Rebutting Genesis Apologetics = Debunking John n Jane 2o12 

dont remind me...makes me think of the various limited but disturbing interactions i hade with ehh..jehovas and what the other ones of ''we white we the 'true' gods people'' in my own presumed secular corner of the world.

i think they are aware. its the tried, true, and tested technique of pointing a finger and saying "youre doing it too, so we are on equal footing".

Psychological projection. It's a beautiful thing.

Every video “proving creationism” just tries to debunk evolution. Like okay cool cool evolution is false I guess so then what is the truth? Y’all never try to provide proof for your beliefs.

This science should not be trusted because it's based on assumptions that may not be entirely justified if you believe our charitably deemed _inaccurate_ descriptions and anecdotes, and ignore the countless experiments testing and validating them -- but the bible, even if with or without active testing it appears to contradict reality and itself, is definitely the one true word of the one true god that is all 100% completely true and our personal minority interpretation the only correct one. Amazing.

Right, it's funny how they came up with the most obvious question all by their own and then think they have found an undiscovered mystery 😁

@@raysalmon6566 you spelled creationism wrong... Maybe you should go back to HS

That bit isn’t very far-fetched actually. Teenagers really are pretty much all jackasses.

@@raysalmon6566 Well, if you can debunk evolution, with or without a HS education, do it. Then show us your Nobel prizes, Templeton Prize, honorary degrees from just about every university on the planet, cash, grants accolades etc. If ANYONE could disprove the theory of evolution, that person would be instantly rich and famous. It's been 150+ years, I guess ALL the scientists were just wait for you, huh?

@@ufutz absolutely right. I even asked a person to show his data and get his Nobel and fame. He finally shut his mouth. Of course i was laughing the whole time and said a bit more. I also told him that scientists would love him for opening up new areas of research.

One or both might as well be watching and cringe by how wrong they were.

They got their check, they dont care about it anymore

The thing is the debate has been over for a long time. It's why scientists don't debate evolution.

I don't think these are pros --- pretty sure they're related to the producers. It's a way to keep most of the donations in the family.

I'm pretty sure all the people we saw so far are just reading off the script someone else made. So, I'm skeptical that what they say are their claims and not someone else's.

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@Roa And then there is the Camel and needle talking about how not to amass riches from/while being a christian. Yet they sell this to finance a multi million dollar "ministry". While lying (which also is a biblical "nono", but who keeps check on those? ;))

I think it's more cognitive dissonance than psychological projection.

@@carlospomares3225 That, I think, is giving them the benefit of the doubt that they are projecting their faults out of genuine ignorance. I do not credit them with such honesty as that; I think it's fairly safe to say that they know what their own faults are, and that the things they are criticising do not share them.

@@carlospomares3225 "I think it's more cognitive dissonance than psychological projection." er, that's not exactly how it works. projection is a psychological defense mechanism that the brain manufactures to PROTECT an underlying issue that needs to be dealt with. in this case, it is likely formed as a result OF cognitive dissonance, which can easily be caused when when what you were taught vastly disagrees with the reality you are actually experiencing. humans have a vast ability to compartmentalize... but constantly doing so can actually wear your brain out. These people literally need to be deprogrammed, just like with any cult.

Right, they attempt to sound scientific in regards to anything that might contradict their belief but completely throws out scientific thinking in regards for their own belief. Selective reasoning

The same as with conspiracy theorists... their standard of evidence is "someone said", but for our side no amount of scientific credible evidence from experts will convince. Seems that kind of mindset is common among the gullible to all things fantastic and absurd. Yet they say we are the sheep.

@@whichgodofthousandsmeansno5306 To be religious and believe in creation, you HAVE to be intellectually dishonest. It is a requirement

@@foxweazel798 not necessarily. if you grew up herding goats and have never seen or learned anything except goatherding and all you know about the rest of the world are the stories other goat herders just like you told you, you can believe this crap honestly. intellectual dishonesty only becomes a requirement once you step out of your bubble.

