Reballing MSI R9 270X With HomeMade BGA Rework Station

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This is a DIY video showing you how to do reballing on AMD R9 270X graphics cards
Why Reballing ? The graphics chip is soldered to the board with hundreds small solder balls (BGA) and one or more solder joints crack with time due to the thermal cycle which creates thermal stress (contraction and expansion en.wikipedia.o...) and the graphics card stops working, old thermal paste or paste with bad heat conductivity and clogged cooler increase the thermal stress, with this procedure we replace the solder balls and resolder the chip to the board and the graphics card works again.
I prefer reballing over reflow because reflow is not a long term solution and the black screen or artifacts will return again soon, reballing is more reliable and is the preferred GPU repair method
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@alanmoore78 3 года назад

Hats off to you, pal, I couldn't do it. I'd spend two hours getting all those little solder balls perfectly in place only to sneeze at the last second and send them flying across the room.

@NikTelio 3 года назад

Hello, did you use a stencil ?

@KesslerRave 6 лет назад

Excelent Job, i like to see a test at the start & end of the video ;)

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

Hello, the video was to show the reballing procedure, that is why i didn't thought to include the test, but you can watch this new reballibg video, this time i test the graphics card before end after. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HoprTmwKfDk.html i didn't get a notification for your comment sry :( youtube notification system many times doesn't work properly.

@MindviewAbacus 3 года назад

Cause the processor got fried and will not work.

@dazmatic 4 года назад

That's a genuinely really tidy impressive job!

@Tuke5150 3 года назад

Great video. Liked it better than most reballing videos out there.

@Tuke5150 3 года назад

Also, Where did you get stencil?

@NikTelio 3 года назад

Hi, i get them on ebay

@frankbrowne1849 4 года назад

I wish you would give us complete information as far as re-balling repair for other folks. Thank you.

@pawepawlik8071 6 лет назад

Hi, I also use new BGA chips. I'm not reballing anymore. My laptops came back to me a few times. The same problem. The customer was unhappy, I had to add my time and money to it. I buy a new BGA chip and I have peace for a long time. I understand this for myself. Super movie! You can see that you have a lot of experience with this. I really liked your station and the device for making BGA. Great estimates for your idea. Maybe you could share your knowledge about buying a microscope. This is an expensive business in Poland. I mean advanced, professional. Your Cheers. Regards Pawel

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

Hello Pawel, i never use new bga chips i always reball them :/ my reballed gtx 670 still works after 1,5 years, laptops last in worst case 1 year in most cases many years some of them even 5+ years :) , on laptops i always use copper shims instead of thermal pads(i don't like thermal pads), but you have to find the right copper shim thickness for each laptop. I also want to buy a microscope, a good professional microscope with hd camera costs about $700 but i think a cheap microscope camera $60-100 connected to a monitor will do just fine for me :) no need to invest so much money on it.

@kosthsftw6426 4 года назад

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@spidermcgavenport8767 6 лет назад

This answered my previous question I can't believe that an MSI product needs reballing must have been a binned gpu... Lol thanks for these excellent videos Nik!

@spidermcgavenport8767 6 лет назад

That stencil is excellent

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

brand does not matter, all graphics card manufacturers using the same nvidia or amd chips and they solder them to the boards with BGA. gpu's create a lot of heat and this repeated thermal cycle creates thermal stress which causes the bga or the chip itself to fail, the use of leadfree solder for manufacturing the chips and soldering them to the board is also a factor

@spidermcgavenport8767 6 лет назад

Nik Telio I noticed that when you added the lead solder balls, and was removing the lead free solder, which seems too be an inferior product.

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

the solder is normally 37% Lead and 63% Tin but lead was banned and now they use other materials to replace lead and the mechanical properties are not the same, leadfree solder does not like thermal stress much :)

@spidermcgavenport8767 6 лет назад

Nik Telio understandably so, now with this being said, I can't imagine what would happen if you were to submerge a lead free vs lead gpu in mineral oil too see if any difference in longevity, would 3M Novec react differently same scenario. Peltier cooling traditional gpu solder vs yours. Just curious is all.

@tidec9 4 года назад

nice video, congratulation from Ecuador, I take my hat off. applause. 100% ready is true this??

