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Remington vs Winchester!...BUDGET 9MM Battle! Self-Defense Without Breaking The Bank?

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Testing some "budget" 9mm hollow point ammo from two of the big names in the game, Winchester white box and Remington UMC. Can you get good performance at a low price? Heavy clothing ballistic gel test using the Canik Mete MC9!
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@rob.3575 Год назад

Both of these rounds were great. I'd carry either with confidence that they would work just fine, and have money left over to buy a six pack of a non Budweiser product.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

🤣🤣🤣

@luissquinones1071 Год назад

Non Anheuser-Busch products

@nikos6220 Год назад

On a very lean Bud Light drinking opponent I am sure they‘ll work just fine. Otherwise I personally would like to have a bit more horse power than 300 ft-lb

@dennislydon-dt4mq Год назад

Becks NA for me. 10 1/2 years recovery.

@Nutty.357 Год назад

FDM!! :D

@allenbolen9705 Год назад

Nice to see some budget rounds performing well! It’s nice to know how different rounds perform.Thanks 👍🏻

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Definitely😎👍

@EC-mc7vg Год назад

Great performance from both. I have used them for years. With the speed and weight of 115 grain 9mm, especially from the small, short barrel pistols, there is only so much expansion performance to be had without losing most of the penetration performance. These two rounds both had a good balance of expansion and penetration. Thanks for the video.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Agreed. I was surprised, especially being from the 3" barrel.😎👍

@margarethouse404 Год назад

Yes . On one hand , from 3.5. - 4 inch bbl they would expand even more , particularly the UMC which is barely hiting expansion threshold from the short bbl . But it also shows that even " medium performing " 115 9mm from shortest bbls , will outperform Any .380 .

@robertkubrick3738 3 месяца назад

@@margarethouse404 Except the .380 might be the pistol you actually have on you when you need it. The difference in size and weight between my 380 and Micro 9 means the 380 is for summer fashion and the Micro 9 is winter fashion. I'd love to carry the 6 inch barrel N Frame S&W I have had more than 40 years...but there might be talk.

@CarolinaRimfire Год назад

Wow! Excellent performance, especially for budget jhps! Paul Harrell said Remington green and white box was the best "bang for your buck" jhp, but I guess we can add Winchester white box to the list too (at least the 115gr 9mm stuff). Thanks for the great test!

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

😎👊

@rayburn8282 Год назад

Paul Harrell is a smart man. I could listen to him all day

@gk5891 Год назад

It is for Paul Harrell with his local ammo situation. For me the best bang for the buck varies. Currently: 9mm Fiocchi Defense Dynamics 124 gr at $0.50 round. Of the tested ammo... Under 4" - Winchester Over 4" - Remington

@CarolinaRimfire Год назад

@@gk5891 I know what you mean. I don't often see Remington G&W box jhps around me. Hardly ever. It's very easy to find Winchester jhps around here though. Ammo markets are very local.

@rickytaylor5076 Год назад

Looks like we waste money buying 20 rounds of premium "defensive " rounds. Buy the white box or umc and you can practice with it and still have some to carry all from the same box. Put these "budget rounds" up against "premium " outta that 3" barrel. Let's see what all that extra money gets you.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Might need to do that.😎👍

@DFMM05 Год назад

@@ToolsandTargets would be great if you try this… no one have done it before 👌🏻

@user-uc5sn4tp3f 9 месяцев назад

( Backstory too long ) The main difference between modern Era " super- duper LE technology " vs " the best of the Proven Classic Era Loads " is barrier blindness . ie shooting felons by shooting thru windshields and car doors . But since the general public rarely conducts felony vehicle stops, it's usually not a meaningful shortcoming .

@sinisterthoughts2896 5 месяцев назад

@@user-uc5sn4tp3f you mean criminal or suspect. A felon is someone convicted of a felony. Not necessarily the same.

@rjw261984 Год назад

Great results from both "budget" carry rounds. Appreciate you Tools! Hardest working guntuber. 🇺🇸

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Thank you sir.😎👊

@tylerd8516 Год назад

The premium carry ammo took a big loss today 😮. Great video 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

😆😆😆

@margarethouse404 Год назад

Actually , who took the biggest hit are the cynics who are categorically skeptical of the $$ of premium ammo as being all hype and price gouging , and thus use FMJ . At this price point , no reason to not use them . And feasible for those people who want to do extensive practice with with actual carry rounds . Are ( some) more modern rounds more better- er ? Sure . But these , and the similar Federal 9BP in plain white boxes , are " more than plenty adaquate " .

