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Reducing Energy Consumption in a Large Home: A Step-by-Step Guide 

Urban Plumbers
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In this video, I show you how I convert a highly inefficient and oversized gas boiler system into what is called a weather-compensated Domestic Hot Water Priority system and save the owners of this house an absolute fortune in their heating bills.
This job involved:
- heat loss calculations (18.50kW) and new system design
- removal of one 24kW system boiler (not needed!)
- removal of one of 300L unvented cylinders (not needed, unless there is 15 of you!)
- rewiring of the system
- supply and installation of weather compensated controls - Vaillant Senso Comfort
- integration of existing controls (12 zones) into Vaillant Senso Comfort set up
- removal of low loss header and system pump (not needed!)
- improvements to hot water performance
All those changes should save this family up to 40% on their energy use.

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@andrewmillwardwatford9410
@andrewmillwardwatford9410 Год назад
You have no hydraulic seperation for a system with ufh and radiators on low temperature controls. This will cause underflow in the ufh circuits when in operation. The llh needs to be refitted and a separate pump used for the radiator circuit from the distribution header. This is standard Vailant and Viessmann design. Hydraulic seperation has rules for when and when not it is required. This design you have done is subject of many of my design videos and causes regular winter call outs for me. It's very easy to rectify the issue. Ask Vilizar at Vailant to do a system schematic for you. This is as much of a hydronic no no as ccts at the ufh manifold.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers Год назад
Well, we do disagree here. I’d rather have CCT on manifolds than LLH here. If I have made a mistake I want to learn from it and go back and rectify. I appreciate your experience but I would like to test it myself and go back if needed. I have seen the discussion with you and Adam re CCT and I am aware of it. I will report back
@andrewmillwardwatford9410
@andrewmillwardwatford9410 Год назад
@@UrbanPlumbers it can all be proved mathematically with what you have learned from the heat geek course. I worry about credible sources giving out ideas with mistaken design principles. This leaves installers and customers vulnerable to system issues. Happy to discuss the issues with you.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers Год назад
@@andrewmillwardwatford9410 sure! I would love to meet and have it all explained!
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers Год назад
How do I find your number mate?
@andrewmillwardwatford9410
@andrewmillwardwatford9410 Год назад
@@UrbanPlumbers I message you on messenger before
@avivscrewvalla
@avivscrewvalla Год назад
What is truly amazing is that Urban Plumbers took on such a massive job and did not force the client to buy a whole bunch of new equipment to solve their issue. Instead, he deleted inefficient kit, redesigned and rewired the system and invested only time. Syzmon is the highest caliber of professional! Well done!
@TheWebstaff
@TheWebstaff Год назад
I can't wait to see the update and note from Andrew. It was a bit of an experiment and lessons might have to be learnt. It's good to see people's working out though!
@ogi22
@ogi22 Год назад
Well, i have to agree that this is amazing and a great show of high class specialist. However if they had double what they needed, i would just leave those redundant parts as a spare. Such heater is not worth a couple pennies... I have a similar sityation at my home - exchanging coal heating for gas. And i still want to leave old stove just in case, work on it a little and have an emergency heat source able to use coal, wood, chips, pellet... Hard times are coming and relying only on one source of energy is very risky.
@edc1569
@edc1569 Год назад
Breath of fresh air, so tiring seeing trades just scrap perfectly serviceable equipment, incredibly wasteful.
@chriswev
@chriswev Год назад
Never met a plumber/ heating guy with half the knowledge, and ability of this guy, unreal 👍
@microcolonel
@microcolonel Год назад
Finally a heating plumber who puts into his job more thought than I put into my hobbies.
