Watching this again after quitting. Man, that was a rough ride. I hope if someone reads this that’s taking Kratom, please stop if it’s not working for you. I feel sooooo much better after quitting. I feel whole again. I am actually happy. It’s no longer a fake happy from a plant that only lasts 20 min. Please make the jump. The withdrawals are bad, but only the first few days and it’s totally over in 2-3 weeks. Good luck
I am on day 10. So much better still wake up at night at least once or twice. But getting much better sleep and the cold and hot flashes are completely gone. The mental withdraws and cravings are the worst part for me. I have realized how much of an addict I have became for just wanting, or needing something to help me get through my day. I also quit nicotine cold turkey. Nicotine was far easier to quit. Just stick with Jesus, and walk the straight and narrow and remember the reasons why you quit, also the goals. Keep trucking, it’s just gets better, and better. Started working out yesterday and honestly the pain in the muscles helps me get through the day lol it releases endorphins and lessens depression. God bless y’all, don’t give up you matter and are important!
@justinwalker5441 hit the gym if you aren't already, I can't stress enough how much easier the gym has made this process for me. Going on 2 weeks almost and feel pretty normal, also have had little to no cravings since I got in the gym.
Day 14 for me….. feeling 70 percent finally. NO BODY UNDERSTANDS THE FUCKEN WITHDRAWALS WHAT A SHIT show THIS HAS BEEN!!!!! I didn’t miss a day of work but I was literally dying at work trying to act like I wasn’t detoxing…. Everyone noticed I looked like death….. but now I can leave my house without worrying about my next dose
@@user-il6my9bq3d Good job, keep it up! Don’t take it ever again, trust me the psychological withdraws take at least 3-4 weeks to quit wanting to take it.
I quit Kratom two months ago . I was doing about 50gpd and was using for YEARS . I felt so out of control I couldn’t stop. I have that weird staining on my face and I was so self conscious yet continued . Finally I had enough . The first month was extremely hard mainly because I had no energy at all . But I am finally feeling great and slowly my skin is getting better . Anyone who wants to quit you can do it! I am so weak of will power usually but I had enough . Go for it, you will feel so much better .
Been using 2 tablespoons everyday for 3 years so 30 grams per day. I recently quit weed 36 days clean from weed but I still use 2 tablespoons of Kratom a day. I know I need to quit. Need to taper off
@@wattsnottaken1 My hands were so cracked and split . I thought it was because I use water all day at work . As soon as I quit my hands immediately healed . And let’s not even start about the poop 😆. It took about a month to actually start feeling like I was over the worst but now I am laughing so much and didn’t realize how little I was laughing before . I wish yoy all the best in your taper
I was using 2 purple mit45 extracts for a day for almost 2 years. I’m almost 3 weeks off and I’m still getting PAWS. It gets better everyday but the biggest thing for me is my energy always feels drained. I have to force myself to do everything and it sucks.
I’m currently going through this! I’m so sick of depending on this plant to get through the day. Thank you so much for making this video. I definitely need help!
You got this! It is a very challenging experience but the return on investment is, you get your life back. Talk to a doctor and have your blood pressure monitored. You need to be careful with that. High blood pressure is dangerous to your organs. Wishing you well!
hang in there Jami. I'm struggling with WD right now too. I've been battling with kratom for three years. At this point, for the past year, I am simply taking it to stave off WD. But this week I decided enough and I'm on day 5 of cold turkey. I'm just done, need it to stop. I need to stop. How are you supporting yourself with this?
@@exoman did I hear you right, that it took you six years to feel right again after quitting kratom?? That's depressing me! I don't remember hearing how much you were taking. I've been taking up to 16 grams per day for over four years, every day! I'm down to 6 grams a day in two 12 hour intervals and don't feel bad at all. I have experienced the increase in blood pressure and and the shortness of breath. I couldn't believe when I heard you mention that!! I've seen a cardiologist and he wants me to see a pulmonologist now....I initialy had the same exact experiences you did in the beginning, plus I lost some weight. Now I've gained it all back and plus some.
I was addicted to Kratom for 7 years, I took 3-4 grams EVERY HOUR, EVERY DAY… 16 days ago I finally went over the line of “I’m so sick of this addiction/lifestyle and I want to change” so I finally started the journey of intense withdrawals. I am still not feeling 100% yet, but I do feel much better than I did 2 weeks ago. KRATOM IS ADDICTIVE! I don’t care what anyone says. It’s literally just like taking OxyContin. With that said, if someone who is addicted to pain killers/heroin, kratom can definitely help them get off those more deadly drugs. But all in all it’s just another addiction to quit… Kratom is even more of the devil though because it’s legal and you can just buy it at the store. That’s why it’s such a ridiculous plant. I pray for ALL people who are addicted to whatever they may be addicted to. You are loved!
I’ve been using Kratom for 15 years for severe arthritis in my spine and neck. I’ve never had a problem with it and I know how to taper my dose when I want to stop for a while. I’m also 68 and a recovering addict from the 70s. One can become addicted to anything including orange juice. Stay safe.
I went through the EXACT SAME THING man I feel you. People DO come off heroin with Kratom. That ought to let people know how potent it is right there. I went through the restless leg thing, hot one minute freezing the next. IT WAS AWFUL!
Thank you so much for making this video. I’m about a month into Kratom and I’m starting to have problems with retaining water, mainly in my feet. Thank you again for making this video, and for the idiots out there, THIS MAN IS TELLING HIS STORY! He doesn’t look or sound like DEA to me! God Bless sir, I’m convinced that my swelling issues are from Kratom. I’m 31 years old and started taking it for pain as I was scared of the pain killers. Turns out for me this plant is too good to be true. This is about harm reduction and having all the facts before you take ANYTHING! I don’t think the government should be deciding on any level what we, as adults, put in our own bodies. BIG BUT though, we should have accurate information on these plants and substances so we can be informed and make smart decisions on anything we take. Thanks again sir, I will take your advice at a month into this Kratom, I am quitting cold turkey. I agree it shouldn’t be illegal because of my libertarian beliefs, but shame on the people for trying to shut your speech down. If you don’t take anything away from this video, you weren’t listening.
