Repairing the Toro Rear Drive (Personal Pace) A Closer Look-What Goes Wrong-How to Fix 

Thanks,, good job too! I pinned this comment!!!

That sealed bearing is bad on mine as well. I ordered a bearing with that part number from Amazon, I haven't confirmed yet that the dimensions are the same as mine. Hopefully its right. It's a 17x40x12. I'll find out next week when I go to replace it.

I luv them,,,they clean up nice! They are also easy to stock parts for!!

Thanks for the comment!

thanx for watching!!! I'm still learning how to record video...

Thanks,,,This is one of my 1st videos and needs an update. I started a build late this season and hope to release next season and with better footage,sound and delivery! Thanks for watching!

Thanks!!! Glad to hear,, have fun!!

Glad you found my video helpful. Have fun!

I'm going to go charge a new mower on my Mastercard and take up watercolor painting as my new hobby.

Thanx Charlie, this was one of the early videos

Thanks for watching!!

Yes, that's about as much as you should have as long as it still works and the Gears are on. Also it depends on how your measuring this. The entire shaft can move in the bearing/adjuster mounts. Once the gears and washers are on this should tighten up quite a bit.

Thanx,,,I'm working on a NEW video for this. This is old and with crappy equipment. I took apart 4 machines, grabbed the best parts and I will go over everything. Paint, rust, build, tune, this way I can make a few separate vids with better cameras and lighting.

I don't think so, they don't use the same gears and there is a type of ratchet clutch in the rear! I did another video a couple of years ago, it looked at a bunch of these,, its in the folder for toro. check that out.

Thank you, for your time and the research.

Yup, over the years things changed!

Nice,, good call! Great upgrade! Gonna pin this

I fixed mine so the plastic gears would not wear. Pretty cheap too. May not be your problem. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RVK_po7BRZs.html

Plastic works if the mounting plate is parallel.

Thanks for watching!

lol,,,,yep, I will complain now and again! I have the honda with the rear drive and I complain there too! Its just harder and takes more time to service and repair, customers don't like to cough up the extra cash...

Yes. That shaft has a large gear pressed on at the transmission side of the shaft. As these are a solid shaft, I cannot believe it being broken.

Noted!

Its hard to say, I measure the cable,,,here's a link to my playlist on ways of dealing with cables... ru-vid.com/group/PLN2-S6TaOCsGCHWNn53RsRCsHRNqExcEK

Rust and dirt generally. keep lubricating it, maybe wire wheel

The problem you described never happened to my Toro mower. But the bolts in various locations of the Toro mower have the tendency to get loose because of the vibration in the 12+ years of usage. I have to check and tighten those bolts every once in a while. You might want to check whether you need to tighten or replace the bolt(s) and nut(s) holding the gear.

Not sure what you mean? What is the spin stop feature?

Amazon should have these parts, I don't sell parts sorry.

Not a bad idea to drain the oil and gas. The oil can dump into the cylinder! I have found the best way to replace the drive is for the mower to be upside down!

In my Toro machines folder there may be a video on what your looking for

Best guess is its not disengaging. Could be dirt buildup somewhere not letting the idler pullies to move freely. Time to start taking things apart and look deeper!

Christeen

wow,,, horror. I'm not sure where your issue is, generally I shim with washers when possible to make things mesh. good luck I now go through these completely WAY before I restore these, I dont do repairs on them however. Basically I stay away from these now as there just isn't enough money to pay the time required but I look for the front drive versions!

Wow！ Congrats for getting your mower to work!

It's a common problem on the Toros. They use cheap plastic gears In the wheels

@@leadnsteel1428 The new ones, I just had one here that did, the one in the video is all steal but they rust, that part of the problem.. Factory uses dry lube which wears off, then the rust starts!

Not sure about those, is yours front drive? those are easy. Usually there is a cover on the underside of the rear drive machines. There are a few changes over the years. sometimes all the plastics are in the way.

