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Repainting The Playfield Of A 1977 Bally Eight Ball Pinball Machine - They Ripped The Mylar Off!

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@williamsudbrink4187 3 года назад

How to remove the mylar: 1) Yank off the mylar 2) Send to Ron for repainting 3) Good as new

@pezjohnson 3 года назад

I'm always amazed how well your painting turns out.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

We try to balance time and a lack of talent to get it the best we can lol

@aitorbleda8267 3 года назад

@@LyonsArcade You might want to try glazing medium. It makes paint semitransparent, the idea is being able to do layers and to gradually blend he existing paint with the new one if the color match is not perfect. I use it for miniature painting. Anyway, amazing job as always.

@aitorbleda8267 3 года назад

@@LyonsArcade So I bought some glazing medium for you if you want to test it. Should arrive soonish.

@fishon8406 3 года назад

Thanks! Awesome. For color matching you could get the local paint store guy to come out and catalog all your colors and keep them on file in his computer.

@theoldar 3 года назад

When will all the pinball repair people listen to you? Oh, the humanity!

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

I'm learnin' 'em

@robertlipsett2535 3 года назад

thought that mixing paint in bottle caps was interesting. I like using clear condiment cups like they have at fast food restaurants where you squirt it into the cup from the big pump jar. I can keep a mix I have covered for later use if I miss something. I can use the clear cup to put a sample on then hit it with a hair dryer to dry it and then put the clear cover over the play field artwork and look through it to compare the colors side by side. the last use I have for them is when removing hardware from the play field. I put each section its own cup to not confuse the parts and to keep them from rolling away. I use different sizes for what I am going to be using it for. small for paint and large for holding screws and those plastics retainers

@scottmccann 3 года назад

Thanks for the extended segment on painting Ron. Very much appreciate you walking us through a more detailed look at the paint fix process with the ins and outs as well as what can come across as “good enough”. Your approach to subjectivity is spot on imho.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

We try! Thanks for watching!

@jumpingjack2605 3 года назад

The 8 ball target was originally rectangular on this game, the round target that's there will work, but if you just miss the target to the right or left side the ball will smack the metal bracket behind it. Nice job on the touch up as usual

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Good job finding something to complain about, if you look harder you might find some more that you don't like!

@yesitreallyisme 3 года назад

Great job you two as usual, the guy will love it.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

I think so too!

@saskia6750 3 года назад

always loved Bally 8 Ball such an attractive looking game,bright n vibrant,but a really really hard game to play !! Thank you for the video guys x :)

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Yeah I really like the design, it's not completely symmetrical so it makes it more artistic and attractive than a regular pool table :)

@gallimead 3 года назад

Hey Ron, I went to Lowes, asking for worn out files..darn it, they only had new rough files..😁

@edwardskerness9226 3 года назад

Ron, you rock the repair. I've learned a ton!!!

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Thanks Edward, glad you enjoyed it!

@scottthatcher9086 3 года назад

I have removed mylar in the past and get it off clean, but YOU MUST take your time. A single piece can take a 20 hours or more. I use a razor blade and goof off, test your paint to make sure the goof off will not damage the paint. The first step is to saturate the edge with the goof off, let it soak for a while. Then start to chip the edges with the razor blade and only hit the softened glue. Each time you make progress add more goof off. Rinse and repeat until it is off, IT WILL TAKE A LONG TIME>

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

It can be done but the vast majority of people who do it don't do it right :)

@aarongreenfield9038 3 года назад

I prefer the old dingy patina On those old machines.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

I do too!

@wasserman63 3 года назад

nice job

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Thank you Axel!

@RetroGamingWithHopper 3 года назад

Matching paint is one of the hardest things I have found. Looks good Ron great job as always.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Thanks Hopper we appreciate that, sometimes they turn out alright, sometimes they turn out bad and sometimes they turn out great :)

@RetroGamingWithHopper 3 года назад

@@LyonsArcade I have the same problem and some I would like to hide so no one can see them.

@memyopinionsche6610 3 года назад

When you showed off the bottles the one next to the 12 ball was pretty damn close. Leaf Green... I totally agree.

