"You don't feel that coming here would provoke your Arab neighbours into violence?" "I don't see why it should." Perhaps because you're invading their country. I mean, I have no problem with the Israeli and Jewish people settling their ancestral lands, go ahead, they should also have freedom to worship and practice their religion in peace. But similarly, it shouldn't come at the expense of the people already living there, like it did in the first intifada, I mean Palestinians were forced out of their homes and murdered on the grounds that Jerusalem is the ancestral lands of the Jewish people. That's attempted genocide at least. There was always an option that both peoples could have lived in peace in Palestine during the years in which the British attempted to ensure so. Similarly the actions of Hamas and ISIS have been unforgivable in relation to their use of violence and drugs to fund their operations, which themselves entail violence. For that they should be punished and imprisoned, much like those who have outright refused to seek a peaceful solution in Israeli command. Similarly settling illegally in Palestine is just unacceptable, especially when deemed illegal by all three governments involved ( Israeli, Palestinian and UN) and Israel must take a role in putting a stop to this especially if they themselves have deemed it illegal. I feel and have always felt that a two state solution wherein both nations walk away with access to suitable infrastructure and access to holy sites is the best option, but clearly others in the area will not stop until one nation arises from the ashes.
@John Sluder what 1948 u kidding isreal declares it state called isreal.ok why was Jews chased out of north Africa after it declared a isreali state and for ur information when Palestinians flee in 1948 no died don't be against isreal be against Hamas.
just bogels my mind that they have not been detained. Think about it... we entered Desert Fox/Storm due to Iraq illegally entering Kuwait, yet not a word is uttered in this situation. Pathetic..
I don't have words to describe this man, he's an English jew descended from the bore colonizers and when the apartheid ends in south Africa he moved to isreal and choose not to live in isreal but he goes to colonies the west bank.
This South African father knows that he has put his kids in harms way to be....what?...NON-Kosher?. WTF is he doing?. He's South African. Did he get so tired of taking the black man's land that now he wants Palestinian land?. Complete absurdity. Loss of all rational thought, replaced by religion.
@@awnalnatsheh5359 why can we test for Ashkenazi, Sephardim and Mizrahi with a DNA test? all Jewish ethnicities? Can you test for Catholic? lol no. Its an Ethno-Religion, a religion centered around their race. Maybe educate yourself
@Weißer Wolf consider the fact You occupy territories. We can consider You aren't "right" on what you do. International court of justice don't consider it Also btw. :)
@Weißer Wolf Stop lying, my friend. The Palestinians welcomed the Jewish refugees in the nineteenth century. Then, after the British mandate, the Zionist movements began to expel the Palestinians.
@Weißer Wolf I am not aware that now we hv new law whr we can invade other countries and claim the land ours. Is it okay if i ask you to vacate your house coz my holy book says the land you occupied belongs to my great great great grandfather 😄😄
@Weißer Wolf That's the stupidest thing I've read today. You must be young, or dumb. One or the other. We live in the 21st century, this is not Darwinism for the animal kingdom. You are not a dog, or a cluster of barnacles. You are a human being. Act like it. FFs morons.
@Weißer Wolf sorry dude .. we are living in different time zones . You’re in north, am in south pole. But I believe we are now civilised nations, the laws you want to apply were those in Tarzan time “ law of the jungle..” Now we have international law which everybody agree. If you cannot agree with that, it is too bad tht you cannot go back to live with Tarzan. I know deep in your heart, u admit tht what you are thinking or doing is not right. Common sense.. we don’t need to go to university to learn that. Peace yo..
@@raefinoh1172 the world is trying to hide their crimes by putting all the blame on Israel. The middle east is burning and the only thing the world has to blame are the settlements.
its not the same actually. the white south africans never allowed anyone with a black face near them. israel has 16% muslim arabs. they enjoy equal rights too. and many arabs in israel love israel. brings good economy
@@vl8584 An Indian supporter of Israel lol. They keep springing up everywhere because both countries are equally militaristic and have their own illegal occupations. As for the Muslim Arabs, if you don't know what you're talking about it's best not to speak. Do you know Israeli Muslims are not allowed to build while Israeli Jews are? They never get permits to build a home. Their homes get demolished daily while you'd be hard pressed to find Israel demolishing a Jewish family's home. There is practically no policing in the communities where Arab Muslims and Christian live. There are almost daily attacks on mosques and churches. I can show you the pictures of spray painted churches and blown up mosques not that you care because you support those crimes. Arab Muslims in Jerusalem cannot vote. There are price tag attacks and any day Israeli government can raze entire Palestinian communities within Israel to build archaeological parks. Do you know the Palestinians don't even get half of the water that an Israel family receives? It's all reported by Israeli human rights organizations. If you weren't a shameless defender of Israeli and Indian military illegal occupations and an Islamophobe who believes he has the right to speak on behalf of Muslims, you wouldn't have peddled the lies you just did.
