Renewable Wind Turbines Linked To Whale Deaths: Michael Shellenberger

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Journalist Michael Shellenberger discusses his new documentary on the demise of the whale species, and what could be behind it. #ocean #environment Originally aired Aug. 14, 2023; • Wind Turbines Linked T...
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@singdavsun1980 10 месяцев назад

We could avoided this by going more Nuclear.

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

Nuclear is not a bad idea, but wind farms don't harm whales. Shellenberger is a spin doctor for oil, has been for a long time. If sound pollution did cause whale deaths, we'd see much more from the oil industry.

@Jake_venture 2 месяца назад

Micheal just telling Bri “No that didn’t happen” and then say facts was refreshing.

@IAmInterested-cc4hr Месяц назад

Then she ends the segment with some nonsense intentionally giving michael no chance to respond to it

@terencereddick9777 10 месяцев назад

“Let me appear to correct you with something I just googled then end the interview before you can respond.”

@eric.c.jackson 10 месяцев назад

Wow... They invited this person on the show for Bri to tell him his stance is wrong and for Robbie to imply it's not really a big deal in the first place? Gee thanks.

@user-ly4sq5uc5f 10 месяцев назад

Yes, and Bri seems to be saying whale deaths are one of the costs of addressing climate change. Why do we need to lose one thing to gain another? There are alternatives.

@Dot2TrotsLowCarbLiving 9 месяцев назад

@@user-ly4sq5uc5f because it is a death cult

@KeithCindyPanama 9 месяцев назад

@@user-ly4sq5uc5f Sacrifices need to be made: If we decrease the population there will be more oxygen for children- VP Harris

@mrg0th1er83 3 месяца назад

Michael Shellenberger is a fraud and so is his documentary. The data provided in his own documentary disprove his claim. Sonar exploration is not only used for wind turbine but many industries. The worst being oil rigs. But he only mentions wind turbines for some strange reason. Shellenberger isn’t a scientist and he doesn’t care about the science either. This is a political propaganda fabrication against renewable energies and nothing more.

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

@@user-ly4sq5uc5f Bri would be wrong, since windfarms don't hurt whales. That's not according to the government, it's according to Shellenberger's own data --- he carefully avoids showing the data side by side, which reveals the years in which offshore windfarms go up have no impact on whale deaths. The real correlation is ocean temperature and whale death. The former drives whales into areas that are high traffic, and also feature mainstream fishing giants who use nets that aren't safe for whales.

@dkvikingkd233 8 месяцев назад

The problem for the obvious choice of nuclear base load energy is that it leaves politicians with one less "burning platform" issue that they can pretend to solve.

@NillWill 10 месяцев назад

There’s not enough landfill space to dispose of wind turbines that degrade 2 times faster than promised.

@pjacobsen1000 10 месяцев назад

Most of a wind turbine is made of metals, all of which can easily be recycled/re-smelted. The blades are made of glass fiber / carbon fiber / balsawood. Like all composite materials, those are harder to recycle. A dizzying array of industrial products are made of composite materials and have been for decades. Traditionally, those materials have been ground down and used as filler in road beds or other places where filler is needed. There is no evidence that wind turbines present a bigger waste problem than any other industrial product.

@user-kimbast 10 месяцев назад

Also, the very large magnet that's needed to power wind turbines is 2 tons of rare earth materials. All which are extremely bad for the environment to gather, and mostly come from the C C P

@Reclaimer77 10 месяцев назад

@@elmastro-ye9lw Yeah they are only placed directly in friggin salt water lol. Can't imagine why they would degrade......

@NillWill 10 месяцев назад

@@elmastro-ye9lw cause it’s made of fiberglass

@Reclaimer77 10 месяцев назад

@@howardj602 that's such a trope. Power plant waste is stored on-site in dry casks at the power plants. Do you seriously believe there's piles and piles of nuclear waste that we can't store? 😂 Idiot

@rudydingens8144 10 месяцев назад

So one problem that is not talked about enough is sound pollution.

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

The sound pollution of wind farms is minimal. There is no correlation between them and whales deaths. The sound pollution of oil exploration is vastly greater, (they need to make far louder sounds so they can see _beneath_ the ocean floor,) and actually does harm whales by injuring their ears, yet there's still no correlation there, either. What is driving whales death percentages is ocean temperature, as increased temperature has pushed whales to migrate to areas with more traffic in pursuit of food.

@mmcgahn5948 10 месяцев назад

Nuclear energy makes more sense, but apparently wind energy makes more money. Everything the politicians do is in relation to how much tax money can be forwarded to donors.

@user-ym1mk5mx9l 10 месяцев назад

Hey don't say common sense things.

@givanildosouza6904 10 месяцев назад

well nuclear energy is more expensive, otherwise they would have more money to forward to politicians and change the narrative

@pjacobsen1000 10 месяцев назад

Not only does it make more money, it also saves more money for the electricity consumer.

@christinehill1038 10 месяцев назад

It only makes more money due to subsidies. Nuclear is much cheaper to produce.