@@foxweazel798 depending on how you define things, you gotta be careful with that line of thinking. Ignorance and scaring people into not learning anything is huge in these cults. You can't be intellectually dishonest if you simply do not know, right?

He's the god of evolution in their primitive minds. If they can discredit him, they think the whole field of evolutionary biology will collapse.

@@batfleckforever3594 exactly!

5th foundational falsehood of creationism: evolution is a religion because they belive this, they think that darwin was the prophet of evolution

Didn't he literally do that once during the Kent Hovind debate videos to prove a point?

@@JackgarPrime oh yeah he did, I had it on in the background so I forgot XD

Yea because of that I wish that he went more into why and how they are lying, the logic and motivation, not the content behind it, it's the same drivel anyway, debunked hundreds if not thousands of times in the last 40 years.

@@QuintarFarenor That would be an interesting video

@@JackgarPrime do you happen to have the link? I remember it, but it would be a good rewatch and I have someone in my life who might appreciate it.

I disagree. It makes me think "why do you believe things that have been proven wrong?"

@@strange_0ne535 such as?

@@adamboyen4727Young Earth Creationism

It really makes me think I have to abandon my creationist beliefs since I don't want to LIE cause God hates liers. Right?

I wonder if they’re intentionally awkward and bad?

@@hireahitCA Going by film standards, that's even worse.

@@hireahitCA nope, they are just idiots.

Their greatest contribution to society has been the Captain America videos parodying them in Spiderman Homecoming.

Yeah. Imagine not being able to grasp second grade science, and using that inability to imagine that it's done that way in labs.

It really shows how disingenuous a lot of these people are when they try to pretend to care about education and the advancement of knowledge. They really don’t care and are perfectly willing to spread anti intellectualism and misinformation to make sure there’s another generation of morons to spout their propaganda

dumb it down to a 5 yo and creationists won't be able to understanding

What kills me even more is when I'm in an argument with a Christian who actually believes their arguments are original as if I hadn't heard it from hundreds of Christians hundreds of times

Well, all religions know how hard it is to indoctrinate an adult. What rational person would start believing religious bull$h1t at age 23? Almost one. Only kids can be brainwashed like that. So, these kind of videos are usually designed to "head that off at the pass" and keep the door open for religious indoctrination.

Technically, it not how reality works.

And to top it off. They can't disprove science they just pretend they can

To be fair, if they could refute science as a whole it wouldn't really matter how science works. 😂

@@Scoobydcs Pretend seems to be the most important word surrounding religion.

@@seanwarren9357 Make-believe for puerile "adults". Religion in a nutshell.

And for the Fleetwood Mac song reference at 26:34 - 26:37 in this video.

Left-Atheism with their denial of human variation, their mindless devotion to "race is not real" ideology are just as big of a Pseudo-Science.

@@ericdondero5810 are you trying to imply that there are people that shouldn't be treated as people??

@@ericdondero5810 Another Dunning-Kruger who doesn't understand a bell curve.

And most of them have never even read the Bible. They just accept what they are told it says, and so they're basically basing their whole lives on someone else's views that are not even what the actual book says but rather what the person they listen to wants it to say.

Well, millions _pretend_ that they model their behavior on that book. Except for the bad parts, or the parts they simply haven't read.

@@neonshadow5005 Good point. Most Christians probably haven't spent much time trying to read the bible themselves and just blindly accept whatever their preacher tells them on Sunday. They ignore all the bullshit, contradictions, and outright nonsense. It's easier for them to just pretend that the bible is too complicated to understand without a minister to interpret it for them.

@@jacksonheathen2092 exactly, most Christians don't know things like Mary was prepubescent because back then virgin just meant you couldn't give birth. As several women who passed menopause were referred to as virgins. Or my favorite that Jesus wasn't trying to save everyone just the Jewish people. Because during that time they believed most gods were real. They just argued over who's was on top. Hence why the first commandment is don't have any other gods above me instead of there is no other gods.

Hard to be annoyed when you're so full of it, you think your ideas are infallible.