@hoffpbass Год назад

Really impressive, both. I wouldn't expect 115gn to get that penetration after expansion. Really nice. And for Remington to achieve over 1100ft/sec from a 3" barrel is stellar, too. I know I've seen it on the shelf recently. It would be worth a box at the right price. Tools, another great PSA you did here. Have a great week ahead.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Thank you sir. I'd carry either one.😎👍

@petemidwest1071 Год назад

Good to see out of a short barrel. Was starting to think finding expansion from a 3” barrel was a exercise in futility. Good vid brother!👍🏼😎

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Thank you sir.😎👊

@CrashRacknShoot Год назад

Best part is, it's damn near some of the cheapest stuff you can get! Gotta love a real bargain

@Chris_the_Dingo Год назад

Remington UMC is what I've carried for a while. Always seems to get decent reviews, and cheap enough for training. Thanks for the video!

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Appreciate you checkin it out!😎👊

@ronaldbarnes8302 Год назад

Nice seeing the budget rounds performing better than some premium ones. Definitely will keep my eyes open for these. Thanks Tools!

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

😎👊

@deletdis6173 2 месяца назад

Cough *Speer G2* Cough

@toneyholcombe7088 Год назад

I used to stockpile the UMC as backup back in the Walmart days. Both look good and worth putting up a few boxes

@1erinjames Год назад

Agreed!!

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Yep. I picked up a good bit from wallyworld back then, myself.

@randyduncan795 Год назад

Nice performance for budget ammo out of a short bbl! If you shoot more someone will complain about messy tracks. If you only shoot one of each someone will complain of small sample size. Thanks for the great presentations.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Thank you sir.😎👍

@RL-RL Год назад

WWB has always been a great cheap, dependable round that from I've seen, always works just fine. Thanks for another great test!

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

😎👊

@LuckyDog350X Год назад

Don't you just love when you find a more budget friendly option that performs better than some of the higher priced stuff. Have a good one brother see you on the next one.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Yep 😎👍

@markg5077 Год назад

Thanks for all your time and hard work on these videos. I carry the UMC because I can get it for less and train more with it

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

I would have no problem loading them up.😎👍

@Astro_touches_children Год назад

Yep. I like being able to practice with the load I carry. I've trapped one in milk jugs full of water and actually had a little better expansion than tools. I carry the UMC because it groups great out of my EDC.

@SneezyRatSpat Год назад

These test videos are fantastic. Thank you for putting in so much research for us T&T!

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Thank you sir.

@CricketSP Месяц назад

I haven't been into shooting for 8 years, just got back into it and I am glad i had stock piled 100 round boxes of UMC 115 gr jhp from Walmart when they sold handgun ammo. Looks like i like i am set for a while. Thank you for this video.

@ToolsandTargets Месяц назад

Nice 😎👊

@kirkmooneyham Год назад

Tools and Targets, you do some of the best ammo testing out there. You're consistent in your testing and that matters. So, whoever is trash-talking you, if they don't like what you do, they should pony up the money and time to do their own testing. Because you know what? I didn't pay anything to get this info other than a couple of bucks for electricity and data. That's darn good value in my personal opinion. Thanks and keep up the great work.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Appreciate that, brother.😎👊

@destroyingdadxx2274 Год назад

Paul Harrell would be proud. He likes the cheap Remington green and white box stuff.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Did a fine job on this one.😎👍

@robertkubrick3738 Месяц назад

Revisit. Thanks again for the tests. Someone was telling me (at a gun shop while I was buying my first 9mm ever, but not my first pistol) that heavier bullets have lower velocity and less recoil (possibly he meant felt recoil), like 147gr 9mm. I prefer the Winchester WB so I plug the recoil into the calculator for both and the 115gr shot a little lighter than the 147, lower recoil velocity and lower total foot pounds of recoil. Moral of the story is take every theory you hear at the gun shop with a grain of salt. The theory Almost made sense because my 1911 sure does rack a world easier.