@nigelsears7191
@nigelsears7191 Год назад
raw talent and whats even better is you do really go above and beyond to try to make your customers systems as efficient as possible , well done Simon
@billmarsh1971
@billmarsh1971 Год назад
With these levels of competency and professionalism you should be running the entire country. Absolutely fantastic Mr Urban
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers Год назад
naaah - the current lot are doing great, aren't they? 😄
@smithleon
@smithleon Год назад
Wow, what a difference. Plumbing and heating genius. As a DIY'er i'm in complete awe :)
@silvervanmanfly
@silvervanmanfly Год назад
As a plumber myself I am also in awe. A credit to the profession.
@Umski
@Umski Год назад
I would happily endorse your ability as a real engineer unlike many of the so-called gas/boiler fitters that like to think they are! Well done on a) taking on the job, b) being tenacious and knowledgeable enough to fault find it and c) resolve it without resorting to a ‘rip it out and start from scratch’ attitude 👍
@Umski
@Umski Год назад
@James Clerk Maxwell I have a Blue Peter badge 🤪
@billmarsh1971
@billmarsh1971 Год назад
@@Umski this is by far the most magnificent comeback I've ever seen on the internet, very well played!
@burropoco
@burropoco Год назад
Hopefully young apprentices are watching this channel and seeing a great example of what professionalism and skill looks like. It will certainly help them in their future careers.
@boomish69
@boomish69 Год назад
Love to see the original plumbers face who obviously thinks he’s the bees knees over designing such a complex system. Awesome job!
@tonyb3629
@tonyb3629 Год назад
It seems you have to be as much an electrician, plumber and boiler engineer - all at the same time. This is a huge, complex job that could completely fry your brain. Hat's off to you.
@michaelhales501
@michaelhales501 Год назад
Your knowledge is incredible. You were certainly born to do this job!
@TomNook.
@TomNook. Год назад
You are an artist and this heating system is a work of art
@Flashg19811
@Flashg19811 Год назад
You are a master of your craft and I’m addicted to watching vids now about plumbing and heating…😂😂
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers Год назад
👍
@richardhalliday6469
@richardhalliday6469 Год назад
Chanced upon one of your videos, I was impressed by the content, presentation and professionalism - now a subscriber - excellent job my friend.
@wakayama1991
@wakayama1991 Год назад
really excellent video! Everything explained so a layperson like me can understand, delivered with humility and a sense of humour too! You sound like a true professional, not some blagging shyster (can you tell I've had a couple of those in the past?) Your customers are lucky to have you. Subscribed, and please keep the videos coming!
@NickLaslett
@NickLaslett Год назад
Great explanation of the system and the changes you made.
@theamanbaby82
@theamanbaby82 Год назад
Brilliant video as always. As a heating engineer myself, I can appreciate what an amazing standard you work to 👌 Keep up the good work & keep the awesome vids coming 👍
@Brian77766
@Brian77766 Год назад
You are a heating genius that can simplify overcomplex systems and remove all that's not needed leaving the heating system more efficient and the customer very pleased.
@asmerom3025
@asmerom3025 Год назад
Brilliant ! Mesmerising watching a true professional at work..
@SuperMcgenius
@SuperMcgenius Год назад
I like that you tried without knowing it would work. Glad it did, smart work.
@fredflintstone1428
@fredflintstone1428 Год назад
I love your channel. Your style of presenting is really natural as opposed to some on RU-vid. Your knowledge is excellent and your problem solving skills really creative. Well done.
@k20aa
@k20aa Год назад
I love it when a plan comes together 👍👍👍
@valentinmirauta7059
@valentinmirauta7059 Год назад
Knowledgeable at its best, very good video for who is in the game and not only. Thanks
@xbullshet
@xbullshet Год назад
No idea or understanding , but it is amazing to see someone so professional and easy to understand, that he knows what he is doing and also, takes some risks to test himself. Thanks for your knowledge!
@gheorghiuvasile266
@gheorghiuvasile266 Год назад
We can summarize that in order to save a fortune on heating costs we should call a competent and knowledgeable plumber :D very good video I quite enjoyed it, thanks for sharing!
@justjacqueline2004
@justjacqueline2004 Год назад
I have not a clue but am fascinated by the skill of Mr Urban and his unique approach to home heating that really effects us now.