@Bike_Lion 10 месяцев назад

@@pjacobsen1000 - That's not true, especially not if one considers the *holistic cost* of providing a *reliable supply* of electricity.... People who advocate wind power (who are either dishonest or ignorant "useful idiots") will typically point to certain figures for supposed *per-kw/h* costs of wind power. The thing is though that electric consumers have no use for randomly and sporadically generated kw-hours of electricity. They need to be able to turn on the switch and have that energy available *on demand* - regardless of weather conditions at that particular moment. So this means that the electric companies have to build, maintain, and staff fossil fuel power plants and have them ready to produce whenever the wind (and/or solar) is not producing. In terms of *holistic* costs, wind/soar are simply much much more expensive, and would never be used to power electric grids were it not for subsidies and mandates.

@user-tn6ui7me4q 10 месяцев назад

She fot the last word alright. You could see she didnt like be made a fool of. So she had to bloviate at about nukes instead of whales. mike just smiled and realized she was way over her head and let her go on.

@Crismans843 10 месяцев назад

Bri can’t let it go and insists on getting the last word … again.

@vikroy3777 10 месяцев назад

🐱🐱

@erinl9700 9 месяцев назад

She is a control freak. Have to get the last word. I am never wrong. Kinda narcissistic of her

@wheel-man5319 7 месяцев назад

🤯

@therealcnn5346 10 месяцев назад

Sugar cane field runoff of fertilizer is why we get algae blooms

@daviderb3922 10 месяцев назад

The YT UN disclaimer attached to this important video and message is ironically comical.

@Bitdog4U 7 месяцев назад

I had a 40 gallon sears bladder type metal water tank for a well pump I was using with the bladder taken out to hold used veggie oil for a house heater and it could would start to make a high pitched resonating noised (kinda loud) when cars approached my house a block and a half away. At a block away I could start to hear the car it's self. This same kind of resonating oil bladder is found in many whale heads. Devoting 1/3 of your head to hear sounds means that sounds are very important to life it's self. A wind mill may actually make a high pitched sound all the time, and in a off shore wind farm, the entire area may be a noise producing disorienting death trap for whales. Has anybody with a brain that works even looked into that kind of stuff ? What under water sounds do wind farms produce ? Ultrasonic is an underwater/liquid type thing. Whales talk great distances since the density of water carries sound better/faster than compressible air. Solids transfer sounds very well like a string between to cans. I can see you, can you hear me? Magnetism is required to produce electricity & many animals use the earths magnetic field for directional travel. Does a wind farm disturb a compass ? or an animal ? Many electrical devices are grounded to the water table, are off shore wind mills grounded to the water table also creating an electrical problem for life in the area? Some fish or sharks use the slight electrical signal produced by the muscles of other animals to detect those animals. So some under water creatures are very sensitive to electricity. Humans are actually idiots to the point that they don't understand that they don't understand, so they don't even bother to try to understand what they are doing and the impact of their actions before they do the action. Like build a huge wind farm. Well, there are some thoughts to ponder anyway...

@IMTHEBIGGESTCUNT 10 месяцев назад

Unnatural structures added to another’s habitat… the natural ‘draft’ of the winds disrupted by said structures… pretty obvious it was going to mess with the fish/whales form of travel/communication.

@ricardosilva8347 10 месяцев назад

What about the thousands of huge tankers, cargo and container ships crossing the oceans everywhere? It is pretty obvious the impact is much worse than something that is standing still in the same place.

@Bike_Lion 10 месяцев назад

@@ricardosilva8347 - First off, the fact that other stuff *also* exists don't mitigate the impact of industrial wind turbines. Second, as they alluded to in this video, such ships are not crossing *everywhere.* Rather there are certain shipping lanes where most such traffic is concentrated, and other much less trafficked areas, which now have a lot more boat traffic due to off-shore wind. Third, while the turbines themselves may be "standing still," they produce significant noise, and there's constant boat traffic to and from for maintenance......And all to produce a rather small amount of unreliable power - a job which would be much better done with a nuclear power plant!

@menahgreen 9 месяцев назад

@@ricardosilva8347hardly Those turbines need to go. That's when the problem started

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

@@Bike_Lion Marine biologists broadly agree that wind turbines have no effect on whales. There is literally zero correlation, even according to Shellenberger's own drafts in his video. There is a correlation between wind turbines and bird deaths, but it's magnitudes upon magnitudes lower than, say, cats. Besides, oil exploration is vastly louder. And uhhh changing wind patterns? Wind turbines aren't going to disrupt the climate by being a rare form of wind brake. Are trees having a negative impact on wind movement, too? Shellenberger is an oil spin doctor. Wind energy is benign.

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

@@menahgreen Marine biologists all agree, as does Shellenberger's own graphs, that wind turbines don't correlate with whale death. And oil exploration is louder because they need to map regions below the surface of the ocean floor.

@dreaded8987 9 месяцев назад

First off, not one of these generators have produced enough power to even pay for itself! Do people really not know this? The Cost and Maintenance is far more expensive than a generator can make in is lifetime.

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

Windfarm tech is profitable at this point. And Shellenberger is an overt liar, there is no correlation even in his own data.

