Reggie Miller is a good dude. When his gut feel take is wrong, and he realizes it, he admits it, owns it, corrects himself and moves on with a good laugh.
it's weird because he was largely known for being a thug on the court but the NBA let it get to that point, he would've cleaned up well (changed his tactics) in this era.
Reggie Miller is a delight to listen to..... he has this sort of pause and then tell it all style thats so genuine... feel like he is talking to you directly...
Reggie is a real smart dude - always like his analysis. It is comical how people are still abscessed with Laimbeer even today ... he really got into everyone's head.
Bill Laimbeer's HOF resume. Final Four at Notre Dame, the only one they ever had. NBA rebound champion. 2nd best rebounder in the 1980s. Better than 80 percent shooting at the FT line for a center. Long consecutive games played . Great outside shooter for a big man. 3 NBA Finals. 4 time All Star. 2 time NBA champion. 5 times coached a team to the WNBA Finals. 3 time WNBA champion. 2 time best record in WNBA. Took 2 franchises to WNBA Finals. Took 3 teams to the WNBA playoffs. So how is Teresa Weather spoon, Becky Hammon, Dawn Staley in the HOF when they never won a WNBA title and Laimbeer has NBA and WNBA 5 rings? Hell, how is Swing Cash in the HOF and Deanna Nolan is not?
@@lavarivy2259 EXACTLY! He formed a dynasty in Detroit. Of the 6 NBA and WNBA titles the city of Detroit had won, Laimbeer has his hands on 5 of those rings, more than anyone associated with the Pistons or Shock.
Yeah I always knew Laimbeer got more time on the court plays and action than Rob but the gap in points between the two is better in Laimbeer's favor. Robert is all time best 6th man in the NBA with 7 rings.
"Big Shot Bob" is living testament of Red Auerbach's adage: "It doesn't matter how many points you'd scored. It's how you scored the points." He made the most of being the recipient of double-teaming caused by his all-star teammates. On one end, MJ23 enjoyed the best of both ends: Scoring in bundles plus the game-changing (if not the game-winning) shot.
I've been a pistons fan for 62 years. I am especially proud that the bad boys were the first team after boston and the lakers who won back to back championships. Bill Lambier, as much as Isaih thomas ran that team. The most hated player in BB., and yet the player ANY team would want. If he played in boston (i think this a quote from either kevin mcale, or john salley "if he played for boston he'd be voted one of the best who ever played for boston and he's be voted favorite celtic by more poeple other than bird.(yes more votes than bill russell)'
You should be proud of the Bad Boys. Y'all didn't have MJ or Magic or Bird. Isiah is an all time great but he was so little. Pistons did what they had to do to win.
I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. I am a black man and there is no way Ben Wallace should have made the Hall of Fame before Bill Laimbeer. The only stats Ben beat Bill in is blocks and steals, Laimbeer beats him in every other area. Laimbeer averaged close to a double-double for his career at 12.9 pts/ 9.7 rebs a game. Laimbeer could still get you a double-double until the last couple of years when his minutes were cut by almost 10 min. a game and his mobility wasn't the same. Laimbeer could play in any era and was excellent in his own. We have to start putting some respect on these other guys' names. MJ, Magic, Bird, and Dr. J were not the only great players to pick up a basketball in the last 75 years.
Bill Laimbeer is one of the leaders along with Zeke of a two time championship team that demolished Bird's Celtics and Jordan's Bulls. People don't like him that is why he is not a HoF
@@depannist True, but it was not all dirty plays. Laimbeer was also one of the most skilled centers. He was averaging slightly higher than 45-35-80 splits during his peak.
Put some respect on Ben Wallace. Im old enough where I watched both play and while I’ll always be a Bill Laimbeer fan, he didn’t impact the game like Ben Wallace.
@@Txjumpman yeah, but I can't understand why everybody talk about Ben or Billups but for some reason they hate Sheed. I'm a Spurs fan since they drafted Ginobili who was my favorite player here in Italy back then, and I think that without Sheed's foul trouble the Pistons probably can win game 7.
It's NOT THE "NBA HOF!" It's the "Basketball HOF." So you have to include Bill Laimbeer's other basketball accomplishments, he was an outstanding WNBA coach with multiple titles.
