Religion Debate Afterthoughts  

Michael Jones Is the GOAT. Shamoun is definitely high up there.

Aloha SnackBar! 🍩🍭🍫

Sam you have done a great job in the debate and destroyed the two imposters.

Thanks Sam. God bless you. We need to get you on the crucible with Andrew Wilson

Sam is a blessing

Don’t forget Rob Christian

Christian Prince?

@@DanielCamargoTalks I agree totally with your last point. I noticed the same thing.

lol “Ijaz performed very well”, if you really think that you’re mentally challenged

I pray that too, May the LORD Jesus who loves us and whom we love and adore never let me get puffed up, but crucify my flesh and save me from myself so that he lives in and through me, and all of us.

​@@shamounian😂😂😂😂😂You have been already crucified don't worry

@@radijaye7435 you mean your d-0-g Muhammad already got mounted by his satan Allah who did muta in his arse by stuffing the black stone up his hole, the same thing the Shia did to your umm. So I am not worried. Thank Jesus your d-0-g Muhammad is burning in hell. HAHAHAHAHAHA

no. he has to learn how to control it.

@@margaretbingham468 amen

Shabir Ally annihilated him. Ahahahahahaha

@@terrencescott8260 will do. Thanks!

And Rob Christian too!

I first listened to Christian prince for like a year but when he directed one Christian convert from islam to Sam shamoun that's when I realized that the Bible is a true word of God man Sam is filled with the Holy Spirit

CP 'specialism' is Arabic and Islamic law and Jurisprudence. He knows the Qur'an. He is the Islamic apologists worst nightmare. I don't think he claims to be as authorative on Biblical scholastiscm

Sam is better because he knows both. CP seems to avoid Biblical discussions for a reason.

@@MrLosches CP is amazing in what he does. Sam is like a living encyclopedia, understanding of texts in multiple languages, and can debate a Jew, Christian, Muslim, or Mormon on the spot, sometimes not opening any refrences, just off the top of his head.

​@@MrLosches CP only avoids Muslims going to the Bible because he knows it's a diversionary tactic. It's what the Muslims do time & again, & he understands how to nail them. CP is only willing to go to the Bible for sincere Muslim callers who are very rare.

@@mudaaa1015 thank God for them all!

They all have their purpose

@@IdolKiller absolutely. I saw Jay debate Jake the Muslim Metaphysician a while back and he really shined when it came to attacking Jake’s epistemology.

They lost the debate. They had no answer for the logical problem of the trinity.

@@AlonzoHarris235 false.

@@IdolKiller What was their answer? What was their logical answer to the logical problem of the trinity? The Father and Son have different thoughts. They have different knowledge. They have two distinct minds. Three minds is three gods. They had no answer. Sam didn’t even try. He ran to the Quran for a strawman. His strawman is also incoherent. He claims the Quran affirms the bible. ‘Therefore you can’t have an objection to the trinity.’🥴 He claims at the same time that the Quran is inspired by Satan. He claims that Satan advises Christians to follow the bible. It proves how incoherent this uneducated person is. He only has rhetoric and insults. There is no substance.

@@IdolKiller What was their answer? What was the answer of Sam for the logical problem of the trinity?

The Christians couldn’t even defend the trinity. They had no response for the logical problem of the trinity.

​@@AlonzoHarris235what is logical problem in Trinity and Not touheed ??

@@Ninaa_75 amen

@@SspaceB exactly. That’s what made Sam’s response to the question about western scholars so great. He said I don’t need western scholars when I have your prophet. lol.

Bro torah and the gospel are not what you have today. Is that hard to understand??? You admit you lost most of it but still claim you got the whole thing? Make it make sense. When Jesus was preaching the gospel(The actual gospel that was revealed to Jesus) to the people, I'm sure 100% that he wasn't preaching mark, Mathew, Luke and John lol. An that is the point we are making.

@@Rain_berries Your claim is self refuting. If we don’t have it then neither do you. And if you don’t have it then how can you be sure it’s not what we find in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John?