@lachlanbell8390 10 месяцев назад

Briahna is becoming a very strong contender for runner up in the "world's stupidest smart person" stakes. Sam Harris has got first place securely locked down, but the silver medal is almost in Briahna's reach at this point.

@clarabell3023 10 месяцев назад

Not to mention the vibratory infrasound that they generate. It adversely affects human, animal and bird nervous systems.

@Alex_Plante 10 месяцев назад

It's possible to have off-shore wind turbines without driving piles into the seabed.

@saganhuxley 10 месяцев назад

No. And the noise of the turbine alone interferes with delicate balance of aquatic life. All of these “green” solutions are nonsense and simply enrich another revenue stream for those who continue destroying and pillaging the planet.

@Bike_Lion 10 месяцев назад

No, actually it's not possible.

@Alex_Plante 10 месяцев назад

@@Bike_Lion Piles can be drilled or hammered. The type of pile is decided at the design phase. The problem is the design does not seem to have taken into account the environmental impacts on whales.

@Bike_Lion 10 месяцев назад

@@Alex_Plante - Whether you're drilling or hammering, it creates a lot of noise either way. And then of course there's the boat traffic to and from for installation and maintenance. Agree though that they didn't take the impact on whales into account.

@recurrenTopology 9 месяцев назад

@@Bike_Lion Floating offshore wind is very much a thing, so yes it is.

@briang6652 10 месяцев назад

Michael should get other real environmental scientists to prepare solid evidence to prove how much worse wind farm against nuclear power plant. Many on YT have presented such analysis, for instance Thoughty2.

@Etheoma 10 месяцев назад

I could pretty much gumtree you nuclear is at least in this way significantly better, the main thing that would effect aquatic life would be thermal pollution, but that can be address with cooling ponds before the water is released into the ocean. Like Nuclear reactors leak stupidly small amounts of radiation due to the tight regulations around them, coal plants for example emit many times more radiation and the main concern around them isn't radiation it's particulates and the amount of CO2 they release.

@Etheoma 10 месяцев назад

Sorry for the multiple posts, but I think you can tell my opinion on nuclear power and renewables is quite nuanced, I'm basically pro everything apart from coal and natural gas and just using what makes sense where it makes sense. Really sunny place where it's sunny pretty much all year around use solar, really windy place or you are surrounded by ocean use wind, where you have the natural geography to minimally impact the environment use hydro, where you have none of those options use nuclear and a little bit of renewable and build HVDC power lines in conjunction with places where renewables makes sense and build pumped hydro storage to sell back energy over those HVDC lines back to places with lots of renewables when the wind isn't blowing or the sun isn't shining.

@suprememasteroftheuniverse 10 месяцев назад

Nuclear power is SAFE AND EFFECTIVE, you science denier. Nuclear power is cleaner, more efficient and cheaper on the long run than any other source of power.

@suprememasteroftheuniverse 10 месяцев назад

Also that snicker journalist is as sxtxuxpxixd as it get.

@Alex_Plante 10 месяцев назад

@@Etheoma I agree 100%. I've been making similar comments all over for at least 10 years now.

@helleosborne7168 9 месяцев назад

This is so sad 😢😢 Poor dear whales, they've been around for millions of years. This has to be stopped.

@garysarela4431 6 месяцев назад

An explosion at the Deepwater Horizon offshore oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico killed 11 workers and led to the release of approximately 4.9 million barrels of oil over 87 days. Response workers observed more than 1,400 marine mammals in the surface slick. Bottlenose dolphin, coastal and shelf dolphin, and oceanic whale were all injured.

@helleosborne7168 6 месяцев назад

@@garysarela4431 😢😢😭

@derrickhewett8680 6 месяцев назад

Vote republican and save whales, your children, your 20 years of hard work for retirement, your rights, your religious freedoms, your individual speech and thoughts, your family legacy, your country and bloodline, and most importantly; your children’s freedom to be the best it can be.

@mrg0th1er83 3 месяца назад

@nomnomnooma 9 месяцев назад

The government isn’t going to help keep these wind people accountable, the government and this aspect of green energy are hand in hand

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

It's marine biologists who say there is no correlation. Because there is none, EVEN ACCORDING TO SHELLENBERGER'S OWN GRAPHS. Oil exploration is louder, and actually loud enough to damage the ear drums of whales. The correlation, though, is between ocean temperature and whale deaths. And there's an actual PROVEN causal mechanism: whales migrate to places with higher boat traffic, and places where mainstream fishing companies use nets that aren't whaleproof.

@guyinoakland 10 месяцев назад

When the host starts talking, he is a perfect example of how current day young liberals think, shallow. I would bet even Michael Shellenberger was shocked to hear his response. In just one generation we went from SAVE the WHALES to meh, whatever, attitude.

@stanhry 9 месяцев назад

She and her staff even doubled down , by doing quick research to prove her anti-nuclear stance. Then dumping it last minute so he could respond. What a bunch of……….