Exoman does cover many points folks should think about before they try Kratom. Personally, Kratom has absolutely "saved my life!" For the last year I have been taking 6 grams White vein once each morning to help keep my pain at a level I can live with. I'm 76 so likely will not be on Mother Earth many more years and Kratom has taken my pain (from for me) from a level 7 to a level 2 to 3. Yes,, my Doctor knows I take Kratom and she does not approve but this is my body and I am the one with the pain. I might be addicted,, likely I am BUT I really don't care.
I wish you all the best and I am sorry for your pain. This was never about autonomy for me and there was never any question with whether or not it is great for pain. The problem in the effect of the addiction for me and many others is that I reached a point where I started having terrible symptoms while still using it. I began having serious breathing issues and RLS.
I have using kratom for about 3 years. Man, I suffer from meth addiction, I suffer from fake weed addiction, but this kratom is so so hard to quit. I starting to hate my self because of this😭
Bro!!! I pray you are doing better, you are not alone in hating yourself. I have suffered through addiction to everything you mentioned and it's possible you can do it. I'm on week 3 of kicking Kratom right now.
Been taking kratom everyday since 2018. Have tried to quit 3 times and it was hell. Working on quitting now again. I've never been addicted to anything serious before so I have nothing to compare it to but this withdrawal is hell. Thank you for being honest with your experience, I feel your pain!
I am so sorry Robert, yeah it was tough but you can and must go through it. All the best to you. Here is another video I did earlier. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MZnBqADOyN0.html
Caffeine withdrawals are hell as well: Horrible migraines, anxiety, depression, anhedonia. I'm tired of people pretending cafeïne withdrawals are a joke.
I was introduced to kratom 4 years ago by a RU-vid video. The guy in the vid said it wasn't addictive, it is. This was in 2017, I've used it everyday since. I'm currently tapering down. It has disrupted my life. I have CALM Magnesium and Agametine arriving today for withdrawal. I learned about that from another RU-vid. I want out of this. I was a heroin addict from 2000 to 2015. I'm still clean. Kratom is much safer than heroin. If used correctly, Kratom is medicine. However, it has driven a wedge in my life. I can't wait to get off. Plus, to hell with the folks who attack those of us that are not in denial about Kratom. Kratom is addictive.
Been addicted to Kratom for six years and I’m just now taking a serious break. Last week I got the call that my dad had a stroke, so my brother and I drove out of state to see him. Now we’re in a state where Kratom is illegal and I’m running out fast. I only take a small amount before bed and when I wake up. The rest of the day my back is severely aching, my legs are restless and my mind is just desperate for peace. Sleeping at the hospital with my dad and going through these withdrawals has been a major wake up call. Kratom has helped me over the years, but unfortunately I am an addict and it’s very difficult to consume in moderation.
Really sorry to hear your troubles and about your fathers suffering. That RLS will ease up after a while and the experience will make you stronger. I am helping care for a neighbor who had a recent stroke and it really has an effect on all the family and friends. Research foods that cause inflammation (pain) and it will change your life.
This is a great video to tell your own story. People are free to decide for themselves, but your testimony should be taken into consideration for anyone thinking of using it. Thank you
Kratom should absolutely never be touched unless someone is using it exclusively for chronic pain or for getting off opiates/opioids. Once my brain experienced the high, it became my new normal and now I can never imagine my life without it anymore. I had absolutely zero issues with depression, motivation and anxiety prior to kratom, but now I suffer every day if I don't take kratom. Stay safe and please do your research folks!
Agree 100% I had debilitating pain from an spinal accident and refused opioids and decided to do plant instead! Little did I know I would severely withdraw a yr later from it! I’ve tried to talk to my Drs and no one knows what it is and basically tells me to suck it up! However my BP is through the roof, cannot sleep, I’m loosing my absolute mind
@@carabuchanan7384 I’m in the same situation. I’m over 30 days off of it and it’s really affecting my mood badly. Definitely going threw depression. I just want it to stop
@@anthonybeck813 I finally stopped taking this crap after almost 2 years nonstop daily use! The withdrawals were a thousand times worse than I could have ever imagined them be. I basically became a living corpse for 2 months. The anxiety was the absolute worse, even just watching RU-vid videos set me off with panic attacks. Almost 3.5 months clean, still dealing with intense crippling anxiety but the depression and anhedonia are finally lifting! I can somewhat do normal things now. Can't wait for the anxiety to finally go away, then I can be myself again. If you're on edge about quitting, do it now and get your life back before it gets worse!
Addt Info: IF you are diabetic, the histamines in Kratom can possibly cause you to go into dehydration because your kidneys are working too hard. This is life-threatening. I enjoyed Kratom for 3.5 years, but had to quit rather abruptly. Just keep this in mind if diabetic.
In my case it has been the total opposite, I'm currently quitting because it's not helping as in the beginning but I'm very grateful of this plant effects and the way it has helped me. I'm diabetic type 1 and it has helped me to get a 1ac of less than 7, for years. I was over 8... Honestly it's a wonderful plant and tool but must be treated with the utmost respect.
@@m.a.g.3920 Thanks for posting a great balancing reply. I think Kratom is an incredible & natural supplement for any number of things. My situation was prob a rarity. I will always believe people & communities can share info. We do better making personal medical decisions AWAY from any government control.