Not to mention that they think that not drinking water will help them lose weight.

I mean at least that is technically true. It's just that you *need* water so it's a dumb way to lose weight.​@@irenafarm

I tried it once or twice, but was immediately turned off by how slimy it felt and how easily debunked the source material really is to anyone thinking critically. It actually gives me more respect for the likes of Hovind. He is fairly good at an impossible task, and takes the slimy used car salesman feeling in stride.

"teen". They could have fit right in with BH90210 where the High Schoolers were 25 at the start and pensioneers at the end...

Dude my dad thinks that space rockets are just propaganda by NASA and the world system to trick people that the earth is round, outer space exists, etc. I've had headaches since high school everytime I listen to him lmao

So true. How can anyone in 2021 be dumb enough to blindy embrace silly fairytales about talking snakes, Noah's magic ark, or a guy living inside a big fish for 3 days ? 😂

It really IS, isn't it? I mean, these reality-deniers are so quick to pretend that science- and all its fruits- are bullshit, yet they will daily, revel in the joy of the products of modern science. For example, I'm a chemist. If the stuff I was taught in university was indeed bullshit, I'd have discovered this as soon as I graduated and started working (outside the university). So too would other people. We'd all find that in the real world, things work completely differently to the crap they teach in school/ university. However, to my knowledge, this has NEVER happened. In point of fact, it's never happened for ANY subject taught at (real) universities (trump university doesn't count, since it was never accredited). So if the stuff we're taught is demonstrably revealed, continuously, to be reliable, accurate and objectively, verifiably real, then the opinion of two young people who have a vested interest in throwing shade over this reality, doesn't count for much. It's either deliberate obfuscation, in pursuit of their religious fantasy, or it's Dunning-Kruger-syndrome-meets-asteroid-of-ignorance. In either case, their opinion is worth less than the toilet paper I wipe it off with!!

I thought it was Triumph, the band.

Had a Triumph thunderbird and a Triton with a Norton featherbed frame and 110 tiger engine. Very offended.

@@loki6626 so, you speak the language and she is just faking the accent?

Yeah, I thought about that too. Though I'm not British

Perhaps she can't spell, and didn't see the "I" and the "H"...😉

“Obviously it’s fake. What makes more sense is that an invisible entity POOFED everything into existence just 6000 years ago.”

@@sariathebrave5259 Creationists: Something can't come from nothing! Also creatonists: God poof-ed everything into existence

@@manusiabumi7673 imagine having such a stupid belief that people just have to repeat your own words to debunk it.

All of their criticisms rely on denying logic and reasoning as a whole. “Something material and unconscious couldn’t have been there forever!” (In reference to the astrophysical fact that energy has always been there) “But the deity I grew up with has existed forever!“

@@sariathebrave5259 stupid and full of contradictions

I’d recommend seeing the series “supposed lies in the textbook.” It’s informative, and has plenty of funny moments.

Welcome indeed. Aron is a dude. For me his best series of videos was The Systematic Classification of Life, but check out his playlists and run wild. ✌🏼🕊️

I recommend any of his videos, they are all brilliant 🙋🏼‍♀️

Another vote for The Systematic Classification of Life. IMO Aron's finest work.

Saw this and first thought was: "Recommend 'The Systematic Classification of Life' series". I see others have already but me doing so too wouldn't be overkill.

they don't even allow a like/dislike ratio on their videos! (not like that matters anymore because youtube is literaly retarded)

Funny story: I sampled one of YT's "Creationist" videos of an amateur preacher, but had to stop after 2 minutes as my BP rose... Couldn't leave a comment, but I could click the thumbs-down to register my opinion... YT acknowledged the mouse click with the message: "Your reaction has been forwarded to the creator." I confess a fleeting moment of uneasiness ... until I noticed "creator" was not capitalised...

Oh, caught that did you? :-)

Dishonest? Honesty doesn’t exist in atheistic point of views. Creationist know more about honesty than atheist. Get that straight.....