@nomnomnooma 9 месяцев назад

He’s actually libertarian, so I guess how liberals think lol. New viewer? I thought the liberal minded one gave a good counter argument, and Robbie gave a good chance for shellenberger to address the right’s argument

@KeithCindyPanama 9 месяцев назад

From my understanding Michael Shelinburger used to be a liberal:

@Bike_Lion 9 месяцев назад

@@nomnomnooma - Since when did "save the wales!" become "the right’s argument"????

@nzkirsty6816 7 месяцев назад

Glad the whales have him on their side,God Bless him

@annyea100 10 месяцев назад

Thank you for the work done!

@taiwanjohn 10 месяцев назад

So, just to be clear, what you're saying is that it's NOT the wind turbines themselves that cause the trouble, it's the construction techniques used to install them, along with all the associated surface traffic. Seems to me like the obvious solution is simply to figure out how to do all this quietly.

@jerm5466 10 месяцев назад

Let us know once you figure that out

@taiwanjohn 10 месяцев назад

@@jerm5466 Not my job, thankfully, though I have some ideas on it. But whoever does figure it out will be very rich, so it's just a matter of time.

@user-ym1mk5mx9l 10 месяцев назад

Really? Yeah western people are strange.

@reinsmano 10 месяцев назад

How do you drill quietly? And how do you bring the materials and equipment to build without boat traffic? What you’re asking for is impossible

@taiwanjohn 10 месяцев назад

@@reinsmano Did I say it would be quiet? No. It just needs to be _quiet enough._ For example, drilling, as you helpfully pointed out, is not silent. However, it is a helluva lot quieter than pile-driving, which is the method they're currently using. And they don't need to eliminate surface traffic, they just need to make it less intrusive and less noisy. There are ways to do that too. And of course, since Right Whales are migratory, you could also just wait until they're far away to do the work. We've been drilling for oil for many decades without this kind of impact on the whales. And of course we've been driving boats all over the place for just as long. Surface traffic can be minimized by using larger vessels for fewer trips, and ferrying crew and supplies by air whenever feasible. Once the turbines are installed, they can go for months without maintenance, so _living with them_ is not much trouble for the whales, whereas installing them (using pile-drivers) would be like trying to sleep while somebody's running a jackhammer across the street. I think we can do better than that.

@tonyshaw7420 9 месяцев назад

Environmentalists lost their minds years ago when some Ducks died on a tailings pond in Alberta Canada, a Whale on the verge of extinction...🤐🤐🤐

@halohat2286 10 месяцев назад

Small modular nuclear is the answer. It works. Its safe. It is needed now.

@stewartjones2173 10 месяцев назад

I have thought for decades now that all innovations in science and engineering should be tested and evaluated for cost and benefit. When an armament is invented the boffins begin finding an armament that will overcome it. When governments capture an armament from another power they take it away and analyse it We should have an international agency which looks at anything that enters the public domain to see what it's implication are for the public good.

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

Marine biologists and others have already been analyzing wind farms effect on whales. There is no correlation, positive or negative. Michael is a spin maestro for oil. The correlation is between whale deaths and ocean temperature --- as is the causation, as we know the migration patterns of whales is influenced by marine ecosystems, which are influenced by temperature, and the increase in temperature has caused whales to seek food in places that require them to navigate higher traffic areas. Also, oil exploration is so loud it actually damages the ears of whales. Michael here is an antienvironmentalist spin doctor for oil, has been for a long time.

@phartsdust 10 месяцев назад

as long as we got air conditioning it's all OK.

@leitercia 5 месяцев назад

Glad someone is finally saying it!!

@thelaurens1996 10 месяцев назад

Shellenberger is a global treasure.

@Monkehrawrrr 5 месяцев назад

omg lol

@mrg0th1er83 3 месяца назад

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

More like an oil shill. His own data shows there's no correlation between whale death and wind farm construction or activity. He is always careful not to show the graphs together, and simply suggests a spike in one correlates with a spike in the other, even though they are entirely different years.

@Chris-bd6ll 10 месяцев назад

When is Michael going to receive his Pulitzer Prize

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

When he tells the truth for once, maybe. Marine biologists agree there is no impact on whales from wind farm construction or exploration. The equipment they use is like a fifth the volume of oil exploration. This guy doesn't even get the diets of right whales correct.

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

When he concedes his own data shows his thesis is wrong. There is no correlation between whale deaths and wind farm construction or operation.

@zanderterblanche 6 месяцев назад

I understand both points of view should be represented, but Bri was hilarious in this.

@jamesjohnson-wn6jg 9 месяцев назад

Our nuclear plant in Cape Town attracts marine life with the runoff . There are no algae blooms etc .

@carolmurray5048 10 месяцев назад

I hav been c/o this for ages keep on making it happen and I’m still waiting for the next episode of this show.Keep on keeping up with the new episodes of this series.please where are Save The Whales 🐳 these beautiful animals need more love and attention keep up with this coverage

@mrg0th1er83 3 месяца назад

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

Shellenberger is not interested on saving whales from sound pollution, or he'd complain about the much louder oil industry. There is no correlation at all between wind farm construction and whales deaths, only whales deaths and ocean temperature. Shellenberger is a pro oil spin doctor.

