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Refutation upon Abu Taymiyyah Al-Jeylani on the matter of voting! | Shaykh Muqbil Bin Hādī Al-Wadi’i 

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@moabukar2306
@moabukar2306 Месяц назад
Abu Taymiyyah conveys the opinions of major scholars regarding this issue, it’s fine to disagree and take the position of Shayhk Muqbil May Allah have mercy on him. However to make the picture of any person place a X on it saying that Shayhk Muqbil is refuting him when in reality this is a refutation is of an opinion and not a person, makes it clear you have more of an issue with Abu Taymiyyah then the opinion conveyed. If you have an issue with the brother, it is from his rights you speak to him and reach out to him and hear him out Publicly posting a video showing his face crossed out is taking away from his honour which you will be asked about on the day of judgment. I don’t know your intentions as that is for Allah and yourself to know but your actions seem far genuine.
@MenkIsAMubtadiiDeobandi
@MenkIsAMubtadiiDeobandi Месяц назад
@@moabukar2306 A person who sits with innovators can be backbitten.
@Ibrahim.l20
@Ibrahim.l20 Месяц назад
New manhaj update​@@MenkIsAMubtadiiDeobandi
@moabukar2306
@moabukar2306 Месяц назад
@@MenkIsAMubtadiiDeobandiso is the purpose of this video to backbite Abu Taymiyyah or to clarify the issue of voting?, backbiting is to say about a brother what he dislikes even if it is true, crossing out a persons face and then misrepresent the title is not backbiting ahki it’s closer to slander and humiliation than backbiting
@iloveislam6300
@iloveislam6300 Месяц назад
there isn't such a thing as a difference of opinion on the matter of voting. it's very clear what is said in the Qur'an when Allah says who are those that rule by other than the Qur'an and sunnah. why do you say otherwise? are you going to go ahead and say well "shaykh so and so said this". no, this is what is said in the Qur'an & sunnah, therefore you accept that first over anyones word.
@moabukar2306
@moabukar2306 Месяц назад
@@iloveislam6300 “why do you say otherwise” my beloved brother, I haven’t said anything otherwise. I’ve just said that some of the major scholars have mentioned something regarding the issue, if they are wrong then they will be rewarded once and if they are right they will be rewarded twice. And to clarify habibi voting in itself is not haram…. Democracy is what is haram. And there is a difference of opinion regarding participating in democracy when in a non muslim country specifically. And of course the Quran and sunnah is what we take above all, but upon who’s understanding?, upon your understanding or upon my understanding or do we take the understanding of the salaf? And who knows the Quran and sunnah upon the understanding of the salaf better then the righteous scholars, so stick close to the older and righteous scholars. Here is Video of shaykh wasil Abas I’m Mecca clarifying the issue inshallah: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_LiELhn1xDA.htmlsi=XzJzJFLpl1o3mpTd
@noble_recitation
@noble_recitation Месяц назад
May Allah reward brother Abu taymiyah, so much khair from him
@sahilk8616
@sahilk8616 Месяц назад
So where was the refutation on Abu taymiyyah? He just conveyed the fatawaa of the ulema if you are so bold write on ur title "refutation on ibn baz and ibn uthaymeen" Ok we respect sh muqbils opinion but this doesn't mean we disregard the ulema with their ijtihadaat رحمهم الله
@nomadbiker4040
@nomadbiker4040 Месяц назад
@sahilk8616 we dont disregard them as great salafi ulamaa, but we disregard their erroneous positions. The hadeeth of the mujtahid who is incorrect will have one reward, but we cannot follow their incorrect ijtihaad
@abdulhakamjibril
@abdulhakamjibril Месяц назад
The Refutation is on his Taqleed which Shaykh Muqbil said Taqleed is considered as Bid'ah
@exdre8559
@exdre8559 Месяц назад
It is also a refutation of both of them
@moeb840
@moeb840 Месяц назад
Why do you add 'Shaykh' in quotations, for Shaykh Ibn jebreen and Barrak.
@muslimBello-Saheed
@muslimBello-Saheed Месяц назад
why did you reply in english
@abdulhakamjibril
@abdulhakamjibril Месяц назад
Cos Ibn Jibrin praised Sayyid Qutb...Thus he was advised and finally labelled an Innovator by Imam An Najmee.
@AnaAthari
@AnaAthari Месяц назад
Jazakoum Allahou khayran
@AreebIqbal22
@AreebIqbal22 Месяц назад
Sheikh Al Albani sheikh Wasiullah sheikh Abdul muhsin al abbad and many other scholars stated this is permissible for lesser of the 2 evils. Whilst I’m More inclined that it’s haram you can’t just refute Abu Taymiyyah (not that I Take from him) based on this.
