Reflecting on the Covid Death Toll and Vaccines | Making Sense  

The comments under this video support the claim that we're actually (still) battling a much worse pandemic: A pandemic of stupidity.

I have Lupus and got Covid twice. Im 58 and never got vaxxed. Seems super over hyped.

Thank God we have all the immunologists and physicians in the comment section of youtube which is notorious for its seriousness, maturity anf expertise.

I don't know when American's started talking in this accent that sounds like they are on the verge of tears.

I think we missed an opportunity post-covid for a window of enforcing good habits and eating patterns for people. The US (1,219,487 dead) and Mexico (334,958) suffered some of the worst deaths during the pandemic because a large (if not the majority) of the adult population is overweight and does not exercise. Being overweight itself induces additional stress on to the cardiovascular system without any virus present. Before we think about asking questions of vaccination we need people to take some responsibility for their own health.

I’ve been a critical care Rn for nearly 30 years and worked in ICU during the pandemic. It was a terrifying experience. We lost proned and lost many of our friends and families. Vaccines work.

Over a million lives lost… and now it’s like it never happened and no one cares. Such a tragedy

"A miracle" 😂😂 IT WAS SYNTHESISED IN THE LAB

“Go home and come back when your lips turn blue”… THATS why so many people died in Q2 of 2020 #NeverForget

Utter bollocks 🙄

The irony is most of those 1 million people were in the demographic that would’ve voted for Donald Trump

the craziest thing about covid is how an entire political faction went from rationally questioning big pharma to bootlicking them instead

LOL Sam doesn't believe this.

I think this video would be better if it were a longer excerpt including the part about it being Trump's vaccine, and if not for an oddity of timing, it would have been largely democrats as anti-vaxxers. It's not democrats we're trying to convince here. At least not amongst my friends.

Everybody got sick. Everybody knows one or two elderly, obese diabetic heart patients that died from it. Maybe they could have been saved if we made them the focus of our efforts.

clips is a good idea 👍

Come on Sam. Just admit you were on the wrong side of this.

Not a miracle for my brother in law that died of heart failure at 43. Or my mum that had a stroke. Or the 2 brothers in front of me in the queue that died 1 day after taking it.

2:25 When you say you "KNOW" based on some numbers, you're full of shit. You lose all credibility when you say that. You then go on to dismiss other valid possible reasons with a finger wag.

Vaccines?

I appreciated this discussion, however must zero in on the part abt "best estimates". (This is probably the main point of disagreement, for some minority of Sam's audience). While I generally take Sam's point, that we'll have many future problems if we all become conspiratorial, and automatically skeptical of government-issued statistical information, I think that a degree of skepticism is warranted in this particular case. I realize that it seems clear on the surface, that excess deaths coinciding with waves of infections points to causality. However, I place at least some emphasis on the observation, that many deaths during these time intervals were more likely to be designated as "Covid related," even if that designation was questionable, in at least some number of cases. I'm glad we can quickly develop and administer new vaccines, even if medical industrial complex becomes an issue in a highly market-driven society (nevertheless, for the most part, I'm also glad that we're a market-driven society). However, in the case of this particular vaccine, I think we have enough reliable reports and information to merit some concerns, and also to somewhat question its importance, and efficacy. While the vaccine helped a significant number of individuals at elevated risk, both the use of ventilators (in extreme cases) and being indoors, probably increased the risk of mortality in many cases, and vitamin D along with other underemphasized, low-risk interventions also helped. Of course, the limited efficacy of the vaccines over an extended period must also be considered, because the risk of some possible unknown side effects is increased with a greater number of boosters. Additionally, there's some question involving long term risks, perhaps related to encephalopathy or tissue damage for some individuals, and maybe even for some batches of the vaccine more than others, and for some 'brands' more than others. To return to the above point, regarding a degree of skepticism as to the specific number of verifiable excess deaths: Although this enters the territory of a challenging moral calculus, we must ask ourselves what kind of mortality rate justifies an indefinite imposition of martial law, in a free society. It's difficult to say that some lives matter more than others. However, if deaths per flu season were quadrupled, and those afflicted were children, most ppl would weigh this consideration much differently than an approximate number of seasonal deaths, among elderly and at-risk populations. Furthermore, when we begin to at least somewhat question the exact number of deaths due directly to Covid, the calculus is further altered: Lockdown measures taken in a free society should be proportional to the actual or projected rate of mortality. So, was the death rate similar to 5-10 flu seasons combined? If we question (appropriately) the statistics, could it have possibly been more like, 2-4 flu seasons combined? What kind of restrictive measures are justifiably taken, in what has been colloquially described, as an 'extra bad flu season?' Within certain limits, ppl in a free society are permitted to endanger not only themselves, but even to endanger others to a certain degree, as long as they do not cause direct and deliberate harm to individuals, nor introduce an unacceptable amount of risk to the wellbeing of the populace. The bar for impinging on the rights and freedoms of individuals, must always be set as high as is reasonably possible, and is practically feasible.