@Trzn 2 Well the point is the HOF is not just isolating someone's "NBA career." Oscar Schmidt never played a single NBA game, just played in the Olympics, and he's in the HOF... That's the point we're making about Laimbeer, you have to look at all basketball accomplishments.
Im brasilian 🇧🇷 I used to live in Boston about 1987 to 1992 but God Bill Laimbeer was much more than a tough player he was a first center who was really great to make 3 points in the 3 finals he player outstanding games and he deserves be in HOF ...It is politic nothing more than that...
People forget the alpha on that team was Mahorn He had a bruising style. Remember the original bad boys were Mahorn and Jeff Rulsnd Washington bullets. With Greg Ballard the other forward they were known as the “bruise brothers.” In Detroit Mahorn had a new bruise bro in John salary bill lambeer and Yvon Joseph along with Dennis Rodman was an improved version of the “ bruise brothers 2.0 with a new monicker the “ bad boys.” The bad boys start with Mahorn make no mistake and you notice players from that era bird, Jordan will call out lambeer but not the alpha, the leader Rick Mahorn. Probably for a very good reason. He would visit them. And say he was just being “friendly.” The original bad boy always had a way with words when he did speak. But Mahorn & ruland was absolutely beasts in the first incarnation in Washington. Never forgot the bruise brothers. 🤐🤭
It was Laimbeer and Mahorn, Mahorn wasn't the alpha. It was a two-headed monster. Just cuz Reg hated him more doesn't mean anything........Laimbeer was dirtier than Mahorn.
Larry put it best: "Mahorn hit you but you knew you were getting hit, he didn't try to maim you (though Mo Cheeks may disagree with that as Mahorn once knocked him out cold with a screen😂) Bill tried to hurt you ".
I've been Piston fan since the 80s. I loooove Laimbeer. "If Laimbeer was a Celtic, he'd be the most popular player in Boston history" -John Salley. But he isn't hall of fame worthy. Ben Wallace? Absolutely deserved getting in! He changed the game and no one talks about it enough! League changed to these soft rules AFTER the 04 season because they set every defensive record in the shot clock era. Those poor Lakers walked face first into a buzzsaw. He made defense beautiful to watch (sorry Spurs beautiful offense).
You are so full of sh__. By a mile. I wish you were next to me so I can slap you. The Celtics would never have a piece of garbage like Laimbeer on their team let alone the that he would do well. I am a die hard Notre Dame fan. Disgusted that this piece of garbage wore a ND jersey. He was a hack. Which comes from lack of talent. Very disrespected around the league except with piece of garbage Pistons fans who have little expectations. Look at Detroit as a city and the parallels stick. McHale could post and score. Laimbeer puts his foot down at a spot where the opposing player would step so he injured his ankle. If you and Dan Patrick, who I’m disappointed in, see him as a hall of gamer just ask yourself why he doesn’t have the respect of any team to allow him to coach there. I’d love to slap that piece of garbage Laimbeer for staining an NBA inform.
@@depannist i am biased ....no one i speak with ever mentions Ben lol ever..great rebounder ? yes best among the best but this is about defeng shots taken
The Hall Of Fame shouldn't be a popularity contest. I hated Bill Lambier but I'm very surprised that he's not in the HOF because he obviously deserves to be there. I watched him destroy my Blazers all by himself in 1990, he hit big shots, and was a defensive genius mostly for just being able to get his opponent's off their game by getting in their head. Give the man his much deserved props.
PLEASE do not put Robert Horry in the Hall of Fame. He thinks he could've D-ed up Scottie Pippen and told Tracy McGrady you need to "earn your rings" as if HE was responsible for his rings. For a guy who averaged 7 and 5 for his career, his ego is healthy enough...
if all you say is true, can we please stop calling Draymond Green a future Hall of Famer???? If Draymond gets in, Horry should get in. Horry wasn't called "Big Shot Bob" for no reason.
@@darylshackelford3673 haha well I know you probably don't like Draymond...but I have bad news for you: he is going to end up in the Hall of Fame. The fact of the matter is that the basketball Hall of Fame is really the Hall of Very Good (and sometimes not even that) and is far too easy to get into. Draymond is a 4 time All-Star, 7 time All Defense, a Defensive Player of the Year and played on 4 championship teams. As far as the basketball HOF goes...that's more than enough. And Robert Horry is not even close to being in the same league (despite what Robert Horry thinks). He is a zero time all-star, zero time All-anything, has zero individual awards...and for long stretches of his career wasn't even a starter. He's a guy who averaged 7 and 5 who played with a bunch of great players who got doubled at the end of games, so he was open for some big shots. Anyways, sorry for the rant.
