Its so funny because these men will try their hardest to look super manly but meanwhile will be super insecure about their sexuality that anything remotely involving two gay men is enough to make them feel unconfortable
As a straight guy that does pretty well sexually, I find it very fascinating how destiny could go from having sex with Melina to a guy. Your comment isn't the gotcha you think it is
@@oldmanwilikers1252 that would be fine but they are not just curious. They literally said it is immoral and disgusting to be gay. They are actively against it and uncomfortable even talking about it...kinda ironic "red pillers" are afraid and insecure about it
Agreed. They're so performative (1:47). It's like they're virtue signalling to their audience: "I, as a straight man, are appaled by gay people. Yuck!" It just gives off huge closeted vibes.
@@theobell2002 I just think if you’re so disgusted by homosexuality, why bring it up in the first place, let alone dig into the nuances of it? I mean, if someone said they were grossed out by pedophiles, then proceeded to ask a pedophile numerous questions about the acts, I’d be slightly concerned about the one asking all the detailed questions…but I agree, it seemed too performative, trying to lower destiny down. Notice how they also didn’t have any logical answers to the questions Destiny had.
Honestly choosing to wear sunglasses indoors says a lot more about your character than being bisexual Edit: please stop replying to this comment because you like sunglasses and are in your feelings. It actually doesn’t really matter that you like them; that’s the point.
@@thelogicalcaveman9139 because I try to be in and out of places quickly and it keeps people from approaching me for some random conversation or try to sell me something I don't want. It kind of signals "I'm in a hurry, leave me alone.". I also just like sunglasses.
@@MrGFloyd Destiny has a personal vow in which he will talk with anyone who wishes to talk to him - so long as they both have access to the uncut video of the convo. He makes money at the end of the day through content.
@@John.T. i get that but at a certain point he gets 0 benefit from going on a podcast that gets 10k views. It literally only benefits the owners of the podcast. Him vowing to talk to anyone does not mean he will go to any homeless person with a microphone and sit down for 2 hours
As cliche as the overcompensating homophobe trope is... the whole performative "I've never been attracted to a man, I'm disgusted by men!" always throws up that red flag to me.
It's hilarious how they all have this hardline position on it, but then ask questions trying to figure it out, but they just cannot fathom anything else than their own preferences manifesting in other people.
Well, I didnt hear too many big words coming from the homophobic guys, I dont think they got much more of a developed worldview or vocab since that point.
Yeah, no confident straight person would say some bullshit like that. It's just like, yeah I'm straight, nothing more to it. All the extra "I'm absolutely 100% straight never even thought about men, it disgusts me actually" makes it sound like they're trying to convince themselves
Anyone who feels a need to accuse bisexual men of faking liking women are probably bisexual themselves and have an internalized hatred for their own attraction to men
I don't like this dumb logic train from people like you who think: "People that find gay stuff disgusting actually secretly like it but are insecure" I am disgusted by men having sex since i don't like men, i am disgusted by Furries having sex since i don't like Furries, I'm disgusted by scat since that sh*t it disgusting, I'm disgusted by incest too That i'm disgusted by these things does not mean that i secretly want to do these things, that's the most dumb projecting logic ever.
The Satanic thing was golden. That dude would be gay as spring time, but for the grace of God. I mean if that’s what you need to “protect” you from homosexual or bi stuff, I think you got bigger problems.
dude yeah just like sneako who cant comprehended why people like destiny love making gay jokes and insult on him and people like fuentes (who obviously closeted gay)
They completely miss the point Destiny is making. Gay people are ONLY sexually attracted to the same sex, while bi people are sexually attracted to both. Destiny sleeps with both, which then makes him Bi. In response they call him closeted gay, which translates to, that he actually only enjoys sleeping with men. But the problem with that is, he also sleeps with mostly women, so under the pretence that Destiny is actually gay, meaning he only likes dudes, the massive question is then; why does he sleep with women then? And Destiny asks them this, and they can't comprehend this simple logic train.
The claim would then be "he's faking the sex with women" cause they probably think all gay men are closeted. But that wouldn't make sense in Destiny's case either, since he clearly doesn't give a fuck what other people think and would just be openly gay. Nah man, these people are braindead.
You're getting a little abstract and philosophical about this; it doesn't have to be so complicated. It's simple: _Ewww, gross._ Ergo ipso, semper proxy, bis are gay.