@BaytAlAthaar
@BaytAlAthaar Месяц назад
They are wrong in that like Shaykh Muqbil Bin Hādī Al-Wadi’i رحمه الله said. This isn’t a refutation just upon Abu Taymiyyah الله يهديه و لنا, this is a refutation upon everyone who upholds that opinion due to a scholars view. Like Shaykh Muqbil said, it is Baatil!
@salafeeeeeee
@salafeeeeeee Месяц назад
​@@BaytAlAthaarYou can say the same about Shaykh Muqbil
@BaytAlAthaar
@BaytAlAthaar Месяц назад
@@salafeeeeeeeYes, you can, so what do we do in this predicament? We return it to Allah and his Rasool. Show me where it is allowed in the Quran & Sunnah to vote for a man who rules with man made laws and governs with what the people want.
@AreebIqbal22
@AreebIqbal22 Месяц назад
@@BaytAlAthaar but the Saudi government rules by man made laws? Women do not have to wear full hijab in Saudi Arabia for example? Do we not still have to obey and be patient in this regard?
@AreebIqbal22
@AreebIqbal22 Месяц назад
@@BaytAlAthaar this is a valid difference of opinion amongst major scholars akhi. You can’t refute someone based on this. Sitting with innovators etc go ahead and refute. This on the other hand just causes fitna
@AhmedSaad-vn1oo
@AhmedSaad-vn1oo Месяц назад
It’s odd how you make this video as if it’s a refutation of Abu Taymiyyah when the ulamaa have stated this, if you wanted to state the opinion you believe is correct don’t single out Abu Taymiyyah rather make general video about this opinion.
@BaytAlAthaar
@BaytAlAthaar Месяц назад
@@AhmedSaad-vn1oo The one who beautifies an opinion or view of a scholar to the laypeople to follow has to be refuted if that view or opinion is wrong.
@AhmedSaad-vn1oo
@AhmedSaad-vn1oo Месяц назад
@@BaytAlAthaar ”Refute” the opinion itself that the ulamaa have stated not the person who’s conveying it
@BaytAlAthaar
@BaytAlAthaar Месяц назад
@@AhmedSaad-vn1oo The one who conveys it is also apart of it no? This principle you laid down, show me who from the scholars said it.
@MenkIsAMubtadiiDeobandi
@MenkIsAMubtadiiDeobandi Месяц назад
​​@@BaytAlAthaarWhy is he grooming people towards this opinion? Very likely for personal reason. و الله هؤلاء من البلاء العظيم
@user-sg8ts7lr6s
@user-sg8ts7lr6s Месяц назад
No that is wrong, and there's fatwas of ibn Taymiyyah mentioning this ​@@BaytAlAthaar
@user-xn8wj3kn2x
@user-xn8wj3kn2x Месяц назад
This has nothing to do with Abu Taymiyah even though he’s on a dodgy path. STOP TRYING TO SEEK CLOUT.
@kwarsamee7426
@kwarsamee7426 Месяц назад
Dodgy path for not being a madkhali?
@AnaAthari
@AnaAthari Месяц назад
Good point from sheikh muqbil to be honest Its rare tho to see mistakes from the 3 big sheikhs of before wow
@philosophyindepth.3696
@philosophyindepth.3696 Месяц назад
In india the lok sabha elections 2024 jamiat ahle hadees hind had also permitted muslims to vote
@nomadbiker4040
@nomadbiker4040 Месяц назад
@philosophyindepth.3696 thats one of the reasons they have been warned against
@tanveersheikh9860
@tanveersheikh9860 Месяц назад
admn seems a abu khadijite
@philosophyindepth.3696
@philosophyindepth.3696 Месяц назад
@@tanveersheikh9860 in india jamiat ahle hadees has permitted muslims to vote.Is jamiat ahle hadees hind also abu khadijite.i dont even know this guy properly.May Allah have mercy upon you and me.
@philosophyindepth.3696
@philosophyindepth.3696 Месяц назад
@@nomadbiker4040 Then what they should do let BJP win by majority again so that CAA NRC would be brought and they will b thrown out of India?
@nomadbiker4040
@nomadbiker4040 Месяц назад
@philosophyindepth.3696 bjp and hindoos will always be majority there, muslims living under disbelievers have to make hijrah, not vote
@leezalel
@leezalel Месяц назад
Just a beneficial reminder to those looking at the comments - blind following any scholar is Haram, we only follow opinions which are in accordance with the evidences, no matter how big the scholar is
@engineeringjourney9828
@engineeringjourney9828 Месяц назад
Just a question, as you are refuting ustad Abu Taymiyyah, have you reached out to him to advise him maybe in private so perhaps he may make a public tawbah? And the 3 giant scholars of this era (may Allah have mercy) who took this opinion are having by the help of Allah far reaching impact than ustad abu taymiyyah (may Allah preserve and bless), so why put the caption be like that? If really you want to guide the people?