Patrick Takada you say that as if that only muslim counties have this issue. Place like India, Southeast Asia, Sri Lanka arent neccesarily big on bikinis either.It also has to do with how modest the culture is. As u know already, the Middle Eastern tradition values a woman's modesty
Elias Kassis Yeah, and that's why I despise the middle east, because their traditions give zero freedom to women. And yeah those other shitholes are like that too, and lots of them are muslim as well, just not middle eastern. Indonesia has the most muslims on the planet. It's not middle eastern. It's still a shithole though.
Patrick Takada Indonesia is one of the fastest growing countries in the world. Places like Indonesia even have more women govt. officials than the united states. not only indonesia promotes gender equality but unlike other countries, it treats its religious minorities equally. Turkey is middle eastern, women wear whatever they want and they too have gender equality
Elias Kassis Turkey is ??? because they don't even know what they are. One minute they're talking about their middle eastern roots, the next they're trying to join the EU. Indonesia's a shithole because its poor and dirty as fuck. Last I heard their domestic politics were dirty as well, lots of extremists that get overshadowed by middle eastern groups. Like most people haven't heard of the MILF (hehe) in the Philippines because of Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. Point is, these religious countries are dumps. Although in Indonesia's case they've had a lot of bad luck and misfortune in addition to religion.
not so much I've experienced this first hand with my Jewish roommates. We actually went to see the settlements first hand. The hate they have for Palestinians is very real, and outright prejudice. I got so many dirty look because some thought I was a Palestinian (Mexican-Brazilian), curse out, and almost jumped. Anyways the Israeli settlement are truly an subtle-colonialism in practice. They even created the boundaries and are breaking international law settling on foreign territory. .
We're all people, it doesn't matter how many generations we've stayed anywhere. Let's keep the people safe and healthy, and try to prevent violence by calming hate. Theres no other alternative in this situation. The Jews and the Palestinians dont want to move so they must learn to cooperate.
@AntiAmerican Voteleft No, I am telling it to you because it was you who chose to frame the conversation in terms of religion when, actually, it is an issue of nationality, sovereignty and statehood. It's also a matter of international law not of emotion. That's why your appeal to the right to sovereignty on the basis of your forebears has no more justification than that of a Palestinian. Please take your political self-interest elsewhere.
@AntiAmerican Voteleft Again you choose the wrong classification and, in doing so, reveal your bigotry and bias. Arab is an ethnic classification. Jewish is a religious classification. The relevant classification, in relation to Israel/Palestine is the legal classification, namely nationality. Every time you choose to ignore that you do so in support of your own intolerance and bias. Once again, I made a comment about the irony of the comment in the video. Please take your sectarian preferences elsewhere.
I can't stand such childish arguments from Israeli trumpeters. If I was a Jew anywhere in the world, I could go and take a plot of land, in which some poor bastard was just kicked out of, having lived their for hundreds of years. How is that not oppression, occupation, and injustice.
The less you know, they easier to hate. Israelis use AK's as well. Vice has not interest in genuinely knowing about guns because then the fear starts to fade.
I live in Holland and I am from germanic stock. So by the same reasoning I can now claim land in south-sweden or denmark because that is where my ancestors migrated from, some 2500 years ago. Insane...
+warumbel You could do that, but good luck being recognized. Israel is a state today not because they have a 3000 year-old claim, but because they declared a state and the UN recognized it. The 3000 year old connection just shows that Jews are indigenous to Israel just as much as Palestinians are to Palestine. The Palestinians however cannot just declare a state, because the land they claim for a state (Judea and Samaria, or the West Bank) is officially considered 'disputed territories' and by international law they are required to negotiate with Israel, who controlled the land way before the PLO was even recognized as a government. And they've received some extremely generous offers which of course they've turned down.