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

Shellenberger's own data shows there is no correlation between wind farm construction and operation and whale deaths.

@stoicsage85 8 месяцев назад

“I’m no way or against” this but then say everything in disagreement of what he said while reading it off a teleprompter. He countered all their arguments very well it just seems like those 2 had an agenda and weren’t listening at all.

@daviderb3922 10 месяцев назад

Save the whales🙏🙏🙏

@ForbiddTV 9 месяцев назад

That's why I refer to them as ruinables.

@bradwilson6601 10 месяцев назад

Correlation does not prove causation.

@classact7493 10 месяцев назад

The marine life needs to protest!

@therealcnn5346 10 месяцев назад

They do hear in Florida. Heat yes!!!

@DM-pe2iy 10 месяцев назад

IT'S GREEN ENERGY WE HAVE TO HAVE IT $$$$$$ 💵 💲 🤑

@curtiszzzchicago 10 месяцев назад

Construction noise, sure. The real problem is the infrasound the field will create. And it comes from more sources than you know.

@curtiszzzchicago 10 месяцев назад

@@motorheadmike1477 Disney did a experiment and made a dozen employees real sick.

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

There is no evidence of even a correlation between whale death and wind farm activity or construction. Shellenberger's own graphs disagree with him.

@brb5506 10 месяцев назад

Attempts to save the planet will destroy the planet.

@Grow3Glow 3 месяца назад

Exactly. If we had more whales and trees and nature was thriving....we would naturally reduce co2

@wheel-man5319 3 месяца назад

@@Grow3GlowIf you take the time to study co2 and how much plants need, as well as historic levels of co2 then you might be very much not concerned about having too much co2 in the atmosphere.

@user-fb8jb5yi6g 4 месяца назад

The post is flagged. So it must be hitting the truth.

@order9066 9 месяцев назад

Save the planet by ignoring environmentalists.

@johangoris9728 10 месяцев назад

Possible thinking how we can reduce the noice in the sea when we place new windmills.

@wheel-man5319 3 месяца назад

How about not building them there at all? There are many more reasons not to build them than there are to build them. The first one I can think of is this; The ocean is a very harsh environment for something like a wind turbine. Just because they're not in your line of sight doesn't mean they're not causing great environmental harm.

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

@@wheel-man5319 There is, I find myself stating once again, no correlation, according to both marine biologists, independent studies, and Shellenberger's _own data,_ between wind farms and whale deaths.

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

Johangoris, oil exploration is magnitudes louder. They need to survey beneath the ocean, which takes bursts of sound that are magnitudes louder, loud enough to actually damage the eardrums of whales. This is because they need to bounce noise off strata deep beneath the surface of the ocean floor, and need to hear the echo produced, because they don't just need to know the shape of the floor, but where oil is beneath it.

@lorettatunnicliffe589 9 месяцев назад

What is meant that we want to protect species to a point? Would there be more outrage if the species was harpooned to death?

@cwagner122 10 месяцев назад

said it once and ill say it 1000 more times they only green is MONEY.

@natures_guardians 9 месяцев назад

Note for Michael: right whales are baleen whales. They don't feed on fish. They don't hunt. They eat zooplankton.

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

Michael Shellenberger is lying about everything else, not surprised to hear that that was a lie, too.

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

Not surprised to hear that Shellenberger got this wrong. His own data doesn't even agree with his thesis. There's no correlation between windfarm construction and operation and whale death.

@the_eerie_faerie_tales 10 месяцев назад

Where's Don Quixote when ya need him??

@liamfisher9230 10 месяцев назад

I liked this comment, ironically. Being that Don Quixote fought an imaginary villain - windmills.

@the_eerie_faerie_tales 10 месяцев назад

@@liamfisher9230 yeah it's a joke.

@liamfisher9230 10 месяцев назад

Yup, my apologies. I misunderstood your context.

@wheel-man5319 3 месяца назад

😂

@the_eerie_faerie_tales 3 месяца назад

@@liamfisher9230 no worries! hard to tell context online

@Ashingda 8 месяцев назад

Wind energy is NOT green energy, I hate it when they use that term.

@wheel-man5319 3 месяца назад

Exactly it (wind energy) is neither green, not renewable.

@ForbiddTV 9 месяцев назад

"Please save us not the whale." - The Clash

@oscariglesias9004 7 месяцев назад

Someone was regurgitating the last statement for her to repeat, but the fact remains, closure of Indian Point is an act of climate terrorism.

@tracym4132 9 месяцев назад

Subsidies. That's the real reason for the turbines as well as for solar panels. Follow the money.

@jenniferzennifer6949 10 месяцев назад

Its all about money

@s.daniels9564 10 месяцев назад

Big Wind mega-corps couldn't care less about the environment. As usual, it's just about the $.

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

Those corps aren't really mega, yet. Anyhow, marine biologists all agree there's no correlation between whale deaths and wind farm construction. Shellenberger is just spin doctoring for oil, as he tends to do... in fact, his OWN graphs disagree with him!

