Recurve Chronograph testing, Black Wolf, Stalker Coyote, Bear Supermag 

I fully expected it to be 15-20FPS slower than it was. I was pleasantly surprised. Under 28” of draw, an extra inch or more of brace height, and it still was fairly quick. I made up some 600 grain Grizzly stick arrows and shot them, they were more correctly spined than the 590 grain arrow in this video. They flew 160FPS. That’s about 12.5GPP and has 22% FOC. Im gonna use them as the tree stand and ground blind setup from that Supermag. I’m hoping to get a blackbear this coming spring with them.

A shorter Bow shoots faster. I thought this was common knowledge. Longer will loose a few fps .. but less harsh

Thanks, one of the great outcomes from this was to find that those short bear bows aren't as slow as they may have been made out to be. I have owned 3 different super mags at different times and have enjoyed each one. K Mag I haven't had yet but would love to.

I also own a few of the bows on your list and I have a black wolf. The wolf is my every day shooter.!!!

Thanks for the comment. I used to shoot a 55# and found 46-48# was a much more comfortable and consistent to shoot. I have every confidence that a 40# bow with a properly tuned arrow and sharp broadhead will do the job. And some bowyers do such a great job that their bows will zip an arrow, I believe when I adjusted up the Black wolf to 52# I only gained 3-4fps from the 4# increase.

Its a great bow, I now have a set of Hoyt Satori Carbon Velos limbs on another riser, they don't shoot as quick as the Black Wolf limbs, they are nice, but I think the Black wolf is a better limb by a nose.

While the SuperMag was slowest, I was still very happy with the results. A 50# 60” Super kodiak was nearly identical to the stalker results in a later test I did.

At 7:33 Im shooting the stalker Coyote, Its actually a wood riser, actionwood that is dyed grey. That bow I have had the longest and have been able to tune it to near perfection as far as sound is concerned, it is whisper quiet.

It’s not complex, just curiosity. Any of these arrows from any of these bows would do the trick with a sharp head and well placed shot, but it’s fun to know what they each do. I have a recurve my Dad made in High school in the 70’s in a shop class that is slow as tar, you can tell when you shoot it too, but it killed a deer once too. It’s fun to see what each one does.

I was very surprised by the Super Mag, much faster than anticipated, especially considering it has a taller brace height and I have an average draw length. That black wolf is fast.

The Black Wolf is incredably fast, but it's a bow that forget nothing... For me, the supermag is a bow made to give enough speed to short draw, so it shouldn't be slow compared with the same drawlenght.

They definitely would have been, I had it set up to shoot some aluminum shafts and forgot about that, so the thinner carbon shafts were definitely a high knock point because of that. Good eye sir.

I shot the satori also because something about it really appealed to me. Here were my thoughts. It needs a stabilizer, the bottom of the riser is heavier than the top, so after the shot it rotates the top of the riser back towards you. I didn’t care for that unbalanced feel, and I didn’t want a stabilizer on a trad bow. I now have a set of the Satori Carbon Velos Trad limbs, the black wolf limbs feel identical (Smooth draw) and shoot the same arrow, with the same draw weight adjustment the exact same velocity. So a $350-$400 set of Black wolf limbs preforms identical to a $850 set of Satori Carbon limbs. The satori is popular, but the Black wolf should be equally popular in my opinion, it is a ZERO vibration bow, it’s almost odd feeling seeing that nothing else you shoot is that vibration free. The Satori has more color options, I have seen camo Black Wolf bows but it’s just one camo option. I now have a OMP Carbon Z riser as I wanted some wood on my bow, it fits that bill and has a very good grip for my hand. I’ve also shot a 40# set of Black wolf limbs, just as good as the 50#. Fast and smoooooth! Shot the same GPP the same velocity. This was my first ILF bow, I wanted a bear kodiak takedown, but for the price people ask for the bear, and the versatility of ILF I’m pretty impressed with ILF and am letting the idea of having the bear slip away. ILF beats the bear in every comparison except nostalgia. The bear has sentimental value or appeal, but loses the comparison in every other category to an ILF in my opinion, especially with the dip in quality bear bows have nowadays.