Yossi Hertz - The only country on Earth that considers The West Bank to be "disputed" is Israel. Every other country on Earth considers it "illegally occupied." Palestine has declared a state, and the majority of the Earth recognise it as such.
I'm not taking sides because I can see both sides here,however I can't help but think if the tables were turned and it was the Palistinians who had the strength and technology the Israel Jews do,what would they do to the Jews? Just saying.
If it was the other way, the Western world would have already blasted Palestine off the face of the earth because of the illegal occupation and blockades. I don't see that happening with Israel in charge though..
Israelis are under NO ILLUSIONS about what the regional actors would do if they ever heaven forbid got the upper hand. What would happen is Holocaust Part II. The invading Arab armies tried that in 1948 but were rebuffed by the small yet highly motivated Jewish army. And just look at how Arabs with weapons and motivation treat each other in Syria - it's a sectarian bloodbath there everyday.
Everyone knows that if the Arabs had the power, Jews would be killed, converted, or enslaved. It's the core of the Koran. If Arabs were peaceful, the Jews would try to teach them how to live inpeace, in productive, non-squalor.
Urm for some 1200 years after the caliph Umar was gifted the keys to the city there was peace between the Arabs and jews for the major part of those years. Arabs would look after Jewish Neighbours kids’ and vice versa. Things took a turn for the worst after the Balfour Declaration went ahead. Know your history people, it’s not clear cut when the media educates you.
Funny, I never read what the Romans or the Greeks said about the Palestinians. I only see what the Romans and Greeks wrote about the Jews..... Because the Jews were there and there was no such thing as the Palestinians back then. The ancient civilizations tell us who lived there when, it it wasn't the Palestinians.
Hahahaha, can you guess which POV Vice has? Perhaps they have a liberal POV? At least try to remain neutral lol, it's crazy how obvious they are. Easiest way to tell they're liberals is when "Simon" calls a Galil chambered in .22 an "ak". Whew.
Here’s her piece in full: I was born and raised in a refugee camp in Rafah, in the Gaza Strip. My father worked as a tailor and his income barely covered our daily expenses. I was one of 10 siblings living in a cramped, two-bedroom house with asbestos ceilings.
I recognize Hamas is incredibly difficult to negotiate with and not an ideal state with which to reach compromise. Nevertheless, the blockade on Gaza only fosters extremist elements who have a lot to gain from a restricted, poverty stricken region. As for the West Bank, it's impossible to ignore the consistent violation of human rights and the obvious fact that the Palestinians are in fact second-class citizens. Happy you're responding to my inquiries. Civil discussion is rare on you tube.
Dude u clearly don't know history, but that's exactly what they need, they've had terrorist attack after terrorist attack and they need to know how to stop it.
It's fucking amazing that people didn't see the problem that this has led too... It's kinda sketch when an entire population is required to be militarized. What's the need? Oh? So they could literally genocide an entire people.
the settlers say that the land belong to them because their ancestors lived there some decades ago? sorry but thats stupid. i do not have the right to claim my neigbours land just because my grandpa once lived there. thats only a bad justification of something that is illegal. and you can say whatever you want, it will stay illegal.
+markus hamster noone has the right to own ANY land ...look at how we sell and buy 100% stolen native lands in western USA...noone has any monetary right to the earth period!...unless you actually live and use it, even then its questionable, Why should you pay rent to live on a planet you were born on?
TheBestRU-vidChannelEverTimesInfinity men aren't able to live without rules and laws and some kind of order. therefore its nessecary to 'own' something to know what is mine and what is yours. even animals have territories.
***** i dont get what you are saying. if nobody ever set foot on that land, than its ok to claim it. the israel conflict is like the indians would go to new york and try to get it back, because the land it stands on once belonged to them. and maybe the big manithu wrote it down on a cow-hide.
***** if you prefer a world in which the stronger always wins and gets everything and nothing will be left for the poor, then you are right. and then you must be quiet confident with the world we are living in. but i would prefer a world in peace and freedom for everybody.
When I was young girl, I remember my grandmother telling me about the journey of their suffering in 1948 during the Palestinian Nakba [when thousands of Palestinians lost their homes during the Arab-Israeli war]. The same journey of suffering continues to be carried by me and my family.
