respond this way obviously but gave me a bit of chuckle
i can relate to some of your statements, but others are contradictory. "passive job seeker respond to me and set up an interview only to find out his compensation expectations he was actually looking for a 200% increase to go to my location....completely wasting my time and his" then you say "top job candidates are focused on the opportunity first and the pay follow will follow" This is not always true. Some people are looking to jump because they took a job out of desperation and they're currently under paid. Top candidates focus on the overall opportunity, but recruiters need to be upfront with the pay range. Too many recruiters try to hide and frankly it should be mentioned right out of the gate or on the job description. A person that's not willing to work for 45-55k a year shouldn't waste their time with interviews unless their expectations are aligned with the job requirements.
We still have to be realistic on our salary expectations. In his case, he was earning 75k as a mid level engineer and want $220k for the same level role in my company. In the long run if you focus on the best quality employers and the best quality jobs, you’ll be compensated very fairly for it.
@@ALifeAfterLayoff I agree that if you focus on quality jobs, you'll be compensated fairly, however the majority of companies in the US don't work that that way for most. The median income of Florida for 1 person is roughly $30k per year. fernandinaobserver.com/general/some-florida-statistics-on-wealth-middle-class-and-census-responses/ I can agree that most same roles aren't worth double / triple, but if the company has a specific need and they have not had luck with people applying to their role, they may have to pay more than they anticipated. Google/facebook/oracle/microsoft have proven that a total compensation packages which can't be beat is one sure way to bring better than average candidates to the table. The company I work for has had a IS Security Manager/Director role open for 6 months. The pay range is too low and responsibilities too vague are just some of the reasons it hasn't been filled yet. Thank you for your videos and I'll continue to watch and participate.
All this jargon... what about the truth? I want to work in a role that's more predictable and organized than my last one, and find a company that I can fit well with. That's it.
Thank you so much for this video!!! I was like, damn, that answer is soooo good, why didn’t I think of that when I’m answering that question! But surely I’ve learnt my lesson! Gonna apply that in the future~
As a well seasoned CIO with decades of experience that has done more than most people have read about, a company deems you worthless once you hit 55. This is VERY real and its a shame. I have been told by recruiters that once you reach a certain age thay employers feel "oh once a better opportunity comes along you will be gone" seriously??? Hint: EVERY employee will jump at a better offer. Sometimes stability & benefits are worth more than a huge salary. I am trusted with a companies most valuable asset - information. Wouldn't a company want to value a person with experience? Why not address that???
Basically, they can't ask your age, and in this day and age of phone interviews and remote work, it's much harder for them to guess it, especially if you're selective as to what goes on your résumé. I put the last 15 years of work on mine because it's relevant to the kind of work I'm looking for, but not my first job in a grocery store, or any of the rinkydink temp jobs I've held. They're not hiring that badass cashier from forty years ago, they're hiring an experienced professional with a relevant skillset. If they pull my credit report, or check my SSN, they can get a pretty good idea of my age, but there's no point in making it easy for them to discriminate against me.
@@septegram they ask on an employment form for dates of education including HS. From there ots simple math to determine age. And if you lie on an application, that's grounds for dismissal. Companies just simply dont want more experienced people
@@rty1955 I haven't seen one ask for HS. You're right about college, though; I guess in a way I'm fortunate to have finished my bachelor's in my fifties LOL
I'm generally more straightforward with headhunters/staffing agencies - they just want to make sure I have enough motivation to move forward in the process - a lot of their clients will only do a single phone/video interview and the recruiter wants to make sure I will immediately accept the offer if I make it past that gate. Salary talk is one of the first things covered - they just want to make sure we aren't wasting time here - am I in range or not? It also helps them find the better fitting opportunities. But, to be fair, most headhunters aren't staffing for high quality companies. I generally advise my college grads to go this route at first because you get exposure to a lot of different companies and build experience very quickly. Consulting pays well too, so it is easier to convert to fulltime from a consulting gig - at least in IT.
Nah I disagree with some of your points “opportunity first and pay will follow” - they absolutely do not! Good companies must provide adequate compensation for the kind of work that they are expecting to be done. Youre basically encouraging people to let them be exploited by opportunist companies. People should know their worth and shouldnt be taken advantage of because “its an opportunity to grow”. Well people need to be paid well too.
The one thing that I fail to understand is why on Earth is supposed to be a bad thing to move to a new job because of more money and/or better benefits. That's the number one reason why people work in the first place. Being judged as an "opportunist" who will leave as soon as something better comes up is not a bad thing, especially since that's what the vast majority of people will do. I am more suspicious of people who claim that the conveniences of the job are not a motivating factor. "I want a more challenging role" has become code for "I hate my current position". The word challenge has become the politically correct word for hell.
What about if progression in my current role would take me down a path that I know that I would not enjoy in the long term? Right now I am in a role that is more research heavy and less of the actual work that I enjoy doing. I am looking to make a career shift to a role that focuses on the aspects of my career that I enjoy doing and could see myself excited to grow and learn more about every day and for years to come
Yes, be honest. You aren't working for money and you dont care about pay at all. You really just want to find challenges and solve problems for employers to improve their profits. No, your bad boss isn't why you're leaving. You love the bad boss as he pushes and challenges you to be your best and find ways to cope with adversity. That kind of honesty?