@hansv.d.p.8679
@hansv.d.p.8679 Год назад
Well..Simon..you have nailed it... bravo and keep on going...greetings from Rotterdam ..thanks for sharing .
@richwaight
@richwaight Год назад
Brilliant work! Super interesting and well explained 🙌
@kenbone4535
@kenbone4535 Год назад
I love wiring heating controls, looking to be working with you soon.
@davidbrotherson933
@davidbrotherson933 Год назад
Another great video of your work.. your depth of knowledge is incredible. I don't know how you learned all that but your customers are lucky to have such a top professional on the job.
@delilahlynch324
@delilahlynch324 Год назад
He's done the heat geek training course, best resource in the country
@ashplumb1
@ashplumb1 Год назад
You pal are a very clever chap. Mind is blown again
@stephengreen6338
@stephengreen6338 Год назад
And to think I had trouble wiring a Y plan, with cylinder, and room stat, you my friend are on a higher plain, enjoy the content, well done Simone
@otw5974
@otw5974 Год назад
Your work ethic is fantastic, as others have commented. Fine tuning and efficiency - simplifying and optimising powered by thought, not excess and compensation powered by laziness and incompetence. Re the softened water thing - base exchange softened water does indeed dissolve scale deposits, you're right. However when this occurs on a large build-up, sludge can form in lower-flowing areas, or restrictions, such as strainers, filters, and aerator fittings at the end of taps, so something to look out for in a situation like this. It can also dissolve 'cleanly' over time though and eventually pass through to drain without much issue.
@euroasiabtlimited3208
@euroasiabtlimited3208 Год назад
Great work . Thanks for sharing all that valuable information .
@fastestmilkman3840
@fastestmilkman3840 Год назад
Amazing work, loved how you have worked everything out first and problem-solve - wish you are closer to us in (Bath) as it is a pain to find a good plumber to install a new boiler for us at the moment!
@henrybartlett1986
@henrybartlett1986 Год назад
Well done. These are great to watch.
@lincslegend6936
@lincslegend6936 Год назад
Knowledge and skill off the scale. 👏
@hogey74
@hogey74 Год назад
Great video thanks and salient in late 2022 in Europe. Also good seeing you discussing theory and practice in the comments.
@dglcomputers1498
@dglcomputers1498 Год назад
I will say the Vailant/Gloworm ebus stuff is quite handy, we had a new glowworm compact fitted at the place we are renting and no controller or even a room thermostat was fitted (the previous boiler being an ultracom with the built in programmer). Absolute pain to turn the heating on/off so ended up getting a ClimaPro2. Installed in seconds using the plug under the boiler and so much easier than having to take the front cover off to wire something internally.
@john-qq4ym
@john-qq4ym Год назад
You're amazing, managing to sort out all that wiring. I was impressed with the condition of the hot water cylinders, no limescale at all. After seeing that I went and bought an industrial water softener to fill my 4,000 litre buffer tank. I'm planning on linking an annexe and have some insulated underground water pipe, it's 32mm so I'm going to thread 16mm through to get my flow rate correct. It's only a 10 mtr. run so I think it should be fine. I'm leaving the hot water on Economy 7 as long as my contract allows. I find with a properly insulated large tank there's very little loss over the day. Some people complain about heat loss from a store but what I've found is you have to make sure there's no parasitic convection going on. Another thing I don't think people realise is that their heat store isn't fully up to temperature to start with. I can see heat stores will be very useful when smart grid pricing comes along. John.
@andyhodchild8
@andyhodchild8 Год назад
Very good video, for 30 years I fit weather compensator, the old honeywell AQ6000 was a fab weather compensator controller with optimum on and optimum off. If HMG wanted to improve efficiency they could get rid of bimetallic stats, thermistors are so much better.
@makgou9148
@makgou9148 Год назад
Simon strikes again. As always covers every detail as it should have been in the first place.