@ratchbrg3882 4 года назад

I have a 980 ti that was gifted t o me. I sent my Tower to a friend who provided some parts including the 980ti. he shipped the system back with the card in the PCIe slot and no support. when i pulled it from the box i instantly noticed the sag. due to shipping and no support the PCIe slot had broken completely away from the board on half it's connections. the guy sent a replacement Mo Bo and after install the Video card had red and green lines accross the screen. the card worked fine when he installed it and the OS. I believe the solder joints got damaged when the weight of the video card sagged on the Mo Bo during shipping. In my quest to figure out if I could fix the card, I've stumbled accross Reballing. and obviously your channel.

@justinneumann1492 4 года назад

would love to see a tear down of this station

@chrisgoku2001 3 года назад

Dear friend, super your video, might you answer next question?, if you find a GPA damaged (not works), where do you buy another?. THK

@NikTelio 3 года назад

search ebay and aliexpress

@SUCRA 4 года назад

I love your videos, and I have 2 very layman questions, if you could. 1. Is the stencil different for every gpu? 2. Is this possible do be done with a heat gun, without a station?

@NikTelio 4 года назад

Hello, each bga chip needs its own stencil but sometimes same series gpu chips, for example gtx670 and gtx680 will probably have the same bga and you can use the same stencil. Reballing needs uniform temperatures throughout the pcb (as much as possible), a bga station is required to do this procedure successfully. You should start experimenting with reflow because you can do it by using only a heat gun and some flux, watch this video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FU84qGSdE-s.html watch also this video before you do any rework procedure ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qfuBX3RJbcc.html

@SUCRA 4 года назад

@@NikTelio Thanks a lot, will do!

@NACHOXVALLE 4 года назад

Thx for your class. I would like to know your opinion about many hardware workes which says that reballing is a hoax (they say that which really works is the reflow that hapens between the upper part, the die, & the lower part of the chip during the reballing process...). Thx a lot 4 your time.

@unhappywig 4 года назад

excellent. i wonder how much does this job take. for a customer to fix it.

@JonnyBrek 6 лет назад

Hi thank you for the video!! Best work! One question: Because bga 0.5mm and not 0.6mm ? The original is 0.5mm? Not 0.6mm? Thank you!! Jonny. Best regards!

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

Hello, original bga is with 0.5mm lead free balls and i used 0.5mm leaded balls

@JonnyBrek 6 лет назад

Perfect! With lead there is less chance of cracking bga in the time. Thank you Nik!! Good job! ;) Jonny.

@ThomasMehiar 6 лет назад

Thanks for sharing. Excellent video.

@mainmacman1 6 лет назад

This is awesome.

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

Thanks :)

@xbillygangx 5 лет назад

Thanks for sharing Great videos❤👍

@ShaDoWxGFX 6 лет назад

Where can I buy the stencil? I can place all the solder balls with tweezers but it will take a very long time.

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

Hello, www.ebay.com/itm/New-215-0735033-215-0735003-215-0735075-215-0735047-215-0735043-Stencil-Template/172333094238?hash=item281fda555e:g:4rAAAOSw8w1X92Vc

@ElectroTekChiapas 6 лет назад

omg great job

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

Thank you :)

@victorosuna6574 6 лет назад

Great videos! They are very instructive! Btw, where do you get the stencils? I looked for them but only found some shady universal ones.

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

Thank you, i bought all my tools on ebay, each stencil costs 3-7 $ don't buy the cheap ones they r not good.

@uN1Qu3DZ 6 лет назад

You can buy stencil packs on ebay for $100-$150, they will have 95% of the stencils you will need (and plenty of ones that you do not need, but they are still a very good combo deal). Then you can get the ones you are missing for $1-$5 a piece as you need them. I can provide a list of stencils that we use regularly if you need it.

@TycoonMK 6 лет назад

OMG, bro this is nice job, where you working befor, where you learning this?