@Hikmah1995
@Hikmah1995 Месяц назад
Many ppl of spoken to him in private, and it doesnt matter if a scholar said anything. If its wrong, and weak then we throw it away. This is the sunnah.
@engineeringjourney9828
@engineeringjourney9828 Месяц назад
@@Hikmah1995 and a free advise for you, let not the hatred and envy for some muslims lead you to trangression and oppression.
@Hikmah1995
@Hikmah1995 Месяц назад
@@engineeringjourney9828 Alhamdulilah I have no hatred, and envy. I just love my religion way too much not to speak the truth. These days due to how soft ppl have become, refuting has become being envious. I'm envious of my shaykhs such as Shaykh Hassan Somali, Shaykh Abu Iyaad, and Shaykh Abu khadeejah. May Allah Subhana Wa Tala bless them all. Ameen. I'm jealous of my religion. We are told to stand up for truth no matter what. This Abu Taymyya is not salafi, and does not imitate the Salaf. Which of the salaf sat with innovators, took pics with them, and praised them?
@engineeringjourney9828
@engineeringjourney9828 Месяц назад
@@Hikmah1995 now i see where this whole thing is coming from, please do ponder from time to time on my free advise. May Allah bless you, guide you and ease all your affairs.
@iymuslim
@iymuslim Месяц назад
⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@Hikmah1995the foundational principle is that one shouldn’t sit with innovators, but sometimes due to one’s own Ijtihad he may see it fit. Just like your sheikh Abdul Hakim Bilal Davies who went to the Hajj conference and he mixed with many different Muslims from different groups. The issue is that you people apply general texts of the salaf on specific situations - and this is a proof of your deficiency in understanding their manhaj
@Ibrahim.l20
@Ibrahim.l20 Месяц назад
Ibn Baz, ibn Uthaymeen, Luhaydaan, ibn Jibreen(who's a giant with or without your acknowledgement) vs Muqbil Al Wadi'i Thats all your "refutation" is
@abdulhakamjibril
@abdulhakamjibril Месяц назад
First of all...Ibn Jibrin praised Sayyid Qutb and was labelled an Innovator by Imam An Najmee. So Giant what? Secondly its not about this Scholar vs this Scholar, the Deen of Allah is not a Game. Its about Truth vs Baatil. And Baatil is ever bound to Perish.
@Ibrahim.l20
@Ibrahim.l20 Месяц назад
Al Albani also praised Sayyid Qutb stay consistent bro. 'Imam' Ahmad An-Najmi can say whatever he wants but he as the rest of us يؤخذ منه ويترك. "It's not this scholar vs this scholar" It is. If Ibn Baz, Ibn Uthaymeen, Ibn Jibrin, Al Barraak, Al-Luhaydaan agreed on something I can't just accept "it's wrong" and no one should. In this case we need definitive evidence and nothing less than definitive. ​@@abdulhakamjibril
@abdulhakamjibril
@abdulhakamjibril Месяц назад
@@Ibrahim.l20 Am Talking about Praise in the context of Ta'ssub (Praising of Support without Tamyeez {Boycott}). Shaykh Albani is Free from Support for Sayyid Qutb and he said Sayyid Qutb Books must be Refuted. I think you are confused only because Imam Albani said Sayyid Qutb was coming close to Salafiyyah during his Jail Time before he died. This is Not Praise at All. Fear Allah. And if you are still Adamant on this, then bring your Proof if you are Truthful. Bring clear Proof that Shaykh Albani Supported Sayyid Qutb and spoke good of him just the way Ibn Jibrin did.
@Ibrahim.l20
@Ibrahim.l20 Месяц назад
Show it. I don't care what you claim about the Sheikh. As for Sheikh Al Albani then he did praise him and say he had a good effect on Egypt.@@abdulhakamjibril
@abdulhakamjibril
@abdulhakamjibril Месяц назад
@@Ibrahim.l20 Lies...Shaykh Albani Never praised Sayyid Qutb in the context of Ta'ssub...Lies Lies Lies...Bring your Proof if you are Truthful. I can send you where he said Sayyid Qutbs Books should be Refuted.
@user-sp4rp1di8x
@user-sp4rp1di8x Месяц назад
Any chance you can do a direct video to correct the brother rather than doing this as there is already so much fitnah in the ummah we dont need more, we cant even fight or refute a yahoodi and we fighting amongst ourselves.
@Salafiyyah73
@Salafiyyah73 Месяц назад
Is it correct to say that voting is shirk? Like is it shirk in and of itself? Or not?