@Colin82ish
@Colin82ish Год назад
Wow, so many wiring centres, my mind is blown. What a superb job you've done there, most impressive!
@deanchapple1
@deanchapple1 Год назад
Thanks for taking the time!!
@loving-plumbing
@loving-plumbing Год назад
Another well explained interesting video. Great stuff
@liamknowles6658
@liamknowles6658 Год назад
Another great video! Love to see these
@petehefferon8192
@petehefferon8192 Год назад
It’s mental how much knowledge you keep stored in your brain. Incredible
@johndevlin980
@johndevlin980 Год назад
That’s amazing mate, good work 👍
@Chris-js4yq
@Chris-js4yq Год назад
Fantastic really enjoyed this as a gas engineer thank you
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers Год назад
Glad you enjoyed it
@careykaeding4542
@careykaeding4542 Год назад
They hired you for a reason. Tons of houses out there like this. Keep up the good work
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers Год назад
Thanks 👍
@johnsmith-ik8il
@johnsmith-ik8il Год назад
I watch these videos even though I have no idea what he's talking about. What a guy.
@wilteduk007
@wilteduk007 Год назад
It's a rarity to find someone so knowledgeable.
@samposton9101
@samposton9101 Год назад
Lovely work mate. What a massive difference that will make to their gas bills this year!
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers Год назад
There is more to it than I was able to show on the video. They had 600L of stored water and never enough hot water - 2nd circulation was constantly depleting the cylinders with 2 x boilers constantly trying to recharge them! This should make a massive improvement to energy consumption
@samposton9101
@samposton9101 Год назад
@@UrbanPlumbers crazy!! I suppose that’s why the secondary return should be lagged so well to stop that. At the new gas price that’s over 2.5k per year in saving!!
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers Год назад
@@samposton9101 yes, you can easily cost you that much with insane 600L and 50kW of boilers cycling all day
@singlendhot8628
@singlendhot8628 Год назад
@@UrbanPlumbers Reminds me of that mixing episode you did earlier in the year. Well done!
@thomassheridan4252
@thomassheridan4252 Год назад
Excellent video, don't think most electricians could have worked that out.
@chowfont
@chowfont Год назад
Love these videos, such a clever guy.
@Matt.ffgmatHexPulseChain
@Matt.ffgmatHexPulseChain Год назад
Brilliant job!!! 👍👍👍👍
@hansgroenewegen6910
@hansgroenewegen6910 Год назад
You.are.a.good.plummer! Very good video. Thank you!
@chrispychan4547
@chrispychan4547 Год назад
Awesome plumbing man. Would love to understand the electronics side to your level one day.
@MichaelPickles
@MichaelPickles Год назад
You should open that bottle of champagne to celebrate a job well done
@spikespike9430
@spikespike9430 Год назад
Just found your channel and really impressed. You may still have a bit to learn but could be the time to ease of on the tools and make your fortune in consulting. ie How to do a proper job or correct what 'heating engineers ' have botched up and over charged on. ( only applies to some, you know who you are ) Your knowledge for your age far exceeds what an average guy knows and your videos and knowledge is truly inspirational. Well done and keep the videos coming.
@davejohnston5158
@davejohnston5158 Год назад
I have always thought commercial heating engineers have been lured by over complexity for technical one-upmanship. It appears that the clients budget usually determines the system size. In a house of this size I would expect a second boiler to be in position just to prevent inconvenient heat failure. I am amazed that all those zones work on one built-in boiler pump.
@adobo6905
@adobo6905 Год назад
You are doing an excellent explanation with the limited time and complex installation that you have. You did not tell us if the boilers were set up to fire properly to maintain the needed space and hot water temp. You stated that energy consumption was high with not enough heating but you did not share your findings as to what caused the situation of the high energy bill. Good luck.
@mrraoulfrench
@mrraoulfrench Год назад
Very good brother.. great work.
@ReferenceFidelityComponents
Decent looking boilers those. They look similar to the range topping Ideal Vogue or System boilers inside and out. Not cheap!
