That's exactly what Micah wanted knowing Molly was also in bed with the pinkertons he knows the bank job was gonna go downhill and as he know Abigail and hosae getting captured just leaving it all go downhil and without hosea in the picture he can do whatever he wants with Dutch
That would be awesome... I can imagine it Dutch slowly looks over at Micah as suspense builds up, Micah begins to grow a helpless face as he tries to come up with an excuse. Milton and Cornwall spot them, then Dutch turns and slowly says "You told on me?" then shoots him right in the face
AlexStealsMemes empty cores , no tonics , no effecient dead eye (which is the main theme of RDR gameplay) .... i don’t know why most youtubers suck at this game
Deadly Nightkid funny things is they also apply to Dutch perfectly, every time you’re on a new town or meet someone new Dutch is alway thinking of someway to rob them, he also consumes everything in his path, he’s an outlaw after all, honor amongst thieves is the most fickle principle ever.
@@joescannoli7660 you're right, but Dutch before being turned apart by Micah seems to respect people, he welcomed and educated many of the gang members, like a family. He clearly became unstable trought the game. He's the good outlaw who transformed into a bad one. I wonder how the entire RD story would have occurred without Micah, maybe he would have sacrificed himself to save the entire gang.
Deadly Nightkid doubtful, even without Micah the gang was gonna fall apart, civilization and to a degree a moral society were on their heels, Dutch was never a “good” outlaw, no such thing exist, he was good to his gang because they were his, he provided companionship and leadership and they became his muscle and money makers, besides he didn’t educate anyone besides Arthur, and maybe John, but that one is debatable, they were always gonna end in a violent way, especially Dutch, always stuck to the past and his feeble outlaw morality. You don’t believe he never robbed, killed, or maimed someone innocent ever? That’s his bread and butter, but he justifies it by claiming they had it coming.
@@joescannoli7660 I don't think Dutch killed innocents before the events of the game, cause Arthur wouldn't have seen an evolution of him, I really think he was once a good person despite being an outlaw, why would he have saved Sadie for ? He could have let her die and robbed her but he chooses to welcome her and help her rise again, even if it was beneficial for him, it still means more problems for the gang.
Hunter Simpson yes, I’m pretty sure he’s going insane because the ruthless Micah is basically brainwashing him and manipulating Dutch to just side with him. Even in Guarma, Dutch kills that old lady in the caves, he like chokes her out it’s pretty fucked.
@@kingsweden4636 Its motion capture, so yes there is acting. Plus, VA work isnt exactly easy either, and not as simple as just reading words from a script.
He is. The drama is nice. Which is what he's probably going for. The blue collar criminal vs the white collar criminal. Not saying he's exactly right. But he has the flair I'll give him that.
@@rddtdx444444ex killed the husband and wife, and also later in the game if you return to strawberry at the same house there is a random encounter with the kid who lives there which is kind of sad.
😂thats funny in this mission where he getting the papers you have a choice of shooting the guy he struggling with i waited to see if the guy killed him lol
He's actually a pretty decent guy. He offered both Arthur and the gang opportunities to escape. But by the time that Dutch and the others realized Milton was really serious about hunting them down it was already too late. Gotta give it to him, when he said, "You will die savagely!" He kept his word.
@DeadlyNeedle ! "Micah wasn't a rat" The fact that he is indeed a rat is stated pretty clearly by Milton on the Abigail rescue scene (and in the moment Milton had no reason to lie).
5:49 - 6:04 is why Dutch is the best villain that Rockstar ever created. He almost seems like demented Robin Hood, that you want to like, yet you still know about all the horrible things he's done, like killing that old lady in Guarma.
While I agree with this I still don't see why people are "upset" about the lady in Guarma, I would've killed her to if she was gonna hold me up at knifepoint like that, I mean I was ready to shoot then right there, I was trying to change to my pistol to shoot her in the head the moment she pulled out the knife, and then before that she was acting all greedy after taking an entire gold bar from me just to show me through some caves...
Dutch is so damn charismatic. That's why I still like him. But whenever I reach chapter 6 I just start to hate him. I was happy to see him finally kill Micah at the end, that kind of redeemed himself ever so slightly.