@@juniorsir9521 It's "points of view", not "point of views". Just being honest (wanting to get that straight) with you who, by implication, imply that you "know more about" things... 🤣🤣🤣

Things can be wrong, therefor I must be right!

Yup! But that level of self awareness won't kick for years-or in their case, about the time Jane is filing for her second divorce.

Better yet, John thought that his 245 rrading was wrong and also thought his later 229 reading was right (as if he wanted to confirm that he isn't that heavy).

It means their dating is correct and anything contrary is wrong. Therefore, it's not really science anymore but religion.

If someone can’t critically think, why would you expect them to think for themselves?

Wake up, we all know our purpose is to give Earth plastic.

Formulating your own purpose is hard, and sticking to it is even harder. To believe in what you were indoctrinated in is the easy way going. And easy thinking is ingrained in us, so I do not really blame people for remaining enthralled by magical thinking.

I've always found that confusing too. Like what is so good about having someone else arbitrarily decide your purpose for you

some people need to be told, I guess.

I love how creationists always proudly boast how "almost every culture around the world has a flood story", but then they give no details, if it's an ocean tidal wave, a river going over it's shores or a hole poked into the sky by a spear that caused this flooding. And it ignores the simple fact that humans always live close to a water source, so most cultures will have seen a couple of floods, regardless if they are inlands, on the coast or on islands. They now started doing the same thing with dragons (to "support" the idea that dinosaurs lived alongside humans (withoutg eradicating us with their big scary teeth... uhh yeah?)) again totally ignoring the multitude of DIFFERENT stories about dragons that these various cultures posit.

"My toilet overflowed after I clogged it again. That proves a global flood is possible!" --Some Creationist

@@Ugly_German_Truths some of the earliest writings known to man describe a worldwide flood and the need to build an ark. Their world was quite a bit smaller than ours I suspect. The Protestant dragons are lame. Did I would sure go for a ride on one of those Far East wingless flying dragons.

@@monkeyman193 " some of the earliest writings known to man describe a worldwide flood and the need to build an ark" nope. you have that entirely incorrect. stop projecting your misinformation as if it were fact. disaster stories are not even remotely similar, and written at entirely different times. just stop.

Or, as @Thomas Neal pointed out, you were supplied with inaccuratre information. Have you tried to verify the correctness of the statement?

Yeah, Genesis is super fun. One of my favorites is: Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old-surrounded the house. They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.” Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them.

@@raysalmon6566 Laughable. Grow up dips hit.

Oh! RU-vid comment!

They're also world class comedians. Although usually inadvertently.

In wide screen with dolby surround.

The Atheist-liberals pushing their Kumbaya we're all the same, "race is a social construct" bullshit are even worse. We are all entirely different subspecies of modern Homo sapiens. ArRon, Erika at Gutsick Gibbon spend all their time debating the Christian Creationists because their too scared of us race realists. They know we'll clean their clocks.

@@ericdondero5810 So why don't you have an organized debate with them than? We can all get to watch and witness "race realists" such as your self clean their clocks.

@@ericdondero5810 what's your evidence???

Haha that would mean doing actual research and they're not the best at that lol

Well I think John-boy is hoping for a miracle here. 😂

@@katieheys8564 Evolution news hasn't done an opinion piece on what's wrong with wrestling weight categories, so they don't know how they're supposed to feel about it yet.

So they don't even know enough about wrestling to get a fake reference correct? Confidence inspiring.

@@kevindavis5966 Never stopped apologists from expressing, loudly, their opinion on any subject before this, why stop now?

@@raysalmon6566 Evolution is useful creationism is worthless and so are you moving on.

@@raysalmon6566 wow outdated quote thanks, the human genome project ended over a decade ago and lasted for a whole decade

@@raysalmon6566 no god exists. Your religious extremism is founded on absolutely nothing factual or valuable. Atheism is and always will be superior to theism.

Just imagine her to be a rock! It won't help, but that gesture she used looked relaxing and reduces the danger of headdesking :D

Dunno, but if her voice was autotuned,it would drive me insane

The scare quotes belong around "acting."