@MrMattlock
@MrMattlock Год назад
You didn't explain what you had to do to that wiring centre, but my head had exploded already by then! Why do installers make things so unnecessarily complicated? It's a lovely big house, but I've worked in 50 room hotels with simpler control systems! Well done for improving things so much for the client with minimum outlay.
@delilahlynch324
@delilahlynch324 Год назад
Amazing job! 👏
@andyleggatt1846
@andyleggatt1846 Год назад
maybe you could see if vaillant will sponsor an Arotherm addition for the property next year! ;) would have been interesting to know more about the wiring, though I appreciate the brain frying nature of boiler wiring!
@gino2465
@gino2465 Год назад
Very interesting job.
@Lee.Willcox
@Lee.Willcox Год назад
I love their choice in the heating system, I love how you have rationalised it all (BRILLIANT) and I really love their choice in paint 🤭 Farrow & Ball, they are superior producers of paint with a wonderful palette of rich colours (no I don't work for them). Such an daunting job you have taken on and you achieved it 😎
@stephen3654
@stephen3654 Год назад
They're not short, they can even afford Andrex.
@Lee.Willcox
@Lee.Willcox Год назад
​@@stephen3654 😄😆😅🤣I shop at LIDL and their bog roll chafes 😩 If only I could afford ALDI or ASDA bog paper, let alone Waitrose 😤😥
@stephen3654
@stephen3654 Год назад
@@Lee.Willcox I use my hand and rinse it in the flush
@guygfm4243
@guygfm4243 Год назад
Very interesting thanks for sharing
@psi10001
@psi10001 Год назад
I can't wait to see the results in a year!
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers Год назад
I think I will go back in Jan 2023 once we have data for at least 2-3 colder months.
@pradhpatle
@pradhpatle Год назад
It will succeed 👍. Have no doubt about it. I hate low loss headers when they are not needed. If in doubt I would put small buffer with buffer sensors wired to vr 71 instead.
@SJR275
@SJR275 Год назад
Amazing work as always. Wish you were up in the North East so that I could get you to fix this little bungalow haha.
@scott19087
@scott19087 Год назад
I always take my time to write numbers and rooms on the corresponding wires, plus I write it on a piece of paper and leave that on the boiler/heat pump. Sometimes it feels useless but seeing how much time it takes you figuring out, I’ll continue doing it lol
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers Год назад
I take pictures of the notes and file them under the project in Evernote. I do that for all jobs Justin case I have to trouble shoot it in the future
@colinfarrell6444
@colinfarrell6444 Год назад
Fantastic A first class job
@m0dz
@m0dz 10 месяцев назад
Great video
@plumbertime
@plumbertime Год назад
Very nice job. Sadly too many surveyors only look at what you already have and quote rather than asking what you need and would like to achieve and then quote. Sadly too many unskilled people don’t know how to work out what’s required so so just do a like for like swap. There’s plenty of big well named companies fitting systems like it’s the 90’s! And sadly customers love it because the rads get hot.
@gino2465
@gino2465 Год назад
Now that's a real nice home
@Fractal227
@Fractal227 Год назад
I need this dude to come and look at my house, if just i was not so far away xD
@jeanjacques9980
@jeanjacques9980 Год назад
Fascinating video, bit mind blowing for a domestic installation, imagine a hospital!
@GSXRRizla
@GSXRRizla Год назад
I wish you were closer to Shropshire. I'd happily have you review and upgrade my system. If you have any recommendations for like minded installers, please share. Keep up the great work...
@nedloh17
@nedloh17 Год назад
A heating engineer Wizard !!
@stephengilman6247
@stephengilman6247 Год назад
Topman👍 wish you covered my area
@micssticksnpipes
@micssticksnpipes Год назад
Such great videos 👍
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers Год назад
Glad you like them!
@schrodingerscat1863
@schrodingerscat1863 Год назад
Guarantee the original installer looked at the house and thought, they have plenty of money, then over-specified the original system massively to make it a much bigger job than actually needed. You could run the place as a hotel on that original system, 50kW, total overkill.
