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Reduce Kayak Noise - Soundproof your kayak floor 

Kayak Hacks Fishing
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@straightuptackle6623
@straightuptackle6623 3 года назад
Just wanted to let you know that since I’ve started kayak fishing, every mod I have done or mod idea I have had, you have already done a video. You’ve saved me money for sure and given me great ideas! Keep grinding sir, you the man!
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 3 года назад
That is awesome!
@myadventureoutdoors
@myadventureoutdoors 7 лет назад
That was a great hack. Due to my superior brain I knew at the beginning those mats were heavy and it didn't take you long to verify. The install looks great and now you are more stealth.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
One can only wish for similar brainpower! Many "hacks" never make it to video :-)
@deeclineful
@deeclineful 4 года назад
I've been yoga matting my Ascend, 5mm mats, the adhesive would not dry! 3 mm works just fine! If you want to make templates, I would recommend Walmart paper lawn bags 2-ply 16"L x 12"W x 35"H 5/$1.97 like 70x 32" when you open them up! took one bag to do my fs120 You are one of my Go-to Guys on youtube, Steve, thanks!
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 4 года назад
Thanks for the tip on the bags!
@redroofretriever
@redroofretriever 7 лет назад
Great video. I did a similar hack for my dog when she is in the kayak behind me. I used a ground mat that is about 1/2" thick, used for camping, sleeping on ground. Bought at Gander Mtn. online in a roll. Mine was for 2 reasons, an insulator from cold bottom for her when wet, and to dampen sound of her movement. I did not glue mine in, as it lays well as a rug would. Removable for cleaning and transport. The mat is camo also. Thanks for showing your success and fail, not everyone will do that.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
Another great suggestion! thanks!
@buckshot0203
@buckshot0203 6 лет назад
Just in reading the first two lines I can’t get the image of a dog with a yoga mat glued to it out of my brain now lol
@adanvjr
@adanvjr 7 лет назад
I've been wanting to do this for a while. 1. For cushioning when I'm standing. I think it'll increase my stability. 2. Sound dampener, as you informed. 3. Parts of the deck on my kayak (1st Version Ascend FS128T) are actually lower than the scupper holes, so not all the water drains. This can help even out the deck.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
So far so good!
@matthew2000tx
@matthew2000tx 3 года назад
I just started kayaking not really into fishing... I just haven't done it much. But I wanted to say I LOVE your enthusiasm you bring to your videos!
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 3 года назад
I really appreciate that! I'll work even harder!
@jimking2299
@jimking2299 5 лет назад
My yak has a nice, flat floor, so I'll just cut a yoga mat to fit and lay it down without adhesives, and without cutting around the scupper holes. I can just pull it out to let the boat drain, shake off any loose dirt, or hose it down if need be. Keep the good ideas coming, Steve.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 5 лет назад
That would work. I did not try mine without adhesive.
@grunter1389
@grunter1389 7 лет назад
Good work Steve . I've tried some alternatives also . Including bath /shower mat with suction cup underneath . Easy to remove and clean
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
Bath mat! Great idea!
@justincann0407
@justincann0407 7 лет назад
I did a diy sea-deck too, but I used the harbor freight anti-fatigue foam mat and 100% rubber cement. I like your idea too.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
Good idea!
@WanderingWonderer10
@WanderingWonderer10 7 лет назад
Justin Cann How well has that held up? I am considering that same technique
@dev-tv_outdoors
@dev-tv_outdoors 6 лет назад
Luckily for me my SeaDek was already installed on my used kayak. But a couple of years ago I installed mats for a friend on his kayak. We did something similar to your project, except we used those mats women use in kitchen drawers. They have small holes in them but are surprisingly silent. They come in a pretty big roll (different lengths too) and with a pattern, you can cut them into any shape. The big bonus is they come in dozens of colors and patterns in most stores. Why don't I film these things?!
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 6 лет назад
You should! And thanks for the tip on an alternative material!
@darylwchan
@darylwchan 5 лет назад
Thanks Kayak Hacks Fishing! You rock!! Love your videos.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 5 лет назад
I really appreciate that! I'll work even harder!