@@Rodanguirus in my opinion he was 2nd best center in Pistons history, mostly because he had more success with the Bucks than Detroit. Wallace is 3rd in my book.
Those who saw the BB Piston Champion Seasons know that Bill Laimbeer should be in the Hall of Fame. He was tough but very talented too. He was so entertaining and a threat both offensively and defensively. The Detroit Pistons should push for this...It is only fair!
I saw them, and I don’t think Bill belongs in the HOF. Yes, he was a very good player, more than just a thug. But not every good player goes to the hall. The HOF is for the truly exceptional player, the generational talents, the people who change the game. Laimbeer just is not a HOFer.
@@76JStucki bro people like chris mullin, sabonis, divac are in the hof. bill automatically gets in then. if you talking about success, you have losers like mcgrady who never did anything except put up a flashy game and reg season pts in the hall of fame. pretty much when you have ppl like that in there you cant really argue bill is not in there
I have watched every NBA finals since 1965 and I think lambeer had to play dirty because he was a shitty player .Draymond can dribble and drive. Lambeer could not. He could not block a shot so people drove to the bucket on him. Watch all the dunks on him. Secondly, he was flat footed and had no post game. All he had was a shot and as far as rebounding all you had to do was turn you r back and block out. Most of his rebounds were on the defensive side of the ball. Offensive rebounds are much harder. He could not guard anyone today. There are so many better and more mobile centers. I would have loved to see him try to pull his shit on Willis Reed. He would have kicked Lambeer's ass. Reed was better at every aspect of the game and also had a wonderful outside shot. Lambeer got his just reward. He is not in the HOF(no one rewards a thug). He did not get a coaching job. He was basically kicked out of the league for being a total asshole. You know that this gets under his sj kin no matter what he says.
I witnessed both pistons championships a man would pick him 5 outta five times plus he had a trey ball so he helped spread the floor. Great rebounder too so under rated. Then you had James Buddha Edwards and John Salley to deal with. Buddha in his prime had a terrifying back to the basket turn around J.
There's some people that believe that the NBA conspired to break up the bad boys after the first championship that's how Rick mahorn ended up in Philadelphia
If it wasn't for the expansion draft, the Pistons don't lose Mahorn, and the Bulls do not win the championship in 1991. The expansion draft really benefited Jordan and made it possible for him to win the championship in a watered down league.
@@overratedgm5713 Wrong. Jordan still would've went crying to David Stern, and gotten him to change the rules, so they could no longer play their "Jordan Rules", and Mahorn (and he has said so in other videos) would've gone right along with Isiah, and walked off. Mahorn wouldn't have shaken hands with Jordan either. Jordan got him after he was in Philly in both the 1990 and 1991 playoffs.
Smart move by Dumars to warn Reggie of Mahorn -- probably knew he would try to attack anyway! Mad respect for Joe Dumars ... hated the rest of the Bad Boys! :)
No I think sometimes build a ability got overshadow billion bear was a great big man. He was a skill big man that only got appreciated later on when the NBA game changed so they're picking part of the stretch forward and all that laying bed was doing that way back then you know and he was tough for feisty player
The late 80's NBA was a tough man's league. Most teams tried to have a player that acted as an enforcer: Parrish for the Celtics come to mind. But teams other than the Pistons delegated that role to a single player. ALL the Pistons bought into that roll. It is just that Lambeer did it better than all the rest. Dirty? I don't know. If you do game films and know the guy is going to foul you hard if you come into the paint, and he does, why would you take offense to that. Play a different style to beat him out of his realm. Play outside away form him. Set plays to draw him out from the paint. You know, use your head to beat him. Like Lambeer was doing to your game. He played the game within the then current rules. Then the rules changed, and Jordan got to have his day. Lambeer deserves to be in the HOF for what he accomplished with the Pistons. He deserves a plaque in the HOF for his coaching also.
Even if you didn't like him because he didn't play for your team I'm sure you wouldn't mind having him on it? That style he played was how the NBA was played back then real tough!! He should be in the Hall of Fame regardless if u like him or not.
