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Repair Marathon 21.04: #5 Update on Gigabyte GA-486VF 

Necroware
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During my April's repairathon I could only partially address the issues of my mainboard Gigabyte GA-486VF. In this promissed update video I'm fixing the issues left over from the last time.
Gigabyte GA-486VF @ UH19:
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16 окт 2024

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Комментарии : 71   
@CPUGalaxy
@CPUGalaxy 3 года назад
Excellent root cause analysis! Unbelievable how much love and patience you put into your stuff. Absolutely well done. as I said already, the best retro repairing channel on RU-vid!! Thanks for sharing. Cheers, Peter
@86smoke
@86smoke 3 года назад
I like how most of retro techs follow each other on youtube. Just finished watching your TI486SXL2-50 video.
@Shmbler
@Shmbler 3 года назад
I managed to create exactly such a broken trace on an A500 board when prying out a DIP chip carelessly with a screwdriver. It took me hours to find the cause with the chip on top of it. I've learned my lesson. And you are so right with your advice! Countless times it took me just a night of sleep over a very frustrating problem and the next morning I magically found the right track and fixed it in no time. I think the wisdom to sometimes call it a day comes with age ;-)
@JVHShack
@JVHShack 3 года назад
Necroware living up to his name! 😃 Great job on resurrecting that mainboard.
@R.N.42
@R.N.42 Год назад
Nice to see that you could fix this board as well. And with what a twist :) Great conclusion to am awesome repair marathon. Very satisfying and heart warming to see these old beauties coming back to life! Great work as always!
@tommcclintock5019
@tommcclintock5019 2 года назад
I'd bet what you're describing where a solution "comes to you" after setting something aside is essentially a kind of subconscious awareness. You almost certainly saw that jumper previously but didn't consciously acknowledge it. Later, your brain finally caught up and, voila, you have your answer in your conscious mind. BTW, I quite enjoy your videos. They're informative without being overly wordy.
@darthtripedacus1
@darthtripedacus1 2 года назад
This is well beyond my skill level. You do amazing work sir.
@lisandro3614
@lisandro3614 3 года назад
Impeccable work, and great advice. If you know there's an error somewhere but you can't find it, «sleeping on it» usually works very well. Sometimes you just blind yourself...
@Xaltar_
@Xaltar_ 3 года назад
Awesome job, nice to see you got this one up and running again. The right tools and a good eye make all the difference.
@PJBonoVox
@PJBonoVox 3 года назад
Man, I bet it was nice to get closure. Good work!
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 3 года назад
I promised to come back to it, so there was no excuse :D
@Alex4SiliconValley
@Alex4SiliconValley 3 года назад
Thanks for following up on this cache problem. I have the same motherboard and it has a cache problem too. It does not see any cache. I suspected a bad connector. I will have to revisit it with a multimeter and check for dead pin connection.
@cburgess5294
@cburgess5294 3 года назад
I don't know why your videos don't have more views - they are interesting and well-produced. I hope more people discover your channel and your subscriber count grows.
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 3 года назад
Thank you very much. Everything needs its time, I guess. It is not more as easy to reach the audience on YT as before, so it can last longer. But in the last days, the numbers improved quite a lot. I'm happy how it develops and very glad, that you like the content as well.
@netraider0
@netraider0 3 года назад
Truly great video and content, as all your previous videos! 👍 Trust me, if you keep up with this quality, you'll soon be one of the most popular retro computing channels on RU-vid. Btw, this is my first comment on any RU-vid channel ever!
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 3 года назад
Thank you :D I guess, today it needs more, than just a good content to make a channel popular and since I don't do much about it, I don't think, that it will ever fly.... anyway, I am already happy, that so many people like it. Cheers and congratulations to your first comment ;)
@mrvellu
@mrvellu 3 года назад
amazing work! Sometimes the most obvious problem is the hardest
@rodhester2166
@rodhester2166 3 года назад
Awesome, was great to see you found the issues and were able to repair them. cheers.
@inkrpen
@inkrpen 2 года назад
Great job troubleshooting the rest of the issues!
@tomaszgorazinski7018
@tomaszgorazinski7018 3 года назад
Hi Necroware, „Repair Marathon” is grate series! It’s been a pleasure to watch, how you bring back those old mobos form almost certain dead. Please don’t stop and keep them coming! Also great work and logical problem solving approach with step by step testing components technic! I have one favor to ask, that is could you point me on that pulse probe that you using, I thinking on getting one (UE located store will be perfect). Also maybe you will consider an episode on hardware/ equipment and components (flux, wires etc.) that you use in your workshop? I believe that could be very interesting. Thanks in advance and regards from Poland!
