Redeeming Lost World's Ragequit Zone 

There's something I really like about how the video is presented . It's serious but sarcastic at the same time , I really love it

The sonic videos that’s you’ve been putting out recently has been top tier. I also love the bits where you do a quick 1 second gag and then immediately transition to the next section.

This was literally my favourite stage when I first played last year. It's nice hearing someone praise it.

Haze you should make a discussion/video essay on Sonic Utopia perhaps :o

Once again, really appreciating the in-depth analysis, humor, timing, presentation and delve into level design knowledge. I'm also wondering if Bickuribox is indeed that wondrous Toon Monster, AKA a Yu-Gi-Oh reference, but only because I happen to know and love those. That said, I do hope that'll you have more hot takes like this one! Keep it up♪

I let my friend try this game after probably years of not playing Sonic, after playing Sonic Generations first, and he didn't rage that much at this level. It's Lava Mountain 1, the boss rush planet, that's where he went nuts and it's all because Sonic's respawning animation and the ground disappearing for the next phase. They aren't in-sync, so he often fell into instant death lava because he wasn't staying still on the spot where Sonic lands after his auto jump. And then he quit the game at Lava Mountain 3 because, when he beat the final Zavok fight, the game still goes on for a bit so Sonic fell into the abyss with Zavok, and he got a game over from beating Zavok while not paying attention to where Sonic should land afterwards. So dumb...

Nice to see you're still kicking and doing more review styled videos on other games. I have yet to play Lost World, it looks pretty fun despite how different it is compared to other Sonic games. But I think we're all used to Sonic changing things up to see how they go by now. Heck, I honestly kinda miss when they did that more because it means that anything was possible. Tho while I haven't played Lost World, from what I have seen it seems to be one of the few Sonic games that emphasizes more on the platforming elements rather than speed. And honestly, I find that interesting and would love it if more Sonic games would try that. Sonic's platforming has never been bad, but there's very few instances of it being challenging or too interesting. At least, in terms of his 3D/2.5D Outings. Of course blasting through a beautifully designed level is awesome, in fact it's one of the reasons I still enjoy games like Generations. But putting more challenge and variety into the platforming is also interesting. You get different themes, different unique challenges, variety in visuals and design. It's honestly refreshing to see Sonic do this approach. Of course people will say he's just copying the Red Plumber, in fact I think that's what some people said at the time this game came out on the WiiU originally, but to me your idea doesn't have to be original, so long as it's executed well. The Plumbers done it before, so why should Sonic be treated any differently? But of course this emphasis on Platforming comes at a cost to the general speed Sonic is known for. Now of course it's not impossible to do, in fact Sonic and other games have done it before. But it's obvious it's more difficult to make interesting platforming challenges around a character moving super fast without making the game either too difficult or too easy because of the speed. But honestly, if the challenge is there, and it's still fun, I'd say it's worth it. I guess what I'm trying to say is, I don't mind Sonic moving a little slower, despite how blasphemous that is to say as a Sonic fan, if it means I get a good platformer out of it. So long as it's fun and feels good to play, it doesn't bother me. This might change depending on if/when I play Lost World. But I would like to see another or more Sonic games take an approach to focus more on Sonic's platforming aspects. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't. You won't know, until you try, right? Another great video dude. Hope to see more like this from you, and maybe more that covers other games or series as well.

I completely agree with basically everything you said. This is one of my favorite levels in Lost World (not a high bar but still).

Lost World is actually one of my guilty pleasures, and it makes me happy to see something about this absolutely strange game.

16:36 All those years ago, the whole stage just clicked for me the exact moment I discovered that the final gate can be cleared without relying on the red rails. The rest of the game is full of moments where it expects the player to play one way and one way only, and punishes the player for not utilizing the gimmicks, but for this one moment, it allows the player to ignore the red rails, and keep going full speed ahead, as long as the player is skillful enough to pull it off. If memory serves me right, the level can be overcome without landing on any red rail once, even. I never leave the green rail in the final section of this level once I land on it, and it feels so rewarding. Doublejumping over the final gate in Lava Mountain Zone 2 is my favorite moment in the game, and is enough to make the level itself my favorite as well. Thank you for making this video.

