Red vs. Green ... S680 vs. 8240 

Thank you very much!!

I went and looked at a gleaner finally bc everyone claims they are so wonderful... after 45 mins of looking at it, i still couldn't figure out whats so good about them ... every brand has a pro or con - nothing on the gleaner seemed to stand out as an engineering marvel to me

@@Blackearthexcavationandtiling Run one and you'll see. Takes a lot less power to run the Gleaner because the rotor sits crosswise and an amazing ability to clean grain using accelerator rolls and two stage cleaning system which also makes the Gleaner hillside capable without expensive hillside components being added. There is only one gear box to worry about. All done with a combine 15,000 pounds lighter than the Deere. S98 vs S780. I can pick some thing about Gleaner that could have been better but that isn't my goal right now as I hoover towards the silver side just a little too much. ;) I'm not sure about the latest Deeres and CaseIH machines but at least 30 years ago going up to about 15 years ago (about when I stopped paying attention to the red and green) Gleaner had a thicker frame, Chrome alloy sprockets in key areas, 1/4" thicker auger flighting in key areas, chrome alloy rotor bars and vanes, kevlar belts when everyone else had just belts and o-ring feeder chains. That all goes back to the late 80's and early 90's. Not to mention the Gleaners back then had bigger grain bins 315 bu in an N7. My 1981 L2 hold 200 bu and my 1996 R52 holds 245 bu with a factory bin. If you go back further Gleaner had, automatic flip up grain bin extensions that tipped up as they filled with grain, grain loss monitors, bin full alarm, auto reel speed, torque sensing drives, hydraulic variable speed corn head, rock protection (and it was a fool proof system), electro-hydraulic controls, high velocity cross-flow cleaning fan, and a 12 row capable combine all before anyone else. And I'm sure I missed a few things. When I was growing up Gleaner was king and sold more combines in the US than anyone else and Gleaners were considered the cadillac of combines. Too bad they dumped their farm profits of the 70's into loser divisions like mining equipment, navy ship engines, hydro-electric dam generators and turbines. All industries ruined by liberals and turned Allis-Chalmers into a heap that the farm crisis of the 80's finished off and then came the German occupation that stole away their market share which AGCO never gained back in the US to this day. OK I think I wrote enough for a book.

Too bad Allis-Chalmers isn't still building them

Thank you very much!!

If it is red it stays in bed

While the green machine does the work

If it has wheels it’s good

@@black-jack5883 You must be green with envy ;) If it's green it shouldn't be seen.

@@SilverGleaner if its red it's probably dead

Massey went down that road and found that for some things the expense to build and to replace worn hydraulic motors and pumps was too much for the customer to bear. Won't show if you trade every few years but the future owners will see it. They went back to more belts like Gleaner and made them more accessible to change out.

That is the sole reason why case bought International Harvester only for that purpose

@@SilverGleaner on on our 8th year with our 9120, n we've never had to replace anything hydrolic on it. Its basically still in mint condition, even though it trashes 5k acres a year, 6 differnt kinda crops, in sand. So frankly i think if someone has an issue with their case combine, its the operator not the combine. Infact we fixed up a very badly burnt 8120 n been no problem for 3 years now

True, our 9230 has been great, good design with the hydraulic drive , I hate how thin the rethreshing housing is shakes to much. already reinforced on 2 combines since broke casing already once. Only thing I think down the road some seals will end up going out on hydraulics cvt vs belt drive. Also wiring isn’t the greatest on ih near all pipes by cvt… rubbing and wear thru before and finding them hydraulic pipes is a headache.

Thanks very much!

AGREE 100 percent!

Overall we have had less trouble with the JD machine.. but the case was also a good machine

Exactly .. and well said .. there are so many possibilities to combines thst its hard to put it all into one short video

Thanks for watching.... and ha, your right- when I hear case, I think about the old white JI case factors.. I guess technically I should be calling it a fiat (lol) ...... and your right the price of this stuff is astronomical anymore - a new 790 deere and two big heads 800 grand ....