@@danghoangluong2942 Somebody forced you out of your land and then a third party proposed a partition of your land, Would you accept it? Who the f**k would accept it?
If Israel was attacked, and conquered the West Bank, then they can build as many settlements as they want to because they paid for it in blood. Israel has given back enough land to the attackers. Israel has to train civilians to use firearms because they are always under threat of assault.
You mean the Israel of pre1947 when they took you in after resettling from Germany, Balfour declaration was made well before the British gave the zionists some one else land and evidently blood, Israel cares so much about Judaism the covenant was broken over misinterpretations, where the Jews not banished from Israel.
Scott Norman Rosenthal Lies huh... Arabic armies TOLD the citizens to move out of the occupied territories BEFORE they attacked so they would not be killed. Tough shit if they lost the war and Israel retained the lands.
6:22 so Filipino maids (left) everywhere these days.....sure, U.A.E., Europe, etc, but now taking care of Jewish settler seniors in conflict areas, holy fuck man....that is the last place I expected to see one.
Atheist Jewish Messiah there is Jewish ancestral heritage in the West Bank correct but modern Jews today have nothing but a historical religious connection to that land. There’s Roman heritage in England doesn’t mean Italians can grab an Ak47 and move into England
"These are civilians with mean looking guns taking classes to learn how to use them" false. All Israeli civilians have to serve in the armed forces, so they're all veterans and already know how to use them.
Against an oppressed people. With no real military and no economy. Isael Pat's its self on the back for fighting against what is essentially starving people who cant even read. Israel better hope they stay in Americas good Grace's forever, the younger the American generation the more disdain younger Americans have for Israel's oppressive government
I like how the guy who’s from South Africa claims that he has been there for thousands of years and the Palestinians who are documented to be from and not leaving the land for actual couple thousand years are only here two generations back. Ps the jewish religion is just that a religion in the course of history people became jewish or were jewish and converted to other religions it is not an born ethnicity like being born black or white etc...
Falastinian grandparents are literally older than the state of Izrael.... and their Canaan ancestors were in the land before Abraham(AS). Hebrew is not an ethnicity or race considering some are Caucasian Europeans, some are Arab, some are North African and some are Ethiopian. even they know this which is why the Euros created terms like Ashkenazi, Mizrahi and Sephardic
It's just a bad joke, most of them Europeans, who were kicked out Europe. The British gave them this land to share with the palestinians, the other Jews are of Arab descent..
"Israel conquered the West Bank and East Jerusalem in 1967 after three Arab nations battled the newly minted Jewish state in the Six Day War."............Really? "three Arab nations battled"? That sounds like they met in an innocuous battle for pink slips, winner take all after a polite drag race kind of thing. "BATTLED"?!.....Nice word choice :-). I would have written "three Arab nations invaded Israel trying to kill every last Jew in site until they achieved a Jew Free Palestine."......"BATTLED"?! Doesn't that kind politely hide the fact that the Palestinians want to destroy Israel "FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA"? Great work Vice!!! Always doing your best to be the irreverent "Fergeson Protestors" of the American news scene. Michael Brown tried to steal the cops gun? Who Cares! Never let the facts get in the way of a good story!.......
Ugly war, genocide, racist and totally unfair. I'd hate to live on the West Bank or in Israel for that matter to live in a country that is so evil so so SAD! This film brings a lot of interesting issues to the forefront, thank you for trying to elucidate whats really going on in Israel sorry Palestine!
Canaan Pal Did you remove Israel? No right. Even now USA recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital. This shows that God(I don't belong to any Abrahamic faith BTW) must be with them.
@Joe 9 Yeah right "Arabs".. Googling your history isn't "history".. phoenecians, Babylonians, hittites have all disappeared and forms very few genetic makeup in present day. Go research instead of Google searching and blabbering over here😆,.
Our life in the 1980s was difficult, yet people shared a sense of community. Men were the breadwinners whereas women cared for the children. Despite our poor upbringing, I’m fortunate to have received an education. At first, getting an education wasn’t a priority due to traditional responsibilities and financial constraints, but eventually I managed to secure a university degree in English language.