@tysenp8193
@tysenp8193 3 года назад
In the coast guard we have these big non-skid stickers we have to put on all of the walking surfaces, and replace them whenever they get scraped up. We put the stickers on, and then seal the edge with “aquaseal”. 3m makes an equivalent marine grade adhesive edge sealant, but i’d imagine most epoxies or maybe even “shoe goop” could work. . The way we do it, you put the sealant around the edges, on top of the sticker so it covers the edge of the sticker, and over onto the boat surface. This makes a water and airtight seal around the edge, keeping it from pulling up.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 3 года назад
Great idea! Thanks
@doctorkayak
@doctorkayak Год назад
Are traction stickers going to deaden sound?
@tysenp8193
@tysenp8193 Год назад
@@doctorkayak Not at all. However the marine “edge-seal” or “goop” could be used for other methods to keep the edges from peeling away for longer
@hiwaytahell
@hiwaytahell 4 года назад
Brother...get yourself a couple of saw horses. You knees, and back will like you better. Good video.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 4 года назад
lol. When I work on the kayak to repair it, I do put it up. I should have done that here as well!
@coburnlowman
@coburnlowman 6 лет назад
That matt with the design looks very factory luxury edition. Meaning it doesn't look like a chopped up matt but a professional looking job👍
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 6 лет назад
Heath Holland did a great job at detailed customization on his kayak in the pictures I included at the end of the video. Mine was pretty easy!
@mattc2868
@mattc2868 6 лет назад
Kayak Hacks Fishing Nice video, another solution I found useful was the thin plastic roll you use in your kitchen cutlery draws/ plate cupboards. Very flexible, light weight and easy to shape.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 6 лет назад
Thanks for that tip! Heath and I struggled to find a material that would work. Glad for another option!
@mainetroutwhisperer
@mainetroutwhisperer 7 лет назад
I did this with my canoe. Used contact cement and yoga mats for kneeling. Good for white water canoeing
@fredfable5655
@fredfable5655 7 лет назад
And you do Yoga now? or you still fishing?...LOL.
@mainetroutwhisperer
@mainetroutwhisperer 7 лет назад
Never tried yoga. Fishing is how I relax :)
@fredfable5655
@fredfable5655 7 лет назад
yeah, I saw it (By the way your kayak is amazing!! congrats!)
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
Good to get another confirm on the contact cement - thanks!
@jimhamel7864
@jimhamel7864 7 лет назад
I'm new to kayak fishing but here is something else to try. I found a roll of sound proofing Insulation Deadener Mat 40"x24" on Amazon. It says it's waterproof and has an adhesive backing that sticks very well to my kayak so no messing around with glues and tapes. 1 roll was around $10. Hope this helps!
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
Thanks - I think I found it (amzn.to/2pXyDeA). It looks like it would work!
@FrankLadd
@FrankLadd Год назад
I have not use the loctite adhesive but I've had great results with 3 M super 77 adhesive and with contact cement. Surface prep is important so I wipe things with alcohol and then use my torch to give the surface a light flaming.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing Год назад
I really appreciate the endorsement of another adhesive. It is hard to find things that will stick to HDPE. Thanks
@Eric-gi9kg
@Eric-gi9kg 5 лет назад
To quiet my "junk drawer" under my seat on my Bonafide...I used a thin piece of rubber mat and cemented it with 3M Contact Spray. It's contact cement in spray form. I sprayed both the drawer and the mat...waited for it to dry, and attached the mat. I've been in fresh and salt water several times. There has bin NO issues. One thing I did before I applied anything was to scuff it lightly with a 3M pad...then cleaned the area thoroughly with rubbing alcohol .
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 5 лет назад
Great suggestion and I like the rubbing alcohol idea as well to make things stick.
@Alexmqouthere
@Alexmqouthere 5 лет назад
forgot the noise test.... any way very good idea .. I wasn't the only one thinking on this one... thank you for the tip
@sufferedenuf
@sufferedenuf 4 года назад
This is great info! I built a 6ft plywood boat And also have a kayak. I think both with get this treatment!
@skubadoobie
@skubadoobie 6 лет назад
Was thinking of doing this exact thing with the yoga mat, glad to see it works before hand.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 6 лет назад
As you can see from my update video, it lasted all season and is still going strong!
@hobiebassassassin9136
@hobiebassassassin9136 4 года назад
Great Idea, especially when the foam pad for my 2020 Hobie 360 cost over $500 dollars. I would however recommend your viewers to use tape and mask out a template for each section of their kayak.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 4 года назад
Good point!