Actually tenneco who owned J.I. Case. Purchased International Harvester's ag division. 2 great farm equipment companies came together and continued to produce equipment under a combined name. Then tenneco folded in the early 2000's for reasons I never heard and the ag equipment was sold to fiat agri. But the basics of that red combine and the green one for that matter were invented by international harvester and introduced by the same in 1978. Which makes it an international. Oh and I wouldn't call them john deere wagner's. I'd call them wagner's which is what they are.

@Kelly Giesbrecht Technically, you're right, but it is still Case-I.H. J.I. Case did make combines and they were good machines, too, but for whatever reason, the company just quit building them in 1970. Axial-Flows are adopted by Case, but their heritage is still 100 percent, International harvester. Growing like a graft, onto financially strong root stock. The scion will still bear I.H. fruit.

@@rivervalleyfarm482, true on Tenneco, which has not actually folded or gone under, but has remodeled itself. The refineries and gas stations are gone. Tenneco, bought remaining shares of J.I. Case, in early 1968. They sold all of Case's ag division to another firm, which consolidated it with New Holland, back around 1994 or so. I've forgotten the exact date and the name of this firm. However, Tenneco remains a 9 billion dollar corporation, and is tied strongly to the Kern County Land Company of California, a company steeped in scandals from Day One. I'm glad the farm equipment is no longer married to Kern County Land Co, which once owned Tenneco, and maybe still does.

So true .... and exactly right .. they all have pros and cons

Nothing wrong with the red machines .. weve run red combines for years, but I dont agree with your statement - both machines are practically neck in neck on capacity

The Wildlife love them Green Combines..

I run green tractors but I love my red combines, I own a 8240 and I run a 40 foot Draper Flex head and a 12 row Geringhoff folding cornhead and I have no complaints. When I purchased my 8240 Case IH I also looked at the 670 JD with similar options and for my money Case IH was the best deal and my friends who drive green combines say they should have done the same. Up keep on the JD combines runs 30% higher per year than the Case IH

Mark Crowley it’s a fiat

Mark Crowley if it’s red leave it in the shed

The red machine is the only other combine I would consider.

Thank you so much for the kind words ... I am not sure about small grains, I dont have much experience there ... i think corn and soybeans wise, they are about the same ... it's so hard to get an exact number on outputs when there are so many variables and crop conditions... the JD does have a hint more power ... I'll definitely have more about them in the near future .... and I have some other cool things coming up ... thanks again! And have a great evening and a great day tomorrow!

Nah, I just bought a $300 dollar Ford Gran Marquis..Like it better than any new one..

Thanks for watching!

Thanks so much!

Thanks for taking time to comment .and for watching .... isnt it amazing how every brand has something.. pros and cons to all makes ... you would think one brand would have it all ..lol

Hmmm .. the mystery ... lol .. stay tuned - more videos coming up! And thanks watching

Right ..I agree ... every brand has pros and cons ... we need to take the best of all brand and build our own!

Good to hear from you ... and hmm did the 9870 already leave .. little sneak peak info here - I actually made money on it so yup bye old 70 series..lol ........ we have about 2 to 1 JD dealers vs CIH ... thanks again!

@@Blackearthexcavationandtiling I figured you made money on the 9870. I know you said you got a really good deal on it when you bought it.

Thanks very much... and yes, that's a great idea for a video

Thanks!

Unless you set a Deere right you can clean just as good or better then a case.

Hingtgen Farms right

I liked the self leveling sieves too ... but the JD uses more rotor separation and has side hill dividers on the sieves .. so far on the JD I have seen no advantage with the case self leveling design.... I have more vids coming up on how the two compare after being in the field ...

Ok that’s a fair comment considering your operating both machines. I look forward to the operation comparison 🇦🇺

@@toppops22 thank you for watching!!

Thanks so much!