@JustAnotherWiseMan3588 10 месяцев назад

Is there any type of current technology we can use or create if nonexistent to redirect the Wales safely away from those areas using what we know about their migrations and direct them two other feeding areas just wondering

@Bike_Lion 10 месяцев назад

The problem is not a lack of technology to "redirect" the wales. The noise itself does a perfectly good job of "redirecting" them. The problem is that these areas are their homes and breeding grounds. They don't have a lot of good alternatives....And as noted in this video, alternative areas often have a lot less food available, and/or more ship traffic, and wales become exhausted trying to reach safer areas. So no, the issue isn't using or creating new technology to "redirect" them. It's that we need to *stop* building and maintaining the off-shore industrial wind turbines that are disrupting their habitat.

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

Marine biologists broadly agree there is no correlation between offshore wind farming and whale death. Even Shellenberger's own data, if you line it up year by year, shows no correlation. Shellenberger is just an oil shill.

@Debtslave155 10 месяцев назад

Scandal is right

@casparcoaster1936 10 месяцев назад

IF you've ever eaten at a sushi restaurant in Tokyo as the little boats on the counter top moat float by....u no there are MANY people more about eating whales (within 15 min of serving) then saving them...

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

I dunno about any of that, I have never seen whale served anywhere here, but I do want to point out that Shellenberger is wrong --- his own data shows no correlation.

@IanMartin-vb3im 10 месяцев назад

On the bright side we can use the dead whales to heat are lamps.thats a joke by the way

@drstrangelove4998 10 месяцев назад

Cost benefit of nuclear? One of the most crucial is surely that it’s the safest form of power production the world has. Fukushima, Three Mile Island wasn’t the direct cause of any death.

@petercollingwood522 10 месяцев назад

Three mile island was a minor accident. Chernobyl was indeed a direct cause of deaths not to mention massive radiation contamination. And Fukushima is a radioactive waste problem which is poisoning the Pacific ocean and currently there seems to be no good way to stop it. That however is not Nuclear powers fault per se but he result of morons that figured it was a good idea to build a plant on the shore of the country that gave the world the word Tsunami.

@stanhry 9 месяцев назад

I recently watched an episode of Nova on PBS ,about plight of the whales. They blamed climate change but showed no evidence. Made me if the wind farms were the cause? There is not enough breeding happening also. The whales histrionic breeding grounds.

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

Even Shellenberger's own graphs in his documentary show no correlation between wind farms and whale deaths. Marine biologists all agree that there's no correlation, let alone any evidence of _causation._ His hypothesis is also pretty ridiculous considering that oil rigs make more noise, and oil exploration uses a kind of sound probing that is VASTLY louder than ANYTHING used in finding places to put wind farms. This is because oil exploration needs to _find oil,_ which means surveying deep beneath the surface, and you need louder noises to detect the echoes than if you were just surveying the sea floor. But Shellenberger has for a very long time been very pro oil, and you'll never hear a peep about any of this from him. Warmer oceans cause changes in marine ecosystems that have been pushing whales to migrate to different areas. Statistically, these areas have tended to be high in traffic, and also areas patrolled by mainstream fishing boats. The latter tend to use nets that are dangerous to whales, unlike coastal, small fishermen who use safer nets. The graphs show a clear link between temperature and whale death, and we also have a causal mechanism that isn't a just so story.

@wallyblackler46 9 месяцев назад

Notice how she just spews out, democratic talking points she’s a shell

@stanstreatfield3485 9 месяцев назад

the word is shill.

@RodOsterhout-fh8wq 10 месяцев назад

How much damage to the coral reefs?as well I agree corrupt government!!! From top down

@jungyul2005 10 месяцев назад

Save the 🐋

@wallyblackler46 9 месяцев назад

How do they control the blowouts from these things when they they go bad at all that oil and everything leaks into the water explain that they won’t

@jtwilliams8895 10 месяцев назад

The unforeseen environmental impacts of “green energy” are devastating. As if carbon emissions are the only threat to the environment. Of course they aren’t, but others aren’t as profitable. I hope we figure this out before the consequences are irreversible. Don’t like offshore drilling? You should oppose this just as hard

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

Oil is vastly more profitable than wind farms, why else do you think there's so many oil rigs and refineries???? And wind farms don't hurt whales, Shellenberger is making it all up. His own graphs show there's no correlation. Besides, oil rigs are louder.

@BjornSeverinLarsen 3 месяца назад

Saw the video about how whales deaths and the construction of wind turbines is corelated. Im confused - where is this corelation?

@matthewjackson337 2 месяца назад

there is none, this video is just complete bs, watch potholer54's breakdown of the video

@Grow3Glow 3 месяца назад

If we had more whales we could naturally reduce co2

@therealHogmaNtheIntruder 9 месяцев назад

This guy gets it.

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

This guy is an overt liar. His own data shows no correlation. Marine biologists agree there is no correlation. Wind farms gave zero quantifiable impact on whale deaths. And oil exploration is louder, anyways.

@bonniehainey2206 10 месяцев назад

Save the whales!

@sbjay3519 10 месяцев назад

We need net-zero impact on these whales.

@playlistjohnnybitter 10 месяцев назад

Coal will win in the end.