@stevenwilkinson8373 Год назад

Thank you for another great video!! When I decided to slip down to 9mm from the FUDD caliber and after watching so many videos testing Hyper (i.e. expensive) ammo and comparing to the WWB 115JHP I chose it as my EDC and practice round. Buying in the 500 round case pack drops the price even more and makes 100 rounds a week practice so much more affordable

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

It is a plus to be able to practice with what you carry.😎👍

@gwidwock 11 месяцев назад

I was really surprised that the low budget ammo would expand so well. They both did a great job. Thanks for this video.

@mk.1175 10 месяцев назад

Budget box ammo same brass and primers and powder As the premium stuff just different bullet sometimes. you basically paying for nothing When you buy a premium

@PatriotPaulUSA Год назад

Great idea for a comparison Tools! I love the Remington UMC for a less expensive HP ammo. I always keep a bunch in 9mm as well as a smaller amount of a couple of the premium sealed, nickel plated, brands. I shoot a lot of UMC though. Its great for practice and target shooting without going broke. Remington makes a FMJ in 9mm 115gr UMC just like the HP shown here. It can save a few bucks more for target shooting an plinking as well. It seems to have the same POI for my 9mils. Its good to see Paul Harrel was right about these after all these years as well. Thanks for testing and showing us this Tools. This is good news for many of us on a budget or fixed income folks as well.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Definitely good to have some options that are priced low enough to stockpile a little.😎👍

@balancedfordaylight1 Год назад

any time I see the 115 grain white box stuff at academy I grab a box or two, looks like they are a good "buy em cheap stack em deep" choice

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Yes indeed.😎👍

@Dwayne7834 Год назад

Very good performance from both rounds . They both would be worthy to carry. Thanks for the video.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Yessir. Both of em surprised me.😎👍

@rdmercer2451 10 месяцев назад

Great comparison test! Might be interesting to see how these two fare using a 9mm revolver like a CA Pitbull.

@bigbossman3806 Год назад

Pretty nice results especially considering these are standard rounds, much better results than I expected and I would certainly feel confident carrying either one. Great test.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Thank you sir.

@ratroute8238 Год назад

In 2019 I could find the UMC 115 gr HP in 100 round value packs at Walmart for $32...times have changed, FOR SURE!

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Yep

@joeyphillips1181 Год назад

I really appreciate how accurate you are because I've done some home test and with HP's your not familiar with your doing good to hit the block honestly lol i've screwed a few tests up grazing the jugs 😂

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Yeah, sometimes they have a mind of their own.😆

@1madmaxx80 Год назад

Some nice budget bangers! Gonna have to keep my eye out for some locally. Thanks again Tools for another great test! 👍😎

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Yessir.😎👊

@1madmaxx80 Год назад

@@ToolsandTargets You save people like me a bunch of headaches, time & money! Maybe even save a life if we were using some bunk ammo for self defense that we thought was as good as the box said. Appreciate ya 👍😎

@A_Brit Год назад

I prefer more rounds in the gel. I can see what I need to know from penetration, expansion, and consistency. What happens in the gel are just icing on the cake.

@alm9951 Год назад

I thought you were gonna say what happens in the gel stays in the gel.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

😎👊

@220swift7 Год назад

I have carried these in the past, and wouldn't hesitate to carry them in the future. I do prefer the HST 124gr, but these old school loads will get the job done.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Yessir😎👍

@robertkubrick3738 3 месяца назад

Thank you. I bought the Winchester based on your tests. I wanted a soft (ish) shooting 9mm in case my wife was using it. The fact that you can buy the same ammo to practice with is a bonus.

@mikecon7634 Год назад

Looks like I saw fire flash in the jelly at the 6:30 mark.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Yeah, It's oil based gel so you can get that combustion similar to a diesel engine. It seems to do it a lot more now that I use the cloth. The bullets create fine cloth dust in the gel so it catches a lot easier.💥🔥💥

@bigtrev761 Год назад

🇦🇺😎👍And we all love a little 9 mm action 💪…The white box is my friend🏁…WOW I’m surprised…I’d be buggered if I could put them in the Jelly contraption as well as you do…..the white box down here is the cheapest and the bestest🏁…. Great expansion🏁from both ….Great science, great test my friend….Thankyou Sir….. White box 147 grain hp floats my boat 😉👍….have a nice day 🙂

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Gonna have to sling the 147 through the cloth soon.😎👊 Thank you sir!