@@coreyander286 Yeah i think them calling him gay is just a proxy for the word gross But what i was trying to illustrate in my comment was that the logic train of what these words actually mean, which is something Destiny tried to make them contend with, is something that just goes completely over their heads. As to them gay just means gross and that's it, and since bi and gay are both gross, aren't they the same? Seems to be the sum of their logic
@@thevipez8740 you're correct. The fact that we still question preferences in 2023 is sad; they're preferences, there's nothing weird or mysterious about it. Different people have different sexual tastes, that's all.
@@roshansbff4262idk. I think most people aren’t like this, but there for sure are a good few per graduating high school class in this mentality. I don’t think it’s a big portion, we just get to see them online due to red pill content getting bigger and more only fans models being available to come on these podcasts.
It’s so funny how Destiny winds up being the realest man at the table, because he doesn’t let stigmas, religions, or anyone’s opinion tell him how to live his life. Both Steven and Alex are showing a legit type of masculinity that’s honest, more interesting, and doesn’t come off as begging for validation.
If you watch the whole thing, the guy with glasses on the left has a seriously hard time reading the words from comments that come in. I do feel bad for him actually. One thing I did notice here is that these guys do have their emotions in check, which was kind of surprising actually. They didn’t get angry upset when they were confronted. Not what you would typically expect from super insecure men of their age.
@@Zinojn I get that but still their engagement with the topic is absolutely brain dead. When he asks them multiple times about if bi men are faking liking girls or liking guys and they can’t even comprehend enough to get out a sensible answer, just to come back with “ it’s some devil shit”. Like come on do you really have such minimal critical thinking you can’t think deeper about why you believe the things you believe?
It's completely normal to be disgusted by it tho, incest, scat, furry sh*t, all of these are sexual preferences to some people, and others a lot of time WILL find it disgusting. Deal with it
@@thevipez8740dawg if you’re genuinely disgusted by the thought of a guy fuckin another guy then you should 100% feel the same way about a guy fucking a woman. That’s not normal. Specially when you try to compare being gay (which is a sexuality not a fetish/kink) to someone rubbing shit on themselves, fucking their sibling, or putting on a cat suit (I would go as far as to argue that furries are not in the same bracket as incest, same with skat)
yup he always is good with destiny on these panels and is good at being a bridge between the wild shit the hosts/guests say and the more sane logical views that alex holds. also to his credit he will always be honest and even thoughtful about how he answers questions, especially when it was clear the hosts were just looking for alex to agree and be like "eww gross fam yeah hes gay" alex was basically just like "yeah he fucks women and men so hes bi, pretty simple case"
Ya I’ve always liked Alex, I don’t agree with him on a lot of things, but he seems like a really solid person. He also seems super willing to learn and change his mind, which is super respectable.
Destiny is so calm and collected. Props to him. He had every opportunity to call them out of the closet, but he knows how much it bleeds through to the audience. Love this dude tbh
Yup! When you know who you are and comfortable in your own skin, nobody can get you out of character about something that you see nothing wrong with. Those dudes are clowns.
Let me just point out the elephant in the room that nobody wanted to say that dude sitting there with a jacket with his chest showing it's so far in the closet it's comical he's literally the gayest looking man at the table
@@jeremiahferguson-sc5rq Who is this ghost in the room that said that destiny is not gay? If we were to trust he's own accounting of sexual experience he would be bisexual, but also to say that he is entirely gay is just intentional generalizing. He has sex with mostly women with the occasional guy, if you think that is enough to disqualify a person entire experience with woman, than your welcome to admit it.
@@fonblOI it's cool man. I'm 34years old I'm not about to go back in forth about if fucking men is gay or not. It's plenty of openly gay men who sleep with women but still Identify as gay.
LMAO i actually just had a conversation with a couple coworkers(straight men) today about what is and isn't gay and what it means to be gay and it was single handedly one of the most brain dead discussions i've ever had. they legit brought up the "reproduction" argument and i countered with the classic "what if a woman is infertile" and they tripped over themselves like toddlers that don't know how to tie their shoes. they started talking about the animal kingdom and shit like how penguins and geese mate for life as of humans can be compared to a fuckin penguin in the slightest. i truly lost a lot of faith in humanity. it's almost as if they couldn't engage with my arguments at all and just kept reverting to "gay is icky keep it away from me before i catch it."
lmao, very few animals mate for life, most of them are just out there slinging. I had a similar conversation a couple months ago with someone who said the ultimate purpose of sex is for reproduction, so homosexual sex defeats the purpose. I replied: "So you're telling me, the only reason you ever have sex is to try and have a child?" He paused, people laughed, he got the point.