@waqasahmed939
@waqasahmed939 Год назад
I've got a 29KwH boiled when realistically, I need half that. My house theoretically uses 10,000 KwH of gas a year
@Bertie_Ahern
@Bertie_Ahern Год назад
Of course. Sad but true, it's only about money for most plumbers.
@mikeh6206
@mikeh6206 Год назад
I'm a Viessmann guy and have often used the boiler pump to handle full radiator loads but only when the pump is operating within its curve. The DHW 3 way valve is handled internally in the boiler so there is no question of having the wrong temp going to the tank. I can understand why the LLH is in place and if the DHW was sent to the tank bypassing the LLH, you would still have the benefit of the LLH for flow control through the secondary circuits.
@kevingirdler3698
@kevingirdler3698 Год назад
Very satisfying 👍 Is there any sort of mixing valve on the underfloor? You mentioned 2 heating curves but without sensors and mixing stations the vr71 will run at the higher curve I believe.
@Accringtonman
@Accringtonman Год назад
Maximum respect!
@serraios1989
@serraios1989 Год назад
Well done for taking on the challenge!!! Could you not have salvaged the second water cylinder with an endoscope camera? Remove the heating element and stick the scope in. Less time and effort consuming. Still many thanks for the video
@offgridwanabe
@offgridwanabe Год назад
Brilliant the outdoor sensor is the weak point imho at least if your weather changes fast.
@willmorgan6867
@willmorgan6867 Год назад
Big respect, I'm a techie not a plumber but appreciated the erasure of stuff that wasn't adding anything valuable to the system. Goes to show that there's plenty of scope to reduce energy usage and waste. Please keep making more of these, and hope you aren't kidnapped :)
@stephenrichards5386
@stephenrichards5386 Год назад
Love your vids
@steveeggleton876
@steveeggleton876 Год назад
Yes a softener will slowly remove existing scale build up in any water using system or appliance
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers Год назад
I heard that before, but this is the first time I was actually able to confrim it!
@AidanSkoyles
@AidanSkoyles Год назад
cool; makes me appreciate simple American plumbing systems.
@DJ-uk5mm
@DJ-uk5mm Год назад
Blimey this guy is a plumbing genius we’ll done
@johnradley7176
@johnradley7176 Год назад
Amazing!
@VietecHeating
@VietecHeating Год назад
Not sure I agree with removing the LLH for such a system, however, real world testing is the best way to find out if it works, we can have all the theories we want and all the mathematical equations and all the manufacturers test rigs in test conditions, but these do not prove real working of an actual system, it’s great that you have a client willing to undergo a trial for a different approach and it will be very interesting to see how it turns out, I look forward to the follow up video with interest, it could prove a lot of theories wrong
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers Год назад
yes, it would be nice to keep it in, but that would require re-piping of hot water and radiator circuits so that the take-off for DHW is before the header, additional 2 pumps - one for CH rads and one for DHW plus replacement of mixing valves on 2 manifolds. It may still happen. We will know soon.
@dontuno
@dontuno Год назад
I'm always fascinated by your videos and despite what is being said by some, your knowledge way surpasses any plumber I have ever met! I'm particularly interested to note that a 24 kw boiler can provide all the heat on a 4000 square foot property given that my 1800 ish property with 11 trv'd rads and 1 hw tank struggles on a 18kw boiler even when 4 rads are isolated and the respective room doors are closed. The only suggestion I have had from a plumber is to increase the boiler to 24 kw. BTW, double glazed and copious roof insulation.
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers Год назад
you probably only need 10kW then. Google 'heat geek map' and hire a heat geek elite member - bigger chance to get someone who will be actually able to help you
@dontuno
@dontuno Год назад
@@UrbanPlumbers Many thanks and I will give that a go.
@curtisthomas8935
@curtisthomas8935 Год назад
Real skill👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
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