What planet is Dan patrick on there is no way laimbeer was better than Ben Wallace. Ben changed the piston franchise and was the driving force of the team and he’s a 4 time defensive player of the year are u kidding me.
@@drexlspivey3047 lol so you would say klay Thompson more athletic than Kobe, draymond more athletic than Shawn kemp, Devon Booker more athletic than ray Allen?
@@drexlspivey3047 100 times better than today. Rather see guys throw elbows than guys do little dances after making threes or flopping. Today is more shoot behind the line ball than basketball.
Bill Laimbeer was the better player but Ben Wallace was a way better defender overall. So, considering they would both be role players. Ben’s defensive ability may provide more for a team and be more effective than Bill Laimbeer’s overall contribution.
Bill was not a role player he was just as much a leader on the court and off as was Isaiah. Ben was great defensively but so was Laimbeer (granted not as good as Wallace) but Laimbeer was so better at every other part of the game. Although i love Wallace he really was a 1 dimensional player.
Hearing Patrick say Laimbeer was a much better player made my stock in his basketball opinion drop by miles. Only a good offball defender??? He stopped Shaq with the ball in the post and was quick enough to switch if they wanted. And "maybe" rebounding??? One of the best rebounders the game has seen. Like reg said maybe Laimbeer was more skilled offensively but defensively and rebounding wise it's not even close. The idea Laimbeer is a "much better player" is ludicrous bordering on asinine.
Lambeer averaged 9.7 rebounds. Wallace 9.6..Lambeer 13 points Wallace 6. Hey I loved both. But Lambeer wasn't sleeping on Defense. He was instrumental in Portlands collapse at home. With their Bigs being to agitated and not focused. Lambeer and the Pistons would have beaten Wallace and his Pistons. Had more talent and a better 1 /2 centers. James Edward's was pretty good. You think the Celtics were alter boys? The 80" were the best time for NBA. Because of team and frankly toughness. One on one. Teaming up like LeBron does. Basketball has been ruined by BS since. Draymond Green is a throwback. Now anyone who uses his physicality is a goon. Which is so dumb.
Reggie Miller was more fearful of Mahorn than Laimbeer because he knew Mahorn with that "look in his eyes" would have physically beaten him up. Laimbeer was all bark, no bite!
Terrible career?? Really? That’s the word that you choose? The guy played in the league for 16 years and was a uniquely important piece to 7 championship teams. No he wasn’t a Hall of Famer, but he’s one of the greatest ROLE players in the history of the game.
@@Riles3152 as far as NBA careers, outside a few big shots he was well below average, stats don't lie bud. I'm not hating, I think he is a really good guy and great teamate, but he never sniffed a good year, much less a good career.
Bill Laimbeer must be in the hall of fame. Everybody played rough. Remember Heat and New York? Bill had a good all around game and a leader as well very durable. Kids certainly would better themselves if they look at his skills and hard work in getting rebounds and playing defense.
What the hell? Lambier over Ben Wallace???! Ben Wallace was absolutely limited offensively. But the man is a 4x DPOY and did so while playing in arguably the most talented era of Centers and power forwards of all time. Ben was able to give Shaq a respectable challenge. If Shaq played against Lambier (in any era) Shaq is going to ragdoll him. BBQ chicken! The fact that a 4x dpoy and formidable shot blocker is being questioned in favor of a guy who could hack a lot and shoot a little bit is surprising to me
People forget that the whole Bad Boys thing came about because Isaiah and Dumars were constantly getting mugged and never getting calls. Look at the way McHale and Parish used to go after them in those Eastern conference playoffs and regular season games. Parrish and McHale were just as big of goons as Mahorn and Lainbeer. Then Detroit realized they were never going to get any respect from the league because the league wash pushing Magic vs Bird and then Jordan became the golden boy. So the Pistons got physical and took what they were due.
With today's sports conditioning, Bill Laimbeer would be another Nicola Jokic in today's league. Rick Mahorn was the true enforcer of the Pistons, not Bill Laimbeer.
They should have won 4! The league created the "bad boys" they were tired of getting cheated so they took matters to the level they needed to in order to get the results they deserved. This team had a better win percentage over Boston, LA, and Chicago.... Enough said
Have to heartily agree, Dan. For whatever reason, the league turned on the BB after their first Championship win. And it has nothing to do with playing dirty. Watch any rivalry during the 80s and you'll see all kinds of rough play coming from other than the Pistons!