Yes they can, because indigenous people have the right away. I'm American but I fully recognize the claim of a native to this land is far more legitimate than the claim of anyone else, it would be absurd to say otherwise. The difference is that Natives don't have much of an interest in taking back North America. But the Jews certainly had an interest in taking back *our* land.
America's Indians swore to "Make war no more." Smart not like the lying pals who use their own kids are warriors while their fathers hide under the bed.
This series is so bias and far fetched, that it borders propaganda and fuels hostility for the wrong reasons. Anyone who is to take most of this garbage as truth (or even part of it) is making a step towards the dominance of ignorance. Please go and learn history from facts and establish your own perspective on this matter instead of accepting this misleading information.
It looks like you were in Gush Etzion. Jews lived there before 1948 or land purchased by Jews. The Arabs massacred 60 some people who had not fled in 48. After 67, the children who had lived there returned. So they do not have the right to live there? Tell the Native Americans they can not live where they want in the US. There are many more Arabs in the area then there were. In the past they farmed much less land (also because they had not irrigation techniques) and they land they farmed was owned by absentee landlords in Damascus, generally.
racist gun law policies, provincialism. religious scriptural justification of Illegal settler encroachment. I wonder what happens when Palestinian families try to bring the settlers to court and get an eviction started? Why doesn't the Israeli military that occupied the West Bank, move in and clear out those settlements. If they are violating treaties by not handing over the territory, then wouldn't it be justified for those Arab nations to resume conflict? If there is no provisional treaty for the West Bank to be handed over then obviously Israel can do or not do what it wants concerning the conquered province..except violating human rights..was the 7 days war accord drafted according to scriptural historic surveys/accounts? If not, they really shouldn't be using it to justify anything from a legal standpoint.
Hi Majest, See Israeli human rights group B'Tselem for specific cases and answers to your question about the (non)-recourse the Palestinians have when settler extremists take their homes. For exhaustive discussion of the legal issues involved and their development in the context of Israel's history as a rogue state, see Noam Chomsky's The Fateful Triangle, if you haven't already. For ongoing discussion and news on these issues by a group of sane Jews (and colleagues) see Mondoweiss, founded by Phil Weiss.
As an Irish man I ask if an isreali goes to invade other ppls land and you call them terrorists??? But your stealing his land by force?? And at the same time you worry???? That's a joke
1. We got that land from the Brits We *didn't* steal it. 2. we got attacked, do it's pretty fair to take land after being attack from 6 countries, right? 3. There were no such thing as a Palestinian back then. *Palestine* is a name of the region and the people living there are Jordanians.
@@Nicolay406 1- the Brits occupied Palestine so the land wasn't theirs to give 2- getting attacked don't give u the right to take other ppl's land (what logic is that 😂) 3-if Palestine is a region and the ppl living there r Jordanians then u r colonising a part of Jordan right !!? So Jordan have the right to attack u and get their land back
@@anisdi5489 1. The Brits conquered the region and the Arabs helped them fight the ottomans, so it's you to blame here. 2. In postwar situations, it's not uncommon for the victor to repetition and consolidate land. 3. We aren't colonizing anything, the Brits divided this land and you refused the divide. You attack us and we won. Now go cry about it.
A man migrating from South Africa to Israel with European ancestors that have no connection to middle eastern people, is talking about arabs that lived for centuries -even millenias- there that they don´t belong there.
One last thing. Wether we like it or not. We are all the same. And love upon you all. I hope you all see there is no reason to fear or hate each other. We are all the same. Peace. Literally.
Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin acknowledged in a speech in 1982 that its war on Egypt in 1956 was a war of “choice” and that, “In June 1967 we again had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.” ' - www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/07/04/israels-attack-on-egypt-in-june-67-was-not-preemptive/ Yitzhak Rabine who latter became Israel's Prime Minister told Le Monde the year following the ’67 war, “I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions which he sent to the Sinai, on May 14, would not have been sufficient to start an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it.” www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/07/04/israels-attack-on-egypt-in-june-67-was-not-preemptive/ 'The current Israeli Ambassador to the U.S., Michael B. Oren, acknowledged in his book “Six Days of War“, widely regarded as the definitive account of the war, that “By all reports Israel received from the Americans, and according to its own intelligence, Nasser had no interest in bloodshed”.' www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/07/04/israels-attack-on-egypt-in-june-67-was-not-preemptive/
While the documentary does a good job of trying to portray Jews as invaders and the Arabs as the innocent brown people in the way, it conveniently neglects the history of this region, which by it, is rightfully Jewish land. Under the Balfour Declaration of 1917, the whole of the Palestinian mandate was allocated to the Jewish people to establish a homeland by the British, based on their historical, genetic, ethnic and linguistic ties to the region. It is essential to note that at this time, the Palestinian mandate comprised of present day Israel, Gaza, the West Bank AND JORDAN. Originally, what is now Israel, Jordan and the nonexistent country of Palestine was suppose to be the entirety of Israel. However, Great Britain later gave 77% of the land to the Arabs, putting the Heshmite Dynasty (originally from Saudi Arabia) in power. In the present, 70%-80% of Jordan is Palestinian. Hmm, a country making up the majority of the former Palestinian mandate, with most of the population being Palestinian. It's as if Jordan is the Palestinian state. Weird huh? Based on this, it was later established under the San Remo declaration in 1920, The Faisal Weizmann Agreement, and the 1922 Mandate for Palestine, that all the land East of the Jordan river was to allocated to the Arabs, while all the land West of it was to allocated to the Jews, this includes Judea and Sumeria, otherwise known as the West Bank, as well as Gaza. The conclusion that we draw from this is that the West Bank belongs to Israel, not the Palestinians. It is fundamental to understand that the West Bank use to have a significantly larger Jewish population in Jericho, Hebron, Jenin, etc. These Jews were driven out by mobs of antisemitic Arabs in the 1929 riots. The West Bank didn't even exist as an entity separate from Israel under after the Jordanian occupation of it, ending in 1967. Jordan created its borders when they attempted to destroy Israel in 1948, and ethnically cleansed the region of it's remaining Jews. Israel takes it back 19 years later and for it they're called invaders. Anyone who thinks Israel should withdrawal from the West Bank is paralyzed by their own ignorance. The Palestinian Authority would fall apart if it was not for Israeli aid and IDF protection (Muhammad Abbas more or less admitted this). Upon Israeli withdrawal, the region would descend into the same violence Gaza did, upon Israeli withdrawal in 2005. The West Bank would be seized by Hamas, who would systematically exterminate the 300,000 Jews living there, probably along with the Samaritan and Christian populations, if not subject them to Islamic theocracy. The West Bank would experience a war between Hamas, the IDF, the PA, Jewish Settlers and Jordan. It would make the conflict significantly worse than it already is, and would turn the West Bank into just a larger launch pad for Hamas to bomb central Israel, the most populous region. It makes an unarguable amount of sense to establish Jordan as the Palestinian state. Instead of creating a house of cards Palestinian state in the middle of Israel. I firmly believe that Israel should continue it's presence in Judea and Sumeria for the reasons stated above, and should not pull out under any circumstances.
Noah Ismail Hi Noah It would under these circumstances: 1.) If you were indigenous to the land of California and had a history in the region spanning 3000 years 2.) If Britain had complete international legal authority over the state of California 3.) If you and your four million friends had been perusing sovereignty in the region under historical, ethnic, cultural and indigenous rights. 4.) If you and the four million people had been in a diaspora for the past 2000 years, from the state of California, and had suffered brutal, unmatched persecution in that diaspora. Making the establishment of a homeland in California something of a necessity. By the way, it was not Britain who established Israel. The Belfour Declaration was nothing more than a legal document allowing Jewish immigration. Jews had purchased land from the Ottomans to built Petah Tikva and Rishon LeZion in the 1870's and 1880's. The Jews of pre-state Israel fought an armed conflict with the British from the 1920's to the 1940's. Not unlike the conflict between the IRA and Great Britain for the same reason. Britain quickly went back on their promise and gave 77% of the land to the Heshmites (a huge mistake) and stopped boats of Jewish refugees from docking in Haifa and Jaffa. What gave rise to Israeli independence was the 1947 resolution by the United Nations. Which over 50 countries voted in favor of. Britain abstained.