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

Hello, i'm a computer technician but reballing i learned by watching youtube videos and searching the internet for info, so i'm not an expert :/

@karas441 6 лет назад

Nik Telio you are master not expert :)

@brunoin6183 3 года назад

Bom dia! Eu fiz uma máquina, ela controla a temperatura sozinha. Eu isolei os componentes em volta. Com papel alumínio. O reballing ficou perfeito. Mas não da vídeo. O pc nem reconhece que tem placa de vídeo conectada. Mas não é problema na gpu. Pois todas as r7 e r9 que faço acontece isso. O computador liga com video onboard. E a placa de vídeo só gira o cooler. Eu desconfio que seja o Cristal oscilador de 4 terminais que nessas placas fica bem próximas a gpu. Se puder me ajudar

@cristalinfo1619 5 лет назад

GREAT JOB

@cristophera.j.pchavezherre3376 3 года назад

que gran video, disculpa el precalentador a cuantos grados debe estar por favor gracias salu2 desde Peru

@NikTelio 3 года назад

hello, i heat the preheater manually up to150c then i start the reflow profile and it goes up to ~300c and stops there but the top heater continues to heat the cip to bring it up to the desired temperature, greetings from Greece

@abeleski 6 лет назад

why don't the solder balls get stuck to the stencil when heating up the chip to get the balls soldered on the chip? I thought they would get stuck to both the chip AND the stencil and would be hard to remove the stencil afterwards!?

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

Hello, the stencils are made from stainless steel and solder does not stick on stainless steel, it is very easy to remove the stencil.

@nielsac5372 3 года назад

Why use diferent boards?, no is the same pcb at start ...

@user-sr6pf5fz3u 6 лет назад

Good job ! .

@Niaiss 3 года назад

Трафарет отличный.

@BIKER_SID 3 года назад

its 3yrs old video...so the card is still alive? or how much days it worked??

@jakubforycki1573 6 лет назад

Where did you get BGA stencil for this chipset??

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

Hello, www.ebay.com/itm/New-215-0735033-215-0735003-215-0735075-215-0735047-215-0735043-Stencil-Template/172333094238?hash=item281fda555e:g:4rAAAOSw8w1X92Vc

@alexandreponciano8040 5 лет назад

parabéns ótimo trabalho

@jassbrar5586 6 лет назад

Hello, i got this graphics card to replace my old crappy one, however, it does not turn on at all, i have a 500w power supply, with 1 6 pin connector. Would getting a splitter so that there are two 6 pin connector help?

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

Hello, if your grapchics card has two 6 pin power connectors then you must connect both, if your power supply has only one 6 pin connector then use an adapter, usually 4 pin connector for hdd or dvd to 6 pin gpu connector like this one: www.dropbox.com/s/covjfn3inmnijxm/365698713_430.jpg?dl=0

@jassbrar5586 6 лет назад

Nik Telio oh okay, thx a lot😁

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

@jassbrar5586 6 лет назад

I have another question, my psu is 500w,but bad quality I assume because of the $22 price. The graphics card requires atleast 500w. I haven't used the product you have listed in your reply, but could a bad psu also be the problem?

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

if the psu is cheap (bad quality) it will last only a few minutes under stress, how many amps output on 12v ?

@JOKOT01 6 лет назад

Have you tried just heating up chip to 120-140c and not reballing because the soldering is probable not the problem.

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

when after reballing the gpu works for years then probably the soldering is the problem, with an xray machine and bga scope you can find out if the bga is problematic or the chip, but none of us have these tools and we go ahead and reball the gpu without knowing the problem, that is why many say that reballing does not work, if there are bga cracks then reballing will fix the problem

@JOKOT01 6 лет назад

Yeah the equipment to check if solder is bad is really expensive so might aswell reball if you think that might be the problem. Great videos btw, just ordered parts for my own DIY BGA rework station :)

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

i mostly reball laptops and if i see that the cooler is clogged with dust then i know that the graphics chip overheated and the bga cracked, but without any visible cause then it is just a guess :/

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

and good luck with your bga station, it requires patience and a lot of work to build it

@wt761 6 лет назад

Hi, why the soldering profile is linear from begin to the end? There should be soaking phase around 160 degrees for around 60 seconds...

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

Hello, dark infrared rework stations can't keep up with the profile that you mean because the panels are heating up slowly, i also read that some studies has shown that with linear profile the solder flows better, take a look at those two profiles from Amtech and Kester they r lineal. www.dropbox.com/sh/zfhm21536fnlcp2/AACy9OTA3nLsgIaZHI9HdM84a?dl=0

@wt761 6 лет назад

Whether the upper and lower heater are controlled by techFX or bottom heater has separate control? I`m interested because I`m going to build my own rework station and I`m gathering information. At the moment I have Jovy RE-7500 but it`s too weak for rework bigger motherboards.