@@NickNorelli And that's where the Quran comes in. The Quran confirms all the previous scriptures that were revealed to the prophets that came before it. In Quran 5:48, it says "We have revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ this Book with the truth, as a confirmation of previous Scriptures and a supreme authority on them. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed..." So whatever the Quran says Jesus said or Moses said or Abraham said etc. is what we believe to be those scriptures. It's just that simple.

@@Rain_berries prove that the Bible of today is not what they had bc when I see the Dead Sea Scrolls and quotes from the Church Fathers, it seems the same.

Trying to avoid the trinity by giving a meaning of the intervention of the Quran is a joke. The intervention is not of the words themselves but the deeds the same as the fast will come to intervene would you say that he also has a mind

@@radijaye7435 trying to avoid Allah's gonads, bodyparts and talking Quran by focusing on the Trinity shows that you are a joke like your d-0-g muhammad is a joke. We smashed your god. Live with it, stone kisser.

@@radijaye7435 Do not get your point. What are you trying to tell?

@@enockt6218 All the questions asked by muslims about trinity were avoided and to hide that,sam used a strawman where he tried to make an argument that muslims are beliving that the word of god has a conscience. the hadith talks about the rewards of the Quran and how it will speak by god order. How we know that .because hadith also state that fasting will intervene for people. Are we saying it has a brain to ? Nop it's the deed and for the speaking part we bleive our hands .... will speak by gods order . So instead of defending and explaining trinity he start attacking with debunked arguments.

@@enockt6218 Sam dodged the debate topics. The topic was not the trinity verses the made up theology of Hassamo Shamoun. The topic was the trinity versus tawheed. He couldn’t deal with real positions. His opening statement is not even talking about the trinity. He completely dodged the topic.

CP is great, and his knowledge is deep into the hadiths, being a native Arabic speaker, and I love most of what he does. Sam is like a living encyclopedia, he knows history, religious texts, multiple languages, and deep understanding of theology. Both are great.

@@catholicrusader7 that’s what people keep saying. I’ll have to check him out!

​@@NickNorelliChristian Prince ftw! The man is lowkey hilarious. Muslim: Are you Christian, CP? CP: No, I'm a Hindu named Christian Prince. 😂😂😂

They couldn’t handle the heat.

@@Triniforchrist true indeed. The veracity of the Christian Scriptures is not in question. As Daniel Wallace says, “we have an embarrassment of riches.”

@@NickNorelli Daniel Wallace denies that you have the words verbatim of Jesus. How do you know what he really said?

@@DoseOfTruth365 will do! And I agree, Jay is more than capable. I saw his debate with Jake the Muslim Metaphysician a while back and he handled him easily.

Absolutely. I'm not sure why Muslims keep challenging Sam. It must feel like getting in the ring with prime Mike Tyson.

@@SheikhTrev lol Amen

@@SheikhTrev right?!!

You are trying to convince yourself. They failed in all three topics. Sam couldn’t even defend the trinity. He ran away from your core doctrine.

@@AlonzoHarris235 Said the guy spamming Christian comment sections coping. Just admit it. You follow the religion for ego and nothing else lmao. Truth is completely irrelevant and that's how you can get curb stomped this bad and be this delusional.

Pisslam have preserved poof in the Quwrong...

@@your3amthought I’m familiar with David Wood. He is good.

@@marcusdavenport1590 lol

@@emmanuelgary4402 😂 thanks! It’s actually a Funko Pop album of Thriller. God bless!

@@bisikuku8376 agreed.

It’s not don’t dishonest. He is right. The scholars you use. They can’t demonstrate that Moses wrote the first five books. They are just claiming that based on belief. It’s not based on evidence or a methodology.

​@@AlonzoHarris235so why don't you prove that opposite... Oh wait... You can't... Please stop acting or pretending that you can... Recycled nonsense arguments from dead people don't work on the living... Time to give up

Nah bro Sam is better🗣🗣🔥

But both are like Messi and Ronaldo🗿

@@etseredouard3146 it’s not a competition. Both can be great together. As long as they’re arguing for the kingdom of God.

