Recording Drums, Part I: Overhead Mic Placements Compared

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Join Justin Colletti and SonicScoop for this in-depth look at overhead mic techniques.
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Filmed at Strange Weather Brooklyn, and using microphones provided by Sennheiser, this video covers how to set up overhead mics using some of the most popular and flexible methods in history, including: XY, ORTF, Spaced Pair, Glyn Johns, and the classic "Mono Overhead" approach.
Each of the sound clips in this episode consist of no more than 4 mics: A pair of overheads, plus close mics on kick and snare. The overhead mics are a pair of Sennheiser e914s, the kick and snare mics are the e902 and e905, also by Sennheiser.
All the clips are presented with no EQ, compression, or effects processing of any kind.
Stay tuned for additional sound clips, plus our upcoming episodes on close mics and room mic techniques!
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Watch "Recording Drums, Part II: Close Mic Techniques" here: • Recording Drums, Part ...
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This series was shot and edited by Elias Gwinn of Velidoxi.

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@TheHouseofKushTV 4 года назад

Man, Glyn Johns always gets the tone of the snare in a place I love. I think if you skewed your centerline to align with the kick-snare axis you'd get a more focused image on the kick. I'm glad the drummer's qualuuds kicked in for the session, keeps him nicely in the pocket!

@SonicScoop 4 года назад

Yes, if we were making this video again, we’d definitely show the 45 degree trick for spaced pair. It gives the cymbals less stereo spread, but does center both kick and snare. Thanks for the kind words. Means a lot coming from you guys! -Justin

@sottilario7213 4 года назад

@@SonicScoop That would be awesome to show. Thanks a lot for this one!

@harveylopezt 8 лет назад

For more precise comparison: XY 3:08 ORTF 3:20 Spaced pair 6:22 Glyn Johns 6:35 Mono 7:16

@chazzhill-hayr6281 8 лет назад

How do you do that btw? The links to the time in the video? Thanks :-)

@rcboffa 8 лет назад

All you have to do is put the time in your comment...the rest is magic... 5:10

@chazzhill-hayr6281 8 лет назад

hahaha. Oh it's that easy! Damn. lol.

@SteveStockmalMusic 6 лет назад

Thanks for doing that !!!

@jaygroov 9 лет назад

Thanks for the video! One quick tip for the next one: When you do a comparison with different techniques, pleas play the clips continuously right next to each other. Always, no exceptions. No fades, no breaks. At least do this at the end of video when everything has been explained already. Any break between different setups makes the listening and difference comparison very difficult for the human brain as the context is immediately lost. Playing the clips continuously helps a ton especially when we're dealing with very subtle differences.

@youryella 4 года назад

You can ask him. Please, will you ask him? Don't appreciate your demands. And yes, I would to see your ideas implemented.

@D4nNy777 10 лет назад

Glyn Johns was my fav

@ROCKSTARCRANE 10 лет назад

Exellent presentation. As an engineer with 47 years' experience, I can appreciate this. Important to note that the least amount of phase cancellation will be with the X-Y.

@johnreid1234 11 месяцев назад

3:08 XY 3:20 ORTF 6:22 Spaced Pair 6:35 Glyn Johns 7:16 Mono

@dsrecs 9 лет назад

For Comparison; XY 3:07 ORTF 3:19 Spaced pair 6:20 Glyn Johns 6:34

@galgogergo 9 лет назад

dsrecs this should be the top comment!

@harveylopezt 9 лет назад

dsrecs There is always a good youtuber. Thanks man.

@Honeythebeebee 9 лет назад

dsrecs you forgot the mono one! 7:16

@BraveMusicOficial 6 лет назад

Nobody likes the mono one Lol! Just kidding!

@indivisibleman Год назад

I have made it my mission to aggressively improve my drum recording technique. I loved this. The "instant" comparisons are awesome and let me know "what I like" right away. Thank you! I never knew what to call these options! Thank you

@tgtech570 10 лет назад

as both a drummer and a recording engineer this is a great detailed video! thank you so much!