@@Bess9779 nah, thanks to you for posting in the first place! I had a philosophy teacher in the university, I think he was a psychonaut or something, he was a very nice guy, he had a webpage and he had a very true statement posted there: "I don't need the government to protect me of myself" I think it's all said. I'm currently withdrawing from my 10-12gpd habit, I tapered to ~5gpd and jumped, I'm feeling quite good, only slightly restless. Using the right supplements is not a problem for me to do regular t-breaks, but I think I'll be out of it for some months, just to be completely sober.
Good for you! What amazes me is how years ago, I was attacked constantly on my early videos about this by the pro kratom crowd. I think millions of Americans got caught up in this because of the lies and misinformation. So many people swore that it was completely harmless and non-addictive. Stay well!
@exoman thats part of it. The rest is that you are talking about a large population of severe chronic pain suffers, who rely on this plant for their quality of life. If used responsibly, it can truly be a blessing. When the government and research agencies lie and overexxaggerate, the natural reaction is to lose trust in those studies and stand firm on your own personal experience. Which, from many, is nothing but positive. This *should not be used as a recreational drug* , but neither should pain pills. They have their place, as does Kratom. & this is coming from an individual who got addicted to street pills & powder just trying to find relief, and fell down the rabbit hole. Kratom saved my quality of life, but more importantly, it helps me actually function while with my 1 year old, versus being stuck to the couch. I'm sure he used to think daddy didn't want to play with him. I can bare my pain just enough to do so with low doses of Kratom once or twice a day, and I have nerve damage. That's what Kratom can do. Edit - corrected my wording
@@exomanI was one of them. Back in 2016-2017 when I first started taking kratom to get off of a xanax and percocet addiction, I swore by it. Here I am 8 years later, up to 60 grams per day every day, being so zombified I've been stagnant and getting nothing done for nearly a decade, i couldn't even properly mourn the death of my dog of 12 years or the ending of a 5 year relationship because of it. I want to write down my feelings but I legitimately can't even hardly think due to it. Can't function mentally on it, yet can't function when I got a few hours without it too. I go 6 hours without taking it and I'm extremely restless, dizzy, mentally foggy, and feel like garbage in my stomach and body. I want to taper down and stop now. The effects it's had on my libido, my weight, my body in general, my mind, its just hell. Thing is, I haven't even had any of the feel good effects from it in about 4 years. Literally just taking it out of habit and to avoid withdrawal..
Amen, I think you have an AWESOME perspective and communicate it very well. We need our society as a whole and the world at large to adopt this outlook on all contentious issues! I have been using Kratom for 3.5 years and trying to quit the last 3. I'm weaning down "again" and WILL finish it out this time.
Thanks for the very information. It was very helpful. You are very lucky to have come out virtually unscathed. As a Psychiatric Emergency nurse I have worked with patients who were in withdrawal from kratom who were florridly psychotic. With the help of medication and fluids they were able to come out of It As well. Stay safe. Love your channel.
Seems like those individuals may have had a history of mental health issues, as from my experience of using it and being around A LOT of people who used it, and some who still do never experienced these issues.
That’s bc Kratom acts like an SSRI as well snd should not be stopped abruptly or tapered fast as it will cause extreme psychological discomfort for some.
@@seizuresalad91 what a snarky comment. Who isn't crazy I'm their own way? Furthermore, the bulk of folks who use it are trying to manage physical pain!! That will drive anyone over the edge!!
I have been sober from alcohol for almost 4 years. And 2 months ago I decided to try Kratom for my lowe back pain. It was a miracle at first and then I began to abuse it. I couldn’t tell you how much I was taking daily. But I finally told my wife I had been abusing it and threw it all out. Today is day 2. And so far it’s a lot of anxiety, anxiousness, some depression and stomach issues but. I realize I need to stop. So I’m looking for others who are on the other side of this thing. Thank you
I'm in day 3.. these comments keep me going. Thanks. I've been on it everyday for almost 5 years! At first I thought this is great! Helps with back pain and gives me a boost but like so many others I started to abuse it and needed it to just get me through everyday. I ended up getting stick, swollen stomach severe stomach pain.. got blood work done and it shows kidney damage. Now I'm not saying kratom did it, I take alot of natural supplements so it could be anything but that was enough for me to stop everything.. just doing a soft diet cleanse at the moment.
How r u doing now? I was thinking of starting taking it..I have before don't remember it working very well other than like a coffee type feeling. Guess I wasn't taking enough or wrong stuff. Cold turkey better option?
@@Anninukichild yeah man I’m good now. Took about 7 days to feel normal again. And I was cold turkey. I didn’t want to taper because I know myself. And it was the best choice for me. Sucked at first but it’s all good now
@@LoreCraftForge just saw u were only on it 2 months Definitely good to kick that that soon some people are trying to quit after 8-10 years...if u liked kratom please don't ever take pain medication
Appreciate the video. Kratom needs to be respected and should really only be used by people to get off of more dangerous opioids or people with chronic pain. It needs to be fully respected and it should be researched by each individual before taking it. Also tolerance breaks, etc. Yes each person is different
As long as it's not abused like anything else, you will be fine. Kratom is great for us that don't want to drink alcohol and just want a mood boost in the evening.
YOU HAVE HELPED ME FIND CLARITY IN MY JOURNEY!!!! I dont think you are dumb at all. You seem like a very kind man and a very understanding person. I have been using kratom for 5 years now and am trying to ween off now because it is affecting me negatively in so many ways. It didn't start to until i was mixing it with other party and then all hell broke loose. Now, I am trying to ween myself off of it and it still is hell but there is no possible way i could go cold turkey. The restless leg syndrome is real, the depression is so severe, my heart palpitations are scary and again I want to let you know that this video brought tons of clarity to me. Thank you so much sir.