@kodapierce8807
@kodapierce8807 6 лет назад
I'd say it's good for the integrity of any bonding agent to lightly take off the gloss finish on your kayak. When you apply like cement Bondo it sticks better to the rough scratchy surface. :) as apposed to the slick gloss finish.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 6 лет назад
I agree that light sanding might help. You still have the issue of getting things to stick to HDPE. Jackson Kayak just told me that they use a product called Gflex. Pretty pricey.
@motoman3290
@motoman3290 7 лет назад
Nice job as usual 👍🏻 I did something similar on my Hobie PA 12 but I used 3mm neoprene camo waders that I collected from people that had upgraded do to leaking. Just thought I would pass it along.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
Great idea! Thanks!
@darylwchan
@darylwchan 5 лет назад
It's been almost a couple of years since you posted this. My question is how did the 300 Level adhesive work? Do you think that it worked well enough so that the contact cement isn't necessary for the edges? Thanks, I love your videos!
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 5 лет назад
Appreciate your kind words! I posted an update at the end of season - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5ERya-trw74.html The 300 level worked fine. The contact cement peeled back a bit in places. I should have really put more 300 down right to the edges.
@andrewsmith941
@andrewsmith941 4 года назад
I like you because you are all about saving money.
@hmholland71
@hmholland71 7 лет назад
Great video, Steve! (I may be a little biased). Turned out great
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
Thank you for letting me use those pictures and for finding the Yoga Mat! Contact cement is working great and I did not end up using that much. Less than 1 bottle!
@hmholland71
@hmholland71 7 лет назад
I'm honored! Hope to get down that way this summer. Maybe we can take the yaks out?
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
Let me know!
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
Send me a note when you have a date. We can check the tide and wind - those drive where we would go and if we could go respectively.
@internetslob
@internetslob 7 лет назад
I know what I am doing this weekend,,,,GREAT hack
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
Thank Heath for the Yoga Mat idea!
@BloodSweatnBass
@BloodSweatnBass 7 лет назад
internetslob what's the link to Heaths channel
@internetslob
@internetslob 7 лет назад
@Kayak Hacks Fishing,,,,a good question
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
ru-vid.com/show-UCAONQ1RaDCxLBu2q5xGGyMQ
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
ru-vid.com/show-UCAONQ1RaDCxLBu2q5xGGyMQ
@docbailey3265
@docbailey3265 6 лет назад
All that and Karmic rehabilitation too!
@SHInvesting
@SHInvesting 7 лет назад
Good idea ill have to look into that. Good video thanks
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
My pleasure!
@davidhefner5668
@davidhefner5668 6 лет назад
Exterior carpet adhesive will work....for cleanup use mineral spirits.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 6 лет назад
Thanks! It is so hard to find stuff that will stick to HDPE
@benjiereeves4919
@benjiereeves4919 6 лет назад
Genius!!! Cant wait to try this hack
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 6 лет назад
I really appreciate that! I'll work even harder!
@PWL1371
@PWL1371 7 лет назад
I like the mat idea . Wondering if bed liner spray out of a can would work ? It does bond to paint which is a plastic . Be interesting to see if it would work !
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
I would love it if somebody would try it and let us know. But... might really mess up a boat if it ends up being a sticky mess. We would need to try it on a milk carton first.
@doctorkayak
@doctorkayak Год назад
@4:53 "I know it works because I had to *REAPPLY* the contact cement to my foot pads." Wait, what? If it worked I'm thinkin that you shouldn't've had to reapply it. 🤪
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing Год назад
lol! Good point!
@timmurdock2540
@timmurdock2540 7 лет назад
Great vid. Info I can use
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
Perfect!
@bigalcervantes5118
@bigalcervantes5118 5 лет назад
Steve, can you do a video on adding a trolling motor to a kayak?
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 5 лет назад
Ouch. I sold my Native Ultimate and the trolling motor last year. I bought a Native compatible mount for the motor and just clipped it on. In the Native, there is plenty of open space, so I extended the wiring to be able to put the heavy battery at the front to balance out.
@sarahwillis1747
@sarahwillis1747 6 лет назад
Does Heath have a video on how he did his layout with the designed yoga mats?
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 6 лет назад
I do not think so. I do not believe he uploads.
@frinxasestronca3399
@frinxasestronca3399 7 лет назад
You are PRO 😀
@lostinseale
@lostinseale 7 лет назад
Instead of contact cement I use E6000. It is clear and if you have to remove it you can rub and peel it off.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
Wow... craft cement? Is this the right stuff? amzn.to/2q56a2L It does not mention plastic in the description - wonderful if it works... thanks!