Hello person who never belongs in the public discourse again.

How are we supposed to trust Sam when he doesn't push back and create and introduce a little bit of nuance He's just another partisan person pretending like everything is so simple. Even breaking points does this now about Israel instead of going over the both sides like we were sold when they started the channel nobody's willing to speak about nuance anymore It just doesn't sell books or get subscribers

It appears Sam is trying the best foot forward with reason and stats. How can this be a problem.

Your entire life has been dedicated to the truth. No matter how hard to swallow. And yet, you decided to clip and publish this segment. Nobody understands you anymore. Are you just simply trolling the IDW?

Sam!

Still believing the bs huh? Good grief, who still listens to Sam Harris and takes him and his guest seriously? This guy hasn’t had a challenging discussion or debate in years

I just came here for the awakened comments, just to see how many people woke up from the s.c.a.m.demic deception 😎

I'm so disappointed in what this man had to say. I bet he even thinks the earth is a globe.

How does this (thumb) downvote spectrum work on this platform? Because, just like Trump, I am pretty sure I can use those too...

But...but...muh freedumb.

That vocal fry though… why?

Lol. When you can't even get the CFR right, of what value is anything else you say?

Man, someone tell Sweden that they missed the boat with that Natural Immunity thing - that miracle drug that I was definitely not mandated to have to keep my job was a way better plan, and totally not related to the unexpected deaths that my country is seeing versus their country. We've lost more than two Horsemen.

Trust Sam to ferret out an 'expert' to add voice to his incorrect positions. This vid will eventually disappear from RU-vid just like "The Russian Connection" This was a middle finger to Brett Weinstein who ironically is being proven right on just about every position he's apposed Sam on.

I am unvaccinated. Caught COVID March 2020, again 45 months later, 3 months short of my 70th birthday. Natural immunity is not diminished by taking MRNA vaccines, but it’s not possible to define wether natural immunity or vaccination kept you safe, ask your doctor if that’s true. I have, they can’t distinguish one way or the other. Having not taken the vaccine, at least I was safe from possible vaccine injury, or possible death or serious illness. Sadly, some folk who were vaccinated were not as fortunate as myself.

That 1% covid death rate your guest mentioned is riddled with flaws. Factoring out the variability globally, as well as the bungled mass nursing home deaths, its far lower than 1%

Covid vaccine one of the greatest achievements?! 🤦‍♂️

The statement about the death rate being 1% is just plain factually inaccurate. It's a gross overstatement to say the least. The actual IFR is closer to 0.1% or much less. So 1/10 of what he said. I'll post the link to the meta analysis when I get time. It is this simple misunderstanding and one could say negligence in checking the facts, that seems to cause people to perpetuate some of the misconceptions of the covid era.

Nope

I'm blissfully happy to be unjabbed. Don't know anyone who regrets that decision. But many, many people in the other camp.

Sam was and will always be the house boy for people like Fauci and Collins!!

So why are excess deaths in the US, canada and the UK STILL high? Between 10-25%? When other countries like Bulgaria and Romania excess deaths are now 0 or negative? … maybe it has something to do with vaccine uptake?

Long covid will be a huge problem in the coming years unfortunately.

😆that Sam Harris guy fell off the face of the earth🤣

I can smell the Russell Brand awakened wonders, drenched in his newfound grifter Christianity, sniveling into the comments section.

Hope it was worth it Sam. The violations of rights are ALWAYS justified in the present before being condemned in the future.