@Hikmah1995
@Hikmah1995 Месяц назад
​@@ldyttlAlso these kaffirs are treacherous. How many times have these votes been rigged live in the ppls of faces? Allah Subhana Wa Tala is in control of everything. Voting doee nothing.
@Ibnmehmed
@Ibnmehmed Месяц назад
No, none of the ulama hold the opinion that voting in a democracy is shirk. Only those following the way of the khawarij say this, those who say there are no muslim rulers in this day and age. Those whose shaykh is the charlatan scholar sayyid qutb. I advise you to learn your deen, my beloved brother, from trusted scholars and students of knowledge. I advise you with the student of muhammad hisham at tahiri: ustaadh abdul aziz al haqqan from "garden of ilm" My allah guide you and me
@AbuInayaAl-Athari-po3yj
@AbuInayaAl-Athari-po3yj Месяц назад
Akhi i dont know what you intended with what you said. But all the scholars said voting in democracy is major Shirk. As for voting for the bigger benefit and the lesser of the two evil's then theres a difference of opinion. But the Khawarij says its 100% of the time with no excuse. Maybe you intended it like this akhi​ @@Ibnmehmed
@Ibnmehmed
@Ibnmehmed Месяц назад
@@AbuInayaAl-Athari-po3yj may Allah guide you and me to the truth. Can you give an example of the scholars saying voting in elections is major shirk
@abdulhakamjibril
@abdulhakamjibril Месяц назад
​@@AbuInayaAl-Athari-po3yjAre you sure about this? What i know from the Scholars is that Democracy is Shirk and Kufr. So Voting in a Democratic System is by Default, "Assisting" in Shirk and Kufr. Please kindly bring the proof of a Scholar saying VOTING is actually Shirk in itself and not assisting in Shirk.
@KhalidAli-ju4lo
@KhalidAli-ju4lo Месяц назад
Brother this is not the right way of living your life. You should find a better path than this. May Allah bless you.
@jayoils123
@jayoils123 Месяц назад
Lol everything has to be tailor as a refutation lol smh. Like what about labelling it clarifying a issue
@nomadbiker4040
@nomadbiker4040 Месяц назад
To all these blind followers here pretending to be salafis who take the incorrect fatwa of a sunni scholar as if the fatwa is a hujjah in and of itself over the reality of the situation based upon daleel, fear Allaah ta'ala and make tawbah and accept the truth. Voting will not help Islam, Islam is not aided by sonething clearly haram and imitating the disbelievers. The issue of voting is not ijtihaadi. Jeylani is another confused camera lover who used to be with truth on this issue and others like tasweer but then went astray because of going back to the lands of kufr and sitting with ahl al bidah. May Allaah Almighty guide him. ⚠️Voting is no longer considered Ijtihaadi: Our Shaykh: Abu Hamza Hassan bin Muhammed Ba Shu'ayb, may Allah preserve him and may Allah continue to delight us with his knowledge, said: [Question] Are those who permit participating in parliamentary elections, declared innovators and misguided after being advised and given clarification? And what's the reply to the following statement: "The subject of voting is not from the subjects where the opposer is declared misguided, rather it's from the topics which are Ijtihaadi, and those that are known for good and Sunnah have given fataawa permitting it, the likes of 'Allaamah Ibn Baaz, and Al-'Utheymeen." [Answer] These were old fataawa of theirs, after which the harms of voting became clear, and our Shaykh, Shaykh Muqbil after this point said that the subject of voting is not considered Ijtihaadi. Rather today it became a distinguished sign of the people of bigoted partisanship, Wallaahul-Musta'aan. Source: Telegram channel of the Shaikh ___ Translated by: Abu 'Abdirrahman 'Abdullaah bin Ahmed Ash-Shingaani may Allah forgive him, his parents, his Mashaayikh, and the Muslims
@Ibrahim.l20
@Ibrahim.l20 Месяц назад
"It's not ijtihaadi because one sheikh said so" You're a clown, bro.
@nomadbiker4040
@nomadbiker4040 Месяц назад
@@Ibrahim.l20 its not ijtihaadi because there is clear evidence showing its not from islaam and imitation of the kuffaar and causes so many harms. Not because a certain shaikh said so. Sad you dont have some basic understanding. Get your head out of the dirt and stop blind following and following desires.
@Ibrahim.l20
@Ibrahim.l20 Месяц назад
So it's not sheikh vs sheikhs ok but Thats whole thing that's supposed proven isn't it @@nomadbiker4040
@sultanefaizal9520
@sultanefaizal9520 Месяц назад
​@@nomadbiker4040you are 100% correct. May Allah preserve Abu Hamza Hassan ba Shuaib
@Hikmah1995
@Hikmah1995 Месяц назад
@@Ibrahim.l20 Keep following your desires over the Quran, and Sunnah you ignoramus.
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