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Question:is reinforced deep slate wither proof 1st idea:98% you will not have pistons in a cell and if it was made with netherite it would also be able to be penetrated 2nd idea:60% the door creator knows red stone so the blocks are moving and it will reset the break time same could go with netherite but if you did do a check then they would not have picks and do the same with the cell 3rd idea:89% of the time you built in in creative or if you are the prisoner then who built it so they probably have no limit and a strong prison in survival you can only go so far without making a mistake or building it unsecured Conclusion:it is wither proof because guess what the whole question was if it was either proof not player proof so either way it would have been Note:this was a personal comment/opinion not to create hate but was just pointing it out Ps:it was mainly to point out the flaws in your thinking it doesn’t mean it was bad but yah
@@hanjjaze I mean, you could always try to incorporate the ancient cities into a prison, although I don't know what role it would play in containing the prisoner. Perhaps acting as a nearly impenetrable wall, floor, or ceiling (Taking into consideration of the generation of reinforced deepslate)
but if u read the 1.19 update it says that reinforced deepslate can be moved by piston so is it a bug that they made it in to a feature or was it intentional
Seeing as the moveable by pistons thing is a bug, they are actually decent. The only thing is that they are technically a lot easier to mine with nothing on you, but at the same time, there are no arguments to be made for it anyways since you won't be able to move them around.
well same could be said about bedrock, but there are already people who obtaind bedrock item in survival using glitches, considering that , they are basically nerfed bedrock that is rarer
@@fj094t58qjf this glitch is very specific to bedrock, doubt it’d be possible to unload an entire deep dark city to obtain reinforced deep slate like they did with the end gateways to get bedrock
@@WorriedTheif Oh yeah, cause the devs of a game not wanting to add 1 specific feature you want for 1 specific scenario is because they're lazy & totally not because of other reason.
He should have just started the video with "It's an experimental version and they don't work as intended. They're supposed to be unbreakable and unobtainable, and pistons moving them is a bug."
Hear me out: Build the prison in the snapshot where Reinforced Deesplate is piston-moveable, then upgrade the world to the full version of 1.19 where Reinforce Deepslate is immoveable.
Thats invalid, making a prison in a different version and upgrading the world to another is completely invalid as it is an improbable situation when you try making one in an smp (which is why prisons are supposed to work on servers and have to be buildable in survival)
1. reinforced deepslate is not meant to be moved by pistons. 2. it's not meant to be picked up 3. it's already been found to be a portal 4. it's like the end portal but at the moment more mysterious 5. it probably won't have a use for the next couple updates.
0: sorry for the 1yr late 1: What does the whole "its a portal" have to do with anything? Even if this was true, it's still useless in escape rooms. 2: even if the piston thing is unintentional, at the time of this video, it was a big problem. 3: it still takes 80 seconds without items to mine it
@@imdarkmonster3697 this is a comment on a video about how deepslate shouldnt be used for escape rooms its stupid to comment on something else that isnt the main topic/completly different
Gonna debunk the two comments I see the most: 1. "Use alternating deepslate and obsidian." I came up with this design while recording, In a way its easier to get through because you dont need to equip your flying machine such that it doesnt get stuck to the walls because well... half the wall is obsidian (flying machine proof) 2. "Deepslate is still secure as a gate if you have mining fatigue." Yes it is... but so it dirt. My point isn't that it doesn't work as a gate, my point is that netherite is still cheaper and MUCH stronger. Sure it may ultimately be an insignificant difference but if its slightly worse why would you switch...? If reinforced deepslate came out in 1.16 and netherite came out in 1.19 we'll assume everyone would've been using reinforced deepslate for gates. So lets say 1.19 comes out and you found out that there was a pistonable block (netherite) that was more durable than what you had been using, wouldn't you switch to netherite? If so.... why would you downgrade in this scenario?
respectfully, I think ur point about gates didn't bring anything. from what I've interpreted u said that netherite is cheaper and stronger. But at this point no one cares about cost or else mythrodak's argument against guardians would make sense, and u also didn't say anything about netherite being objectively stronger. u just said that it was stronger which is why it's better, but that's not an argument. u may argue that ur video explains why netherite is better than reinforced deepslate, but the argument I put up in the comments came as a response to ur argument. But instead u generalized comments somewhat similar to mine (aka comments explaining y reinforced deepslate wouldn't be literal shit) to: "Mining fatigue would still make reinforced deepslate gud". Understandably the majority of comments were probably like that and missing my comment would be very easy but I think u dumbed down the pro reinforced deepslate gate argument.