We have 1650 separator hours and the unload auger is still fine ... larger chain drives and better than the cih

BLACK EARTH EXCAVATION & TRENCHING, LLC and a lot slower unloading. The ones I’ve been around that’s not the case as well as the shakers failing.. that all being mechanical go to grain quality in 25+% corn and the Deere makes ground feed

@@kurtwilliams9114 I dont have experience on high moisture corn ... but I will defend the unload speed - we measured it, and the deere was about 10% faster in 15% corn

Lol... Massey machines are being discontinued by agco

I have seen them .. it looks like a good idea... JD offers the same thing - but they call it an advisor package.... JD makes the advisor package for the S680 in the video (my 2k14 an up) ... I think It would be a good deal ... .... you make a good point about longevity- with what these machines cost and how much gets shoved through them I dont think I they'll be around in 30 years ... the companies want it this way - big - fast paced turn time.. lots of acreage, wear it out fast and work for very little ...

@@Blackearthexcavationandtiling correct on the longevity of complex electronics. I do embrace the technology of the 50 Series A-F's, but how long will they last? The most INFURIATING thing about these million dollar combine harvesters, is a LACK of a built-in [factory-made] automatic fire suppression system!!! It's a FREAKING MILLION DOLLARS and as our combines go, are 20 percent MORE susceptible to total loss fire, than their manual/mechanical predecessors, of just 20 years ago and back. The ONLY thing BOTH Case-I.H. [C.N.H.] and Deere and Co, really lag behind on, is PROTECTING their customers' most valuable investments!!!!

​@@Blackearthexcavationandtiling I have the 8240 now I bought it new in 2016 but I am already looking at the 8250 with the new technology of keeping the combine always adjusted to 100% capacity it would always be efficient and running a peak capacity in the long run saving you money.

​@@Blackearthexcavationandtiling I guess my biggest concerns about the Case IH wiring harness being not being as good as JD. Electrical fire scares the hell out of me in combines. I can control a lot of dust and trash fires on combines by doing walk arounds and cleaning dust and trash off the combine but electrical fires is a different story.

Huh? Deere had more tank cap .. larger cubic inches and more torque...

@@icenbryse5190 case unloads slower than the JD .. we tested it- about 10% slower with 15% corn.... JD engine has a greater torque curve over the case too (but its negligible, basically same HP) .... grain tanks are the same cap, but depends upon what tank (such as powerful, etc) that you get (again negligible)...

Agreed. Torque curve shape is irrelevant on a combine. They sit at 2100rpm all day and hay hydrostatic trans. Nothing like a tractor that u actually want to lug down to peak torque at 1400rpm

@@captianprice1592 only on paper

Really? Even the comfort?

I would buy case only for the motor fpt, much more releable and use less gasoline (a lot), i know a person who broke the engine at 5000 hours on a fpt motor and they have change in waranty. I think john deere would absolutely not change even a nut for free at those hours

I have .. felt they were a complicated mess .. but well (heavily) built ... but worse part is there is absolutely no dealer network in our area .. and I personally do not like the cab ergonomics

@@Blackearthexcavationandtiling well if you don't have a dealer then yeah.. we have tried all three brands and so far its been a no brainer

Right on!

Thank you for asking and for watching ... the case ih has a great sieve and separator area... but the JD has an advisor package, that can automatically set on the go ....so overall the JD can probably keep a better tank sample due to the automation

@@Blackearthexcavationandtiling Thanks for the reply.

Hmmmm ...lol - this channel is like a soap opera...lol ... maybe and does maybe mean yes? ..lol 🤣 ..... I'll have more about it soon - stay tuned! ....thanks very much and have a good evening!

@@Blackearthexcavationandtiling It would be fun to see you in the fields this fall with the S680 or the 8240 or both! Very educational video.

The S600 have a serial never break where the later are essentially at 700 series .. the early 600 series are the worst deer made (in my opinion) ...stay tuned - I ll have more about it soon

Thanks very much! ....oh yes, you'll definitely be seeing "it" all fall .. stay tuned- lots more about "it" coming up

The red is being ruined by foreign owners IMO, just like Silver even though silver is technically based in the US it is mostly run by Germans and I think French ever since a plane crash a dozen years ago or more killed some top leadership flying over Europe somewhere. The orange tractors replaced by Massey red that no one, at least in my area, wants and their attempts to get rid of Gleaner over the years but since Gleaners outsold Massey And Challenger about 11 to 1 they were forced to stay with Gleaner. European leadership for some reason doesn't like to sell what American farmers want. Deere seems always steady, even with a hiccup here and there with some bad products they always pull through. I think it's because the Deere family is still very involved and don't always aim to only please stock holders.