@zaphodisgod 10 месяцев назад

Why is Bri pushing back on this? Why does she hate whales?

@user-ym1mk5mx9l 10 месяцев назад

@@fotoguru222how the duck do you think those things are bad?

@bidhrohi12 10 месяцев назад

Why do you hate black people?

@pjacobsen1000 10 месяцев назад

She is pushing back on allegations made without evidence. That is the right way to do it. Note Shellenberger using terms like "we see", "correlated", "we think", "would cause deaths". These are all beliefs, not evidence.

@responsumestxlii5686 2 месяца назад

The Hill hates whales, apparently. Odd choice.

@liamfisher9230 10 месяцев назад

"That loud you noise you hear which is the sonar mapping of the ocean floor eventually will be pile driving to build those wind turbines" - Michael Schellenberger. To be clear then, the wind turbines are not disrupting whale migration patterns, but sonar is. Sonar is any device that surveys ocean floors using sound. These are used anywhere from submarines, commercial shipping, weather/hurricane detection, fishing boats...but he chooses to go after wind turbines. Hmmm...

@topomusicale5580 10 месяцев назад

They said sonar and then the actual pile driving to install them.

@liamfisher9230 10 месяцев назад

Yeah, very sneaky in his dialect.

@davidg426 10 месяцев назад

All this faux outrage is hysterical. Where have they been all these years? It's all the not in my back yard syndrome.

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

@@topomusicale5580 Perhaps, but Shellenberger's own data disagrees with him. There's no correlation between whale deaths and offshore wind farm construction or operation.

@svetlanakonovich3576 10 месяцев назад

Save the whales ❤

@johnwilmott4689 10 месяцев назад

Did Rob say that green energy is cheaper?

@wheel-man5319 3 месяца назад

Of course he did... But the only reason that 'green' energy is cheaper is because the govt is subsidizing it. When the true cost of either not having electricity when you need it, or building 100% backup (whether that's batteries [not currently practical] or NG fired turbines) then the cost of 'renewables' becomes practically infinite.

@wallyblackler46 9 месяцев назад

Nuclear plants will last a whole lot longer than any of these wind turbines they may only last 10 years then you have to change the blades. The blades are in environmental disaster they should change from blades. To eggbeater types which rotate on their own circumference

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

From what I understand, they're using materials in the wind blades that are more easily disposed of anti-inflammatory. Also, Shellenberger's own data shows no correlation between whale deaths and windfarm construction / operation. Not antinuclear, I'm just not antiwind.

@dannysullivan3951 28 дней назад

Schellenberger angling for a spot on Fox

@qwerty6574 19 дней назад

You hate whales?

@dannysullivan3951 18 дней назад

@@qwerty6574 Whales have become a danger. They're sinking yachts in off Gibraltar. Climate denial is a sad way to make a living.

@petersaulnier3526 4 месяца назад

seems like these northeast windfarms are not a wise use of important resources so many problems with huge wind equipment in this location. if they will try a smaller project to prove if there is a cost benefit, maybe. but when it is government spending tax money its often done badly. solar project Solyndra in 2009 USA tax money spent -- $560 Mil = 770 million today,, market changed & by 2011 Solyndra bankrupt. loss of all.. all because projects starting too large and rushed too fast to see the flaws.

@Joseph-zd2ru 10 месяцев назад

Saving the Whales went out of style or bribed.

@ghoulishcoder5258 10 месяцев назад

Typical, also nuclear solves this.

@user-ym1mk5mx9l 10 месяцев назад

Hey don't say common sense things like that.

@joemajor1156 10 месяцев назад

Bingo Where did the Bison go? Shooters

@rw-xf4cb 5 месяцев назад

We need the whales - who's going to contact the probe in the 24th century?

@wayneborkovich3460 10 месяцев назад

I thought the right whale deaths were being caused by lobster fishing or so I was told

@palirvin1871 9 месяцев назад

Went from trying to save the whales... NOW...hijacked by the talking heads to save the planet 40 years from now.

@robertblake1228 9 месяцев назад

Thats why you shouldnt have kids doing a news show.

@dn9156 9 месяцев назад

The conclusions you reach when you're ignorant of how things work. What a joke of a "theory"

@robmari497 9 месяцев назад

Omg Bri Was stewing about looking ridiculous re: her nuclear power plant being shut down. She couldn’t let it go - you need to be able to realize when your own argument has been destroyed ! She needs to let it go…she’s a good commentator, but made herself look very silly’s 😅

@zeigs23 2 месяца назад

Bri is smart, but not yet very mature. It will be interesting to see how she evolves over the years as public intellectual.

@DaraParsavand 10 месяцев назад

Disappointing segment. The point isn’t to trade various methods of wind to various methods of nuclear, it’s that obviously the siting and environmental impact statement generation wasn’t done correctly (this is the assertion made by Shellenberger anyway). Stick to facts and ways to quickly resolve the issue of this particular project. Debate nuclear energy on another video.