@@henriqux8 better than Arab who’s mother tongue is Arabic lol I’m a an Army Chaplain, I have a masters of divinity degree…pastored for years, also married to an Arab. Same talks like an academic which can lose people a lot. Christian prince makes it very simple, practical, understands the culture because he lived in it. Islam is an Arab religion

​@@henriqux8 Sam said Christian Prince was his teacher on Islam. CP can read and write arabic so he debates sheikhs in islamic countries

No I didn't learn from Christian Prince. Stop lying. Christian Prince is a brother but he is not a teacher of mine. Never lie like this again.

Not sure where you got this from. Sam has been demolishing these pagan dogs for decades. CP is awesome. But he wasn't Sam's teacher

stop bullshitting seriously

@@lovkushkumar thanks!

@@NickNorelli keep up the work. Will support u

@@lovkushkumar I appreciate that.

@@theologyroom He never did. He gave up on the trinity.

​@@AlonzoHarris235 I was busy beating down your satan Allah who got dismembered and spent the rest of the night running after his bodyparts to try and gather them together.

@@AlonzoHarris235Allah is subject to the same problems. Do the attributes possess aseity?

Sam cooked Allah who said the trinity is him, Issa the fake Jesus and Mary...😅😅😅

@@TheGoogleScholar ru-vid.com5R6kmc2n4pI?si=WapAfV6z5ZHxyzpa

@@NickNorelli thank you!

Trinity is biblical. You should become a christian. Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the *Father* may be glorified in the *Son.* If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it. If you love me, you will keep my commandments. And *I* will ask the *Father,* and he will give you *another Helper,* to be with you forever, even *the Spirit of truth,* whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. ”For this reason I bow my knees before *the Father,* from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named, that according to the riches of his glory he may grant you to be strengthened with power through *His Spirit* in your inner being, so that *Christ* may dwell in your hearts through faith” Ephesians 3:14-17 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of *the Father* and of *the Son* and of *the Holy Spirit"* Matt 28:19 "Now when all the people were baptized, and when *Jesus* also had been baptized and was praying, the heaven was opened, and the *Holy Spirit* descended upon him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven, "You are *My Son,* the Beloved; with you I am well pleased." Luke 3:21-22 "And because you are children, *God* has sent *the Spirit* of *His Son* into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!" So you are no longer a slave but a child, and if a child then also an heir, through God." Galatians ”Peter an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have been chosen and destined by *God the Father* and sanctified by *the Spirit* to be obedient to *Jesus Christ* and to be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in abundance.” 1 Peter 1-3 ”Who is it that conquers the world except the one who believes that *Jesus* is the Son *of God?* This is the one who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ, not with the water only but with the water and the blood. And *the Spirit* is the one that testifies, for *the Spirit is the truth."*1 John 5:5-6 Genesis 1:26-27 - When creating humans, God speaks in the plural: "Let *us* make humankind in *our* image, according to *our* likeness." Genesis 3:22 "Then the LORD God said, 'See, the man has become like one of *US,* knowing good and evil...' " Genesis 11:7 - Seeing the tower of Babel, God again speaks in the plural: "Come, let *US* go down, and confuse their language there, so that they will not understand one another's speech." ”'Whom shall *I* send, and who will go for *US?”* Isaiah 6:8 “Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from *the Father* the promise of the *Holy Spirit, He [Jesus]* has poured forth this which you both see and hear.” Acts 2:33 “However, you are not in the flesh but in *the Spirit,* if indeed the Spirit *of God* dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit *of Christ,* he does not belong to Him.” Rom 8:9 ”How much more will the blood *of Christ,* who through the eternal *Spirit* offered Himself without blemish to *God,* cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?” Hebrews 9:14 ”But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the *Holy Spirit,* keep yourselves in the love *of God,* waiting anxiously for the mercy of our *Lord Jesus Christ* to eternal life.” Jude “Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I called! I am He; I Am the First, and I am the Last. My hand laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand forth together. Assemble, all of you, and listen Who among them has declared these things? The Lord loves him; he shall perform his purpose on Babylon, and his arm shall be against the Chaldeans. I, even I, have spoken and called him; I have brought him, and he will prosper in his way. Draw near to me, hear this: from the beginning I have not spoken in secret, from the time it came to be I have been there. And now the *LORD GOD* has sent *ME* and *His Spirit.”* Isaiah 48:12-16 How does God send God and the Spirit Of God?…….TRINITY!