@sockysworld8010 10 лет назад

Glyn Johns method sounds great especially for rock. Mono sounds more hip hop and R'n'B. Spaced paired would be great for some far out music maybe inspired by the 60's. XY is quite snare heavy i prefer the ORTF which is more balanced and classic Awesome video!!

@VictorOrlandoNieto 10 лет назад

Superb three-video series. Thanks for putting material like this.

@MrJvandal 10 лет назад

This is a great video. Detailed, clear and great sound quality. Big up SonicScoopVideo !

@horstbucholtz 7 месяцев назад

Great videos! They are easy to understand and offer a lot of great information. Thanks.

@samchoate1719 Год назад

What a gem of a video. I've always done a spaced pair since getting enough inputs for everything, but before that I did glyn johns and had a lot of fun with it! Dug out my garage sale stereo bar and am gonna try ORTF now. Thank you!

@ricksalt6860 9 лет назад

Good sounding room , kinda puts the High Ceiling a Must theory to bed . Really nice touch Parker , probably sound good playing any kit . Great video , top quality audio .

@Gornagik 6 лет назад

I think part of the reason Glyn Johns sounds so good in this video is that it captures the hi-hat more than any other technique. Definitely something to consider

@mccloysong 8 лет назад

Brilliant. Very informative. I always did the wide spacing overheads and panned them 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock to start, adjusting input levels until the snare was centered. Since the kick had its own mic, I could pan it microscopically to compensate for whatever off center the O/H's made it. The reason I always go with the wide panning kit is that straight-up-the-middle can interfere with the vocal. Only the bass, kick and vocal get center panning

@comfortsound713 5 лет назад

I feel that this video will help everyone who wants to try drum mic'ing. And, as a person who was so impressed, I want to upload and share this video on my channel with Korean translation if it's possible. That's because I want to try studying about the audio recording in more details. I'm planning to translate another videos about recording more and more for Korean, and of course, for me. I wish you will let me that. This is Peter Park from South Korea. Thank You :D

@ManoGiba 8 лет назад

Best OH tips I`ve seen here in RU-vid ! Thanks a lot ! Cheers.

@billyg.7032 2 года назад

Awesome how well you can notice the stereo, kind of panning sound across the drums!. Very nice video.

@TheSoundConnoisseur 5 лет назад

One of my favorite videos out here. I find myself coming back to it every now and then

@nlgeorgelos 4 года назад

same lol, great vid

@Trig242 10 лет назад

This looks to be a great series of videos. Thanks very much!

@Tc558 9 лет назад

Great video thanks, I love that the drummer seems to be looking at you from the sofa with 'what is this guy doing' face

@EmilianoMarcle 10 лет назад

the best video on youtube about drum recording!

@trac6 10 лет назад

These video's have helped me a lot. Thanks for sharing some of your techniques, man.

@fuzzylightning 7 лет назад

That kit sounds AMAZING!

@blueleafstudio 4 года назад

These are some of my favourite videos of yours I've seen Justin :) They really cut the chat and get to the point!

@SonicScoop 4 года назад

Thanks! We like to keep them tight and sweet when we do tutorial videos. The podcast is another story :) That's where we go deep and try to hammer home new and better habits.

@busyboxst7 10 лет назад

One of the few how-to videos where the sounds actually sound good / mixable and not all overly "studio" / "produced". Great job! The Glyn brought a nice sweetness to the snare wires and hats that wasn't there as much on the others, more of that airy "action" sound, kinda cloudy / puffy. That and the mono setup were my faves.

@magicdjinn 9 лет назад

Awesome vid!! didn't know about the Glyn Johns and I really liked it, I'm trying it tomorrow!

@garymould912 2 года назад

We had a 7 mic setup in our drum booth. It sounded poor due to comb filtering/phase issues. We tried the X-Y pattern with overhead condensers. Mixing that with just a kick mic and a snare mic, the sound is clear, natural and in phase. The live drums now sound perfect in the house mix. Thank you!