There are the older wheels and newer, totally different design. I don't remember the tooth number. Also there is a difference in the newer version as well, the metal tooth set vs the newer plastic set is also different. Its best to look up your machine model number. Or ya have to do more research and visually match up.

This may help. I was able to use the original wheels because only the outer edge of the gear was worn. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RVK_po7BRZs.html

I hear ya,,, that's a very good machine indeed. I have the Toro version of that machines somewhere, it has an aluminum deck, its just like the lawnboy except its red and says Toro!

cuz you'd never buy another..same cars, bikes, BBQs.

Thank you and have a great day.

Planned obsolescence is mostly a myth. The thing is problems and mistakes can happen. For example some people maybe had problems with a tool in the beginning while other people have the same exact model and they never had problems. Just because one model had a problem or something happened to it doesn't mean that the whole model year is bad.

I don't know, Lawnboy uses the same transmission, some of them have grease fittings, some don't. Go figure, most of the ones I've been through don't have grease fittings.

Check to see if the mounting plate is parallel with the mower body. I have found the mounting plate is toed in causing the pinion and gear not to mesh.

​@@wrenfanThank you. I fixed it. I took the rear wheels off, bought some grease and greased the zerk fittings. I had tried just greasing the gears with a can of grease and that didn't do it. Once I did the zerk fittings, it freed it up.

@@xsiveoneGood job.

I would like to do this video again! I find that removing the engine as soon as ya realize the transmission is bad is best! I dont remember now, its been a while since I made this video.

have you taken the tire off yet?

@@TheNovaJohn took off the tire, found the rocking key broken..

@@TheNovaJohn Even with the rocking key replaced, I can turn the pulley and drive shaft turns but the gear never turns on the left wheel. ***Edit: needed to lubricate the rocking key. Now it works great

@@shawjoe71 Time to go into that transmission!

@@TheNovaJohn found that the rocking key was broken. $5.34 fixed!

Your gonna have to carefully pry off the lid. Start with a small screw driver. As long as all the screws are out it will come off. It needs to look good in there, look for the galling and stripping I showed. Then re-pack with grease and use some RTV to re-seal.. Sounds like you may be able to fix it!!! I think they are worth the effort..

This may be the problem with the wheel wear. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RVK_po7BRZs.html

The new Plastic ones? not yet

​@@TheNovaJohn they are significantly different and I can't find anything on them.

Interesting,, Most of the rear drives I see fail... I'm working on a few right now, gonna update the channel with the vids when I have time. Gotta save them, they are really nice machines!!! Often it takes a few to save one,, I just went through 4 machines & I think I can save 2 for sure!

This year have a front drive gears where not engaged correctly. Axel bushing on 1 side wore out top bearing little loose so I save gear shim washers, bushings ect from ones I scrap. Put a new bearing 1 good used bushing and took a gear shim washer knock tab out and shim ring gear closer to pinion. Worked out. I bought 2 new bushings from toro dealer for stock and a 10 pack of bearings from Amazon for like $12. That bearing is used in many things. Have I believe 8 toros to sell this spring. Some of the tecumseh are a little hard to get running correctly..

I purchased a 10 pack of pinion bearings from Amazon reasonable price. Same bearing as blade clutch

Great question,, I should do a video on this as its more than one answer! Quick answer is rear drive will need more maintenance. Lets say over a 5 year period of heavy use, maybe in a dusty area, you will need to service it at least once and twice is better as you may notice its not working properly around 3 seasons. Front drive may get to 5 years and then you will notice some issues. However, there are some ways to use the mower people like. Front drive you can lift the wheels while still turning and get around tight or curvy areas! Not as easy with rear drive! That's a brief explanation.

Sweet! Do you do your own service?

I have a large number of front wheel for replacement. What I have seen is the rubber wears off and once or twice I've seen them broken but then again, I go through hundreds every season of sooo many types of machines and ALL the wheels have issues! Sounds like your transmission has an internal issue.. One wheel is being driven for some reason. Make sure both wheels drive with the same amount of turns and the front wheels are lubricated on the shaft with grease.