@@sigigle when i said that one of them said "no, but every time i have sex i'm well aware that a child could come from it." and i was just like.... okay well what the fuck does that have to do with anything
Most people are horrible at debating anything, and will revert back to blocked mindsets or random conspiracy theories when their arguments fly out the window. It's sad but true.
I can’t believe how comparatively intelligent Discount Fresh and Fit makes actual Fresh and Fit look. I’m half expecting Fresh himself to come in quoting Shakespeare as he single-handedly cured cancer, discovers room temperature super conductors, and solves Israel-Palestine.
The panelists are holding a stereotypical archetype of what a man "should be" in their heads and when Destiny challenges that archetype to show the grey area in their black and white worlds, their software starts to malfunction.
I will never understand this about most RP content creators, especially the lot on this video. Destiny: - Makes a lot of money. More than the majority of people on the planet. - Bangs a lot of broads. - Has confidence in himself to live his life the way he wants, opinions be damned. - Leads a community. - Is successfully married. Shouldn't these traits should make him someone these people should respect? Even if you lean towards a more conservative mindset, which I personally do, the guy gives honest and open feedback about topics and shows his work. He stands by his convictions. Even if you disagree with his lifestyle, he doesn't push it on anyone. He encourages people to go for what they want and be safe and smart about it. This is why I can't support people like Rollo and whoever else is up there on that panel. They'd rather focus on attacking someone's lifestyle, then trying to put in the work to make sure their ideology and advice makes sense and that it's actually helping people when they turn off their computers. In my opinion, you should want to talk to people like Destiny because the man will research the information you put out and see if it holds up to scrutiny. Helps keep your information honest.
Basically all his success and character traits are "corrupted" in their mind, by Destiny being 1. in an open relationship, so basically marriage doesnt even count 2. being bisexual those 2 things make all of Destinys accomplishments null and void for redpillers
I think all the stuff you said is right, and yeah you WOULD want someone like Destiny to give input into most things, so long as he is well informed of course lol. What's funny is that RP content creators will say "A man needs to be all these things", and when someone like Destiny comes around and meets all those conditions, he turns out to be a much different person than they expected, and it reveals that RP content creators don't actually think that's all there is to being a man or whatever. It's actually a bunch of other underlying things they don't wanna mention. It could be an ego thing, where they are the RP creators being led by a left leaning dude, which could give people the impression that RP isn't the best way to go.
Precisely. Destiny realized this very recently and changed his view on deplatfirming. He now realizes he can actually debate these people so the extreme and ludicrous aspects of their arguments taper out cause they can fail with light scrutiny. A great symbiotic balance of natural open idea exchange.
they are jealous of him because despite DOING ALL OF WHAT you listed, hes "ugly", he doesnt have to work out, he doesnt have to fly girls out to have sex, hes not a retarded red piller, hes actually successful. they hate ppl like destiny because THEY had to do all the gym shit and looksmaxing etc. he found a loophole basically and it threatens their idea of themselves and them being a man
"Sometimes i eat italian food." "Ok we're gonna go around the table and ask if he eats anything besides italian food." It's incredible, really. I never thought the collective IQ of an entire room full of people could be negative.
I love how much Destiny’s bisexuality freaks out insecure dudes. I think it scares them that a man that they perceive as straight sometimes has sex with dudes. It would bother them less if Destiny was like flamboyantly gay.
"Is a man who is bi actually gay?" Translated: "If a man is sexually attracted to men and women, does that mean they're only sexually attracted to men and not women?" Bi-erasure is one of the dumbest things I've ever had the misfortune of being exposed to.
The constant posturing trying to project to everyone how straight you are is telltale sign and the guy with the hoodie is beaming with insecurity about his sexuality.
It’s so funny (sad? disturbing?) that some people don’t believe bi people exist. Also, when I think about the intersection between morality and sex, it’s never about if it’s two guys or two girls or an open vs closed relationship. People like this existing is wild and it reminds me that the world is a lot more fucked up than what I experience on a daily basis.
Goddamn Destiny I admire your patience here and you are genuinely trying to understand them. It's beyond me how you don't just obliterate them in 20 seconds.
I'm so bored of hearing people get hung up on sexuality or how many women they've f**ked. I used to think it gross but its actually just depressing that this is the height for some people rather than something more fulfiling through connection.
Imagine saying "the world is pretty black and white" without the slightest hint of irony. Really shows you the caliber of people who show up to these podcasts
It’s like they have the automatic NPC response, and then when he asked a single clarifying question they had absolutely no idea what the fuck was going on.