So sorry for your suffering Ryan. You will slowly move through this terrible malaise and confusion and come out a winner by focusing your attention on this goal. I wish you all the best!
You are strong…..blessed……married to one of the most beautiful woman anywhere……. Best of luck too . Stay healthy and stay strong 💪. Been following you guys since I discovered YOU TUBE a couple of years ago. We look forward to seeing you guys for a long time. GOD BLESS.👍
Thank you so much for your videos, you are awesome. I started taking Kratom 2 years ago after some guys at work recommended it. Our job was very physical. They sold me on how it was legal and natural etc. I was taking around 8 ibuprofens a day at the time because I had my right foot was shattered by a IED in Iraq in 2007 and it always ached. The Kratom worked immediately, I only needed to take a small amount of it I was able to drop the ibuprofen completely. After 2 years I found I needed to take more and more kratom to have the same effect, so I decided to quit CT 3 weeks ago. It's been a way harder process than I expected. At the end I was only taking ten grams a day, but I think because of the amount of time and consistency I was taking it has made this process very painful. Of all the advice I have used through research I have found vitamin C, light yard work and hot/cold showers are the most beneficial. I'm in between jobs now. I'm going to look for a less physical job where coffee and a couple of ibuprofens are all I need to get through a long day lol. Take care and God Bless
Man I hate to hear of all the suffering this stuff causes. It is so insidious. I am sorry for your suffering, thanks for your service. I hope you get to the point where you can go without the NSAIDs as they take a toll also. Definitely understand how real the pain though. We wish you the best!
I can relate with all of it just haven't gone the kratom route yet...problem with me is most outside jobs are very physical and that actually in a weird way is better on my body than standing or sitting in same spot everyday. And I haven't really figured out how to just "Live" with chronic pain issues
Kratom first saved my life, and then ruined it again. I’m grateful it was a way for me to get off Heroin and then Suboxone, but then started the intense Kratom addiction at the end of 2017. 5 years of massive daily use, I mean I was taking A LOT, chasing the high at night. If I took a massive amount it felt just like heroin. Then I was also drinking on top of it cuz I wanted to actually feel emotions again and let go. Can’t believe I didn’t die, but I’m almost 90 days out of rehab and I’m okay. Still can’t sleep well some nights but many days I’m feeling just fine. I’m surprised it hasn’t been worse honestly.
Currently in the post acute withdrawal after using Kratom for 10 years. 60 days free of the plant. Quitting was the easy part it seems. The PAWS are horrendous.
I'm glad you got off of this substance with out any permanent problems I am a diabetic and have alot of different pain on a daily basis, I am trying CBD and have found some good in it but now that I have seen your video I am going to use it with a lot of respect for the fact that any substance I believe can be addictive. God bless you and your wife and love your videos !
I am going into my 4th day of withdrawl. I tapered for a month. It was uncomfortable. I was a heavy ten yr user. I just wanted to get it over with. I was still using 25grs A day. It is hell. I did research and am using otc meds and supplements. It is still awful. Wish I would have known more about it at beginning. Keep kratom legal! It saved my life. Just wish I would have been smarter.
@@jordanemede Hello! I actually made a month without. I couldn't stand the lack of energy. It is one of the reasons I took it. I am using it again. Probably always will. So much better than prescription drugs. I started again slow. The last month I started taking more, work stress. Yesterday I started back down. Now I know what to do. Back off slowly! Get back down to under 10grm. a day. It's always there if I need more for short periods. No cold turkey ever again. No need unless one is sick. Good luck!
I hate those morons that pretend Kratom is like drinking green tea. I started taking Kratom 3 years ago. I asked on the Kratom sub reddit if 10gpd was too much. Literally 90% of the comments kept saying that was a low dose. Now 3 years later, I know for a fact that wasn't a low dose for me. I consider a low dose under 2 grams per day.
Opiate withdrawal sucks, no doubt. I always knew I would live through it. Benzos withdrawal however is terrifying and drags on for way longer. I wasn't sure I would survive it or even be ok ever again.
@@These-nutz never withdrew from anything with a super long half life like methadone. I heard it's pure hell, even the acute stage last for a month. Sounds pretty hardcore. I'm glad those days are behind me though. Peace
The very best video I’ve seen about kratom I had to come off this cold turkey because we were going on holiday in the UK. You are not allowed this drug so going through the airport could be a problem. I think that week was the worst week of my life I had every withdrawal symptom known to man, I felt as if all my organs were closing down horrendous, my wife couldn’t understand what was happening as she was unaware of me taking kratom slowly I am getting my life back on track I would rather have alcohol addiction as oppose to kratom addiction, thankfully I am not much of a drinker maybe one to at the weekend very easy to control, but not kratom excellent video people. Please take this on board what this man is saying.
That reminds me of my hawaii vacation..but instead of Kratom i was hooked on pain pills..i didnt want to get caught at airport with pills so i just decided to go cold turkey..i snorted my last pill on way to airport..second day all hell broke loose in my body..jet lag combined with opiate withdrawal made my dream vacation a nightmare..i desperately knew some pills would change everything but i didnt know anybody on the island..
I’ve been taking powder and extracts for a couple years and alot of it!i was just scheduled for knee surgery and decided to research if Kratom was safe to be in your system while your under, to make a long story short I postponed my surgery cause the information I read said Kratom can cause anathesia complications and your pain meds won’t work!Glad I decided to check!
thanks man, I've been using it for two year, this month, the shipment got stuck, first i feel leg restless, sweating, hard sleeping, for few days, its better now, i just realized these painful symptoms was came from kratom
I’m on 8 days of quitting after taking it for 7 years every single day. It’s been pretty rough so far, the withdrawal process is very hard, constant fatigue, pains in my legs, no motivation at all.