@lostinseale
@lostinseale 7 лет назад
It is actually an industrial glue that has found new life in crafting. As long as the glue can breath to cure.. Like that mat you installed. It doesn't cure well when it's plastic on plastic. I glued a dash cam mount to my van. Left it in the sun and it cured great.
@graceleah3216
@graceleah3216 4 года назад
Lay off the caffeine prior to turning the camera on, and what’s with the zip tied noodles in the inside of your kayak ? Never seen that before.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 4 года назад
This kayak had no buoyancy. I was trying to improve that.
@lilbitpcfla1637
@lilbitpcfla1637 7 лет назад
Looks great
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
Thanks!
@MrBumbles2
@MrBumbles2 5 лет назад
scotch outdoor dbl sided tape will hold in water, i havent tried the permanent series dbl sided tape. not sure contact cement will hold up long getting wet. let up know
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 5 лет назад
Thanks for the tip! The contact cement I used did just fine as long as you did not flick or rub the sides.
@coppershark1973
@coppershark1973 3 года назад
Ok Ok calm down! Nice vid!
@Legallyblindoutdoors
@Legallyblindoutdoors 3 года назад
How long did it last
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 3 года назад
It lasted for two seasons - maybe more - I sold the kayak at the end of the second season. I did have to reapply some contact cement once on the edges where I did not glue them adequately the first time.
@HazyIPA15
@HazyIPA15 3 года назад
awesome!
@jlansdale536
@jlansdale536 3 года назад
Shoulda used subfloor adheasive.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 3 года назад
Thanks for that suggestion.
@colejackson3534
@colejackson3534 6 лет назад
Question what happens if you flip this kind of kayak out in the middle of the bay or lake? Can you flip it back over and get back in or will it sink?
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 6 лет назад
lol! Many problems! You can review them on this playlist! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PzJ2uv69T9M.html
@mmiadragonz
@mmiadragonz 4 года назад
Used yoga matt works well
@olhesty2196
@olhesty2196 3 года назад
Love it man!
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 3 года назад
Glad you like it!
@k9kayaks
@k9kayaks 6 лет назад
Looks good I’ve bought some Yellow Yoga Matt from Aldis to go on my #BigTuna I just have a lot of cutouts / special cuts and waiting for some warm days outside here in the #PalmettoState
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 6 лет назад
The cutting is where you need to spend the time to get it really nice like Heath did!
@kingfisher1ful
@kingfisher1ful 5 лет назад
If the yoga mats get wet do they absorb the water , and how long dose it take to dry? Have you had issues with it getting moldy over time?
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 5 лет назад
They are waterproof - at least the one I used from Walmart. It dries as fast as the kayak and there was no mold on it at the end of the season.
@kingfisher1ful
@kingfisher1ful 5 лет назад
@@KayakhacksFishing Thanks great videos!
@fredfable5655
@fredfable5655 7 лет назад
What can I say steve? other than good job...Great job!!
@fredfable5655
@fredfable5655 7 лет назад
I foresee you in "Lotus flower position" meditation, before fishing... Good meditation steve!!! LOL...
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
Lotus! lol. Sometimes I need that to mentally connect with the fish!
@brianvihlidal6844
@brianvihlidal6844 7 лет назад
I'm pretty happy with my Seadek drop in kit on my WS Ride 135. =)
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
Nothing wrong with Seadek. It works great
@geniesvs
@geniesvs 6 лет назад
boat is hdpe - high density polyetheline not polypropylene.Nice job!
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 6 лет назад
You are correct. I misspoke. Thanks for pointing that out
@mmiadragonz
@mmiadragonz 4 года назад
What yak is that? Looks cool
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 4 года назад
It was a Native Watercraft Ultimate. (nativewatercraft.com/product/ultimate-14-5-tandem/) However, I do not recommend it since, if you flip, the only way to recover is to swim it to shore.
@williamhuebner4388
@williamhuebner4388 7 лет назад
why not just use the spray on rubber seen on tv. i have used it on my toolbox drawers, its light, cheap and easy to apply.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
I bet that would work. Next kayak!
@TheUnclered2
@TheUnclered2 7 лет назад
I have the same kayak and am wondering about your seat not be able to slide on the mat.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
If I lift up a bit, it will slide. If you slide with your weight on it, the material will wrinkle and I assume eventually tear. If you slide a lot, maybe putting a lubricant down on top (vaseline?) would allow for more movement.