Forget about netherite. Use a lot of cobblestone generators. It's technically possible to make one that someone in creative mode would be unable to break through.
EDIT FROM COMMENT: ok (point 2) other blocks is same but seriously if you get past mining fatigue to escape somehow you would MOST likely have items like max "netherite pickaxe " (surprising right) that would take like 16.5 times or more longer (assuming 5 sec or under) when if you have netherite gates or any other moveable block (afaik) like bruhhh and if they have no items AND synch up gaurdians like... (ok fine advantage here but pretty demanding) TLDR: the real potential in DEEPSLATE is default mining time for this block is universal, no matter the tools or effects you use it will always stay the no less than 80 (aside from haste) netherite doesn't have this therefore less secure and "COSTLY" wow that has definitely been the priority of prisons lol
@@l.a.m.a1358 he did show that netherite is objectively stronger. reinforced deepslate takes 80 seconds to mine with your fist. netherite takes 270 seconds to mine with your fist.
Build your prison while they're movable, and then once they fix that bug start using it. The only problem is that unless they also make them unbreakable, you'll end up with a wall that people can (slowly) mine through and which can never be repaired.
It will be invalid though, it's an improbable situation for an smp which prisons are supposed to be built in, that's why prisons should work on servers and buildable in survival, same thing applies to escapes, they have to be done in multiplayer
@@AnEnderNon you'd have to find an smp that uses a snap shot version (which is already rare) AND uses it for a long enough time that you can build a prison with it AND you'd have to get all of those too (elder guardians, obsidian and redstone) for the prison before it updates or you'd basically be stuck. Plus you wont be able to patch escapes with upgrades (there are still escapes that dont require block breaking, quite a lot actually) because the blocks would be unbreakable and plus, you wouldn't know when the server updates unless you are the owner (in which case you can just /ban the person lol). So yes, it is more improbable than making a normal prison (which is less redundant and time consuming) because while this is time consuming, this is just pure luck and chance with roughly 1.134x the time needed to make a normal one
2:08 This is still snapshots and stuff but I think a good solution for the final version whould be: its unbrakeble unless you use a netherrite pickaxe and then it still takes 80 seconds. If you use a diamond pickaxe or lower or fist whatever you cannot break it and it acts like bedrock. That whould improve this block a lot.
It would make more sense if diamond could break it to, but takes twice as long. Although, they might not make this the option. It might be an unobtainable block due to its possible use as some sort of portal, and we don’t even know what that theorized portal is yet.
Imo it should drop with silk touch. The fact that some things don't drop even drop with silk touch means that there should be a silk touch 2 which is (un)obtainable.
The thing I'm confused by... if it's a structure made to basically force the wither to not cause damage to the landscape... then why does it matter? If the wither can't break it, then the wither can't break it. Kill the wither and get its nether star. It could be that I'm misunderstanding the argument, which I can say would be fair, but it seems like a pointless criticism if the block is just meant to stop the wither. If it was meant to stop players then it would be bedrock
Bedrock can be broken, and even mined to be stored in a chest for later use. SciCraft has already figured out how to do it. And yes, he _really_ needs to be clearer on what exactly he is talking about. (I understood none of his maths at all!)
reinforced deepslate is still good someone did math, and if you have mining fatigue 3, you're gonna break one block of rd in nearly 9 hours. another solution to breaking, are chunkbans, tnt minecarts behind walls, pistons moving every 10 seconds, withers, lava and water behind block, to damage and slow down player. all combined would be nearly impossible to break, only a player with a lot of patience could destroy at least 1 block of this kind of wall. it would take more than a day, or even a week, to completely break the wall, so if anyone would try and destroy this kind of wall, they would probably die irl.
@@person8064 what kind of idiot would try to punch through a piston door with their fist? they would obviously use some kind of pickaxe. and if they wouldn't then you may as well use iron blocks because those also take pretty long to get through and are way cheaper
Solution: use a perception box (however unlike the ones I create, make it unbypassable with a pickaxe), then a mixture of obsidian (so you cant use flying machines), and tons of layers of the new block. (so you cant use withers) and i know you can just break the obby with a wither but if you use alternating patterns you will need to kill the wither after breaking the obby to have the flying machine work, and as far as I'm aware, this is incredibly inefficient and time consuming, and since Because a perception box takes 5 minutes to actually work, it would notify the guards before you even got past the 3rd layer of obsidian. From there a guard can just go outside and kill the wither.