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

both heaters r controlled by techfx but i have also instaled a max temp. thermostat on the bottom heater . ( with big bottom heater you will have better results with your BGA repairs )

@wt761 6 лет назад

No, I`m not going to upgrade my station because it doesn`t have PID algorithm to control heaters and it`s easy to miss peak temperature. I am considering buying techFX controller or Controleo3 to control upper heater and REX C-100 to control bottom one.

@uN1Qu3DZ 6 лет назад

I would spend the time upgrading the Jovy to higher powered bottom plates, the top heater is very nice on it. You can buy PID controllers on ebay if the stock control board is not satisfactory.

@theryosalfhadhun4631 6 лет назад

Hi, I have a r9 270 that suddenly stopped working, I uninstalled drivers because I thought the update was causing the black screen, but whenever I try to install GPU drivers my pc freezes, and when I'm using it with no drivers it shows artifacts. Is it due to solder cracking?

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

Hello, yes it is because of solder cracks or the chip itself is faulty, watch this video about bga chips and solder cracks ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tAbInxD5UaY.html This videos is about reflow, how to repair your graphics card ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FU84qGSdE-s.html

@bavack 6 лет назад

How did you know that this card needed reballing?

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

Hello,most common problem with graphics cards is BGA cracks caused by thermal stress, this GPU gives a black screen.

@uN1Qu3DZ 6 лет назад

Most common problem is actually bad chips, you will find out soon enough. I have been doing this for 6 years and have learned along the way that replacing the BGA chips with new ones is the only way to ensure trouble-free operation for at least as long as the machine lasted from new to its initial failure. However, i can fully understand this is not economical in many cases. I have some reballed GPUs and motherboards in use myself. After reballing, if you can keep the temperature of the GPU under 60 deg C, it should last a long time. It is easier to keep a desktop card cool than a laptop, thus repairs on desktop cards tend to hold up better in the long term.

@zxy1193 6 лет назад

Nice, what liquid flux are you using?

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

Hello, i use this one www.ebay.com/itm/INSAT-RMA-LIQUID-SUPER-FLUX-50ml-NO-CLEAN-ROL0/232364626422?epid=1688269685&hash=item361a02d1f6:g:iisAAOSwLzdWR-uL

@zxy1193 6 лет назад

Thank you! :) Is it little less "agressive" for the operator compared to rf800? Also I will be doing 290x soon on my diy station, will share results with you.

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

I never used the rf800 and i don't think it is made for raballings, i made a reballing r9 280x video, you can watch it here if you like ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HoprTmwKfDk.html , waiting for the result , i hope you have a successfull reballing....r9 290 is a big chip and dificult to reball

@zxy1193 6 лет назад

Yes, the spacing especially at the corners is ridiculous on 290. But we will see if it will be working afterwards. Good luck with your stuff, inspiring videos, take care ;)

@gamingsaint2978 4 года назад

awesome work..can u fix my gpu plz plz

@danielsatko- 5 лет назад

Hello. Have this card that work when heat up, but dies after thrmall stress. Do u thing reball will worth it or it is common problem with chips. i mean balls under the die

@NikTelio 5 лет назад

Hello, i do not suggest to pay for reballing, many of these R9 270X chips have internal problems and reballing does not fix them, i suggest to do a reflow by yourself like i do in this video, it will not cost any money and if you are lucky this fix could last many months. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FU84qGSdE-s.html

@danielsatko- 5 лет назад

@@NikTelio i can do reball and just ordered stencil for it, but it is not worth my time if it fail again. i try to reflow and if it dies i will reflow again. it cost me 10e so it is a good card for that price

@eby1253 5 лет назад

👍

@piotrminda9019 5 лет назад

I don't think so. Because this not cracking balls soldered to pcb are damage but unfortunately rdzeń CPU.

@NikTelio 5 лет назад

there could be many reasons why a bga chip stops working, sometimes the reason is cracked bga joints and this procedure can repair it.

@yayafitini 5 лет назад

so all that and not even plug it and check in the video????? you should do that next time

@NikTelio 5 лет назад

I did

@Murlock2000 6 лет назад

i thought the use of Leaded solder was banned

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

Hello, leaded solder is banned only for electronics manufacturers, all devises are build with leadfree solder

@mulv8272 6 лет назад

Do you know how to solder smd's?