Noah Ismail I study genealogy and regularly read Haartez and have seen no such study. Here is a list of genetic studies, all done in the past 15 years, that demonstrate a common Semitic ancestry among Jews: Ashkenazi Jews _____________ Y-Chromosome: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC18733/ www.familytreedna.com/pdf/Behar_contrasting.pdf online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/109065703321560976 www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2771134/ Mt-DNA: 40% of Ashkenazi Jews are descended from just four women. Israelite immigrates to Italy after the Bar Kokhba rebellion, most likely: www.familytreedna.com/pdf/43026_Doron.pdf www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3543766/ Other studies: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3032072/ www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24901650 Mizrahi Jews (Mt-DNA): www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2323359/ 43% of Iraqi Jews are descended from four women according to that study. 40% of Libyan Jews are descended from one woman, 43% of Tunisian Jews are descended from four women, 27% of Moroccon Jews are descended from one woman. More genetic studies: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/06/100603123707.htm www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2797531/ www.genomebiology.com/2009/10/1/R7 The largest genetic study ever done on Jews was conducted by Wayne State University in 2013. It found a close genetic relation between Jews of all ethnic divisions, with their genetic constancy being typical of what you would see in population in the Levant (very similar to Syrians, Druze, Palestinians and Samaritans). Link: digitalcommons.wayne.edu/humbiol_preprints/41/ "not some boy with blond hair and blue eyes who looks as if he's Swedish." Ethnic ancestry is based on Haplogroups, not hair color. Hair color varies more between individuals than ethnicity. For example, a Norwegian and a Pole could both have the dominate trait for blond hair. While another Norwegian and another Pole could have the dominate trait for black hair, but the two Poles are more closely related to each other, the same can be said for the Norwegians. Going by your name I imagine you are from a Middle Eastern country, so I think we can both agree that you don't need to look far to find blond Syrians, Druze, Arameans, Shabaks, etc. The fact that some Jews have blond hair doesn't mean anything. They more than likely had the recessive gene for it, and it came out. That's all. Jews were confined to walled off slums in medieval Europe and needed an edict of safe passage to leave. Converts were not welcome and leaving the Christian faith or marrying outside of it was considered apostasy and punishable by death. If you understand the history of Jews in Europe, it is nothing short of ridiculous to assume that large scale conversion or assimilation occurred. It didn't. Segregation was heavily enforced. The history of the Jews from 3000 B.C until now is well documented for each passing century. Josephus wrote about Jewish/Hebrew communities in the Mediterranean basin in the 1st century. Their history is entirely consistent. The Hebrews never disappeared. People who oppose the idea of Jewish self-determination in the Levant only propagate the idea that the Jews are not Semitic to reinforce their view. I'm not asking you to love everything Israel does. You can still stand behind the Palestinian cause to any degree you see fit. But it is impossible to deny the ancestral origins of the Jewish people, when all the evidence supports it.
Noah Ismail Thank you for the link. I had made the assumption that it was in reference to the study by Eran Elhaik, I was waiting for you to address him by name. The thing about Eran Elhaik is he is not taken seriously by most genealogist because of his political agenda. He is a proponent of the Khazar theory, which is an already debunked myth from the 1970's. It suggest that Ashkenazi Jews are the descendants of a Turkic people who converted to Judaism in the 10th century. First I will address Eran Elhaik's study, then I will address why the Khazar theory is false. 1.) For Eran's study, he used Heshmites to represent pan-Israelites. The problem with this is that the Heshmites are not indigenous to the Levant. Their ancestral origins are among the Arab tribes of the Arabian peninsula, from the Kingdom of Hajez. Britain conceded the present day country of Jordan to the Heshmites because the Saud's would not give them any land in Saudi Arabia. 2.) He used Armenians as pan-Khazars. Armenians are not of Turkic origin. 3.) His study found a very close relation between modern Jews and Druze. His absurd defense was that it was evidence the Druze are of Turkic origin, when this is not the case, their entire existence has occurred in the Levant (mostly Southern Syria). Now I will address the Khazar theory: For one, there is no physical historical evidence that the Khazar's were Jews. This is only speculation. Second, European Jewry predates the Khazars by about 2000 years. One of the oldest synagogues in the world is in Stobi, Macedonia, and the Jews in Europe are written about extensively by Josephus in "Antiquity of the Jews" published in the 1st century A.D. If Jews are not the descendants of ancient Hebrews, then their history in Europe should only go back to the 11th century A.D. It doesn't. The earliest record of Jewish communities in Europe is from the 3rd-4th century B.C.
