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Replacing CMOS Battery On A Gateway ML6720 Laptop 

jaykay18
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Originally recorded September 1, 2018.
It so seems that the CMOS battery on my "travel laptop", this ancient Gateway ML6720, has gone dead after countless years. The laptop is easily 10 years old if not more. The battery was indeed the problem, as proven not only by the "lick test" but also by a VOM.
It turns out Gateway actually had a decent engineer onboard when this thing was made, and they left an access hatch for the battery, though it was hiding in plain sight under a mylar cover. Most times I've seen those mylar covers taped down so I didn't even think to see if it moved. Because of that, I took a bit more of this laptop apart than was needed.
The video you are seeing was recorded later in the day; I had disassembled it early in the morning and came back to it later in the day. That made it a bit more challenging to remember exactly how everything went.
But as usual, it went back together with no extra parts, a new battery, and everything is working perfectly. About a week later, I found myself with a backlog of videos to edit, so I used both my main rig as well as this laptop, and just kept jumping from machine to machine until I got them done. This machine is very dated by today's standards, and isn't very quick in the video rendering department, but it certainly gets the job done.

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@natsen04
@natsen04 Год назад
Thank you!! This fixed my laptop. I have all these pics from my kids and I thought I lost everything. Just want to add that I have the gateway ms2285 and I had to remove the bottom cover to access the battery. I didn't test the battery, I just changed it and it worked.
@jaykay18
@jaykay18 Год назад
You're welcome. The laptop should still power on and boot even with a dead or missing battery, though there have been a few out there that refuse to do anything without that battery. As far as thinking you lost everything, you got away with it this time. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS back up your data. Technology has no sympathy. This video you just watched, I have 4 working copies of it, in case, in case, in case. That's how important it is to back up your data. I'm a retired computer service technician, I have seen it all.
@KSLTech4
@KSLTech4 5 лет назад
Interesting design on that machine; I liked how the CMOS battery was just a standard button cell, rather than a custom cell with a connector on it (Lenovo ThinkPads being one example of such heresy). I don't have much experience with Acer/Gateway machines, but I feel that the engineers really cared about the customer (or technician) having easy access to all the necessary components, which I can't really say for all manufacturers though, with HP being one of the worst. My trash-picked HP G60 (long gone now) didn't have access panels for the CPU heatsink, which required the user to take the machine almost completely apart and flip over the motherboard; it took over an hour for me to get to the heatsink in order for me to replace the thermal paste, as the China-quality junk was all dried up and caused the fan to spin annoyingly all the time. Even though that machine was from around 2009 (it had a Windows Vista sticker), HP didn't really change their act in later years, but actually made it worse. My dad's Pavilion 17 from 2014 is one such example where there are absolutely no access panels whatsoever, meaning that one must remove the the top case each time that they want to swap any major components, and the RAM and heatsink were also on the under side of the motherboard, meaning that you needed to the motherboard to get to those, too. Everyone wants to copy Apple, but never in a good way, am I right?
@jaykay18
@jaykay18 5 лет назад
Absolutely! One of the biggest complaints was on some of the older Dell laptops which required COMPLETE disassembly including removing the screen and the mainboard just to replace the hard drive. In actuality, it was quite well designed and I've done the complete disassembly, replacement, and reassembly in about 8 minutes. Sure it's longer than it needs to take, but 8 minutes isn't bad at all. Towards the end of my "tenure" of doing that stuff, I saw a general shift to those powerhouse notebooks, they were super-thin and light, had a blazingly fast processor, and no serviceability. They also ran screamingly hot and generally cooked themselves to death in short order. The rear drum brakes on the wife's car (2000 Camry) have threaded holes in the drum for easy removal--just thread a couple of bolts in the holes and alternately tighten them down, and it drives the drum right off now matter how stuck they may be. That was designed to be serviced!
@Sudoer95
@Sudoer95 2 года назад
This was my first laptop I had ever bought and I loved it, you can even upgrade the cpu on these to t8300 or even a t9300 or t9500 these things are tanks and just keep on running
@jaykay18
@jaykay18 2 года назад
Mine is still running to this day. I still use it when I travel. It's still stock except for the hard drive, which failed. I replaced it with an SSD, and it made an absolute world of difference.