@diwattos 2 года назад

Glyn John is my favorite thank you

@elliek6415 10 лет назад

Great video. Please keep these coming.

@Choinsta 9 лет назад

great tute.. I just had a session the other week with just ribbon mics.. using ortf and over the shoulder and about 6 more lol... sounded dope... Loved your classic set ups... thank you Ivan K

@jacobsmith1877 3 года назад

Recorderman technique will center your kick and snare. You can also use the Recorderman triangular measurement technique to find great placement options for all overhead mic setups including spaced pair, ORTF; even XY can benefit from being placed on a Recorderman-style triangulated axis

@dramado 7 лет назад

I used the Glyn Johns technique that you suggested and it worked out great. Good video!

@SoundweaversRecording 10 лет назад

awesome sounding kit!

@mrjackieson 8 лет назад

George Massenburg made a series of videos where he talked about centering the kick and the snare between the overheads. That way both kick and snare stay centered in the stereo image and phase is kept at a minimum. This can be used with spaced pair or XY. It doesn't make sense to space the pair directly in front of the kit - the snare ends up off to the side in the overheads and centered on the close mic, smearing your stereo image. Check out his video on micing drums. He invented the parametric EQ, he's pretty smart. I've tried this technique many times and it's much better sounding than centering in front of kit. Stand in front of the kit and move until the kick and snare are directly in line: that's your center point. Space your overheads equidistant from this point.

@donpakka 4 года назад

I've been doing that ever since I watched the video and it's so much cleaner than any of the above techniques. I do minimal miking these days . A stereo pair aligned according to the G.M. technique, a kick drum mic and a ribbon pointing into the snare that captures both the top and bottom and combines them.

@JeserNoob 3 года назад

Is this a copypasta?

@sl3102 Год назад

The Recorder Man technique is similar to Glyn Johns but takes both kick and snare in consideration, and it does a pretty good job. It sounds tighter and is less sensitive to bad rooms.

@verttigoficial 4 года назад

This video is so awesome!

@snjert8406 4 года назад

Thank goodness. I needed to know this.

@pepe7drum 10 лет назад

i like that guy! he is awesome and he put it so simple! thank you so much i would defenetly try all those techniques

@declanmurray 10 лет назад

Thanks man great video!

@itsricksnowden 10 лет назад

this is a really great video. thank you

@skeetabomb 4 месяца назад

Great video. Thanks! Very interesting the Glyn Johns method. With IEMs, the difference is quite obvious. I will play around with these on my 13 piece.... 8P

@djscorpie 10 лет назад

thanks for sharing!! amazing video !!

@timmyg4295 10 лет назад

Great video!

@avasound 10 лет назад

Amazing video!

@BrianMagnan 9 лет назад

Been looking for something just like the Glyn Johns approach, I'm gonna try it out today!

@RiotHomeRecording 6 лет назад

I like that drum kit!

@demevfilms 2 года назад

This just helped me do my homework! 💪🏽

@rundown306 10 лет назад

Thank you!

@theroll666 7 лет назад

thank you!

@tn707149 3 года назад

Good introduction.thx

@jrileyhill 5 лет назад

always fun to see micing techniques for drums.

@jamiedonnelly2029 7 лет назад

Great video, we carry out similar experiments during our Recording Studio Sound Engineering module with first years. Expectation Bias always leaves me pleasantly surprised with a Mono overhead! I always find Glyn Johns to be a little unbalanced due to the spatialisation difference between the Floor Tom and Rack Tom, however, it sounded really well balanced in the room in this video!

@BillBrolse 7 лет назад

The Glyn Johns method made that snare sound great. Could an additional overhead help with the width?

@SonicScoop 7 лет назад

Hi all! If you're liking Justin's instructional videos here on SonicScoop, you might like his new video course on mixing, called "Mixing Breakthroughs". Check it out at mixingbreakthroughs.com/

@musicbySTIX 9 лет назад

Thank you very much for this video! It was extremely well done! Very thorough! It really helped a lot! =D

@SuperIamsmart 7 лет назад

thank you actually going to class confident this really helped

@dlsdrums 8 лет назад

Good stuff , thanks ♫

@sartoriusrock 6 лет назад

When "centering" the mic placement for spaced pair, I often try to center both kick and snare! I'll use a mic cable to measure an imaginary plane between the center of the snare and the center of the kick, and then use that plane as my center reference.