*why*

@@michaelanderson7715 cause only rich retards buy expensive shit you still have to work on all day long rather buy cheap keep it simple and keep cost to minimum kinda how u make money without having the bank own your farm. But your young so go ahead buy that expensive fancy shit

@@mikemercer8395 amoeba

Yeah.. They wait so they can copy it .. or have someone build it for them...

I looked at some gleaners and didn't find them to be all that simple ..

No combine is simple, just that compared to all others they are by far the simplest, sips fuel, lowest loss levels cleanest sample, and never have to blow coolers out or blow combine off, just fuel and a little grease and off you go. You would have to run one to see.

@@gleanerman2195 I'll take your word on it as I have not been around one much ...... my experience with combines as an overall though, is they are high priced pain in the rears

I have to disagree i have ran a 05 cat challenger and i was blowing out the radiator 2 to six times a day in Oklahoma and the cat is the same as a gleaner ill take a John deere any day of the week and twice on Sunday

Well the new Gleaners have reverse cooling and we never have to blow them out. The cat is not a Gleaner. So you would rather burn more fuel, cut less acres, have more grain loss, dirty sample breaks more often, yea that makes perfect sense to me

Do you mean outside or inside the cab?

Inside

@@kentuckyfarmer2192 ahh .. earlier sn# s600 are defining loud inside .. casih was much quieter .. but the late 600 series (which are basically 700 seires deeres) are quieter than the case 40 series .. I cant say if case has stepped up on the 50 series or not ..... john deere got a lot of flak on noise levels and made major major improvements...

Glad this got brought up and explained. I have a friend that runs a 2014 s680 and also have a friend that runs a 9120 case. I was in both machines back to back in beans last year. I could say that maybe the ih was quieter, but really couldn’t tell. The ih was cutting 70 bu/acre beans and did not like going faster than 4.3mph without the tailings alarm beeping at ya. While the Deere was fine and dandy in 60 bu/acre beans going 6mph with a 40ft Mac don and the ih had a 35’.

Oh and great job on the video.

Good eye!

As it wears it becomes more difficult due to clutch engagement...

@@Blackearthexcavationandtiling we have a 9120, n a 8120, both of em have very high hours, n we've never experienced any issues, except being able to change it from inside the cap not sure how youd make it more conveniant

@@OriginalQuranOnlyChristian works for you then that's fine...great ... for me, I'd prefer something better... sorry that our expectations don't line up perfectly...

@Black Earth Farming just trying to figure out how having to remove a cover to change rotor speed is better. But like you said wtvr you prefer.

That is true... we had a lot of air filter issues with the case machine - although that could have been due to some shrank plastic ..... the JD has a better designed engine compartment that stays clean ....

@@Blackearthexcavationandtiling I used to work at a CaseIH dealer.... Case dealer to my IH friends :) and the air filter problem was a thing 20 years ago.

Hayden Taylor Cognitive dissonance!

Joe Scheller Red will have it for breakfast.

Claas r over complicated and maintenance whores! Had 2 and regretted every day. Gets clean grain but not worth all the breakdowns. Case or nh for me

Not sure yet .. but that is some data that we will gathering this fall - I will keep you posted

Yeah I'm not sure my mic is working right ... darnit

Hmmm... if I add suspense it builds the ratings ...lol! ...but it will be one of the two you see in this video .. stay tuned and thanks for watching

@@Blackearthexcavationandtiling I am betting the 8240. Smart man

Huh? .... I have no clue what you are stating

I dont like it ... I've been wanting to do a video on one sometime ... I think the case ih is the better of the two - but lot of similarities.....