I did consider an alternating pattern but its not all that time consuming, in fact its easier to go through because half the wall is obsidian so the flying machines don't get stuck as often. That's why I figured it wasn't worth mentioning. Also you doing have to kill the wither every time you just have to turn off the drill or lure it out. Also the whole "guards come out and kill wither" thing has never made sense. What if you ban the guards before you start? What if the escapists place a ZPI? What if the escapists build a drill defense around their drill? No wither escape has ever been countered by a perceptions box. So sad. Anyway back to work I go!
Minecraft wiki said it can't be pushed by pistons though?????????????????. Oh it can no longer be pushed by pistons so it's more useless but with creative mode yeah now in survival mode you can't even pick it up and basically it got upgraded. So it probably won't take 80 seconds to break with a fist either Mojang saw this video or found it out themselves.
rd might be used for portal in future cuz in game files the mini portal structure thing in ancient city is called portal or has portal in the file name
i think that since the RD is immune to enchants it would be better than other blocks bc with efficiency v you could mine through obsidian and netherite blocks quickly but with RD it's still gonna be incredibly slow, not to mention you will most likely have mining fatigue if it's used for a prison.
i feel like you could do a checkerboard pattern of obsidian and reinforced deepslate, and mirror it on the other side, like how pandora's vault did it, and combine it with elder guardians and chunkbans
0:46 You can just place 50% Reinforced deepslate and 50% Crying obsidian. 1:43 I think this will be fixed so that it's harder to break with fists, and you most likely will have mining fatigue if you are at prison. And i think there are no useless blocks in the game, you can at least use it as creative building or decoration block.
You can also just make use of the fact the blocks are movable and have then shift positions periodically. Just push them aside for 1 tick then push them back, resets the mining process. Set the clock to cycle the blocks every 79.5 seconds for a troll, or every 60 seconds if you want to err on the side of security.
it's only useful in creative for creative building..nothing more..which means it's useless for most players along with the fact it isn't a particularly good looking block and harder to utilize in builds so most will probably never use it!
yeah i thought about this and figured it definitely wouldnt make *anything* wither proof due to pistoning. I could see an alternating pattern with *very occasional* single Reinforced Deepslate blocks to maybe increase the effort required to wither in? but I don't think it really does much, you're still just having to mine in with a straight line, just alternating wither cannon and flying machine. And it probably will get removed anyway.
It’s not supposed to be able to be piston-able. Devs said they don’t like the idea. Even if it was though, it would still be wither proof. Wither cant destroy it, and that’s what makes smthn wither proof.
Ancient city’s don’t seem to be as rare as you think.. what I’ve noticed is each deep dark biome can have multiple ancient city’s not too far apart either. Also at the beginning of the video I said something about how the closest one was 300 blocks away- no matter what it’s going to be 400-100 blocks away since it Spawns really low and the locate command does factor the depth in. Basically you should subtract the amount of blocks down it’s away from u. Yes those blocks count but it also gives the impression it’s further away. The closets I’ve found was 240 blocks away HOWEVER that was the locate command in reality using spectator mode it the closest edge to spawn was roughly 50-100 blocks away and a bit down (the spawn was on a hill) I think a better refence to use is the distance from x 0 z 0 Why? It’s just simpler and also eliminate the use of the locate command and allows u to tell how far away it is from ur reference without accounting for the depth. (Fyi to find the seed with it nearby spawn it didn’t take too many tries tbh)
if you make it a checkerboard pattern of reinforced deepslate and obsidian that inverts each layer, you can create a wither and piston proof wall, and while yes they are planning on getting rid of the movability by pistons, you can just have it set in the specific version that it does. so yes you can use them to witherproof a prison it's just really difficult
One detail that cancels out the fact that it moves with pistons and breaks in 82 seconds: you'll never get it without cheating. It is equally destroyed by the forehead tool, but does not fall out even with a Silk touch. In general, it was supposed to be indestructible and unmovable, but apparently something went wrong.