@nivinraphael 3 года назад

Sonicscoop is da best!

@jesse9999999 10 лет назад

Another nice option is to do a mid-side with a nice condenser for your figure of 8 mic, it gives you a nice "stereo width" control for your kit without having to use a cheesy plugin.

@ZackMester 10 лет назад

Perhaps thin was not the best word but the Glyn Johns just had a certain presence and darkness to the drums I didnt hear in spaced pair. The cymbal spread was excellent but the drums sounded a little too bright for my taste. Great video btw! It is the most thorough and concise drum mic overhead placement video Ive seen yet. I only have four mics so I'll be sure to test out all of these methods. Its exciting to be able to hear these slight nuances and be able to discuss them as well. Subscribed!

@jeffreymiddelveld4421 9 лет назад

Especially the crash on the drummers left side is panned significantly more to the outside. The ride a bit less, but the change in dimension is pretty obvious. I would choose the X-Y. Pretty stereo image, but not panned too wide. Good demo, thanks :)

@Dazzer1234567 5 лет назад

Another vote here for Mr Johns, gonna give that a try tomorrow.

@SybrenRoefs 7 лет назад

Awesome video, thanks so much! Are the session files available for download? I'd love to analyse them in greater detail in Pro Tools.

@jeroenfigee 8 лет назад

Great tutorial ! I enjoyed it and will be watching this a few times to learn the techniques. | Thnax4posting

@customdrumtracksonlinedrum4960 8 лет назад

Great video,.. nice job,

@JacobColemandrums 9 лет назад

Sooooo needed this! Been recording drum covers for two years and didn't know these technique names. Amazing studio going there! We have a small drum room padded top to bottom with low ceilings. What is a good general height to put the over heads above the snare in a paired placement? (or above the cymbals height?)

@ChurroWaffles 7 лет назад

I was hearing this on a potato and noticed the Glyn Johns better than all other types. Will be taking note of thay my good sir.

@dcp10200 10 лет назад

I exclusively use Glyn Johns when I overhead mic drums. Generally I'll use a ribbon mic that points over the floor tom and an omni-directional small diaphragm condenser centered over the snare to really get the height in the overhead.

@nelsonsanchez3670 9 лет назад

Hi. At the time of recording, once we've placed the pics for the overheads, what should we do in the mixer?? I usually route one Mic into a Channel in the mixer, and pan that mic LEFT completely, and the other one RIGHT, is that correct??

@JustinColletti 10 лет назад

That's right Dock -- We panned these from the audience's perspective to match up with the images on screen.

@sinoptikband 9 лет назад

3:09XY 3:20 ORTF 6:23 Spaced Pair 6:35 Glyn Johns 7:17 Mono

@GlitchComputer 10 лет назад

that Glenn John is so new to me..have to try it out!

@DeathAndLament 10 лет назад

For me it's always been record specific. I've been doing mostly space-pair now, with an additional single overhead mic for room (or the mic is placed even further in the room to get that uniform sound). All in all it's the drummer who seals the deal. Everything else is secondary. As for phase...that's what flipping it is for, so you can check the relationship between all of the tracks and fix any of those issues.

@daneeehhhh 6 лет назад

On spaced pair, do you pan the snare mics to the side of the overhead that captures the earlier signal? Do you time align/phase align overheads with snare mics? Thanks

@seanlowrie8883 8 лет назад

OT: Nice to see the M400 hanging about in the background. I'd assume it gets much love from everyone who walks in there?

@brongjames5431 6 лет назад

Thanks superman!

@superfly3438 3 месяца назад

There is a video out there of Glyn Johns placing his over heads and it's all on approximation of the position. He pretty much says it's simple to do with little thought. when asked if he ever measured the distance of his microphones. he replies. "No. It's bullshit." .. look it up, very entertaining .