@peelreg Год назад

You are a genius at choosing tests worth watching. Test of cheap ammo that actually will work will have great appeal. You are also a very good shot. Well done.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👍

@randyhavard6084 Год назад

I'd be happy to see either one of these on the shelf

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

For sure.😎👍

@keithreh9338 Год назад

glad to find this video...just snagged last 2 boxes of Herter's 115gr jhp for $13 each (50 rd boxes); the current manufacturer of Herter's ammo is Winchester...

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

😎👍

@shawnsadventures2852 6 месяцев назад

"Big corporate " jelly time😂 some of those crack me up

@tomemery3916 4 месяца назад

Good performance from both. Thank you for taking the time & being thorough.

@stephenparchewski1998 5 месяцев назад

I’ve shot Remington UMC ammo before (9mm and .44 Mag). I found that UMC green box ammo is a bit hotter than others out there. Not saying it’s the best to shoot, but it’s fast. Anyone out there shooting a .44 mag lever action should try the Remington UMC 180gr PSP ammo. It’s FAST!

@steelpunisher6944 Год назад

Wow! That was actually impressive results. I wasn’t expecting either one to do that well. I will definitely grab some when ever I see them now. Excellent test 👍🇺🇸

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

I definitely didn't expect em to get through the cloth like they did.😎👍

@AK-ky3ou Год назад

I stocked up on wwb back in 2012ish. Damn glad I did.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Nice to have.😎👍

@gaylenstone9329 11 месяцев назад

I just bought a Taurus G3c 2 days ago from my local Rural King and they had boxes of the Winchester White 115 grain hollow ponts, 25 bucks a box/50 so i got one of those, a box of Silver Tips and 2 boxes of Winchester target/range fmj. Im glad to see these rounds performed well in your testing along with the Silvertips in the other test. I have the Silvertips in my primary mag and the white box jhps in my backup mag. The Remington green/white jhps vanished around here a few years ago, never see them in store. Even these Winchester 50 round boxes of Jhps are rare anymore. Federal Punch, Sig V-Crow, Ammo Inc and Sierra are mostly what you find around here and from multiple tests on youtube the ammo inc and Sierra in 9mm are terrible performers so usually just suck it up and pay 25 for a box of 20 Punch or Sig, was nice finding the WWB

@30rdmaga Год назад

My local Cabela's has these both at great prices as well

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Good stuff.😎👍

@southernPacificRR Год назад

I did some testing with the 40 sw Winchester white box and it performed better than the Remington umc 40 sw. I used the g27 for my testing tool. Awesome showdown with two budget 115 . Thank you

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Thank you sir.😎👍

@furmanmackey5479 Год назад

One of the main reasons I enjoy your videos the way I do is that you don't just test "exotic" ammo or "race" pistols. I'm always pleased when you run a few rounds of ammo that us average folks can find on most any shelf be it in a big box store or a Mom & Pop hardware/pawn & gun store. Now that it is getting warmer, I'm more inclined to carrying my one and only 9 Minimal (a Taurus G2C and two spare magazines). First up in the ammo rotation for my pistol just happens to be Remington UMC 124grn JHP though, now that I have seen this video, I might have to consider the lighter bullets like you tested. Keep up the great work you do!

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Thank you sir. Some of the pistols I see on video thumbnails look like they cost more than most of the cars I've bought.😆

@furmanmackey5479 Год назад

@@ToolsandTargets We've probably been watching some of the same videos....And I KNOW some of those guns cost more than some cars and pickups I've owned!!!

@nigeltheoutlaw Год назад

I like that those winchester white box did decent. Confirms some other tests ive seen. Thanks for the test.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Both of em surprised me.😎👍

@chretired Год назад

Tools, I think you have a future in comedy, you can get on out of here it ain't going to happen. That was classic. Nice test with surprising results. Either one would do the trick. Wonder how they would perform from a PCC? Not only did they perform well enough, but the fact that you get 50 for a price comparable to 20 or 25 of the others makes them a winner. Be vigilant and always be safe my friend.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

😂 Hopefully I finally have a 9mm carbine coming in next week that I've been trying to get a hold of.😎👍

@beakfish7319 Год назад

Im impressed! I told my brother in law yesterday to switch out his winchester white box hollow points out for some better ones but i will have to tell him i was wrong!