@@Catholic-Christian genisis 3.22. One was God WHO was 2? God =father Scond =???

@@zulfiqarashraf5619 2. The Son/Word 3. The Holy Spirit

@@Catholic-Christian trinity God son holy spirit is equal to each other. Where is the there is the father where is father there is holy spirit in same place ? Right ?yes ?

@@zulfiqarashraf5619 Yes they are equal. ”The grace of the *Lord Jesus Christ* and the love *of God* and the fellowship of the *Holy Spirit* be with you all.” 2 Cor 13.14 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of *the Father* and of *the Son* and of *the Holy Spirit"* Matt 28:19 And the earliest christians believed in the Trinity. Pope St Clement Of Rome, AD 96. ”for as God lives and as the Lord Jesus Christ lives and the Holy Spirit,” 1 Clem 58 St Ignatius Of Antioch, AD 107. “In Christ Jesus our Lord, by whom and with whom be glory and power to the Father with the Holy Spirit for ever” (n. 7; PG 5.988). ”For our *God Jesus Christ* was, according to the appointment *of God,* conceived in the womb by Mary, of the seed of David, but by *the Holy Ghost.* To the Ephesians, chapter 18. ”Study, therefore, to be established in the doctrines of the Lord and the apostles, that so all things, whatsoever you do, may prosper both in the flesh and spirit; in faith and in love; *in the Son and in the Father and in the Spirit”* To The Magnesians, chap 13. St Polycarp Of Smyrna, AD 108. “O Lord God almighty . . . I bless You and glorify You through the eternal and heavenly high priest Jesus Christ, your beloved Son, through whom be glory to You with Him and the Holy Spirit, both now and forever” (n. 14, ed. Funk; PG 5.1040). Athenagoras Of Athens, AD 175. ”If, therefore, Plato is not an atheist for conceiving of one uncreated God, the Framer of the universe, neither are we atheistswho acknowledge and firmly hold that He is *God* who has framed all things by *the Logos,* and holds them in being by *His Spirit.”* ”For, as we acknowledge a God, and a Son His Logos, and a Holy Spirit, united in essence- the Father, the Son, the Spirit,”

@@icoreyr ru-vid.comUgkxjjjPfbSgwNQ1bIPmFboNcF8MeP_OnWkK?si=5t_In6HRR2G_9gyA

@@NickNorelli Thank you!

@@LeaveMeAloneBleez I didn’t know they did that.

@@NickNorelli imagine with me for a second, a bunch of men with swords coming to your village, conquering you, forcing you indirectly to join their religion while offering almost no evidence that is coming from god, their prophet can't perform any miracles and they don't have a book yet. and if you don't pay them money, they will kill you and make your wife,daughter,sister and mother sex slaves for their men to enjoy, and when they get bored of them they will sell them or trade them for other sex slaves (sex slaves glitch), and also enslave your children (remember that you can have sex with a 9 year old) and also steal everything you own, money, land and possessions (definitely only following god and not your desires "money,power,and sex") how can you convince me this is not coming from the devil

@@NickNorelli imagine with me for a second, a bunch of men with swords coming to your village, conquering you, forcing you indirectly to join their religion while offering almost no evidence that is coming from god, their prophet can't perform any miracles and they don't have a book yet. and if you don't pay them money, they will kill you and make your wife,daughter,sister and mother sex slaves for their men to enjoy, and when they get bored of them they will sell them or trade them for other sex slaves (sex slaves glitch), and also enslave your children (remember that you can have sex with a 9 year old) and also steal everything you own, money, land and possessions (definitely only following god and not your desires "money,power,and sex") how can you convince me this is not coming from the devil