@Keirnoth
@Keirnoth 3 года назад
Isn't it depressing how modern laptops aren't this easy to disassemble? I just received a M6750 that is laid out very similar to yours - the keyboard can be removed without any disassembly of the top or bottom cover. These are *consumer grade* laptops, yet things like the keyboard are so easy to replace. So easy to service - you can even replace things like the heat sink without having to take the entire thing apart! Thank you for this video - this laptop I received was giving me CMOS errors and I was having a doozy of a time finding a service manual for a 12 year old laptop.
@jaykay18
@jaykay18 3 года назад
I agree, modern laptops are ridiculous! They are TOO integrated. You're very welcome for the video.
@tallboyyyy
@tallboyyyy 5 лет назад
Just an FYI. The cheapest place I've found to get CR2032 batteries is at Dollar Tree. They sell a 2 pack in the Sunbeam brand for $1.00. They also have a few other common sized button cell batteries like a 4 pack of LR44/357 batteries for a buck. I needed some of those for a laser pointer for the cats :)
@jaykay18
@jaykay18 5 лет назад
Interestingly enough, I was at Dollar Tree a few weeks ago picking some of those up! Some old lady had pulled her car out of a spot and was then stuck in the aisle. Some other lady went to see if she could help and I went over too. She claims the car runs but it won't move. The other lady tried the car and had no trouble pulling it into a spot. She then called a family member to help her. I don't know if the old lady forgot how to drive or if there really was a problem with the car, but at least it was safely in a spot again. One of those 2032 batteries is for my dad's computer, which I need to do some work on. Possibly might video it. But that wouldn't be live for a while yet.
@Dantastic
@Dantastic 5 лет назад
Do you know if it's common for machines to use the primary battery to keep the clock running when they're not plugged in? It seems that this one doesn't, but I always thought that the button cells were sort of a last line of defense just like in TI calculators. They only come into play when there are no other sources of power.
@jaykay18
@jaykay18 5 лет назад
Some machines yes, some no. Most do that. The primary battery in this machine was dead when I got it, and continues to be to this day. The purple charging light comes on for a while, then goes off for a while. There's even a "battery reconditioning" option in the BIOS of this machine, and I ran it once, left it for several hours, and nothing ever happened.
@Dantastic
@Dantastic 5 лет назад
That makes sense. Yeah, it seems like after the five year mark, it's hard to find a genuine replacement for those things. Especially since Gateway has become what it is.
@jaykay18
@jaykay18 5 лет назад
I find it rather amazing the laptop itself has lasted this long. It was a derelict machine that was given to me, I resurrected it, and now of course it obeys its master.
@Dantastic
@Dantastic 5 лет назад
Yeah, I remember when you made a video on it in the past. It seems pretty well equipped; I was slightly jealous at the time.
@jaykay18
@jaykay18 5 лет назад
I couldn't believe the specs on it when it was given to me. It's too bad it's "aged" so far beyond its original use. It's getting a bit pokey here and there. Never complains, does its job, but the processor speed is a bit light for these times. Let's be realistic, it's well and truly outdated. But old computer might become outdated, but NEVER OBSOLETE!
@Sharkie626
@Sharkie626 5 лет назад
"Dude, you're gettin' a Dell.."
@jaykay18
@jaykay18 5 лет назад
Many many years ago, some guy I used to work with told me about an old computer he had that he wanted to give me. He said it was a relative's machine, and they gave it to him. The story went that when they needed a computer, they called him, and he recommended a Dell. They went through the whole deal (this is when you'd get them CTO or Configure-to-order by mail), and the relative decided it was too much money. So they went out and bought the machine in question, which happened to be a Compaq. When my coworker found out, he told them they got a computer from hell instead of a computer from Dell. I ended up scrapping that Compaq years ago. I think it was 200MHz, had maybe 128MB of RAM, and I had put Windows 98 on it. Interestingly enough, that computer proved instrumental in my figuring out an early high-speed Internet issue I had. It so seems that my main computer that was working fine, but lost Internet connectivity the next day. I called my provider, and they tested the modem at their end and said it was working and that the problem MUST BE with my computer. Besides the fact that with me that's pretty much impossible, they asked if I had another computer I could test it with. I had outfitted that Compaq with an Ethernet connection and at the time had a cable running across the floor to it. Also, at that time, it was forbidden to have a router, though they'd have no way of knowing if you did (the original TOS (or, as Cortana puts it, "the legal stuff") stated that it was for one computer at a time). Whether I had the router or not was inconsequential, the fact remained that the Compaq worked but the problem WAS with my computer. I had forgotten that the night before, I had run Windows Updates, and apparently one of them borked the Internet connectivity. Needless to say I got that sorted out in no time.