Lol,,,,,,,, I don't do that anymore,,,,,, Thanks for watchin Andy

Good advice。 Thanks！

@@MrMMMusic123 advice from Rick James...nice.

Yea,, my Honda will if I let it, I released a quick season opener video wit my Honda getting some bearing luvvvvv.. A few guys commented on my using other then dry lube,, I use chain wax now but it probably doesnt matter much as these things mess up anyway as you know....Good luck with yours!

Wish you luck!

I always try to fix the mower myself instead of sending it out. It's fun and gives me a sense of accomplishment.

@@MrMMMusic123 I agree.

A new what?, gear box?,, I sell these machines for around $200,,New they are a small fortune these days

@@TheNovaJohn I bought mine about 5 - 6 years ago and it was almost $500. BTW - Good video.

@@spikebebop9070 Thanks Spike! Yup, they are expensive and worthy of taking good care of!!

Generally I find service is needed about 4 seasons..BUT if its kept nice,, we dont need to do alot, just cleaning and a little lube in some areas! The machines I get are a mess!!

Yea, but it wont stay this way for long, dry grease doesnt last however. I'm thinking of trying Moly dry lube for axles. I'm using chain wax currently and things seem ok so far. Either way it wont last as it didn't originally. The bigger issue is people just don't service these machines. Thanks 4 watching and commenting!

@@harryharry3193 Jersey in the House!!lol I'm using the same grease #2 thats in my grease gun, my bud gives it to me, they use it in al the heavy equipment at his job. For the shafts I picked up some chain wax, goes on like a liquid and turn to a light grease that is like wax

Agreed, one of my 1st videos. Camera wasn't that good and I was sooo new at this.. I think I have another machine like this out back, I really need to make an updated version. Thanks for watching,,,,

On bigger projects, save everything until the project ot complete! I'm saving most things, as I get more I try to go back through it all and keep the better parts..I call it UpSaving lol Your right, sometimes the smallest thing is what ya need and ya just threw it out a week ago,,,Uuughh

Good strategy!

Agreed! I went through a bunch in this video and another as well, similar vid Although these are great machines and if a person took care of it and lubricated this, wow, it could last a really long time!

some of these wheels have plastic, especially now.

Did this instead. Never failed again. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RVK_po7BRZs.html

I now use chain wax, even dry lube is in a grease base! You will never free up one of these when they are stuck without penetrant. Those wheel covers do a good job of keeping crap out for a few years but nothing lasts long anyway,, The factory used dry lube, its good for a couple of years and without service, I get them for free!

Haha! I might try that!

Why, why would it bother you? Is it getting in your eyes? lol

@@TheNovaJohn Smoking causes cancer, heart disease, stroke, lung diseases, diabetes and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), which includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis..Smoking is the leading preventable cause of death in USA. Giving up smoking is difficult for many people. Every year more than 480,000 people die due to tobacco-related diseases, according to the American Cancer Society 1 in 5 of all deaths. Life expectancy is at least 10 years LESS for smokers compared with nonsmokers....!!

@@gingermarron True but the leading cause of death is food based/diet related not to mention health related in terms of health related disease / lifestyle. I have diabetes, type 1 actually. I can assure you its not from smoking. I don't drink, I don't live an unhealthy lifestyle. My daughter almost died before the age of 20 and not from anything other than the poison in the food and the vaccines. Not that I disagree with you at all. I'm in pain after from a crippling back injury and the doctors can figure out how I'm still alive after 2 near death experiences! Most of the time I don't smoke while recording and working but sometimes I think I just enjoy it. BTW the ACS is a joke, they waste almost every dollar they get on expenses and have done nothing for cancer. Don't get me started with this medical system, its really messed up, they cure nothing! I have known people with copd and they didn't smoke. Not that I am justifying smoking, my buddies wife has a failing liver and continued to drink. I think its how she copes with life as her childhood was messed up. We are only human. Thanks fer watching!