This colorful, cartoony style is what they should have stuck with. Weird 2D and crappy bosses aside, I really enjoyed Lost World.

I highly recommend the 3DS version of Lost World if you haven't played it. More challenging bosses, much more satisfying physics, a substantialy better implementation of the Wisps, and most importantly, more focused environments and gimmicks. There's also a lot more rail grinding and Silent Forest Act 2 is completely built around it.

It only took me about 15 minutes but boy was it a challenge. I got 5 game overs.

I spent so long on this level having no idea you could even change your jump momentum with left or right, when i randomly noticed that i beat it in a few more tries

5:39 looks like a reversal version of Sonic Adventure: It goes faster the longer you hold on jump or something :o

This was always my favorite Lost World stage, and I was honestly surprised to learn that it was so hated. I was honestly surprised to find out that people considered it so hard to begin with. I found the level challenging for sure but never ragequit worthy, unlike some other levels in Lost World that made me want to die.

This man skill issued and entire community.

I liked playing through the two stages ngl Whenever I got bored, I would just hop on that those lvls or the final boss

Aha! I love the game actually. It's no adventure, but it's better than everything boost. I love the music on that stage. I repeated it over and over until i learned to do it without dying and how beautiful it is.

If ya really wanna rage quit, play the 3ds version. I did. The 3ds version also has a hard mode when you beat the game, and it also has a few notoriously hard and annoying levels like the snowball puzzle level and the asteroid whisp casino level.

Wait, We're NOT talking about the Crisis City missions in Generations? Or Crisis City in general?

this zone is what sonic was SUPPOSED to be. literally the reason why people love green hill zone, it allows you to go fast. now, the series isn't THAT bad, it has lost its' speed and, the whole point of the classic games. sonic games like generations allow you to do what sonic was meant to do.

Same reason I love Sonic Heroes

The chicken or the pit?

Very good video!

Isnt S:LW just Mario Galaxy with Sonic?

I'm really looking forward to a video on sonic unleashed, which i think is very overhated( werehog stage = bad apparently), and personally my favourite out of the 3D games after colours.

Wait is there really a community disdain toward what was probably my favorite level in the whole game? Actually no wait looking through the comments it looks like a lot people are on the same page. Where did this idea even come from?

Ah yes...Super Sonic Galaxy.

Lost world is basically sonic desperately trying to copy mario tbh...

Hold up, you can bounce in this game?!

Part of the reason I don't like Lost World is actually indicated here; the physics change to suit the level design. This is a problem in a game like Sonic, which is about mastering the controls and physics to master levels, because it means I can never fully trust Sonic's abilities. An action that can clear a pit easily on one stage, can just as easily spell out my death over a pit of the exact same size in another stage. It's intended perhaps as a form of scripting to make things easier, but in reality, it prevents me from ever really trusting the game.

I really like your style of videos. Subject’s on point, smooth voice to listen to (nice volume mixing too) and the jokes always hit home. You earned another subscriber!

Really enjoying the sonic videos bro. Been here for a while and like that you’ve dived into these game analysis videos. Keep up the great work

Never saw this as the “rage quit” zone, I always enjoyed Lava Mountain Zone 2, felt like a nice challenge before the last two main zones. The music helps, nice and chill. Does stink that the game has a large gap between Tropical Coast Act 2 and this.

the point about sonic lost world lacking consistency was crucial. i especially liked the example of how the stage is frustrating because of that. Theres something to think about here and consider when making a game. I'm taking that one to the bank with me.