@@NickNorelli lmao I write it again and then they delete is instantly

imagine with me for a second, a bunch of men with swords coming to your village, conquering you, forcing you indirectly to join their religion while offering almost no evidence that is coming from god, their prophet can't perform any miracles and they don't have a book yet. and if you don't pay them money, they will kill you and make your wife,daughter,sister and mother sex slaves for their men to enjoy, and when they get bored of them they will sell them or trade them for other sex slaves (sex slaves glitch), and also enslave your children (remember that you can have sex with a 9 year old) and also steal everything you own, money, land and possessions (definitely only following god and not your desires "money,power,and sex") how can you convince me this is not coming from the devil

Allah lost the debate. He couldn't defend his own unity or why his own bodyparts talk to him. He couldn't defend his own trash called the Quran or why he had his d-o--g Muhammad confirm the Bible if it is corrupted. He had no answers as to why Jewish and Christian tradition condemn his d--o--g Muhammad for beung an old pedfer who mounted a 9 year old, when other traditions say a girl must be post-pubescent. An objective person will admit Allah got spanked and his d-0-g Muhammad got exposed again, and that not not even the black stone was able to defend these 2 pagan stone kisser. Allah couldn't defend tauhid so he ran away to kiss the black stone.

@@AlonzoHarris235 were we watching the same debate?

@@NickNorelli Have you watched the debate? What was the answer of Sam for the logical problem of the trinity? What was the answer of the problems with the authenticity of his scripture? What was Sam answer for the morality of the bible? He had no answer. ‘Your Quran affirms my bible. Therefore you can’t make these accusations and claims.’🥴🫠 That was his ‘answer’ to all the objections of all three topics. How is that an answer for the valid objections? He just ran away. He couldn’t defend anything. He has no answer. Imagine if I argue like this in an academic paper. They will laugh at me for dealing with the objections in this way. Even his red herring is incoherent. He claims the Quran is inspired by Satan. He also claims that the Quran teaches that Christians should follow the bible.🥴 He is basically saying that Satan advises Christians to follow the bible. You can clearly see how incoherent he is. He did this because he can’t defend any of the three topics.

@@AlonzoHarris235 now turn the same criticisms back on the gentlemen you’re defending.

@@NickNorelli Alonso is a troll who trolls comments but is never man enough to defend his satanism. best to ignore him as everyone else does.

@@AlonzoHarris235 since John buries your d-o-g Muhammad. And this shows that you guys are as illiterate as Muhammad since it entails circular reasoning.

@Alonzoharris235 poor momo lover doesn’t understand a circular argument 😂😂😂

He couldn’t defend Christianity. That’s why he tried to impose positions on others that don’t exist. He had admitted that tawheed is superior to the trinity.

@@AlonzoHarris235 Allah couldn't defend his d-0-g Muhammad and so tried to attack Christianity but failed. He then got busy chasing down some of his bodyparts he lost after this debate.

@@AlonzoHarris235 I didn’t see that admission. Point me to it.

@@NickNorelli He didn’t address tawheed. That’s an admission. He had to create an interpretation of the Quran that nobody holds to. Nobody calls his made up interpretations of the Quran to be Islam. He did this this because he can’t deal with real theology and real position. That’s an admission that he concedes that tawheed is superior to the trinity. Imagine if the Muslims claimed that the trinity is 7 persons. They will be laughed at. That’s actually what Sam was trying to do with his opponents. Trying to force non existent interpretations and positions on others. That’s a clear sign of defeat. He has no arguments against the real theology and position.

@@AlonzoHarris235 Muslims claim that the Trinity is shirk, no? But no Christian holds that position. No Christian believes that the Trinity amounts to polytheism or idolatry. And yet Muslims accuse Christians of it all the time. Why? Because you think that’s the logical entailment of belief in the Trinity. Unless you’re here admitting that you understand the Trinity to be monotheism. If that’s the case, then amen.