@LuisHouses 10 лет назад

great video

@AllenMichael 2 года назад

I like the spaced pair! In a mix this would be wide

@marcojazzdrum 10 лет назад

thank you!!!!! =)

@crestiferj2689 4 года назад

mono overhead and stereo rooms is how i almost always do drums. just sounds right to me. i keep a solid center image but with a little stereo spread from the room mics adding width as well as depth. i also like the glyn johns approach, it works well when you have a drummer who can balance themselves well. often don't even need tom mics.

@polyopuk4179 4 года назад

Nice! had some good results with this recently, except used mid-side config instead of a mono overhead. How far back i the room do you tend to put the room mic's when you do it this way? In the corners?

@crestiferj2689 4 года назад

@@polyopuk4179 totally depended on the room and if i had other instruments going live with the drumkit. generally i have a pair of mics, usually ribbons on either side of the kit maybe 3-6 ft out..and i move them depending on what i want to hear for the song. also, a stereo royer or aea r88 ribbon, i'll often have right in front of the kit looking down at it, m aybe 1-2ft from the front of the kick drum. that can sound really cool too.

@polyopuk4179 4 года назад

@@crestiferj2689 Thanks for sharing, definitely going to try this out in the next drum tracking session!

@markowalski1 9 лет назад

Holy shit that kit sounds amazing.

@DannySHodges 7 лет назад

tks

@claycrawford3966 3 года назад

when using the glyn johns method do you also use the mics for hi tom and floor tom?

@reeblesnarfle5443 4 года назад

Ah,.... takes me back to the Atlanta Institue of Art Music Studio..... great stuff, thx!

@audionmusic3628 4 года назад

Mic phase issues can be resolved by having the drummer hit the kick/snare alone at the start of the take. Use a delay to slow the channel that is early until it matches up with the other channel.

@SteveCournane 10 лет назад

By the way great tutorial

@matiascabero8740 5 лет назад

great video! , thaanks. We are listening only the OH? without process? , or are with eq and with the close mics? thanks :)

@JulienXuereb 7 лет назад

Quick question about spaced pair: I learned that the wider the mics are placed from each other the smaller the stereo image is. Why would the spaced pair give an exaggerated stereo spread?

@claudiofussei9112 10 лет назад

Hi Justin… this is one of the best tutorial I ever seen!!! So, can you explain how to pan channels in these techniques? Thanks a lot...

@JustinColletti 10 лет назад

Thanks Claudio. For most of these patterns, I usually go hard left and right, but it's all to taste in the end. For Glyn Johns, most folks will pan the tom side overhead all the way out, but only pan the snare side overhead halfway out to help center the image a bit.

@carranen 7 лет назад

when comparing takes, did you mix the near microphones with? (I think so) it would be interesting to hear just the overheads mics too.

@JustinColletti 10 лет назад

Great question Dock! On the first three clips, the overheads are panned hard left and right -- 100%. On the Glyn Johns setup, the left mic is panned 100%, and the right mic is panned about 50%, which is the convention. Panning 100% can sound pretty good on Glyn Johns too. (Especially if you're using a close mic on the snare.) We'll definitely be including even more of this kind of info in future installments, and will be going deeper & deeper as the series goes along. Thanks for watching!

@dockbandwidth7045 10 лет назад

Thanks Justin - just one more cuz I'm dense! :-) Can you confirm that the left mic in the Glyn Johns is the "overhead" tom mic and the right is the "overhead" snare. i'm thinking that makes the most sense but just want to be sure. thanks again for the vids and keep'em comin!!

@hentyhorsay 9 лет назад

I am using dynamic microphones for overheads, what is the best placement for those?

@steverodriduez8828 7 лет назад

For the glyn John's effect are you only using those two condenser mics for the whole drum set? Or are you also using dynamic mics on all your toms and bass drum. And are you using one mic on the snare or two or none? Basically I'm asking for all the mics you used to make the drums sound like it did in 6:35