It's great that you shared this with us! I know people who want to use this to get off of other prescription drugs. It's good to know what to keep an eye out for.
Okay so ive been taking this for like 2 and half years now? Never had a problem...and then all of the sudden for the past month ive been having gerd symtoms and sleep apnea exactly like how you are saying. I wake up gasping for air sometimes. It's random. Also the gerd symptoms feels like pain by my heart like im having a dull ache... now I know why this is all happening...and now ive decided to quit today because just now im having shortness of breath after taking it and its freaking me out....man I really enjoyed it too..this really sucks. Thankyou for sharing you're story bud I appreciate it...if anyone finds anything that feels like kratom without these dumb side effects...let me know lol. Hope this shortness of breath goes away....
I've been taking kratom for 4+ years now and am Experiencing the same symptoms of shortness of breath! I never would have associated it with the kratom as I also have a daily drinking and cannabis habit! glad I heard this info! it is very scary to wake up in the middle of the night not being able to catch your breath. best of luck to you!
If you know about its dangers and use it responsibly, I'd say the risk of Kratom is quite manageable, at least for me. Of course, the first rule is: Be mindful the addiction risk, don't let it become a habit. Don't use daily. I've heard many stories of people who got addicted. I don't remember anyone saying "yes, I was aware of the addiction risk going in, but got addicted anyway.". So if you know the risk, it isn't difficult to avoid. I've bought a 100g bag some months ago, and I am using some 3-4g of it once every few weeks for some mildly pleasant feeling. The bag is still more than half full. But, well, maybe things would be different if Kratom would give me a super pleasant high, like MDMA. But even for MDMA, not getting addicted isn't that difficult. When you are aware that you have to wait at least 6 weeks in between sessions for your brain health (and also in order not to loose the magic of MDMA), when you know that using more frequently carries a significant risk, it really doesn't feel challenging at all, to observe this rule.
On my second day without kratom, after a year of a few spoons a day. Honestly I feel giddy knowing I will get past this nightmare! My body and mind has been a complete mess.
I'm on my third year, 4 grams once a day for my back pain every morning. I already learned the hard way with other addictions so kratom always helps me. I took 3 weeks off a month ago with zero problems. I never understood how people can get to doing an ounce or more a day. I have seen the results with friends in the past from to much every day. It wasn't pretty!
@Mike F the right strain you can definitely feel something 4 grams is enough especially with some good green Maeng Da, every batch is usually different no matter the strain and brand, you can buy the same over and over it can be different unless it’s off the same tree, can’t be clones because clones have the same genetics, I’ve been taking it 4 years and usually every shipment can be a lot different, sometimes it’s really good and I only have to take a little and sometimes I have to take 3 times the amount for the same effects
I take 3 grams once a day on empty stomach and it gets me really hight I take it for couple of weeks than stop for couple than go at it agin and it works really good
Every drug reacts differently to every person. I think the main issue is the huge list of benefits at the beginning it's a godsend. There's a huge list of benefits and almost no negatives. The negatives don't kick in until you start regular dosing or multiple times a day. Slowly they'll creep in. If I could recommend one thing it would be the first time you have serious constipation it's time to take a break. Once you have to take regular stool softeners or fiber pills lay off. Rotate in another pain killer or another sleep aid. Absolutely do not use for recreation regularly.
It’s crazy how many people are in denial about the dangers of kratom. I’ve seen so many videos about people’s recovery. For me it was also very intense. The depression has been insane and I even tapered. I’m barley on month 2 but I’m still recovering
It's a very insidious drug and many people get hysterical when you call it that. To the point of paranoia. Many are convinced that I am DEA and much prefer this delusion to accepting the fact that there is a bigger problem. Good luck on your recovery.
I agree with you, my daughters boyfriend inderduse me to it, & i thought thats not going to make me feel better, one day 4 months latter i try what he left me & felt so good now i'm taking it everyday, its not working like it use to, i did try going off it & couldn't get out of bed was so depressed, going to try again & go slow. Your a little younger then me, well maybe i'm 64 in 2024. Glad your feeling better!!
Yep. At (12:15) is the most important part of your video. So true, it affects everyone differently. I'm 65 and mix 6 grams with my OJ each morning for pain and energy and take no more in the day. No problems skipping days or even weeks. The biggest secret, it is good for use in getting off more dangerous drugs. But as you said, if the government gets involved, it will be made illegal OTC and will be scheduled like methadone. Then the addicts will go to the illegal trade for purchase, which is susceptible to being laced with worse things. What's the answer? Great, well-balanced video.
I made the decision to taper off yesterday and everything else I’ve quit I have quit cold turkey but this scares me too much to do that. I’m worried about taking another route to quitting than I have done for other things but I think I have the discipline for it and I really need to be functional through this. I’ve been sober from alcohol and coke for 2 and a half years and the physical withdrawals are worse than when I quit those other things, it’s actually kind of similar to withdrawing from coke, the flu like feeling but it’s worse because of the impending doom you feel. If you’re just starting taking kratom use your best judgement and leave it alone if you have ever had any kind of substance issue.
Wow, that's quite a story, I don't remember seeing that years ago, but I certainly take your word on it, incredible that something initially so helpful could turn out anything but, thanks for sharing
Thank you for sharing your experience. I also had a lot of problems with it, and it was hell to quit. When i started it, i was under the impression that it was basically a supplement. I think it is important for people to know that there are risks.
wow that's rough 6 years paws I am currently weaning myself off kratom right now took pain pills for 10 years at doses up to 80mg oxycodone 3 times a day life long back problems and had a hip replacement which doctors wouldn't do for a long time because of my weight but withdrawals were hell but 6 months and paws and it was over I feel for you you are a strong willed person I hope it isn't like that for me I'm 55 now I would probably just keep taking it at that point doesn't work like it use to but it's better now that I have weaned to 3 doses a day totaling 15g which I weigh now never did before but I would go through 1.25 kilos a month now 1 kilo will last 3 to 4 months but I am eventually stopping started weaning really fast at first until I started feeling withdrawals now I have slowed my wean but no relapses or increase in dosage so far over 3 months with very minimal withdrawals and occasional depression but I got this.