Why do so many of you in this comment section call them insecure? Do you actually think these guys secretly want to have sex with men but are just too afraid to say it openly? This is the most projecting dumb logic ever Are you disgusted by CP? If you say that, by your logic, you actually secretly enjoy it and are just "insecure"
@@thevipez8740 Gotta love how you compare consensual sex with something that cannot by definition consent. But hey, you bringing up CP now makes me want the FBI to see your search history.
@@thevipez8740 says the dude who assume im talking about having sex with guys,... its not the only topic of the generic and dead redpiller podcast 🤣. Like I thought ... insecurities
@@mikoi7472 Consent has nothing to do with whether you fundamentally and generally like something??? If i like A girl, i can have the idea in my head that i would like to have sex with that girl, without her ever having given me spoken consent, i can still have the idea in my head that physically i would enjoy having sex with this girl. Of course when it comes to the implementation of that idea, talking and consent has to be involved, but just simply knowing that you would physically enjoy having sex with a girl, has nothing to do with whether she has given her consent or not. As you can already know in your head that you would enjoy it. Not only that, but this has nothing to do with my argument, i explained why the logic was dumb, going to give a counter argument?
@@thevipez8740The insecurity being pointed out here isn’t to suggest that they’re all secretly gay. They’re just going out of their way to convince everyone they’re not. The insecurity is that they’re afraid of being PERCEIVED as anything less than 100% heterosexual, so they’re overcompensating. The CP analogy doesn’t apply. The vast majority of people are disgusted by it because of consent/morality issues.
“the world is very black and white so you’re either gay or you’re not” man it’s been awhile since i heard something that stupid come out of a grown adult’s mouth, oh my lord almighty
@@RedrumZombies like come tf on how can they be soooo ignorant and unempathetic that someone could possibly find both attractive. looking forward to seeing this mindset get purged little by little with every generation when they realize most ppl aren’t a 0 or 7 on the kinsey scale lol
Maybe it's just terminally online weirdos but why do so many of these people confidently state, "bi = gay" as if they're just equating two things that aren't the same? They're just wrong, definitionally. And I don't know how sexuality is a "moral" issue. If all parties are consenting adults, there's no rationality behind considering it immoral at all, it's almost like they think their level of disgust and aversion rises to the level of reaching immorality.
Mad props to Destiny for talking yesterday about how to solve a complicated conflict in the middle east that might pull nations into a World War, to today having discussion to Jersey boys in 2004 MTVTRL studio about why any other sex than straight is "icky"
It's fine to have a moral stance on the issue and say you think it's immoral to have sex out of traditional wedlock. But to say you can't imagine someone to develop a sexual attraction towards someone of the same gender is just insane to me.
It always amazes me when this subject comes up, because it’s a question that has been scientifically answered. There have been studies done where they measured the erectile behavior of men who identify as bi, and sure enough, they react to both genders.
I know right? That last dude talking about destiny realizing he was Bi was disgusting was just straight up parroting gay indoctrination talking points. I literally lol’d when destiny said, “I don’t want to say it’s homophobia,” like okay… then I will. That’s just straight up, old school, classic homophobia. They were just being homophobic to Destiny lol.
I'm surprised they're even "debating" over this. If you are sexually attracted to both men and women, you ARE bi, It doesn't matter what someone THINKS you are.
Bisexuality in women is hella common and most people don't mind it, but if the genre is switched then it is assumed he must be closeted, makes no sense
Imo it’s because men aren’t as attractive as women. It’s takes a lot for a man to find another man attractive, than it takes for a woman to find another woman attractive. Females are more aesthetically pleasing due to evolution
Guy in the middle sounds heavy closeted, the eye darting while saying and going hard on the "im disgusted by it" Also I dont get what they think they proved with asking if anyone ever had thoughts of gaynosity "theres a big stigma around it so many men would never admit to it" Asks men knowing even if they were theyd say no men "no"
I just don't understand what they think someone who openly likes having sex with both men and women are hiding? I mean, if they are openly admitting to enjoying and actively have sex with both men and women, I think it's safe to assume that the like doing both? I don't understand how it's difficult to grasp? Are these guys just the final remnants of guys who are so terrified of being even tangentially considered gay they lack the ability to comprehend people who could possibly enjoy what they enjoy while also enjoying the thing they are so revolted by, that they have to dismiss it as impossible as some sort of defense mechanism just to be SURE that they couldn't even be remotely tied to it somehow lol? Hahahahaha watching them being completely brain broken by the most basic questions and reasoning around this and floundering around for some kind of cope is the funniest shit I've seen in a hot minute.
On next weeks episode of we are too unimaginative to come up with our own type of content and cookie cut the meta, "Are mixed people real? or are they just black or white?" 😂😂