@1954markymark 3 года назад

I was given one of the eight ball pinball game. Fellow was going to throw it out because it quit working. Bad connection on one of the connectors that fed the 5V power to chips. I cleaned connector , powered up and have been playing it ever since.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Very cool! Many times yup that's mainly what's wrong with it, the connectors or something on the power supply....

@clintevans6643 3 года назад

Looks great Ron! Looking forward to the next video.

@derekmccord3798 3 года назад

Hey Ron I am Derek, thanks for the videos.

@markt6199 3 года назад

Hello Matt!

@shadowninja1474 3 года назад

Hello Matt!!

@simonphelon7221 3 года назад

The age damage is patina, its beautiful. Without patina the item might as well be a cheap plastic replica.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

I agree!

@crunchyfrog555 3 года назад

Ron, I've been watching your videos a few months as I have a pinball I've had for about 10 years and have picked up a few tips. I'm so glad you did this today. Mine has largely worked fine, although there's three pop bumpers that need sorting (which I can do at some point). But there are two things that annoy me about it - the external paint needs attention as it's faded. But the playfield has mylar across it in one big piece and they made a hash of it. Bubbles and so on. I was reticent to touch it, but I was wondering about heat gunning it and testing on a corner. Now I shall. And thank you for the clearcoat thing, I was also thinking about that too, should the mylar go well.

@djlamar2 3 года назад

Dude you can't even tell where the new paint is after you finished. Its like the paint was never ripped off :D

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

It was pretty good, most people wouldn't even notice but it could have been better :)

@djmips 3 года назад

I'm all ready to crucify you for bad color matching but you know what? You always do pretty damn good... You have an uncommon eye and skill for concocting matches!

@70sAirForceBrat 3 года назад

Used your Amazon link

@adamp3988 3 года назад

Damn, that "sticker-removal" damage is common even on the furniture I work on! Sometimes people will buy their kid a really nice desk or something for college, and they'll plaster stickers all over it. Of course, when you go to remove it, it pulls up the finish like that and makes it hell to fix! Interestingly, you can use acrylic paints to touch up wood finishes as well if you're delicate and patient. If you water it down heavily and work in really thin layers, you can even get it to look pretty damn close to a legitimate stain. (You have to clear-coat it like you do with your machines to protect it, though!) I suppose my question is, then, how *do* you remove mylar safely from these old machines? I figure it's probably really involved --- probably to the point of not being worth it from a business-perspective. But perhaps for an enthusiast who's willing to put the time into their own machine, what would you suggest?

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

I've never sucessfully done it, but you can freeze it off (get the glue really cold) then slowly pull it away (over hours), or you can heat it up and pull it off slowly (over hours) not worth the trouble to me, but there are videos around of people doing it. They nearly always screw up the paint though on these old machines because the entire playfield's surface is covered in cracks.

@MrVectrex 3 года назад

I actually got a problem you describe with a Bally/Midway game called Heavy Metal Meltdown. It is about the capasitors mounted on "Fast Acting Features". They mounted capasitors on the rollover switches in the top lanes. Did Bally/midway redesigned the swithmatrix so bad so even if it was a "Fast Acting Feature" or a slow one it needed a capasitor? What was happened is that the game suddenly counted up points without hitting anything. Thanks for a great video.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

That's a pretty sweet game, I had that one before, were those on the ramp? I remember something about it having issues if it hit the ramp too fast sometimes it couldn't tell the ball was in there or something....

@MrVectrex 3 года назад

@@LyonsArcade No the ramp worked fine. The issue was about the top rollover swithes. (3 as i remember). Have you turned in to this problem before? or was it maybe a design flaw when Bally collaborated with Midway?

@EsotericArctos 3 года назад

That playfield is in such good condition. Such a shame about the mylar was removed like that. For its age, that playfield is overall excellent. Mixing the paint in the cap is fine, as long as you rinse the cap after. They only say don't mix in the cap in case you contaminate the other paint.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Yeah I couldn't believe how well the balls in the middle have held up, you know usually with the inserts that chips up first, but this one looked pretty decent! Thank you for watching Brendan, we appreciate your insight!