Master Chief John-117 he looks so presentable and friendly for most of the second game up to the fourth chapter, and seems like a great father figure who really cares about his people. In the last chapter in particular it doesn’t go to plan though the beginning of it isn’t too bad in terms of Dutch. In the first game however, it just saddens me to compare what the Dutch from 1899 looked like to the Dutch in 1911
SPOILERS I love the irony in Dutch's speech to confront Cornwall. That the idea of 'choosing' who you kill or rob to be more noble because you don't end up destroying everything in one's path - yet Dutch does exactly that. Not only do his decisions to rob and kill tear apart the gang in the end, but he also ends up ruining the lives of the Native Americans Rains Fall and Eagle Flies, who lose everything. Dutch was just as much a deceitful and cunning snake as Cornwall.
Dutch started to act out of line when he killed that innocent girl in blackwater and Bronte and his descent went even further when Hosea died. He was his best friend and the voice of reason in the gang. But after Guarma, Micah manipulated Dutch and replaced Arthur as Dutches right hand man and Arthur has been with Dutch and Hosea since the beginning for 20 years. When Dutch left Arthur to die, any loyalty he had for Dutch was broken and he secretly planned to get John and his family out of this before it was too late. At that point, The Plan to live free was just an excuse just as John said in RDR1. When Dutch left his Arthur and John to die and when he left Abigail to her fate, with the risk of Jack being an orphan, any remaining loyal was forever gone and everything that they lived and fought for was just an excuse and a lie. Arthur, John, Abigail Hosea, Lenny, Sean, Pearson, Uncle and the others truly wanted to start over and go straight but Micahs manipulation and Dutch leaving those most loyal to die instead of helping cause the Van Der Linde gang to be disbanded.
Dutch doesn’t have a bad heart. He went crazy because of the circumstances. You would too if you had to take care of a lot of people and all you see is half of them getting killed and the other half fighting each other.
Jonathan Stoffel Thank you. But seriously, Dutch really lost it in this mission. The way he just shot Cornwall, I knew things were going to get so much worse for the gang from this point forward. And they did.
@@triggerwarning7868 damn thank god thought I was Finna end up like old Morgan there. I was wondering why I'd been coughing a lot past while thought maybe it was like a pleseabo coz Arthur was coughing lol
@@Howvez Anything can be racist with the appropriate context. But in this context it's quite clear that mr. simplethegoat was not imply anything or using a dog whistle. If you want to find racism in RU-vid comment sections trust me it aint that hard to find half the time.
Did make some sense after all. If he accepts, everything they'd been trying to accomplish would be there right that minute (even though they might still have to fight off some guys that would come after them on their passage). If not, at least the guy who pays the Pinkerton Agency to hunt them isn't there anymore.
@@matrix91234Dutch is a hypocrite in that regard. Heidi McCourt, Angelo Bronte, Leviticus Cornwall (Bronte and Cornwall may have deserved it but still), etc. Though he definitely did change in some regard, likely a mixture of everyone in the gang dying, his implied brain injury and Micah getting in his head constantly.
@@lukasgermes5561 But the company pays them, it would be predictable that the successor of Cornwall will pay even HARDER for the Pinkertons, and Pinkertons' humiliation(they killed their boss right in front of them) would make them more furious.
Dutch was always charamstic idealist and Hosea was the logical/logistical manager. Without Hosea, dutch's idealism became an unhinged weapon, and the gang turn from a group/business to rebels without a cause, trying to both escape AND right the perceived wrongs of the world with no discretion or long term plan.Going after Cornwall was dutch letting his sense of morality and ego overtake good strategy. Same as killing Bronte, we see dutch going over Hoseas head so its implied even if Hosea hadn't died, dutch may have already been to far gone to listen to reason at that point anyway.
Pierre C yeah that would be great, having a young Arthur at your side and a young John and the last mission is playing through the black water massacre, it would neatly spread the narrative and just serve to make every character deeper. And hurt that much more when you reach the end of RDR1
I disagree, the Redemption series should end here. It really is poetic . Start up a new series in the 1860s or 1870s. During the height of the wild west.