“One of the worst levels in sonic history”. Pal the entirety of mystic haunt zone begs to differ (also I actually like lava mountain 2 as well, thanks to the momentum entirely changing, playing it after going through the rest of the game in a single sitting almost gives you whiplash as the game slingshots you from it’s usual rigidity into a brief moment of fluidity that is amplified by the previous absence of such)

Honestly, after Sonic 06 I think Lost World is EASILY the sonic game with the most potential for a remake of sorts. All of the pieces are there, if you just made the physics more consistent and free across the levels and actually design the levels and worlds around building off of central mechanics instead of scattering them about I think it could actually be a pretty fun time. Maybe refine the parkour system and give it more chances to shine? Even with its largely unsatisfying gameplay and laughably bad plot even for a sonic game Lost World always had some weird charm to me, whether it be my love for geometric design, the fun crossover side modes, or just growing up on the galaxy games, some part of me really wants to love this game, and I hope I'll get the chance someday

Highly Based. This is the Zone I replay the most whenever I revisit Lost World from time to time. Great video. All the points were spot on.

I've never liked instant kill hazards in a game where dying usually isn't instant. It tends to be too arbitrary. You don't die because of how badly you messed up but because of where you messed up. It's why I didn't like the spikes in Sonic 1 & why I didn't like Bloodstained: Curse of the Moon. I don't like messing up once & dying because my mistake sent me flying into a spike/bomb/pit even though I can get hit 25 times on the next try & be fine just because nothing that hit me was an instant kill. This level does look fun though, aside from a few cheap deaths.

It reminds me of that one Sonic Unleashed Level where you have to beat the Eggman Land Act 1 start to finish within the timer. I hated that level. Most of those timed levels just cut a section of the level they’re based in. This one was the whole thing and it’s hard.

I think the only real issue with this stage is that they didn't give you another one just before it mixed in with the regular gameplay loop. I personally never had any issues with this stage but looking back, I can kinda see how it would've been seen as unfair to people just due to it being a pretty sudden curve ball coming off everything else so I think reacclimating the player to it while throwing some cookie crumbs in there on how it all operates in the levels beforehand would've been a good idea.

Sonic Lost World has a lot of good ideas, but it suffers from its quantity rather than its quality. There are too many buttons to use for a Sonic game, and the levels relies on too many gimmicks. The game doesn’t know it wants to be. It has a mix of Mario Galaxy elements but also has a bunch levels with various different feels of controls, some feel sluggish while some actually feel responsive. Sonic Lost World is basically a game, a game with bunch of ideas Sonic Team slapped together without proper polish, which is just overall confusing for the player to get good at the game. But hey at least the music and the grinding stages are pretty good… I guess.

This is the physical manifestation of lost world's issues. Automation, inconsistent controls with so many one note gimmicks, and difficulty that jumps all over the place. This is probably one of its better levels tho. The only other one I liked was the big zavok fight. I replayed it less than two months ago. I don't remember any standout level design except for this, and that sky road level where you get locked into a path that moves itself by touching a single dashpad while looking for red rings. Not even the exploration is fun when it's so restricted and trial and errory.

I found Sonic Lost World imo to be great, and I was fond of it. Wish they improved on the mechanics like the running since that was a huge issue, along with some other things.

I have always had a soft spot for this game, and the grinding levels are the ones that stayed with me. Thanks for pointing out some things I could never verbalise

Wow, this was an excellent analysis. I own Lost World on steam but so far have only played the 3DS version. I've actually played a LOT of the 3DS version, and have done a lot of speedruns for Any% and ILs. It's absolutely wild how different this version of the game is, I think this video has inspired me to give it a fair shot.

I feel this stage would have been much easier if it had actual rail switching controls like in generations and colours

just recently beat lost world for the first time and surprisingly this was also like the only level i overwhelmingly loved. i feel like everything here came together perfectly and its just so endlessly fun and charming.

Genuinely chuckled at your "it's a tuesday" joke lul

Even if I never played Sonic Lost World, I'd personally like another Grinding Stage in Sonic Frontiers. Though, I think the only way Izuka-san will allow that is if Kishimoto-san can find a way to port Parkour from Sonic Lost World into Frontiers.