@brobabelife 9 месяцев назад

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@user-tn6ui7me4q 10 месяцев назад

Yeah the lady is going to save the whales by talking about nuke plants for the whole show. God she can be goofy at times. Kind of like that mess called Ball

@hobopiesforeveryone 10 месяцев назад

Im super cereal

@mannycheese1166 8 месяцев назад

It's not necessarily the pile driving and boat traffic that's detrimental to the whales/marine mammals. It's the seismic testing needed to find suitable bottom to set these offshore structures on, similar to building a bridge. These offshore wind projects require huge areas of testing right from Maine all the way down to Virginia. The Diamond offshore wind project in Maine alone requires 1800 square miles. The seismic testing machines used is similar to the testing used for the offshore oil industry. The machines can produce up to 250 decibels. The hypocrisy from some of these environmental groups actions on this offshore wind testing vs the testing from gas and oil companies is hilarious if not for the effects on the marine life. Another thing of comedy, the company leading the charge in the US offshore wind ,Orsted, is an old Danish oil company still full of old oil execs. They sure know how to play environmentalists like a fiddle.

@mrg0th1er83 3 месяца назад

The oil exploration needs to be that loud because they are trying to see underground. Wind farms only need to see the surface and therefore make way less noise to see the bottom. There is no evidence that wind farm preparations cause any more trouble than standard ships at sea. If wind farms need to be stopped because it is too loud, shipping and more importantly noisy oil rigs would need to stop too. The data provided in this documentary actually disproves the correlation between wind farm and whale deaths they claim to expose…

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

They aren't the same machine, and the sound they make is more like 50 decibels. Shellenberger is a spin doctor. Marine biologists all agree that wind farm construction has nil impact on whales. This anti wind farm thing is itself just more mindgames from oil execs, probably because they'd rather redirect the funding to oil, which is more profitable. Reminds me of the propagandist's cliche, "in chaos, there is opprtunity."

@mannycheese1166 3 месяца назад

@@peppermintgal4302 On a side note, that very project, Ocean II along with Ocean I ceased operations recently citing increases in material cost along with inflation.. Previous to the announcement, they had requested increases from the already large subsidies they receive ,with the Biden administration refusing.

@mannycheese1166 3 месяца назад

@@peppermintgal4302 Have no idea why my comments get deleted. Maybe someone is reporting. I'll try again. "They aren't the same machine, and the sound they make is more like 50 decibels" Nope. Been there, done that. I worked in the geophysical industry for 4 years. Yes , the technology has advanced, still harmful to marine life AND it's not like the oil industry still uses older technology. It's all bad. "Marine biologists all agree that wind farm construction has nil impact on whales." Lolol. Yeah. All of them. You live in clown world? Probably why Offshore Wind Companies are covering their tracks with Marine Mammal incidentals for Offshore surveys. From the Federal Register. On October 1, 2021, NMFS received a request from Ocean Wind II for an IHA to take marine mammals incidental to high-resolution geophysical (HRG) marine site characterization surveys offshore of New Jersey. On March 3, 2023, NMFS received a request from Ocean Wind II for an IHA to take marine mammals incidental to HRG marine site characterization surveys offshore of New Jersey in BOEM Lease Area OCS-A 0532 and associated ECR area. Ocean Wind II's request is for take of 16 species (comprising 17 stocks) of marine mammals. But hey, they say there will likely be no deaths, so nothing to see here, .Move along. "This anti wind farm thing is itself just more mindgames from oil execs" The old Danish oil company Orsted is leading the charge on this . The CEO of Diamond offshore wind is a former Exxon CEO. Lol. So what you're saying is it's oil vs oil.

@mannycheese1166 2 месяца назад

@@peppermintgal4302 How's about that Ocean Wind II with their taking a marine mammals incidental to high-resolution geophysical ? Isn't that wonderful? I have no idea why an old oil company would do that. I hear this offshore wind geophysical is all but a simple tickle for whales ,.

@randallstephens1680 5 месяцев назад

Well done Shellenberger. You other two should just shut up.

@Anikanoteven 4 месяца назад

Is there anyone more convinced of their brilliance more than Brianna Gray ? I very much want to hear all sides of an argument. But why are her’s so illogical, filled with incorrect facts and frankly…lame. She can’t stand being proved wrong so during the interview she quickly googles wiki to throw back out “facts” at Shellenberger and then cuts off the interview so she doesn’t get shown up again. What a journalistic loser. Both of them were so shown to be not at the level of Shellenberger’s journalistic level.

@peppermintgal4302 3 месяца назад

I didn't watch the video, so I have no idea about Brianna Gray's argument, but Potholer54 die a fantastic job of showing that Shellenberger's own graphs don't agree with him.

@user-ym1mk5mx9l 10 месяцев назад

Oh my people are causing more harm lol not surprising. Maybe just maybe invest in your youth and they will actually come up with a good solution but no.

@user-ym1mk5mx9l 10 месяцев назад

@@elmastro-ye9lw how?

@nomnomnooma 9 месяцев назад

Usually, Bri makes me angry. I was incredibly impressed at the pushback, fact checking, and actual logical debate she brought in, and not the ideological arguments she brings in sometimes. Incredibly refreshing for me