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

It surprised me.😎👍

@williammccaslin8527 Год назад

I use to shoot the UMC' s about 20 yrs ago, Walmart 100 rd bulk buys, an we knew they had more pop than other factory loads. Only tested them in full size 9mm pistols tho, never shot them in micro's pistols, only carry newer SD rounds in the micro daily carry, mite have to try those winchester's tho. Thx for the vid

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Good stuff through the little shorty.😎👍

@Nutty.357 Год назад

Heck yeah! I'll take all I can get of BOTH lol! I have a few stacks of that Winchester but havent got any of the Union Metallic Cartridge JHP yet, I do like the UMC FMJ for target practice it seems a little spicy compared to blazer and federal ae and groups very nicely too! Great tests bro! Appreciate ya a bunch! Have a good one! p/s - was def windy out there lol

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

That wind is the most aggravating weather to me.😣😣😣

@keithtate1241 Год назад

Very nice performance especially for budget defensive ammo. Confirmed my choice of the Winchester I have been running after your first jelly test on it. Thanks for the video and keep shooting my friend 😊.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Yep. I was surprised but glad to see it.😎👍

@armorist6570 Год назад

As long as theyre cheap enough to stockpile or use in a sub-gun, hell yeah ill take em! Very glad to see how they performed. I definitely wasnt expecting much, especially from the Remington. Always happy to be wrong when it comes to stuff like this!

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Yessir. Glad to be wrong on this one.😎👍

@shawnsadventures2852 6 месяцев назад

I've still laughing about the 1 cylinder down jelly time

@Jazzman-bj9fq Год назад

You had me laughing pretty good @ 8:05.... "If you sittin' down there gettin' ready to type about me cleaning the gel between every test, go on and hit the backspace and then get on outta here!" ;D Good test though. I normally like the middleweights in +P flavor but this right here says alot about these 115's.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

😂 Appreciate you!😎👊

@Bob-lq9ys Год назад

Great test , for budget ammo it performed great , Thank you for all your hard work and keeping us informed .

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Thank you sir. They showed up for work.😎👍

@einarhornraiser9019 7 месяцев назад

Well, colour me surprised! I'd have never guessed plain ol' Jane Winchester white box and Remington green and white 115gr JHP would have performed so wonderfully in the gelatin! And in such a small barrel, too! I've been a fan of Remington green and white box in other calibres for unrelated reasons for many years, but doggone! If I see some Remington green and white 9mil JHP on the shelf, I might just hafta' snag it after seeing these results!

@TheCrewChief374 Год назад

Tools🤣 you know I just enjoy winding you up, and letting you go unwinding with CHIT CHAT'N and long drawn out RANTS😂 Needless to say, I glad you gave me some new ideas on how to do just that😂

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

🙈🙈🙈

@bw1819 Год назад

Another great test. I would say that was inconsistent expansion causing the deeper penetration.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Appreciate that.😎👍

@dwmaddawgs Год назад

Love the no BS, straight to the point type review. 🎉. When I look this stuff up, I really don't want to hear someone ramble on and on about their vacation or childhood. 😂

@kimness7796 Год назад

Thanks!!! This is why I have a G43 instead of a .38 snubbie. And these rounds weren't $1.50 each.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Glad to see em do so well.😎👍

@billdye3530 Год назад

Pretty good for budget ammo out of the Canik barrel length. That Canik is pretty impressive. Either round will do the job. Good info as always. Thanks. 👍 🇺🇸 🙏

@josephpacchetti5997 Год назад

Agree Bill, 👍

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Thank you sir. Both of em surprised me. Got my holster for the Canik in and closing in on 1000 rounds through it.😎👍

@billdye3530 Год назад

@@ToolsandTargetsBetter watch cause Little Woman might like that one also. One is good Two is better!! Lol

@nostrilnick Год назад

I love the word "contraption".

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

😎👊

@loctitecody7830 Год назад

This is a cool idea. I hope you test lots of different cheap hollow points.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Definitely have some more planned.😎👍

@ericbergfield6451 Год назад

Glad you redid this test with some basic stuff, I don't know anyone that uses them, but they're always on the shelves at the store!