When I saw the title and what game this was, I was like "Oh it's the bomb cart level"

Honestly, I hope SEGA eventually comes back to refine the Lost World style. There’s some real potential here.

Sonic lost world is that game that just throws shit it you, sometimes i dont understand wtf is going on💀

The game 'exists'.

Would not mind seeing more games covered in this style. But if we're still on the subject of Sonic. Since you covered one impressive Fan Game, how about another. Sonic Robo Blast 2, a Sonic fan game was in the works since 1998 (I believe) and has come out to critical acclaim. It was made from the ground up in the Doom Engine of all things and has you controlling a 2d Sprite Based Sonic in a big 3D environment. I've tried to play it a couple times, but it's how Sonic controls that that throws me off. But I still think it's an impressive-looking and interesting game that I would love to see a critical mind like yours cover. If anything, just to see your reaction to the game, its impressive modding community, and the fan-made Kart Game. Oh, you bet your ass that's a thing! Someone took SRB2, a 3D Platformer made in the doom engine, and turned it into a Mario Kart clone themed around Sonic. With said clone ALSO having its own set of fan mods and content! Needless to say, it's worth a look. Thank you again for another great video and hope to see more in the future.

I love the style of these essays! Super chill and the jokes always hit

I really like these kinds of videos. Like you understand what you like and don't like and know how to express it. So much more compared to shallow "good" or "bad" or sometimes even downright nonsense that is just everywhere among fandoms. And actually very polite about it.

Great video. Your editing is really good. And you commentary is on point. Had me invested the whole video👍

Im really glad you've found a video style that not only gets good views, but you are also comfortable with and enjoy talking about. You deserve it 100%

I cannot stress enough how much I enjoyed both the Sea Bottom Segue levels. I had a blast just slicing the minecarts as I glided to glory.

I quite enjoy this ne w style of content you've been swaying towards recently. Definitely keep it up, gives a nice break from the realm content

My only 3d sonic game was sonic colors so I guess I might be out of the loop but what's up with wisps? I thought they were a pretty cool mechanic in colors, what happened?

Best not forget the ROTMG community :)

While I do agree with this video I can't get over the sluggish and slow movement in the rest of the game combined with cheap deaths. I can't bring myself to like or even finish this game even though I did finish the N3DS version which is much different in levels and somehow I feel like Sonic is more controllable.

Ngl this game had SOOOOO MUCH POTENTIAL

Whenever I see this game, the first thing I think is Super Mario Galaxy. I just don't like this game, it's too Mario-ish.

This video caught my attention hardcore. I don't remember this game at all, I played it once when it came out, but watching this level in motion with explanations on how it succeeds has impressed me enough to wanna replay it again, and see how I find it since I like other games like this level too. Honestly the game looks a lot better than I remember, mainly technically. I think I could actually come away finding this game kinda underrated, even if not still *that* good.

I've never played Lost world but just watching the gameplay I just felt the raw and challenging, though not entirely flawless energy of the level. Though I agree the placement of the levels sould've been more closer to each other rather than an entire, what six worlds away? To ensure that the players were more ready for whats to come instead of forgetting the entire premise. This is the first video I've watched on your channel and I gotta say, I mean how could I not? I love it! Your way of implementing constructive criticism and comedy together is flawless and it genuinely made me laugh. Definitely gonna watch more from you!

My man Bickuribox becoming a sonictuber!

This was a dope video and a really good breakdown of level design basics and fundamentals!

I'm glad I'm not the only who really enjoyed this level. I completely understood where all the criticisms come from, but it still felt really fun to play this, and I couldn't figure out why. For a while I just thought I was crazy.

To be honest, I found sky road act 4 WAY WORSE than lava mountain act 2. If there’s any zone I hate in Lost World, it’s that stage.

Loving the variety content, keep it up!