Yes, but perhaps a bit overboard. The fact of the matter is that the Pandemic didn't just happen out of the blue...There was a process, like all things, that led up to it. I want accountability for that process if I am going to get all the way on board the bus he is driving.

There was a year (2020), in Australia, where the incidence of Covid was very very low and the death rates were background level, 5 year average, normal. THEN, vaccines were rolled out and the jump in numbers of deaths was statistically significant - as high as 20% . So, temporally related for sure. Does the Australian Govt want to know about it? Of course not! See AUstralian Senator Gerard Rennick talk about this in parliament and at Senate Estimates.

I thought you left RU-vid?

Its not that vaccines did not work or an achievement that they were delivered so quickly. It that they came with serious side effects, especially heart related. The public policy of coercion that was later adopted was the big problem. The vaccines after the 1st few variants did very little to prevent the spread of covid, the risk to young people was much lower than older people and the incidence of mayocarditis much higher. Also natural immunity was belittled and recovered people were forced to get vaccinated or lose their livelihoods. Also subsequent boosters were pushed with very little supporting evidence, some of them conducted only mice studies. That's the main problem.

any actual data that this man can present instead of his opinion and emotionally driven deductions?

Still sterilising your groceries because of a cold Sam? Still trying to stoke fear on behalf of your masters.

I'm wondering if you'll still have this opinion as more and more data and stories start seeping out like they are now. About the lies, about the personal injury stories, and about how there were other options buried and demonized. Let's see...

Lipid nanoparticles delivering mRNA are systemically distributed throughout the entire body, rather than remaining at the site of injection. That sounds more like a problem than a miracle.

A lot of disinformation in this video, Sam. Anyone trying to argue that we did things appropriately during the pandemic simply should not be listened to. The risk benefit ratio of vaccines was only positive in those that had chronic medical conditions (diabetes and obesity specifically), the risks outweighed the benefits in the general population, but ESPECIALLY in children. I used to come to Sam's page to hear debate, discussion, and logical reasoning. I'll always be grateful to him for introducing me to meditation and spiritual practice. But he has lost the plot, and this page is generally partisan or emotional reasoning nowadays.

Take your medicine, you lost, acknowledge and move on.

On this topic Sam is addicted to clutching his pearls and acting all flabbergasted that half the country was more scared of draconian behavior of government than the virus. It was a very rational reaction to what was going on. You don’t have to agree with it, of course, but acting like it was “insane” to have skepticism in the face of that kind of government sponsored moral panic is entirely reasonable.

can't quite tell what the stench is... either astounding naivety or just plain old BS

they lied about making it, why is it crazy to think they lied about everything else. coerced consent is a crime.

Nobody believes this.

I am unvaccinated, had covid, nothing happend... My mom went to the hospital after her vaccination with covid symptons yet she didnt had covid... I dont care what any "expert" says... I live a healthy life and i wil continue to do so without any vaccinations or medicine i dont want... I encourage everybody to choose for themselfs and let other people do their own thing... 👍

Sam, you should publicly thank President Trump for developing your "safe and effective" vaccine so fast. Credit where it's due.

Nice to see this shill has lost half his fans in the last couple of years, he really has encouraged people to think, just a shame it happened what he stopped!

Ask this man if he’s gotten multiple boosters… my guess is he hasn’t . And the question is why hasn’t he ?

BTW... I'm not saying that Sam was paid well for this post but.... influencers have opened (not all but a few) up and said they were offering lots of money to be a jab-jockey and say how they got it and thank goodness too because "it could have been worse". 2019-2023 four years of fear porn.... so we should trust what who says now? LoL 😂😆🤣

I so miss the time when I was young enough to be able to turn of my brain in pure lazyness and rely on authorities to guide my way in the world. Guess I'm older than Sam.

Oh, what a surprise, Harris on the wrong side of this issue. Im shocked.

Have we checked where soy boy's funding comes from?

Does anyone know if Sam visited Jeffrey's island? It would explain a lot.

Sam is a World Champion Pseudo intellectual. Sammy The Pseudo Harris.

BI🛑WEAP🛑N

L take, the pandemic ended due to the virus variants becoming less harmful and due to natural immunity building up, the vaccines also of course played a role, but they weren´t the main factor