@Compact32
@Compact32 7 лет назад
Tear apart a sliding screen door and screw the tracks in where you sit and then put the wheels onto your seat! Lol I am not sure if it would work, but a funny idea if someone wants inspiration.
@dr.froghopper6711
@dr.froghopper6711 3 года назад
I’ve used indoor/outdoor carpet but it didn’t stay put.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 3 года назад
Good to know - failed experiments are very useful!
@badandy880
@badandy880 7 лет назад
Can you comment on your seat? Is that an upgrade or did it come with your yak?
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
It is the one that came with the boat. I fish a lot and, over time, the material in the seat stretched and is now lower than it was when new. The puts the horizontal crossbar uncomfortably on my tailbone. I have to use a pad now to prevent chafing. When looking for a seat, I would avoid anything that has a horizontal bar as the hinge between the seat and the back where the back of the seat runs perpendicular directly to the hinge. If there is an offset between the seat hinge and seat back, you should be OK as that would keep the metal bar away from your tailbone. That said when new, the seat was very comfortable and is OK with the pad.
@doylemitchell4181
@doylemitchell4181 5 лет назад
Does it come loose when traveling at 70mph ? I travel to TX alot and do not want it to come out down the highway.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 5 лет назад
I have not had a problem with it going 60
@getoffyourbassandletsfish7651
@getoffyourbassandletsfish7651 5 лет назад
Not sure can’t paddle that fast 💨 🤔
@USFreedom
@USFreedom 5 лет назад
@@getoffyourbassandletsfish7651 work out more! Concentrate on speed strokes! =)
@silentlywaiting1120
@silentlywaiting1120 3 года назад
Your adhesion problem with the 3m tak tape is not using a cleaner and some adhesive promoter to the yak itself before sticking the 3m to it!!!
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 3 года назад
thanks for the tip!
@silentlywaiting1120
@silentlywaiting1120 3 года назад
@@KayakhacksFishing Not a problem... Once that promoter is in contact with the tape! You'll have to scrape it off. You can use it with stickers and duct tape too. Glad to help ya out😊
@rockyryan4753
@rockyryan4753 2 года назад
What about a bath mat
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 2 года назад
That's a good idea! The sticky suckers on the bottom will probably work well.
@PNJWILLIS
@PNJWILLIS 7 лет назад
Love the videos, Steve. Just wondering if anyone has tried the Non Slip Tool Box Liner available online & at homeware/ hardware stores - very light & flexible, would also glue down easily. Ok, ok ... I hear ya! I'll go ahead & try it, then I'll let y'all know the result :-)
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
That sounds like a great idea. I think anything inexpensive, thin and light would work great.
@rickle6706
@rickle6706 3 года назад
Too fragile
@Aware_of_myshelf
@Aware_of_myshelf 2 года назад
What kind of kayak even is that??
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 2 года назад
It is a Native Ultimate. I do not recommend it.
@shack276
@shack276 5 лет назад
I use a yoga mat ant flex tape.
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 5 лет назад
Taanks for the tip on the flex tape
@ussoldier197th
@ussoldier197th 5 лет назад
Are the yoga mats water proof?
@kodapierce8807
@kodapierce8807 6 лет назад
Take off gloss with sandpaper.
@jovi_3572
@jovi_3572 6 лет назад
should have chose a gray mat
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 6 лет назад
There are a few different color choices. I should have taken my wife with me to pick - she is better at color coordinating than I am 😀
@maineoutdoorsman677
@maineoutdoorsman677 5 лет назад
I love it when instantly they bum for likes an 👍up.that comes at the end of the video if it’s good not in the beginning.sorry iam a honest type of guy .strait forward no BS
@joettev2
@joettev2 6 лет назад
and a yoga mat adds buoyancy
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 6 лет назад
Maybe a little... probably not that much.
@matthewbeckett1051
@matthewbeckett1051 5 лет назад
How when it is inside the kayak? It only adds weight.
@perchjerker1438
@perchjerker1438 7 лет назад
Wrong, first step should have been to remove failed adhesive. Steve you are asking for problems! LOL
@KayakhacksFishing
@KayakhacksFishing 7 лет назад
The spray stuff is holding fine. It was the same brand, just a different strength based on the same basic formula. So far so good. The contact cement is holding as well.
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