@@JT-ho6rp That's what Red Dead Redemption 3 could be. A new map farther than New Austin and the Van Der Linde Gang's birth and more robberies. There is so much more to tell.
I disagree simply for the fact that RDR is a shooting game and there would be even less guns than the alrrady small pool of gun we have available. If they keep it going with the same group I hope it's with Jack and something with WW1. Or he could become pre WW2 mob boss.
Why does every job that involves Micah end in a massacre? :D I knew I should have killed the guy back in strawberry or at least leave him to rot in his cell but unfortunately, Rockstar decided that he's mandatory to the plot^^
Kinda late but actually Dutch seems to be signaling him to get that book one of the agents is holding. But it's most likely that he did gave them some info then.
No, Micah only started to betray the gang after they got from Guarma. At this point, Abigail is the rat, there's a whole theory about it, it makes much sense.
There's just something about Cornwall and Dutch's conversation that really speaks to me. Two bad people no doubt but its like Cornwall underestimates how intelligent Dutch is.
@@akilkotamarti1000Once upon a time maybe, but they’re long gone by this point in the game, as seen by Dutch using and abusing the Natives for personal gain just like the businessmen and government he despises and repeatedly abandoning his ‘sons.’
@@internetexplorer9066every time Dutch does something crazy in chapter 6 it had me in fits of laughter. His surprise at the Pinkertons showing up when they were probably still in Annesburg anyway had me dying 😂😂
@@liamwright2510 yeah right. Also Dutch even says Cornwall effectivly runs the city and the mines :D He had me laughing in this depressing chapter a lot - same with Bill :D
@@Philipp3022 just made me laugh how the pinkerton’s were there less than 5 minutes ago and Dutch has a surprise Pikachu face when they seemingly hear all the commotion and come back 😂😂
Say what you will about Dutch. His daring and skill are unquestionable. Despite the trouble this caused for the gang, I think this is one of Dutch’s most heroic moments.
@@waledilson2757 agreed. This scene paints Cornwall as a corporate overlord and seeing him shot right in the chest soon after was satisfying. I can't believe all these kids are dying but people like Cornwall are left to fester.
I don’t know why but when Dutch talked to Cornwall it felt like the old Dutch came back, he had his reasons and was a “fancy one with words” as bill would say
I arrived at Annesburg late at night so at 3:13 Dutch said "Cornwall's boat is due in the morning" instead of "soon". The attention to detail in this game is 👌
-you sure you got the lungs for this morgan? -Shut The HELL UP hahahahahahhahahahhahaha the bickering in the middle of a firefight.... my favorite scene hahahahhahahahahahhaha
After playing it the first time I always thought he was just paranoid and rightfully so in an outlaw on the run kind of way but after learning about Micah and replaying this part now I understand
There is so many little moments like this. Also like when Lenny dies Micah, Bill and dutch basically just ran past them like he was nothing. Charles and Arthur stopped out of fast respect for the time being. Even Javier had to look back at him with fear in his eyes
In defense of Dutch's plan: 5:01 implies Micah's job was to shadow the man and retrieve his documents that likely contained info about the state bonds in Cornwall's oil refinery and the train-shipments of army payroll. Throughout this entire chapter, Dutch used sporadic terrorism and distractions to keep the Pinkertons guessing as to their next move -- what he calls "noise." He does that here by starting a shootout with Cornwall's men to ensure Micah succeeded. He does the same thing later by encouraging the Native's attack on the oil fields, all so he could get a crack at the office desk. Weirdly, Dutch's plan did "work." It was just executed at the expense of the people Dutch was supposed to care for. He started regarding his gang as expendable. Micah convinced him "survival" was what mattered above all else. Arthur "thought different." Sh*t, did I just do a game theory???
What i don't understand is why Dutch didnt escape with the ship from the Pinkertons, dock it up somewhere, get the gang, and GET TO TAHITIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
There was too many Pinkertons shooting for him to have time to drive away... Plus after he had Micah get them papers they basically had to flee from the Pinkertons leaving no time to get back to the ship
What I really appreciate about this settlement is the colourful reflection of oil contaminated water. It’s subtle, but I like that they bothered to add it.