@@Cat_Woods No they don't. She IS acting, her name is in quotations because I don't know if that is her name/the name of her character. I seriously don't understand why some people comment and make themselves look stupid...and for no logical reason. Who tf cares where I put my quotes anyway? Get a life. It's a RU-vid comment, not a fuken essay.

@@SB-cm9jh Hey, calm down. I wasn't attacking you. I was just joking about her acting ability. If you think it was good, you're entitled to your opinion.

Trust the plan! We're all part of the plan! Someone probably has the plan, right! Millions of people can't be wrong about the plan! What's the plan? What's the goal? And why should I care about it? As far as I know the goal is being happy with singing praise to god, forever! The idiot can't even create an MP3-player :( Do we have to do EVERYTHING around here?

@@stylis666 thing I cannot understand is in the Bible it says you shall not lie you shall not give false testimony and ingerence is no excuse and yet thay preach lies and if God was real they be in trouble .he would say to them I never now you!

@@ooz8539 _"thing I cannot understand is in the Bible it says you shall not lie you shall not give false testimony and ingerence is no excuse and yet thay preach lies and if God was real they be in trouble .he would say to them I never now you!"_ This boggles my mind. I understand that many christians do believe that so called white lies are fine and that basically everything that shields anyone from reality and lets someone have a (harmful) placebo is fine and encouraged even, so that would include lying to entire societies about what god wants them to do if group coherence benefits in the short term (for the lasting of the current generation, disregarding the immense costs to future generations and humanity as a whole). It always seems selfish to me, as if they don't want to put in the effort to learn about and deal with reality and to push problems (with inevitable interest) to the next generations, just so they can pretend everything is honky dory and they don't have to change or give up anything. I think that this selfish short term thinking is protected because it's so widely shared among theist communities, but I cannot for the life of me imagine how they can possibly square that with a loving god. If it's just the biblical god, I can see why a narcissist doesn't give a shit how badly we treat each other as long as people are encouraged to worship him and that's exactly what's happening, so that makes sense, but christians say they believe in a loving god and that doesn't align with their behaviour at all. Surely, many preachers are just lying sociopaths and narcissists, but most christians are definitely none of those things, yet many fully support the behaviour and encourage it. Mostly evangelicals and other fundamentalists, but still.

Presented to people without the tools to understand ...

Praise be to the Almighty Algorithm.

Ramen!

the former is yawn inducing, the latter, barf inducing. I gotta go with the latter.

Unfortunately any interaction, even a 👎 helps the algorithm. But yeah, me too.

E-mail them.

@@juanjoyaborja.3054 I don't think they would respond. They can't discuss, just regurgitate.

Or, that they were just in it for the paycheck and don't believe a word of what they spoke.

But Mr Moobs said he is "hardcore".

@@AronRa 🤣😂🤣

they are desperate to protect that kernel of what their parents taught them, because they were taught that it was literally life and death. imagine being so heavily brainwashed that you have to force yourself to ignore reality, or go insane. pity them, don't laugh at them.

Which species of moth?

@@agimasoschandir Month.

LOL. good one, that would probably feel like an eternity.

22:12 On a sidenote, I would love it if youtube started accepting timestamps with a period because that's a way more sensible way to type them.

to quote someone who actually knows the difference between radiometric dating as a whole, and carbon isotope dating in specific... "Potholer54 is a moron."

Prove it.

ironically, creationists are 99% flat earthers, if you put a creationist and a flat earther to talk, they will agree on anything that is not about the shape of the earth

@@BFDT-4 Doesn't require proof

@@naruarthur creationists ARE Flat-Earthers and vice versa.

@@phpeon9282 thats is what i meant, in every other subject they will agree, only about the shape of the earth they wont agree

A Potholer54 truism!

_"if you start with false assumptions, you could get really bad..."_ Hm... I wonder what happens if someone would falsely assume that a god created the universe.

God told him. "Calibrate thy scale two clicks to the right and thus avoideth Jimmy the Python on the morrow."