@@ALifeAfterLayoff well in my experience the way interviews go is that employer is gonna lie about how great the job is and employee lies about how great he is at the job. good teams learn to accept the middle ground of both efforts.
Can you speak about the fear of leaping to a new job? The one you have is steady income even if soul sucking...how can we be sure the next one will last?
Excellent advice. Any chance you can do a video on people over 55 but under 60 who are completely invisible in both the interview process and if by chance they get the job, are completely mistreated in the workplace. I could tell you stories..... We can't take our retirement money so we have to work and be treated so badly.
I told them one of the reasons is management, but I would like to join pepsi where I can take on new opportunities and grow professionally in the company.
TL;DR; all these questions can be answered with "lie as much as you need to get the job". I feel disgusted that I have to do it just to do my honest work. I come, I sit on my desk controlling machines and when the time comes, I leave leaving with my share of money I just made for the conpany. How hard can it be?
Very helpful video to me. I am upset with my current Boss, but you helped me realize how I can say where I think my new employer may be able to help me grow. It’s true that my current company has helped me to grow. That growth has made me interested in a more challenging opportunity. Thank you!
can both parties just speak their mind? Stop defending the double speak in this industry. Its discriminatory against those with Autism who don't bull shit. They are honest and tell it like it is and don't play silly games.
I’m just like that, and despise the interview process for this exact reason, it’s almost worth staying in my low-wage job just to avoid all the bulshit
I'm leaving my job due to poor employee retention in my team. It's difficult to make much progress as so many new staff members have to be trained in regularly. How can I say this in an interview/application?
Absolutely awful takes. The pay will follow? lol Okay. Just pull yourself up by the bootstraps, right? And if you have a toxic work environment and your new company sees that as you running away from a challenge just what is their perception of what could be considered hostile or toxic? You badmouthing someone seeking an exponential salary increase when you reached out to them is just nonsensical. They weren't looking and if they were actually having to physically move to a new location (your statement could be construed in that way) then yeah, absolutely. "Hey come uproot your life and enjoy these challenges and the money will SURELY follow...eventually!"
If i was a recruiter I would rather hear my potential candidates tell me their guts. I would refer someone who can be honest and straight forward to tell me they are looking for new opportunity because they don't like their current job or they are looking for a bigger paycheck.
I wonder if you have a contract role that is ending soon how you would handle that? Then it’s not you leaving so much as the company leaving you so would you just tell them “my current role is contract and ending soon”?
Just saying, I have a contract with a decided end date, enjoyed it but need to find the next opportunity or something, is that enough? (so the end date of your contract was decided from the start)
I have 2 reasons, one is the distance which takes me an hour to commute to my job, secondly, most of the divisions in my current conpany are getting moved to another country. If I give these reasons, the recruiters offer me a low package. I don't know what the good reason be other than that
"Motivation behind why you are looking" You have some experience yet you expect someone to tell you tales around, we all work for money. what else do you think motivates people to work for a company and not being self employed?
I really appreciate your videos, and you have some great advice. But I have to ask: what do you tell your Recruiter peers on how to sniff out the BS artists, and how to find the good workers who maybe aren't the best at interviewing? For context: I've seen some people get hired who all have the perfect, slick answers for an interview... and they were lying through their teeth (about skill level, personality... everything). Then, we (the team) get stuck putting up with them. Thanks! :)
@@ALifeAfterLayoff I hope things are getting better. I've seen this happen so many times over the years - even at major, "top" companies. It's incredibly frustrating be stuck with the new person who lied their way in (and inevitably just cause problems and thus more work for all of us). Thank you again for your videos - you've got some great pointers 😀
I am so happy that I have found your channel. You provide great quality content for free, and that makes me really want to request your services. This is so hard to do well!
It's more like it shouldn't be the *only* reason. If it's just money, why not make the effort for a raise instead? Money is obviously a contributing factor, but moving companies is always tied to something else (ex: not being valued for your contributions, stagnating growth, etc.)
Negotiating better pay doesn’t fix underlying issues regarding pay structure- if the entire company is poorly compensated relative to the market, getting a raise is only a short term fix that will result in pay compression/limited growth later on.
Take the info and make it work in your own vernacular. It's not meant to be a script, but rather a guide for how to best position yourself to hiring managers.
@@ALifeAfterLayoff It's too bad in this world, a candidate can't just be honest and straightforward. Diplomatic vague stock answers seem to be what's required. Oh well... Back to real life.
I'm sorry, why is seeking a paycheck bad if you get the job. I don't understand this stupidity about a company wanting loyalty before you start your job. All this stuff about your ability to spin things for jobs where you are not interacting with people as part of your job is asinine. This is however less asinine than people shrugging and saying, "well, that's how things are." This is the reason things will never change, and dishonesty is always rewarded.
Because everything has gone FUBAR, baby! Interviews today are filled with too much BS. I remember the days they hire you for your skill set and desire to come work for a particular company, and that's it. No more, no less. It was really simple. If this is how they hire people, then it's no wonder companies can't find candidates. They can't be bothered with all the BS hoops to jump through to get hired, nor would I.
I hate saying these sentences that are not natural. I think saying "I had bad boss" is ok. I just think it is better to say what I think and not let anybody read between the lines because there is nothing to find.