@calmbbaer
@calmbbaer 4 года назад
Sadly, not all Gateway laptops from that general era have the behind-the-keyboard flap, something I found out with my T-series. It looks like I'd have to take apart the whole thing - and use plenty of guesswork - to get at it. The laptop's manual just says "Some notebooks have a replaceable CMOS battery on the system board. There is a danger of explosion if the CMOS battery is replaced incorrectly. Replace the battery with the same or equivalent type recommended by the manufacturer." Nothing about where it's located. I guess they figured that it'll be trash in a decade anyway, but I still use mine occasionally, when there's something that can't be done on Windows 10 or OS X.
@jaykay18
@jaykay18 4 года назад
Yeah I was surprised to see a flap right there to replace the battery. That's back when these things were serviceable. Now they're disposable.
@nl.515
@nl.515 5 лет назад
Its pretty funny that I just recently figured out that my laptop was fucked for that reason right there. Common problem on this type of laptop.
@jaykay18
@jaykay18 5 лет назад
It's actually more of a common problem to that type of battery. _Back in my day, ssshhhonny boy,_ they either designed the systems with rechargeable batteries, or they were designed in such a way where the battery was disconnected from the system when it had power or standby power. This laptop wouldn't benefit from either since it's used only a couple of times a year.
@240Volts
@240Volts 5 лет назад
Nice. At least it has a fayyyyn, unlike most of the laptops now a days. I have one of those windows 10 sorry excuse for a laptop that was like 120 bucks. Nicer than using a smartphone or tablet. One of the desktops here is from 2006 and the other one I put in my own board in 2010, it seems lately it can't even handle windows 10 anymore, it gobbles up 40% of the memory. The XP one will be used to play games that were for windows 95/98 and the other will be used as a server.
@jaykay18
@jaykay18 5 лет назад
Generally, the rule of thumb was anything faster than a 486 needed an active cooling system (usually a faen on the heatsink). Earlier machines didn't even have heatsinks on their processors. Later on they broke all of the rules, as usual, and invented cockamamie cooling systems with heatpipes, half copper, half aluminum, thermal tape, and all kinds of other crazy stuff. Even my old netbook with a 9 inch screen has a faen for its Atom processor! Again, they broke all of the rules, especially nowadays with tabtops or lapblets or phablets or whatever false amalgamation of a word they want to make. Generally, if a processor doesn't have a faen, it's either Apple (Jobs didn't like noise, though some NEEDED faens), or the machine is underpowered.
@nerdywolfi
@nerdywolfi 5 лет назад
I still remember having to change out the CMOS battery on a crappy Asus laptop....had to take out the whole board to get to it (including taking off the screen which you usually need to do to get the top cover off). I hate those craptastic consumer laptops as they're horrible to work on - with business laptops you can usually swap everything in a couple of minutes instead of screwing around with it for hours to change out one stupid part...
@jaykay18
@jaykay18 5 лет назад
There were quite a number of HP Professional laptops I've worked on, often needing screens. Sometimes they just failed, other times they were cracked and needed to be replaced. They used Torx screws on those laptops, so immediately I had to break out my special driver set instead of my trusty old Phillips #0 screwdriver. That was turn-off number one. For the rest, the entire machine had to some apart so that you could then remove the screen. Once the screen assembly was removed, you could go ahead and open that all up, I think there were 8 screws under the bezel just to remove the panel. Plus you had to re-route all of the wires. It was a hot mess. Way more difficult than it needed to be. In contrast, many of the later ASUS machines I worked on had the top cover assembly as one whole piece, including the keyboard and touchpad. And of course they made the cables just _that much_ too short for you to be able to work on it comfortably. Didn't matter much, those top covers were usually pretty solid and the keyboard and touchpad almost never needed servicing. The mainboards on the other hand would go bad out of nowhere. Oftentimes the machine was out of warranty, and a new board cost more than the price of the machine. That was well worth the purchase. Computers today are junk!
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