@@kevindavis5966 "Then shalt thou calibrate to two clicks, no more, no less. Two shall be the number thou shalt calibrate, and the number of the calibrating shall be two. Three shalt thou not count, neither count thou one, excepting that thou then proceed to two. Four is right out. Once the number two, being the second number, be reached, then thy shall step onto the scale"

@@AnotherViewer Brilliant! The Flying Circus would be proud.

My guess is whoever wrote the script doesn't know the difference between calibration, and taring. Because I didn't see the items needed to calibrate it. But then again if it really was a recalibration, you would be spot on. Especially in the implied analogy they made.

@@stevewebber707 What really makes you think is why they would get so worked up over their weights if they could see the scale showed 15lb with nothing on it to begin with.

Abeka as in that home schooling curriculum? Sounds like up Aron's alley anyway, second that idea.

"My own view is that this planet is used as a penal colony, lunatic asylum and dumping ground by a superior civilisation, to get rid of the undesirable and unfit. I can't prove it, but you can't disprove it either." Christopher Hitchens - from God Is Not Great, 2007

"RU-vid comment!"

Indented* Sue me :p

_"Do they really think..."_ If rationalizing is considered thinking, otherwise: no, that would destroy their faith.

Not only the natural nuclear fission reactors of Oklo in Gabun would be different if it would be the case - stars would not work that way when we see them in millions of lightyears time depth distance or they would've cooked us crispy.

Hi Alex, I’m aware of this heat problem and have helped discuss it elsewhere in detail. But I did not mention it here, because they didn’t specifically imply that 4 billion years worth had to occur in the last 10 ka (like some YECs). Sure, that’s where their question would lead if pressed but it wasn’t in their video. They only ask vaguely “what if it differed enough for our dates to be unreliable?”

But what if you're wrong? **runs and hides behind a bottle of water** PRETEND IT'S A ROCK!! :P

@@stylis666 😁 Exactly. What if the Mormons or Muslims are wrong too. It's always a false 50/50 argument with these people.

@@jacksonheathen2092 _"It's always a false 50/50 argument with these people."_ Yep. I made a friend of mine laugh about that when I talked about probability and how people see it when we don't know. Her parents say they're agnostic and she doesn't care for any label; she just doesn't think a god makes sense in a world with no evidence for it and plenty of evidence against one existing that is loving and worth her time. She rather spends her time on living instead of thinking about gods or philosophical questions. I don't even remember what the conversation started over but I just gave a couple of examples where people just insert a 50/50 chance if they don't know what the probabilities are. "I don't know, it's a coin toss really." What are the chances I have cancer and I'm not diagnosed and I die tomorrow? "I don't know, it's a coin toss really." What's the odds that pixies fart unicorns that shit creator gods by the dozens. "I don't know, it's a coin toss really." A god already exists or it doesn't. The chance is either 1 or 0 and there's no indication it's 1. Chance for loving god that requires faith and belief that can affect the universe to change outcomes is 0. No loving being would require or encourage faith, but would encourage evidence based reliability instead and would have no requirements for salvation and would advice against worship and would encourage studying the universe to increase the chances for safety and happiness. No god worth our time can exist because the only one that might be possible that might be worth our time would encourage us to not waste it on that god but on ourselves and each other instead.

Thay are all the same, they demand scientific proof and evidence for every bit of science they don't like yet refuse to submit their own beliefs to the same rigorous examination.

@@andystokes8702 Well said.

I totally agree. Aron has been doing this so long, his patience ran out at least a decade ago. = )

Thanks Carl ;)

He did.

Doh!

I read flight. I think it works fine. Human brains are so cute sometimes XD Also, I blame you for it. Your name looks like something you'd read on a sign at an airport and it says "7 hours" behind it as I type this nonsense. Like I said, brains, cute, I love 'em :D And I'm glad I do, because I think I'll probably be stuck with it for a while.

I’d like to see them debunk a Cambridge IGCSE geography textbook.

Pyramids were almost exclusively built with knotted strings not only for the constant dimensions of the blocks but also keeping the angles square.