Rick Mahorn was the initial Bad Boy, came on the team and took Lamb, Dennis & comp. under his wings and taught them how to do it. He was exceptionally strong so he wasn’t fighting all the time, because he would just kill somebody there.
Rick Mahorn was not the first Bad Boy. Laimbeer got there in 82 and he already had a reputation. Mahorn got there in 85, and he was fat and out of shape and didn’t want to play in Detroit. He and Laimbeer butted heads until Mahorn got motivated. Isiah and Bill were the two guys who set the culture. Mahorn was a great addition to what they were already building.
if Robert Horry somehow makes it into the hof then guys like Steve kerr and Derek Fisher might as well be hof too, having alot of rings doesn't mean they were great players maybe just solid role players
Ben Wallace was the ONLY ALL STAR & All NBA player on both of his Finals appearances. With 2 of his 4 DPOYS before Sheed joined the team. Imagine the Warriors going to the Finals with Dray as the Only All Star & All NBA player on his team 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 Also, Ben has 3 top 10 MVP finishes. BEN IS 5X ALL NBA
I am a Detroit fan, but Wallace was not a HOF player. Of that Detroit team, the only player whose basketball resume speaks HOF was Rip Hamilton, a NCAA champion, a Final Four MOP and a NBA All Star who broke Isiah Thomas' team career playoff scoring record.
@@blacknetsmed Ben Wallace was the biggest liability. In 2006 they won 64 games, lost to Miami because Pat Riley took advantage of his poor foul shooting. He was a one dimensional guy, hardly a HOF talent.
@@123slasher.16 Yeah, I'm not sure ben was the best player on those great Pistons teams in the mid 2000s....I'd maybe lean towards chauncey or Rip for that. I think Ben is deserving of being in the HOF, but I can't look passed how terrible he was offensively...He really couldn't score at all unless it was a layup or a dunk, and was a terrible FT shooter. He also had a very short prime (only about 5 years of peak greatness), so there's that. I feel like he is deserving of being in, but if he's in, Bill should be too...and maybe Chauncey and Rip
Big Game Bob averaged not 8 ppg - he averaged 7 ppg for his career. Also 4.8 rpg. His best single season, he averaged 12.0 ppg for Houston, starting all 71 games he played that season. His best rebounding season, he averaged 7.5 rpg for the Lakers. Laimbeer averaged 12.9 ppg and 9.7 rpg for his entire career, with several seasons averaging around 17 ppg and 12 rpg. Horry totaled 7,715 career points and 5,269 career rebounds - Laimbeer totaled 13,790 career points and 10,400 career rebounds. Laimbeer almost doubled Horry's career totals, playing in fewer games than Horry did, because Laimbeer was a starter for his entire career, while Horry was mostly a role player that came off the bench. I personally don't think EITHER should be in the HOF on their stats - Laimbeer played on a title-winning team and had a major role getting that team to it's 2 titles. Not just from one shot a game, but for the majority of games. He is miles ahead of Horry in deserving the HOF......
I agree. Based strictly on their playing careers I wouldn't place either in the HoF, but Laimbeer (much as I dislike him) definitely has a stronger claim than Horry.
And that's it - those 8 points were deadly - Horry might have 4 points entering the last 5 minutes of the game but those other 4 or 5 points inside of those last few minutes were going to kill your spirit - dude was a better clutch player then a lot of these so called clutch performers (not naming any names tho 😂) - he took less clutch shots than other guys but hit more percentage wise - Horry belongs in the Hall of Fame simply because of the big moments and big shots
I would put Bill Cosby in the Basketball Hall of Fame before I put Bill Laimbeer in. Anyone who deliberately tries to end people's careers will never be considered by me.
Being the best player and winning an awards are two different things. We know Kobe Bryant is a better basketball player than Steve Nash but Steve Nash has two MVPs
Bill Laimbeer was just one of the few centers, during his time, that could shoot from the 3 pt. line pretty well. His average 3 pt % was 28 to 33 percent. Apart from that, all his other statistics were of decent NBA players, like bench players I'd say. But to put him in the Hall of Fame? Nah, there are WAY too many players that could get into the Hall of Fame before Laimbeer. But he should NEVER be inducted into it. If this happens, then the human race has no hope of evolving and just avoiding inevitable stupidity lol