Well I think for gates reinforced deepslate actually has an argument. Yeah netherite is stronger against a fist, but that's a fist. There's no way a prisoner/visitor can stall 80 seconds to break one reinforced deepslate. If an intruder comes in I think it's worth it to have a block that breaks in 80 seconds no matter the tool. But hey I could wrong since I know basically nothing about 1.19
May I make a suggestion: half obsidian, half reinforced debris, with each surrounded by 6 of the other. Wither-proof? Yes. The debris stops the wither from getting far in. Flying machine resistant? Kind of. The wither you used to get through the obsidian is now in the way of the machinery to get rid of the deep slate. You would have to pull the wither out so it doesn’t kill the machine, so It’d be as much of a logistical mess to mine through this as it would to build it, but it IS possible. Note you’re gonna need some crazy siege tactics to pull it off, but it can be done.
You're forgetting a few things: 1. You aren't supposed to be able to get this block at all. 2. The structure it's part of in the city is just an Among Us "sus" meme anyway, so...
Oh damn I didn't realize that this was good for wither cages. Less goo. Also Irk if you can move the blocks you have obsidian for that purpose. Also moving wither cages pog.
Kenadian: "Sure it works for withers but here is proof they don't work for withers!" Kenadian: *Uses pistons completely unrelated to withers as it was an Unintentional game design*
hmm what about covering this with lava . . would putting a big cobblestone generator / regen wall in front this eliminate of the slime weakness ?? I think it would help quite a bit . . but do you think that would be enough ???
I guess one possible use would be making layered doors with one layer as netherite, then reinforced deepslate, and so on for a few layers. Or using them to trap withers.
wait but what if you make it along with obby, like for example, in a grid style with half reinforced deepslate and half obby, that makes it really hard to break because the slime ship cant pick up obby and obby can be blown up by withers but withers destroy piston ships which makes the reinforced deepslate unbreakable until the wither gets killed, then you would have to repeat this process for a long time before you get into the central parts of the prison? and by that time guards would be preparing for a defence system as they could see with xray and stuff.
imagine a prison where theres an elder guardian and a 1x2x5 path of reinforced deepslate surrounded by bedrock but at the end theres a sign saying "you took the easy route. go back the other way" and the other way is just a 1x2x5 path of netherite blocks
Deepslate and nether rite is the equivalent of this: We know swords and knives, right, you know marble? That’s knife proof I think… now Kevlar or Aramid. The reason that Kevlar or aramid is used in knife proof vests is, Kevlar protects you from a AK-74 or aramid doesn’t crack in half!
mixing reinforceld deepslate with obsidian would require a wither and a flying machine to be used at the same time which would threaten the integrity of the flying machine and thus not only cut down on the deepslate but also decrease one of the biggest deepslate weaknesses
i would much rather have the reinforced deepslate block the ability to mine all surrounding blocks in an area around it (perhaps with a way to claim its effect using some hard to collect materials thus allowing you to break blocks around it) the fact it would be pistonable would make it possible to remove, but teadious that way you have to move it.This addition would make it actually usable in prisons and possibly could make them inescapable (the many reinforced deepslate scenario) without the use of glitches. The whole idea of needing to place pistons to move a block that disables the ability to place blocks could softlock you after one wrong move and even if its possible to remove one or two multiple would be a nigthmare as without any space without its new effects you could not remove the already placed flying machines.
what if they mix netherite block and reinforced deepslate like one layer is deepslate, then the 2nd layer is netherite block, then another reinforced deepslate. will this change anything? or is it still easy to escape/break
You could put reinforced deepslate in between netherite blocks for a door so if the person trying to escape had a pickaxe the guards would have at least 80 seconds to capture him
I mean, maybe have it as an outerwall, one for knowing if someone is attempting a break in. Sure, it'd mean having more guards, but for some prisons, it'd help still. Just knowing someone is attempting an escape can make it harder.
I'm not saying it would fix every potential problem but you could layer obsidian, so even if one gets removed the other one won't. You have to make a hybrid piston extraction wither machine
In gates, a three-block gate with reinforced deepslate in the center and netherite block outsides could be useful as mining quickly will be slowed significantly, giving guards time to reach the player, and still rertains the long breaking time by fist. Since a player with a pickaxe will likely already alert guards, it is useful at least in this way. In short, it isn't useless for prisons, although the use is mostly sidenote-big.