I'm 51 and have used kratom for 10 years or so. The last three years I started using heavy, like 40-50 gpd. For the last month I've cut to 20gpd and hope the WD doesn't last 6 years. That's a freaking horror story. Good luck on your cut.
I am a hardcore addict who gets addicted to virtually anything, including relationships that I know I should leave but don’t want to hurt or be apart from anyone. It sucks. I’m in my 30s and I wish I had tried breaking my habits when I was younger and it would have been easier.
Your right about that restless leg syndrome. I gave up pain meds after it got to the point that I needed more to get rid of pain and I too experienced RLS while coming off pain meds. Turns out I didn't need those drugs after all. The drug was making you believe that you needed it. Herbal supplements can be dangerous for people who are getting up in age with underlying medical conditions or allergies. As you get older you become less tolerant towards certain things. Do I think they should regulate this herb? No but It should be watched to see if it is harmful to humans.
Kratom IS addictive if you are an everyday user. It bothers me when someone states that it is safe as coffee. There are a number of caffeine deaths each year, but because we glorify caffeinated beverages is isn't mentioned. People who use kratom need to be responsible with it. The side effects seem to vary. I know someone who quit because it caused hallucinations. For me, I have used it for a number of years and do deal with withdrawal symptoms. It seems that some strains are worse than others when it comes to withdrawal symptoms. I use it to increase work output and reduce pain, but I always am monitoring any reactions I have to it. It seems there is no "perfect " medication that has no problems, so it should always be up to us, not government, after all, the government could screw up a wet dream.
Great comment and yes to NO nanny state. Let me address the caffeine deaths you mentioned. You can over-train and die from drinking ice water. I would caution you not to get caught up in that nonsense. One of my favorite herbs for energy was the ma-huang root. Used responsibly it had amazing benefits but the caplet form we used in the 90's was banned because young high-school athletes where taking like 20 caplets and putting all that gear on and doing rigorous training in the hot Georgia sunshine. One or two of them had heart attacks because of this foolishness and the Gov stepped in and banned it for 7 billion people. It is the same with these caffeinated energy drinks, just like alcohol. To much of anything can kill you. Too much food suddenly after a fast can kill you. So I think that caffeine-death anecdote needs to have some background info. Chalking it up to "caffeine glorification" excuses stupidity and is an incitement on people like me who sell coffee. Kind of the opposite of the rest if what you are saying about autonomy right?
@@exoman I am not against caffeine, I was only stating it because there are limits. By the way, coffee and kratom are genetically related. I should also mention that caffeine is also addictive if you consume a high enough amount of it daily. For those who doubt that try quitting.
its a great plant that also has withdrawals comparable to opiates. I love krratom and use it ever day and have no plans of getting off it ever. People dont want slander on Kratom because these government people can use it against everyone who uses it to ban. people we really need to push for regulation, I think lawmakers are less likely to ban something thats already regulated
@@_elicent_24 try and remember it’s not something you can take more and feel better with that said if you want a good dose that will make you feel good, go 2-2.5 grams max out at 10grams, after 10 your probably not gonna feel anything more, also 10 is a lot and might make you feel sick and dizzy possibly, if you insist on taking a lot drink 5 then in 15-20 mins make another 5 and sip it if you already feel good don’t take more it can make the good buzz go away and make you what I describe as lethargic but not in the same way taking more opiates with. I’d tell you your much better of sticking to low doses but if you take it long enough you will eventually come to that conclusion on your own.
The falling asleep and not breathing happened to me after taking it for 4 days . I tried again a few months later , ended up in the ER . Stopped the kratom , no issues since . Insane stuff . Not meant for some people , many others don’t seem to have the problem . I am envious of them
I never tried Kratom because of the negative press. I had tried cocaine before when I was under 18 and got sick as a dog. I didn't know at the time what got me sick, whether I had a reaction to the coke or what it was cut with but I didn't want to test it. I just kept this attitude.
I'm just coming off this product. Today is my 6th day. I was taking it about 4 years and the last couple years I was taking about an ounce per day or more. I'm functional but not wanting to be.
Exoman, so glad you quit feeling so bad. As far as Kratom, well, if its so great, why hasn't Big Pharm gotten into it, so they can control the price? My experiences with people who instantly react and protest whenever anyone says anything negative about some product, they are using regularly, i.e., tobacco, alcohol, etc., is a major indicator that they are addicts, relying on them to make there life better (supposedly).