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 3 года назад
Hi Tomasz! Thank you very much. I don't remember where I got my logic probe, I guess from China. You can find it on Ebay or other stores under the name LOGIC PROBE LP-1. It costs just around 5-8€, depending on where you buy it. And in regards of hardware/equipment video, I thought about it already, but I'm actually not using a lot of special things. Everything is cheapo no name stuff. I actually don't care about materials I'm using too much. I heard and read endless discussions about solder, flux and other stuff from people, but I don't participate in such discussions. I just use whatever I have at hand and it works as you see in many of my videos. Even for dense SMD soldering, like Voodoo I just used cheapest no name materials from China.... Best Reagards!
@DxDeksor
@DxDeksor 3 года назад
Great job ! I actually thought of the jumper thing, but I couldn't see one so I thought you were out of luck. I guess I should have pointed that out anyways :D You made me buy a logic probe as well :)
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 3 года назад
Thanks Deksor. Yes, the logic probe is worth every cent :)
@XtremeKremaTor
@XtremeKremaTor 3 года назад
Hey. Well done. Mistakes everyone cam make. What matters is the final effect
@denyda1754
@denyda1754 3 года назад
Отличный ремонт.
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 3 года назад
Спасибо большое!
@robbirobson7330
@robbirobson7330 3 года назад
i also bought the same logic probe its really useful
@mndlessdrwer
@mndlessdrwer 2 года назад
Your approach is very similar to mine when encountering a situation where you have a motherboard with optional configuration pins. I always want to have all of the optional pins installed for jumpers and I want as many chip solder points to be equipped with sockets where possible to make future adjustments easier.
@jozefzahradnicek9619
@jozefzahradnicek9619 3 года назад
Wau, wau, wau...You are amazing. Thanks for sharing these knowledge.
@craigkarsten6719
@craigkarsten6719 3 года назад
Great job. As always very informative.
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 3 года назад
Thank you!
@ctiborkoza8944
@ctiborkoza8944 3 года назад
schönes Video, du hast goldene Hände, du kannst alles reparieren, ich freue mich schon auf deinen E-Shop :))))
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 3 года назад
Vielen Dank! Das mit E-Shop ist ja erst Mal nur eine Idee. Ob es kommt, ist nicht klar. Wegen Bürokratie und Steuern, weiß ich noch nicht, ob es sich lohnt.
@ctiborkoza8944
@ctiborkoza8944 3 года назад
@@necro_ware Ich kenne das ganze System mit der Bürokratie der ganzen EU und mache sie unmöglich, tolle Projekte für eine solche Community wie wir sind zu unterstützen, wir beschäftigen uns zum Beispiel mit Retro-Hardware und macht uns glücklich, was traurig ist, dass die Leute das nicht verstehen, was für uns bedeutet.
@diewinkelwaage4646
@diewinkelwaage4646 2 года назад
@@necro_ware Hallo. Auch von mir Gratulation für die gelungene Reparatur. Eine Bitte habe ich. Wäre es möglich, eine Auflistung mit den Namen/Modellbezeichnungen und ggf. auch Bezugsquellen der verwendeten Werkzeuge/Maschinen zu bekommen? Speziell interessieren mich die Entlöt-Pistole und der Logik-Prober. Vorab schon mal vielen Dank.
@RZ296
@RZ296 3 года назад
Your videos is brilliant. Greetings from Russia!
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 3 года назад
Огромное спасибо, очень рад, что видосы вставляют :)
@RZ296
@RZ296 3 года назад
@@necro_ware ух ты, наш человек!
@ted-b
@ted-b 3 года назад
Excellent, love your videos!
@zarkeh3013
@zarkeh3013 3 года назад
I haz a same or similar board! and I removed the keyboard controller ... ungracefully to replace with a full size one that I can hack in a PS2 mouse port. I stopped at the ruined removal and put it away, a few years ago. NOW! ah knows it'sa gonna WORK with that jumper change! and also now, my skills and tools have vastly improved! heh, no more ruining vintage IC's that ruin themselves for me!
@wittonleung8732
@wittonleung8732 3 года назад
Yes!I do have an OCTEK HIPPO 10 mobo just can not boot into DOS with addon L2 cache IC for a long time. Now I have cule to do something again. Thanks a lot
@tiemanowo
@tiemanowo 3 года назад
3:13 why not just solder a jumper headers if you already had it de-soldered? :) ps. nice video as always
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 3 года назад
Thanks! I thought about to use a jumper, but decided to go without, since jumpers at 14MHz are may be not the best idea. Probably it would still work, but since I hopefully will never touch it again, I guess, it's ok just to solder it.
