Remapping President Sunday's BRAIN With Ape War Conversation 

The beginning made me appreciate Tyler's ability to talk normal.

Tyler's stream is objectively the better of the two. President Sunday, pros: - Westside Tyler, pros - bunnycam

I feel like Sunday is forgetting that nations can be different than states and nations can go to war, all while having incredibly loose/nonexistent borders because they are nomadic and or follow the animal migrations, etc... Also without maps. Chimps also have the shrine tree phenomena, which may itself be a primitive form of border/landmarking.

They get caught up with the word border which is not relevant to the point. Animals do 100% understand zones of control, anyone with a dog knows this.

Two men so smart the brain has grown into their colon.

Yep this is what I was talking about When I commented on Sundays debate with Xanderhal's friend Ethan This is exactly how he acts when he gets called out in debates or faced with an argument he can't fully win on

I don’t know what it is about president Sunday that makes me dislike him on a purely instinctual level.

I don't know why "What the hell are you looking at, Tyler?" Got me laughing so hard.

An hour of pseudo-intellectual semantic posturing from Brooks and Sunday lmao

I could never take President Sunday seriously after he spent a year defending Professor Flowers only to be shocked when she ended up calling him a racist at the end of it. Brooks seems cool even though he's wrong about apes not going to war. It's just a fact that they do and we've known this for decades.

the fact they keep describing boarders and then saying they arent borders is something.

I feel like Sunday needs a visual representation of how you're explaining how connected zones of smells can form a line.

Ah, I was looking for more smart ways to be stupid too

I’m not the quickest person, but don’t most people understand that animals have territories, and that they patrol and defend the boarders of those territories. Sometimes those territories get lost to stronger animals in fights. Humans, as animals, also have territories and patrol and defend the borders, using methods other than pee and teeth. I don’t understand what the argument of bonobos warring over borders is. Is it just the word war being used?

Loved this debate! Got just the right amount of spice

I will refute this entire debate, Bonobos are primates and not monkeys, thank you and goodnight.

"There no discussion happening in anything that was going on. There was no conversation. It was a weird chase down odd lanes that didn't have to do with the thing before it, gesturing at some odd vibes and never actually dealing with the critique of the question at heart." Literally every Westside Tyler debate so far.

It is wild how much of this discussion was dedicated to not defining terms. Tyler seems like his definition of war is, "Organized violence between groups." Then Sunday said, it's not war when animals do it because animals don't have maps. And the other guy said it's not war because experience is subjective and words mean things. Would have been great -- and probably saved a lot of time --if the others put forth their definitions of war.

Major loss of respect for prez for this. He really lost his cool.

The longer this semantics-war goes on the more it feels like the debate equivalent to a bunch of headless chickens running around in circles, and I love it. It's like the opposite of bloodsport debates, because everyone's too confused to even land a hit. Apes definitely go to war, though.

Been skipping several times troughout the video and every time Prez Sunday talks, he's talking about something completely incomprehensible, like he's an alien or just really high. Whenever Tyler talks, it feels like a snap back to reality.

“You can’t see smells, so there can’t be a border! So when I take a nasty fat dump, I just stay in the bathroom and huff it up because there’s no border where the smell ends anyway!”

For every thing the beard guy says I have to replay every sentence 10 times only to not at all get what the fuck he is talking about. He will go off on super specific tangents and then almost skip over his actual point with an overly expensive word. This is a type of gish gallop. Because I feel like most of what he is saying is not directly relevant to the argument or to the point that he is making. From 35:20 to 36:12 he is basically just saying that people tend to anthropomorphize which is not an accurate way of viewing the world. I learned this in high school biology class so it is not that profound. But he doesn't just say that, he continues talking about super-specific philosophical concepts that are not necessary to make his point. They actually distract from what he is trying to say and are completely incomprehensible to everyone except the 5 other people who have also read the same book he has. It is the Jordan Peterson gishgallop, people can't argue against you if they don't understand what the fuck you are talking about.

"The Bard".

Less than 1 minute in and i literally can't understand what the grug with the beard is saying

@Westside Tyler this discussion got off in weird directions but they are touching on something important- non-humans do not have or place importance on object-permanence. There is no war. The chimps just keep bumping into eachother when they're after the same thing in the same place at the same time during a percieved shortage. They dont go out of their way to find eachother because the other chimps were never the goal- only an obstacle. They dont have a concept a lasting conflict- they just know coming into contact with really ANY animal, and competing over a resource, will come to blows. The conflict ends at line of sight. There is no concept of a singular event encompassing all these conflicts they can understand to have begun, or end. They dont sit around picking bugs out of eachothers hair ruminating "war, when will it end?" Its just "hey there's another ape over there- and he smells like a bitch. gimme that fucking apple, I'm hungry"

I stopped watching the convo between Sunday, Counterpoints and Tyler when in the beginning the video went on 2x speed to completely skim over Tyler and Connor's opening statements. Wildly snake shit.

Oof Pres, not your best outing. Hope to see more Tyler × Sunday connection, though, you guys complement each other pretty well

Br👀ks

The comments are intense, some people take this so seriously 😂. They haven’t yet realized people can disagree, argue - even shout - and still be cool afterwards. I recommend trying it.

Is there anything more absurd and embarrassing than grown ass people advocating ad nauseum for precision in language over something clearly known and understood by ALL parties anyway, *just* for the sake of proscriptivism, in some weird attempt to protect the integrity of language...a mechanism of communication that derives literally all of its utility by way of being able to change with the times it's in, and the people using it, which by the virtues therefrom PROVE the need for a descriptivist, fluid and changing quality? ... oh wait, yes: arguing against this obvious fact by misquoting AND misunderstanding Shakespeare's clear and impassioned argument for exactly that. I hate Dennis Prager with a firey passion, but i once heard him say something that encapsulates a lot of this video's content: "To believe something that stupid, you HAVE to have gone to college." ... all of that probably sounds especially venemous. I don't really mean it that way. It's just like... that was 70 minutes of a literal argument over semantics when all 3 people came into the discussion knowing PRECISELY what was meant in the first place.

Now THAT was mint, would love to see y'all do more discussions X33

Love this shit right here🎉... The problem here is the definition of war is quite nebulous and the way we use the word war can be quite casual or Academic🤷‍♂️... Different perspectives💃🏃🕴🕺👨‍🦯🧍‍♂️

Hold on, I'm gonna need a helmet on for this one.

This was fun in a painful way

INSANE title bro

BRAIN

i think that people dont want animal to have agency and thats just it, they "can't"