I'm on my 7th day, third time going through kratom withdrawal. I thought the 3rd time I could control it by just taking capsules, nope. Yes the beginning sucks and I do believe it effects heart health because going through this detox I've been getting sporadic heart palpations. Pretty uncomfortable feeling. I've been eating a clean diet so I think that's helping greatly. But it is still very challenging. The restlessness is actually in my arms, not my legs lol. I would just want crush my right arm with all my body weight to stop it from wanting to move. I would get angry and slam my arm in the wall lol, that did no good. Finally sleep is getting better. Like I said this is my third time quitting cold turkey and it has been thre hardest. I will never go back to kratom again. Awesome video, god bless you. ❤
Even if you only took 9 grams of red kratom per day, depending on your sensitivity(probably like 1/3users), the withdrawals could still be terrible. Kratom should be regulated: sold with warning, quality control(no heavy metals) and you'd need to be 21yo to buy it. (same as cigarettes)
I've been taking Kratom and capsule form I must not be taken enough because I don't feel a thing how many capsules should I take I've been taking four but I think I'll try 10 today
I was taking a giant bottle of the Pain Out brand everyday for 2 years. My addiction started the day my daughter was born from anxiety of being a new father. Day 10 cold turkey and I'm still miserable. Not as bad as before but bad enough. I just want my life to go back to normal
It's interesting how closely my experience with kratom mirrors yours. I started taking kratom to actually help with restless legs that I have because of iron and dopamine deficiency. I loved the euphoria because I also had depression not related to kratom. I took it for five years. I slowly became angry, agitated, anhedonic, and impotent. I was a total pig with kratom, taking up to 30 grams daily. I was also a bit in denial that I was addicted to a drug. It was a "natural supplement," not a drug, I tried to rationalize to myself. At a certain point, I realized I had to get off this substance, and I tapered for about a month. The withdrawal was hell: suicidality, sweating, chills, diarrhea, vomiting, severe rls, and insomnia. Finally, the withdrawal subsided, and I've never returned to it since 2019. Certain people online are very aggressive when you challenge their narrative that kratom isn't completely harmless. But, I do think that is changing now that more people have been exposed to it. Back when I was quitting in 2019, none of the doctors I spoke to had even heard of kratom. But, now I occasionally see medical research articles about it.
That's awesome man glad you escaped Kraton is like a demon to me I want to quit but I work alot and I can not be withdrawing on the job but ya your right horrible withdrawal symptoms
The withdrawal is horrible, but I do not think it should be made illegal. It kills my pain and gives me energy and motivation, however it should be used as needed and not every day.
I’m a alcoholic, majorly depressed before I became one also . Kratom is all that helped but like I mentioned after a short time , I’d wake up from stopping breathing when I’d sleep . Scary stuff . It had be off booze for a month , then I started getting bad panic attacks , weird hallucinations when falling asleep, then the breathing problem . Can barely drink coffee, hard to deal with life without anything .
@@exoman yes I’m about over being jealous of people who have the option . I’m actually currently working with one of my favorite rock artist and all I want to do is get fucked up. If you can use kratom , remember others are completely fucked.
How much were you taking? exactly… among people I know who take more than 20-30gpd end up having lots of problems. Testosterone in men, acne, hair loss etc. But of you can have discipline and an ounce of self control it can be a life saver. I recommend only taking 2-3 grams max 1-2x daily so no more than 4-6gpd for most people. Maybe 10-15 for power with severe Pain but if you take 10x the recommendation of course you will have issues. It’s like the difference between someone whom has 1 beer per day can 10 beers per day every day. Big difference..
@CaliforniaCardsmith The best way to take Kratom to avoid having any issues is to restrict yourself to only a couple times a week. Kratom is a wonderful plant, but it must be respected like anything else. People think you should be able to take it all day every day and that's not so. Just like you can't drink all day long, you can't take Kratom all day.
Thanks for sharing your story. I been using Kratom for 5 years or so for chronic pain. and I must say in my opinion it is addictive. Everytime I haven't had access to Kratom even for a day my entire body would ache so bad and my mind would be so foggy and all I could think about is getting more Kratom. I really want to quit but I'm just afraid of what it will do to me physically and mentally coming off of it.
Man, I am sorry. I understand that it's an autoimmune disorder. My body was similarly attacking my thyroid because of gluten. I have stopped consuming gluten. Turns out my immune system confused thyroid cells with the gluten structure. I imagine you have had endless blood testing but I wonder if you would be helped a blood test to rule out triggers for the autoimmune response of with allergy and toxin testing? I have switched to alternative or "Integrated" doctors and it is a world of difference. They investigate the entirety of your health rather that just throwing pharma at your symptoms.
Love your outlook & balanced take. It can be a life saver for some & the devil for others. Need to be respected and vendors need to do a better job of educating about what it is (not saying it’s like coffee)
At 76 years old I do not intend stopping my use of Kratom BUT on those points you mention I so agree. Respect Kratom and do your best to ingest Kratom for the purpose intended. Especially important is knowing damn well the vendors reputation for selling only the highest uality product. There are so many untrustworthy vendors a person needs to do your research before you choose a vendor. I've been taking 6 grams White vein in warm OJ once each morning for my pain from numerous surgeries I've had over the years, knee replacement, two cervical fusions, surgeries on my arms,, on and on BUT once I started taking Kratom my pain is now at a manageable, I can live with it level. At 76 years old I do not intend stopping Kratom,, most likely the remaining years I am on planet Earth.
Ppl don’t realize that Kratom doesn’t simply act like an opiate but that it also acts like a stimulant and most importantly, it’s acts as an SSRI!!! This is why the wd is NOT as simple as a week long opiate wd… it comes with psychological symptoms that don’t typically show up til day 6/7 of wd and last 7-14 days or longer AFTER the first initial wk of opiate like wd
I was 100g+ kratom addict over 15 years - and I never had any high blood pressure or breathing issues. I did have rapid heart rate at times, and flushed skin. But I quit and feel so good. Kratom made me a fiend. I was hopelessly addicted, spending $500 a month on kratom. Now that I quit kratom, I use that kratom money as a monthly TESLA payment on my new car. God DAMN it feels good being sober and free from all drugs. fuck opiates, fuck weed, fuck shrooms.
I've had the same experience.....anyone says it isn't addictive.....is flat out telling a lie. It shouldn't be illegal....but the truth should be known. It is very hard to come off of....very hard.
So many of those who were talking that garbage are now paying the price. When I put out the first video they were going nuts. The were calling me DEA mole, idiot, mi-informant etc, etc. Now they rarely say these things.