Basically the BW doesn’t have the variety of the Satori as far as looks are concerned, but it’s got loads of performance. Mine looked cool with a dark brown rawhide selway quiver on it later on. But that’s about all the dress up you can do with it. Satori will give you the options to play with the looks more, but I’ll bet anyone the standard satori limbs can’t shoot as fast as the carbon BW limbs, and probably not as buttery smooth.

@@Bowstringdotcom I can’t thank you enough. This info is what I needed to confirm. The BW is absolutely unbeatable on the price/quality ratio. The feedback of the zero shock is for me the most impressive feature reported. Have you ever tried the BW riser with other limbs? How is the shock? Thank you once again

I haven’t, but the ability of the carbon riser to absorb and dampen the vibration should be consistent with other limb types too.

@@Bowstringdotcom man, really... thanks! If you ever come to Europe and think about visiting Portugal, give me a heads up!

Whats the arrow weight on that? Seems a bit generous to be honest. I would be very surprised if anyone can get over 215-220 with a recurve, even a Morrison with the super curve style limbs doesn't do much past 215 FPS.

@@Bowstringdotcom i shoot at 6.5 grain per pound, the speed is really incredible... The draw length has the biggest influence on the speed. My bowtech insanity that is advertised for 340 shoot really fast but i have set it at 32" draw length. I saw a border recurve shooting at 200fps with 10grain per inch.. They dont say the weight of the arrow, but you can see some kassai or grozer bows shoot at 300 fps.

@@Bowstringdotcom Good morning sir, Well it is possible 😉 Go for "Thomas Brugger" or "Extreme Archery" This guy is a beast. And german enigeering is brutal. He shoots a 150# Falkenholz hunting recurve, called the Raptor Rex. He hits the chrono with 350 fps. The bow has no minimum gpp so he uses the lightest arrow he could find. Does not makes sense, but it's fun and he loves the speed 😁

250 fps is stratospheric for a recurve bow. Having the wingspan of an NBA player certainly helps you get there. As for the magical 200 fps barrier, I'm highly skeptical of any 200+ fps claim with a 28" draw and 10 gpp. So far the fastest that's been verified is about 196 fps out of an ILF rig using Uukha VX limbs. The fine folks at Grozer and Thomas Brugger of Extreme Archery showcase the incredible efficiency of their bows by the insane chronograph numbers they achieve with ultralight arrows. These tests are for demonstration purposes only and are not intended to be repeated by others. I am also skeptical of any bow manufacturer that has not specified a minimum arrow weight recommendation. Shooting ultra-light arrows will severely shorten the lifespan of any bow, no matter how well-engineered it is.

@@johnbarron4265 honestly i was very surprised too. i made this bow for that anyway. And The carbon riser make it very quiet. I saw a border at 28" 60# hit the 200fps at 10gpp. As the owner said, "it's a formula One... But it dont make many laps..." The Kassai tests are Really strange as well. But to be honest, we made some tests with friends. One has a compound advised at 315 fps IBO and shoot at 60@28" at 8gpp it shoot at 220fps... We changed the arrows to have 5,5gpp we got 265fps. When i tried my bowtech(340ibo), i tried it at 28" for 5,6 gpp, i had 280 fps, when i tuned it, i put it at max dl 32", the speed was about 325-330fps. I spent many time on it. It seems that the increase of speed is exponential with the dl...

I had to use arrows that would allow me to change points and use different spines, so most of these are not tuned to the bows and won’t fly true, but good enough to demo the point

Depends on where you are from whether you say the "E" on the end :)

I don’t have the black wolf anymore, just because I wanted something with wood. Purely for aesthetics. The Black wolf is a performer! Fast, smooth, and I’ve shot it back to back with a set of Satori Carbon Velos limbs, the BW limbs were slightly faster and maybe a little quieter. The black wolf is a phenomenal bow

@@Bowstringdotcom I am not sure I could go back to a wood bow at this point. I have some but rarely use them. My target bow and my hunting bows are all wolf's