Im very surprised they even messed up lost world at all, i think they had some solid ideas, the direction seemed reasonable for the level designs but all these weird missteps mentioned in this video and others have mentioned boggle my mind, wasnt this game developed with in house nintendo devs? How did no one playtest this and think "HMM... this stinks a little.." lol

This was actually a top 3 level for me too and extremely fun with its need for quick reactions

When you watch a video, find out what it’s about and promise yourself you’re not gonna finish it, and then the video is so good that when it ends you want more

Dude I could listen to you talk about your breakfast. Your delivery, jokes, content, and very well thought out explanations of your points make ur vids impossible to skip. I'm not even the biggest sonic fan but I'm always excited to see ur uploads or ur takes on project 06. Keep it up !

i finally beat this level getting all the red rings and i realized sometimes ya just gotta take a hit so you can make that perfect jump over the awful bomb carts. lord god what a difficult level how would a child even beat this

heavy skill issue, lost world has bullshit, but you're just bad at the game, i never raged quit especially on a easy level like this.

The problem is these levels just don't belong in this game. The only thing its got in common with the rest of the game is "Its Sonic" and that it still feels like shovelware. Ironically, these levels would have been better with the physics of the rest of the game, you go way too fast and not enough jump height. Those bomb cart hitboxes are deceptive and it hard to react to such an unfair obstacle when you're constantly being pushed and prodded.

I wish I had the actual version, I got the 3DS version. It’s good cause it’s portable, but it was to hard for me compared to the original version. I got to play the Wii U lost world thanks to my neighbors.

This level (and perhaps the entire game) looks like it solves the key issues I've had with Sonic! I never liked not being able to see where I was going, or going so fast I could do nothing about it. Sega Genesis and Dreamcast were like this. I felt penalized for going fast. But this...this looks like you not only get enough vision of what's in front of you, but that it allows you to go fast in a way that still feels like you can control it. Sounds like it wasn't done great, but as someone who doesn't understand the hype behind this franchise...this seems very appealing!

I thought lost world was meh, biggest problem were the 2d segments, was so bland and boring, and then of course they were experimenting with so many playstyles

In defense of the run button, it makes sense when considering the parkour mechanic which was the main focus in the game and Lost World focused more on precision platforming/exploration than any other Sonic game. Without it, it wouldn't really work if Sonic ran automatically when holding the direction button alone like normal due to Sonic running up walls being heavily focused in the level design. It functions like a sprint mechanic, similar to how Nintendo did with Skyward Sword and Breath of the Wild which works best in a slower paced methodical game.

I literally beat this thing on my second try (got crushed by a wall at the end) I think people are just bad (I don’t like Lost World tho I actually kinda despise it)

man talks about grinding for 20 minutes ;)

Does anyone else agree that Sonic Lost World is pretty much a Super Mario Galaxy rip off??? 🤔🤔🤔

Not the worst sonic game ever but I still really don’t like this game & dlc levels are only thing is good about this game Also lava act 2 shouldn’t been a water rail level, I hate this & why I didn’t give a shit I didn’t beat this game

Well it's good that I was too poor to get a Wii U, you don't have to deal with this on the 3DS Version

This game is entirely meh to me. Somehow, you have enticed me to play it. I still hate the story and the dialogue.

While I do love the wisps (childhood connection to them) I do like that there are none in this section

Just dropping by to say I love your voice, ever thought of bring a VA?

This video is the literal example of "It's a skill issue."

THANK YOU! I thought I was completely alone with this opinion. That level is so fun and satisfying! It’s pretty much the only level I replay from the game.

Dis game is like a B tier for me 10/10 stage and we can atleast admit dat the ost is good :/

I see people dying to this and I can only think "Wow, no one played the wii donkey kong minecart levels"

Honestly what makes your videos really entertaining is the editing and your awesome soothing voice idk why it’s like asmr 😂

Midnighowl and desert ruins zone 1 G.O.A.T.E.D

MY REVIEW OF LOST WORLD: I think it’s neat