@tiemanowo
@tiemanowo 3 года назад
@@necro_ware Yeah, on the second thought, you are right. Probably nobody will never touch this again :)
@86smoke
@86smoke 3 года назад
Congratulations on finding that broken trace - it is not easy to spot one, especially under the socket
@chazbotic
@chazbotic 3 года назад
that's some crazy bad luck to have damage through the socket frame! but very good investigation and repair. i have a bigger issue with a mainboard that has the all-plastic SIMM socket and they are in such fragile shape that i will need to source 4 of them for my repair. even after replacing just one socket, i still do not pass memory check, so i will examine the traces more closely for physical damage - i might be "lucky" that the fix is something simple like that.
@blackIce504
@blackIce504 2 года назад
what your saying is a good practice but we need a special box that the wife does not touch and throw away because its not working.............the only solution i was able to find is to say its all working, now i don't know which box is which.......LOL. love your videos keep it up.
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 2 года назад
LOL :D
@dalecomer5951
@dalecomer5951 3 года назад
Bravo!
@OllyK121
@OllyK121 2 года назад
@necroware - I have a similar issue on boot. It hangs before it can boot from floppy. Sometimes it tries to boot from the floppy but it says boot failure - I know the boot disk is good. Tried different floppy drives and cables. Does disabling L2 cache in the BIOS bypass any bad cache chips? I plan to remove them all soon and check traces
@atheatos
@atheatos 3 года назад
That was a very nice repair :)
@K10driver
@K10driver 3 года назад
Nice Job again!
@DeepRafterGaming
@DeepRafterGaming 3 года назад
well done mate
@Tunguska82
@Tunguska82 3 года назад
Thx for the video! I learned a lot!!
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 3 года назад
Thank you too!
@PicaDelphon
@PicaDelphon 2 года назад
I loved this Board, they ran good, Max cache and some Intergraph Voodoo cards, then the AMD Chips/Intel Wars that was Smart and Stupid at the same time, I Foprget the VLB video card but it was not cheap back then.. But yea, Open GL was a big thing way
@catriona_drummond
@catriona_drummond 3 года назад
after overlooking 4 different defects on some IBM AT board I bought, I made it a habit to examine every incoming mainboard or card for at least 10 minutes with a magnifying glass to spot dodgy things. It is somewhat effective, I am still missing things though.
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 3 года назад
I always do and always overlook something :)
@BlackDragon-xn2ww
@BlackDragon-xn2ww 3 года назад
While you were at it you could have put pins with removable jumper on that keyboard settings solder wire seems a bit more work I seen pc chips boards with them all over the board for different settings
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 3 года назад
Yes, but I don't like to send 14MHz over a jumper and I probably will never need to change it ever again. So a wire is just fine.
@Stratotank3r
@Stratotank3r 3 года назад
Super klasse. Wieder verdammt viel gelernt und deine Einschätzung mit der Pause, wenn etwas nicht klappt, kann ich bestätigen. Mache ich auch so. Wäre total super, wenn du mir noch sagen könntest, ob meine E-Mail Dich erreicht hat.
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 3 года назад
Vielen Dank! Ja, tut mir Leid, Deine Email ist in der Welle, die ich über YT bekomme komplett untergegangen. Seit dem ich die Reparatur-Marathon Videos veröffentlicht habe, werde ich mit Reparaturanfragen bombardiert. Ich antworte Dir auf jeden Fall noch per Mail, sorry.
@Stratotank3r
@Stratotank3r 3 года назад
@@necro_ware Danke für die Antwort. Freue mich auf Deine Nachricht. Werde mich an WE wieder mit dem Board beschäftigen. Neue Sockel, Widerstände sind schon da. Brauche noch einen 50MHz Quarz. Danach muss ich erstmal prüfen, welche Bahnen wohin laufen und beschädigt sind.
@phanominon
@phanominon 3 года назад
Why didn't you put in jumper posts for the KB clock choice? Then you could run either.
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 3 года назад
I already answered similar question below. First if all, I don't think, that I'm going to change it ever again. Second, I prefer not to send 14 MHz over a jumper, if not absolutely needed.
@Dextermorga
@Dextermorga Год назад
You should change the color of the nail polisher. It looks like corrosion. In a few years, it could cause confusion 🙂.
@run4restrun259
@run4restrun259 3 года назад
I'm think this trace was broken than some one try to release chip from socket)
@elpsycongroo5423
@elpsycongroo5423 2 года назад
Ah yes an open in a wire. The worlds most annoying thing to troubleshoot :)
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