@ironnokana6760 4 года назад

I have tried reflow this gpu with heatgun,one of solder balls goes pop from the chip,now it wont work anymore >3>

@NikTelio 4 года назад

the pcb probably absorbed moisture and got damaged during the procedure, watch this ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qfuBX3RJbcc.html

@ironnokana6760 4 года назад

@@NikTelio so that mean I have to find r9 270x chip replacement ?

@NikTelio 4 года назад

buying a used r9 270x graphics card would be cheaper than replace the gpu chip in yours

@dinobuljan2798 5 лет назад

Why do you do rebailing on a graphics card

@gastonadonay 6 лет назад

Excelente, es increíble que todas estas cosas se puedan reparar, eso sí encontrando a una persona como usted. Vale la pena, digo por el costo y la durabilidad? Lo que habría de saber es, ¿qué fabricantes de estos hardware utilizan buenos materiales para construir y ensamblar estos artefactos? Supongo que no es así cuando es muy comercial que estas piezas fallen, sobretodo cuando se hacen software que calientan y exigen estos componentes. Sería fantástico que todas estas piezas se repararan, así nos evitaríamos tantos desperdicios que contaminan nuestro entorno. Muchas gracias y lo felicito por este magnífico vídeo. Saludos

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

Thank you, repair shops ask a lot of money for this kind of repair and only if you have an expensive graphics card you consider the repair, for the durability is hard to say because it depends on technicians experience, my repairs last in worst case about 6 months, in most cases 1-2 years, for laptops much longer. Manufacturers use the same materials to build electronics and the don't build them to last a lifetime...they have to sell new products ;) And about the environment I think it will have its "revenge" on us, no one seems to care about it.

@dinsya4906 5 лет назад

Bad ending

@TheGAMERBOY006 6 лет назад

if I do this myself my gpu is gonna explode when its plugged

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

lol you could just reflow the gpu chip and repair your graphics card, it is easier and does not require special equipment

@NikTelio 5 лет назад

@@epsilonairguntest6429 Hello, watch this ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FU84qGSdE-s.html

@marcosfelipe372 6 лет назад

video show

@sqottt 6 лет назад

Hi .. Good work.. I'm starting to learn to repair.. Can you please help me diagnose the problem of graphic cards ??? I have 3 pcs R9 with this defect. MSI lighting 290x, Radeon 290 reference and Asus DirectCUII 290. i think it is a problem with ram .. poku yes how can i diagnose a faulty ram ?? Thank you.. www.imgup.cz/image/L7nQ

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

Hi ,i don't think that this is a ram problem, with a faulty ram the graphics card in most cases works and windows recognize the graphics card and you can install the drivers but you will see random artifacts appear when watching videos or playing games. I think in this case the chip is faulty or it needs reballing, you can try to reflow the gpu by just using a heatgun and then make a test again to see if you can install the driver.

@sqottt 6 лет назад

Thank you. I have a hotair rework station .. what can be the max temperature when I blow the chip to make the chip not damaged? I also take G.C. with artifacts .. is it possible to find out which ram is damaged? Can you communicate with me via e-mail? i would like more advice ... i want to build ir stacion .. thank you.

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

i don't think the hot air station is powerful enough to reflow this big chip, a 2000 watt heatgun will do, and you will need a temperature meter like this one ( www.ebay.com/itm/TM902C-Digital-LCD-Thermometer-Temperature-Reader-Meter-Sensor-K-Type-Probe-MF/182287896491?hash=item2a71348fab:g:szwAAOSw4shX4YWn ) to monitor the chip temp, you have to reach ~240°C in 5-6 minutes and then let it cool down, put a drop of thermal paste on the chip and place the temp sensor there then use the heatgun and keep it ~15cm above the chip and always moving in a circular motion and slowly get closer and closer to rise the temp to 240 within 5 minutes, if you have flux use it for the reflow it will help. yes you can email me if you like.

@NikTelio 6 лет назад

and watch this video before you try to reflow ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qfuBX3RJbcc.html

@sqottt 6 лет назад

yy.i see this video.. a like this - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RroHK6_t-o8.html ..I'm waiting for the delivery of the stencil for r9 290, ball and flux. would you like to build a homemade infra station .. can you help me with choosing with components .. hledal sem na aliexpres ..infra panely nejsou problem ale nevim co koupit pro napajeni a regulaci ..my emal is Sqott@seznam.cz ... many times thank you for help ..