@RetroTuna Год назад

Looks better, didnt know you waxed the play field how do you do that.

@waynegram8907 3 года назад

JOES CLASSIC, Does all pinball games in the 70's and 80's always have a LAMP Test and Switch TEST diagnostic modes? I thought most 70's and early 80's pinball games don't always have a Lamp test and switch test diagnostic modes only some pinball games do?

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

They do all have a lamp test and a switch test... but the ones on Gottlieb games aren't very good (the System 1 games) because the test cancels after a few seconds, it's hard to use!

@waynegram8907 3 года назад

@@LyonsArcade The 70's and early 80's lamp test and switch test will test each lamp separately, switch test separately, solenoid test separately one by one? Because when I watch your repair videos I don't see you using the lamp test, switch test, solenoid test. Mostly you do it manually one by one and right down on a piece of paper which ones are bad but that takes 30mins to do it the long way. Why don't you use the lamp test, switch test, solenoid test modes?

@robertlipsett2535 3 года назад

when you spot coat do you mask an area off or just hold card stock up to block over spray and feather it. how many coats and do you buff it with anything after? trying to improve my technique

@scottmccann 3 года назад

Great vids on this classic! Q. I seem to recall that the 8 ball target was a big square red thing. Did they make a variant with a regular target?

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

Good eye, you found one of the negatives! Did you see anything else wrong?

@scottmccann 3 года назад

@@LyonsArcade all else looks good (from what my aging memory can recall :-)

@tcb8295 3 года назад

Ron, it's called a pet peeve....mylar removal...ugh says Ron. Thanks for the video.

@vulcan6036 2 года назад

What is the best way to refresh or clean the apron.

@LyonsArcade 2 года назад

You can actually WAX it, wax is a cleaner and since it's oil based it won't usually take any of the paint off. A lot of the paint is water based and when you spray windex or something on it it makes the paint run. Wax works great though....

@ocsrc 3 года назад

Still amazing how good of an artist you are. Most left handed people are artistic. I went to Catholic school, and Catholics think that left hand is the Devil, so they hit the kids, starting as soon as they can, even in preschool, they hit any kid who is left handed, every time they use their left hand, to " train " them to be right handed. I use my right hand now, and my writing is horrible. I often think what I might have been able to do if I was left handed. I can't draw at all. I wish I didn't go to Catholic School Was not my choice.

@RetroGamePlayers 3 года назад

Hey Ron, great video man. What clearcoat did you use? I'm guessing you sprayed it on because the playfield was blank, but what if you are just doing a small area after doing touch up with acrylic paint like you are using? Also how would you recommend to apply it on, brush, sponge or paper towel like you did with the paint? Thanks!!

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

I spray it on with just regular rustoleum clear coat you can buy at Lowes, and when I'm doing just a small part I just spray that part too. If you do it in satin once you wax it you can't tell where the spray ends and the original finish of the playfield starts. It originally had some sort of clear coat on it anyways....

@RetroGamePlayers 3 года назад

@@LyonsArcade Right on thanks I appreciate it!

@donaldtaylor6317 3 года назад

Pet peas is the word

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

I think it's Pet Peeve isn't it? You know what i'm talking about though...

@scotttunstall9513 2 года назад

Where can I get a replacement back-box for this machine? The one I just got has a dry-rotted back-box. Also, the playfield lights don't work and the machine won't start.

@Brandon-rs1ot 3 года назад

I have this game and looking for the small chime box, unfortunately mine is missing 😕 any ideas for a replacement?

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

They actually make them brand new! www.chimeunit.com/bally-compatible-chime-unit

@Brandon-rs1ot 3 года назад

@@LyonsArcade thanks for the response, but its the second smaller chime box that I'm missing. I noticed two wires in mine and wasn't sure what they were for until I saw the inside of the one you were working on.

@memyopinionsche6610 3 года назад

But I do understand there's a big difference between you seeing it in real life compared to me on a video. Yeah that's why your the professional and I'm just the spectator. Doing a awesome job though.

@LyonsArcade 3 года назад

It's all good :) Yes on the camera it's a little bit off sometimes how it looks to the naked eye ,but it oculd be the camera is seeing it better than my eye is :)