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Did a nice job.😎👍

@timrobertson299 Год назад

I love the White box jhp. every since I saw your gel test results the performance was as good as the top tier defensive rounds at a fraction of the cost. I had been carrying the silver tips and still do but have a half dozen boxes of the white box on hand as well. the best part of the white box in my opinion is you can afford to practice regularly with your carry ammo. not sure what the UMC pricing is, I'm partial to Winchester but I have to give credit to Remington because they also make a good product. I'm not a metal urgist but I do bond ammo every day and normally a better quality cleaner blend of lead will give you the clean almost shiny appearance. I see some that has a very shiny mirror like finish and others so dull and grey to almost black appearance. as usual great informative testing!

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Makes sense. Thank you sir.😎👊

@Juan0481 5 месяцев назад

Appreciate you brother. I have boxes of winchester white box hp when i used to get them at Walmart back in the day. Id carry them based on what your test showed. Thanks!

@traumajock Год назад

I haven't seen those 115 grain JHP' Remington on the shelves since before COVID. FMJ, yeah. Academy has the WInchester.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

I think my local shop still has a good bit of em. I'll have to pay attention next time I'm in there.

@joncee4998 Год назад

Winchester white box is one of my go to's ! They never disappoint !!!!!

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Good stuff 😎👍

@garrettschienschang7898 6 месяцев назад

I have never seen the 115 grain version of the Winchester. It’s always been 147 at stores around me.

@neptunestrident4364 5 месяцев назад

This is why I don’t even bother with the “hyper” ammos

@shawnsadventures2852 6 месяцев назад

Damn!! Never thought they would do that good.. Might get some if cheeper than HST

@UsernameKhosh Год назад

Great job T&T. I use these alot as carry ammo. I have more premium stuff too, but usually I end up shooting vermin on the farm with my carry gun. I got sick of dumping $2 a shot hollow points into coyotes, skunks, etc. So mostly I carry these and xtp's. Xtp works great in flesh and blood.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Thank you sir.

@Hanover_Fist Год назад

Your gel testing is the best practical testing on u-toob.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Appreciate that.😎👊

@jasonnunya7000 5 месяцев назад

Great video. I certainly appreciate the testing and the unbiased opinions of the ammo tested. Thank you sir. When I want info on ammo, I know who knows what time it is.

@Adam-nv9zo Год назад

I'm honestly surprised you were wrong about these, but I'm not gonna say I'm mad about it.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Same here. 😎👍

@jimchambers7548 Год назад

2 of my favorite rounds, and coming from a short barrel does pretty.good

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Yessir

@brianshuler6951 10 месяцев назад

It is interesting that a few years ago a similar test was done that resulted in the Remington having the superior terminal performance. I have no idea why, but, I think it supports your conclusion: Neither is spectacular, but, both can out perform fmj if they are what you have available.

@prepperoverwatch7965 Год назад

Nice results for standard stuff. I love the slow mow, Flash & Thunder jelly time. Lol

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

💥😎👊💥

@007twm Год назад

I buy 115 gr Winchester White Box JHPs when I find them. I also buy Speer Gold Dots when available. Thanks for another great video.

@rsbreeze Год назад

Good stuff! I've shot a lot of Remington UMC and WWB fmj for target practice and have good luck. They seem to be loaded up pretty good. WWB is usually pretty dirty, so you get a lot of carbon fouling on the gun.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

As long as I keep the outside clean for thumbnails, it's fiiiiine.😜

@PassivePortfolios Год назад

Either one of these would be perfectly adequate for self defense. The lower prices are a big plus. You can pay more but the difference in performance is not enough to make a difference. Thanks for another great video.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Agreed. Thank you sir.😎👍

@BrianF.1969 Год назад

I was pleasantly surprised both these did well. Nice to see budget rounds do well.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Yep 😎👍

@mikenephilly 7 месяцев назад

Thank you for doing this test. It's generally recommended to have at least 1,000 rounds put back. I have more than that in FMJ. But, I think it might be a good idea to have 1,000 of JHP too. Problerm is, they can be expensive. These two would be a good compromise between price and performance.