According to the book you head into the crop, load it with crop (actual combine), pull throttle back and hold brakes at same time..... then it kills the engine.... then you restart it (with separator off) to cool the engine ... I've never done it personally- but they claim it's the best way to set a combine

Yes we did .. dosing pump failures .. luckily cih gives it a 5 year warranty

Yes last year 21 days of DEF problems on my 8240, it’s a 2018, still haven’t got the bugs out

@@normananderson1476 oh boy, that's no good .. frustrating......we had issues with the dosing pump (down 3 days) .. and my neighbor had problems with his 7240 (like 2 weeks down) ... so they must be having some problems their not getting worked out

No power, changed everything, in the software, service guy said its fixed, find out later on beans, pray the damn thing works this year.

I agree ... north america continent pays heavy for this stuff so we can clean air while all the other countries pollute away

I dont know on the rock traps .. I dont follow nh a lot ... but from what I have looked at them the Red machine is the Cadillac- and the Holland is the grade B machine... i was out in grand island by the factory and there was only 4 NH on the lot and about 50 case machines .... the cabs are the same, but the new holland doesnt have as nice of a console .... I'm usa case holds like 80 percent of the sales versus NH - but overseas its flipped .. which is why I think they keep the NH machines around ....... resales much better on a case vs the NH

@@Blackearthexcavationandtiling thanks for in info I never knew that the more you learn thanks my friend

Thanks so much ... and I love talking about iron ..

@@Blackearthexcavationandtiling hey same hear no one were I live does they look at me like I'm nuts because I bought a 72 110 Deere

110 was a heavy, well built lawn tractor ... back in the day I used to collect bolens law tractors, I had the entire fleet ..lol ... even had a sickle mower on one .. my prize posestion was a bolens 1000, which I converted over to a diesel engine ... but later I sold them all and bought that 430 law tractor...if you dig back into my vids you'll see that 430

Oh yeah and thousands of fires😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Lol

That would definitely make a good video

Green ... keep watching the channel and you'll see why

@@Blackearthexcavationandtiling Thanks for the reply. I speak English badly. Was red unreliable? I am from Hungary

There is no difference in capacities... the JD seems to have a little more power... both have pros and cons

Kind of a toss up .... probably a few less break downs with the deere - and by that I mean wear characteristic are better on the JD

Grammer?

The Massey is to be discontinued first .... the fendt (with Massey badges) is taking its spot soon .... .. for our area it's a no go - since there is no dealers anywhere close at all

@@Blackearthexcavationandtiling Ya, that has been one of the main problems with MF and to bad too. It's a good machine just not enough dealers. Also, I was wondering about MF and Fendt being the same for 2020. The Fendt does seem to be a good machine. I'd like to see one run side by side with a JD and IHCase for a season to see how it compares.

@@Blackearthexcavationandtiling Same problem with Gleaner. Such a fall from grace going from number one in the United States in the 1960's and 70's to a small niche market for diehards like myself.

Lot of JD in this area too ... mainly due to better dealers ..not many good case ih dealers around

Its better than than the return grain rotors case ih uses ... case ih uses undersize bearings, and even those rotor cases crack ... the jd system is more complex - but we have had less trouble with it ....

I hate working on any of them ..lol

We run a Gleaner S97, you will love it, great machine.

Not sure what models your comparing

They do have a simple design! .... I tried to keep the video to the two brands I knew - and had experience with .... . But I'm sure like every brand - everyone has some sort of pro and con to it

@@Blackearthexcavationandtiling yeah I know, I just love to poke the red and green guy ;)

@@Nicolasdu5 lol

Overall and on paper yes .. wear wise, no

The JD used a little less fuel over the case ih ... but it was a close draw

I did look at a massey a while back ... if you go back theres a video on it ... but I'm not overly knowledge with agco combines..... and yes, I think my mic has something wrong with it

@@Blackearthexcavationandtiling thx; good series. will find the MF

Right on!!

Lorenzo Applewhite you right about that

jacob mandel sure y’all some suck ups to red Ig having two tractors manufactured together gives y’all a reason to say its better your opinion doesn’t matter caseih looks like machinery from Area 51

No it doesnt

Bullcrap johndeere is way better