Kratom got me off of alch witch was ruining my life but now o need off kratom I thought I could just stop but one day without it felt horrible. I know it doesn’t mess up the brain or release dopamine or do damage like alch and other drugs but man I’m afraid to hop off this but I’m dedicated to getting off of it now and needing no substance pure sobriety is my goal. I’m starting to tapper now and I wonder if I just stoped hot long it will take
I do 6 grams total a day. 3 in morning then 3 in afternoon..I had a back injury and have constant pain. It's either prescriptions or kratom..but I keep it in moderation
Iam on day 3 of kicking red. After 3 years. It helped me kick methadone but Iam done being a slave to drugs. It’s ruining my relationship. Iam done! Pray for me!
I took this crap for 7 days! An 18 gram packet was all I had over that time. I’m 2 weeks without any and can’t sleep at night, crying for no real reason, terrified of chocking in my sleep. Paranoid my throat is closing. This happens at night only. Like I said barely any sleep for 2 weeks now. God I hope this gets better. I only took it 7 days!
@@These-nutz slightly less. I’m 235lbs so I took 2-4 capsules before training. I don’t believe I took it everyday until the last 3 or 4 days. Took over a month before I could sleep through the night and not have crazy anxiety attacks like I had never experienced in my 43 years. Not good at all for me personally in a preworkout context cb. I was hoping for a natural alternative to the chem pre, coffee isn’t very effective for me. I came across some videos on this and thought it can’t be that bad. Certainly has to be better than artificial chemicals… not for me! I have since learned that Kratom is a life saver for opiate addicts without the lethal effects of other alternative but I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone without an opiate issue. The side effect chances are simply to risky for preworkout or recreational use. I will personally never touch kratom again!
@@StrengthCircusDD that’s crazy, it effects us all differently I guess, even 3 grams is nothing, I was taking 2-3 OZs at my worst, I was on 100 mgs of methadone for 20 years though, I did that cold turkey for almost a month, talk about suffering…my god that was the hardest thing I’ve ever done, it was horrible, I got started on OCs back in the late 90s from hurting my back at work, most ppl at take under 15 grams a day say it’s not that bad compared to hard core stuff, I came off of about 15-20 grams a day after 4-5 months and I didn’t even know I was withdrawaling I just couldn’t sleep hardly at all, that was 4-5 months off the methadone, I took Kratom like 25 days into the methadone withdrawal and it helped so much so I know its pretty potent, I do feel withdrawals real bad now after taking a sh!t ton of Kratom, I don’t know how bad they’re going to get though, I’ve took the dose down to about an oz a day or less, I have a history of addiction so my receptors are probably blown out
Really appreciate the honest video. I used kratom to come off painkillers, which absolutely saved my life. HOWEVER, I became addicted to kratom and slipped into a very similar usage pattern. The withdrawal wasn’t as bad for me as opiates, particularly not the emotional side. But the RLS was way worse! I couldn’t stay still for over a week. I still think it should be available for those coming off of hard drugs. But with more honest info like this, so people have some respect for the plant. For me, a 4g dose, three times a day for a week, followed by a short taper would’ve got me off drugs without the long term issues.
And it definitely is nothing remotely like coffee. It’s related to the plant, but the effects and the withdrawals are nothing like it, and those pedalling that misinformation need to get honest. It’s not helping kratoms legal status to make up fake positives only for people to fall into addiction to it. Honest information will help people respect the plant and take caution, leading to less negative findings
This is the biggest issue surrounding this stuff, there's no transparency and i fell into the same trap myself except the only difference is i've been taking it for 5 years upwards of a 100 grams a day the first year, i've tapered off of it since and am now on my journey to quitting, went down from 48 grams a day to 28, cut out my middle dose in the afternoon and the first week was pretty shitty i'm not gonna lie mainly because i'm now putting 9 to 15 hours in between my dosage, my last dose i time very carefully to allow me to sleep but next week i'm tapering off again half of what i'm taking and the next week half of that until i'm in the 4 to 5 gram range and then its cold turkey by then my body shouldn't be in so much shock because its already been deprived of much of it ... in any case i want to confirm your story to anyone who even thinks about abusing this stuff or wants to make a case that its without risk, a drug is defined as any medicine or substance which has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body and you best believe that kratom falls under that category and just because its "organic" don't mean a thing ... Heroin is organic, cocain is organic, its grown in the grown, cultivated and processed and you wouldn't go around calling it organic for the sake of painting this innocent image towards it so i don't know why so many pro kratom community enthusiasts try to do so with this stuff ... if you really care about this plant and keeping it around, really highlighting the benefits of this stuff ... everyone needs to be transparent about the risks that come with abusing this stuff because its essential to allowing people to enjoy this stuff responsibly, just saying that everything is okay is not how you do that.
Just like anything else, some herbs and drugs aren’t for everyone. Of course it’s addictive but without proper research and funding we’re only getting testimonials which could be totally skewed by other variables. It’s a great plant with a very dark side like weed, poppy, etc.
I quit pills and after the 4th day I felt really good. Last time I tried to quit kratom I still felt like dog crap on day 23. My hair fell out. I lost 30 pounds. I feel terrible. I can't stop. God help me.
@@clc1115 dude 30 percent of my hair fell out the first 3 months I ever took it. Now I'm about 50 percent and it's not normal hair loss. It's been off and on for 5 years. If I quit for a good amount of time Hella baby hairs start popping up. But when I relapse it all goes the way it was.
@@clc1115 and not everyone has the same issues with kratom or even with withdrawal. My ex wife didn't really get withdrawal and she had minimal issues. Mine have been terrible. It's gotta be something genetic making it worse for some
You know my problem is i just get no pleasure out of life taken all kind of ssris and nothing works for me to just want to be productive or happy. Only time i have ever been happy was when i was using kratom and getting off was way worse than any illegal drug i have ever takin but man its still hard to not buy any cause i was happy