@robertseafield5810 Год назад

Good video. The Remington bullet came out in the 70ties and has been tweeked many times. It is a good bullet that handloaders can get in bulk. VV3n38 will give a bit more velocity. The Winchester bullet has also been tweeked to a really good design too. I would use these factory loads with no hesitation. They are in my magazines for my carbines. They pick up a bit of velocity, a little over 1300 fps from a 16" barrel. You might want to test those in the gel with a carbine.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Thank you sir. Definitely plan to do some carbine testing soon.😎👍

@StevenL00 Год назад

Tool: Canik METE MC9 3'' 2:36 *Velocity* Winchester: 1067, 1075, 1066, 1090, 1090 (discarded), 1116. Avg.: 1074 Remington: 1113, 1160, 1096, 1132, 1111. Avg.: 1122 *Gel test* 4:59 Winchester 5:32 Winchester #2 6:21 Remington 6:59 Remington #2 7:15 *Wound tracks* 9:31 *Penetration* 10:17 *Wound tracks at different angles* 11:23 *Projectiles* 12:55 *weighing* 13:36 *Expansion* 14:40 *Outro*

@TomTriker 9 месяцев назад

good job on the video T&T, I'm thinking both brands would really zip out of a carbine muzzle. much damage to flesh at 50 or so yards. and likely better much better chance of a hit than a shotgun slug at 125 yards or even more.

@scarifrougeone7225 Год назад

I’m on board with bulk HP’s. You get more per box and sometimes cost less than the so called defense rounds, go figure. I use the UMC’s a lot. Now I know what they do in the Gelly. Thanks for that my friend. Great test 👍. The MC9 was also the star ⭐️ of the show with the ammo as well. CANIK great pistols! Be safe awesome stuff. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Thank you sir. Got my holster in for the Canik. I'm a little over 800 rounds in it now. I'll probably make a video of the holster and putting it over 1000.😎👍

@scarifrougeone7225 Год назад

@@ToolsandTargets Hey Tools. That’s great. My CANIK Mete SFT just came in. I got it in the distressed white cerakote. It is a beauty.😎⭐️⭐️

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

@@scarifrougeone7225 Nice! White guns are definitely cool looking. I have some stuff I gotta get a video done on that you would probably like.😎👍

@scarifrougeone7225 Год назад

@@ToolsandTargets Roger that, sounds good. Hey buddy is there anyway I can send you a pic?

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

@@scarifrougeone7225 toolsandtargets@yahoo.com

@MrBuckeye63 9 месяцев назад

I have carried Winchester White box 115gr JHP for decades … Im not surprised at its performance.. Its not the velocity that determines bullet performance, its the bullets design to function at certain velocities

@bobbytarte2299 9 месяцев назад

Been carrying that UMC for years its a great allnaround round in short and long barrels.

@Wedgetail96 9 месяцев назад

Great test, and it seems to indicate that the Winchester USA (WhiteBox), budget ammo out performs the more expensive Law Enforcement Ranger variants (T-series and Bonded). Having said that not sure if you’ve tested the Ranger One series (Blue plug in the hollow point).

@googleeyeseyes4033 Год назад

To add to your opinion about the first Remington round and as to why it went further could also be because they were SO inconsistent and the extreme spread of the difference could indeed create A difference, along with your thought on why the extra distance, your first shot being on the high end of the spread and your second on the low side with the extreme difference, it is enough to make a difference for sure.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

😎👍

@AllThingsLoud_ Год назад

When I first started carrying, I used Winchester 124. After ammo shortages and everything, I recently have been having Remington htp on standby because I shoot carry ammo after it goes unused for so long and hollow points have been up as much $60 box.

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

I've got quite a bit of HTP in revolver rounds.

@TheRealSwampOperator Год назад

This is the one tools.. this is the test we all been wanting.. short barrel carry gun , cheap bulk hollow points , clothing barrier.. Apocalypse testing lol Both were close to 1100 average fps... That's actually impressive from a damn 3" barrel..

@ToolsandTargets Год назад

Yessir. Definitely glad to see this.😎👍

@A_Brit 10 месяцев назад

Winchester white box had always impressed me with the performance to cost. I use gold dots and hsts but if those ever became unavailable I'd go with the white box over others like hornady or nosler.

@bobsmoot2392 6 месяцев назад

No experience with WWB, but the Rem works well in old military pistols, designed for FMJ, like P-38 and P-35 (HI POWER).

@adventurfly879 10 месяцев назад

2 good ones! Makes me wonder why i pay the prices for sig elite defense.....which as you know is fantastic too. But these 2 are definitely worth considering. You can get 50 of them for the price of 20 of the elite defense.......

@baptistgaming91 10 месяцев назад

The rumor for years has been that the white box JHP is the winchester silver tip without the silver coating or Nickel brass. From looking at them I believe it to be the case.