Resident Evil 5 OWNS Remake 4! 

I both love and hate Resident Evil 5 and I can tell you why. I love Resident Evil 5 because it is one of the coolest co-op action games ever. I dislike it because it is supposed to be horror. I haven't finished watching the video yet - but the 2 flaws he has addressed so far aren't flaws in Survival Horror settings. Pausing in a weapon menu is a very deliberate thing in old Resident Evils and Silent Hills because it slows down the pace. The other flaw - the map-reading - is another feature of survival horror. You are supposed to feel lost and a big part of those games is to figure out where to go and the challenge is to rely less on the map. So the mini-map in RE5 is an improvement for an action-game, but for a horror game it defeats the purpose of convuluted and complex areas that you have to navigate around. I kinda feel the same when he calls the menu-reloading an improvement. Yeah, it's an improvement if you are addicted to pressing buttons and like getting that rush and you wanna feel cool for finding a way to circumvent a problem by being a speedster in a menu. But it's less of an improvement if you consider that the purpose of reloading is to leave you vulnerable for enemy attacks. In both RE4 and Remake 4 you can't reload in the menus at all - you have to do it in-game.

I absolutely fucking agree about the yellow paint in Remake 4 though. So fucking dumb.

Yes exactly Mega! I think the game is interesting combination of introducing some messy new mechanics, like the partner system, with some amazing new mechanics like the menu reload and all the real time elements, but over the years people have become more closed minded to the real time combat elements so it ends up getting looked over a lot, despite clearly being a fantastic game.

I think if this was a spinoff title, there would be no hate. But because it’s a numbered title people expect survival horror and they didn’t get that all I got was action for me is the same as Final Fantasy 16 decent game far from great, but it was a massive disappointment because it was a mainline entry.

Muh racism is the one I hear cited most. A shame, such a wonderful game.

Get new friends lol

I seen many they only play the OG and refuses to play the remake cause “they already play it”

normie friends

@@Indigo_1001 that makes sense. Why would you play the derivative if you already played the original. The opposite cannot be said

Oh yes I started to notice in the more high level replays that the players would delay stomps to draw out the combo time or to abuse the s during enemy attacks and stuff, it's a really cool move with a ton of different uses, which is a style of design that I love.

@@TheElectricUnderground Excella chaining Ouroborous explosions is truly glorious.

gaslighting for mommy and daddy corporation. People dont want to admit how much they're being exploited and humiliated.

Wow, I never thought of it like that but you're right!

Yes thank you very much francis! The whole goal of my channel is to create discussion around game design and mechanics and I think having some energy and hot takes makes it more fun and interesting than just having this more reserved academic tone that people gloss over.

​@TheElectricUnderground i think your videos are pretty good and you make some good points The one thing is that sometimes you repeat yourself a bit id recommend watching out for that

I can't agree because, as much as I love OG4, having to constantly pause the game, over and over and over, to switch weapons (which you need to do to play effectively) is so obnoxious ha. It literally slows down the pace of the gameplay tremendously. On your point about having to think when to reload, I can't speak about the older resi games, but in 5 this is still absolutely the case. Resi5 makes reloading (menu or otherwise) highly risky because the enemy AI is sooooo aggressive ha. So what you do in 5 is you get an action that involves s, like a melee attack, and use that opportunity to reload. VS OG4 where you get a kick, run away, and reload. Both of them use pretty much the same process, but in resi5 the game is much more clever by allowing the reload during the animation of the kick, rather than having to make the player do the built in kick animation, wait for it to end, and then do the built in reload animation ... that is a lot of waiting around if we're being honest. Whereas 5 you get to be more active and do the menu reload during the kick animation, which feeds back into the melee mechanic so you get this beautiful flow of shot, melee, reload, shot, melee, reload, that just is not possible with the manual reload system.

@@TheElectricUnderground I so agree with you. And also, even when you're "manually" reloading outside s, like you have enemies coming at you but you still prefer reloading through your inventory, despite the lack of animation, it really feels like you're actually reloading the weapon yourself, versus having the visual feedback but letting your character do it. You can even mess up and instead of reloading, switching places with two different items, and now it feels like you messed up the same way your character could have under pressure.

The thing is, there actually is reload cancel in the OG RE4. In order to do it, you have to initiate a reload before an enemy action, be it an attack that lands or a simple QTE dodge sequence. No matter what weapon you have equipped, this cancel is faster than the manual reload animation, unless of course you have fully maxed reload speed. It's just another cool feature that can allow you to turn a disadvantage into an advantage, such as when an enemy grabs you from behind and you can shake the analog real fast to shake the enemy off and have a % chance of performing a finisher in tandem. RE5 does have a very cool and unique reload cancel, but RE4's design is also very smart.@@KrieGor27

@@KrieGor27RE4R > RE4.

gross@@TipoIrritable

Oh yes I think these are valid critiques of the resi5 inventory system, if played in the same manner of the rest of the games in the series. This is something I ran into myself actually, where I was like ... ok there is way too much stuff dropping and not enough room to carry it, even with the ai partner. But actually, if you view the game as an action game, rather than a survival game (which I don't think it even tries to be at this point), having to prioritize what you pick up and what you don't is actually really cool. Like for example, health items and bullets. As you go along, you start to realize, oh so there is a contention in the inventory where I can either play aggressively, and not pickup health items in favor of weapons, or I can play carefully and pick up health instead of ammo/grenades. i think this tension is actually really cool because it introduces a risk reward of if you want to play more aggressive, you are gonna have less health resources. I think it's really cool personally and cuts down on scavenging, which is something I'm not of fan of. Funny enough resi4 OG also has this dynamic as well with the inventory size, but I don't think it's balanced as well because you can cheat it by filling your inventory with small health items like golden eggs. I think making the item slots more standard was a better move.

@@TheElectricUnderground Just watched 3 of ur vids, think ur a genius. So glad someone is using their mind and actually deconstructing these choices. 5 is my favorite game because i love action and co-op although as a single player experience 4 is a masterpiece. I love organizing the attache case in 4 BUT i think it has been purposely removed to streamline the game for co-op. You don't want to sit around and wait for ages while ur partner arranges their items. The limited spaces also incentivizes co-op play with ammo sharing, specializing in different guns etc, grabbing ammo specifically for you partners guns and having time in battle to pass it to them. Id argue the same can be said about the level design. I think the entire 1st third of resident evil 5 has some magnificent level design, kind of shocked you said it wasnt as good. All of Kikuju is interesting, different and fresh and is a pure roller coaster of excitement. Pretty sure you just get to the castle and then the zealots are the main enemy type in exactly the same way you get to the Marshlands and its the tribal majini. Also huge problems with resident evil 4 which you yourself have touched on with it being too easy. By the end of the game you have far too much ammo, guns and healing. You can pause time any time u want and heal, Leon is literally immortal. I also feel that the boss fights towards the end of 5 surpass 4. Wesker and jill, Saving Jill, Excella creature and the satellite laser, Trying to inject Wesker. Theres a very clear act 3 finale ramp up as the game reaches its climax. Also lets not forget the absolute glorious team up melee, special boss melee and Wesker counter and combo melee.

@@PsyGuy82RE4R > RE4 > RE5 for me

I definitely agree in the inventory part. I had to grab and drop things because the inventory was quickly filled with things; they give you so many options of weapons that you would have to get 4 and only a stack of bullets for each weapon if you decide that Sheva is the one who carries priests. (As I did in my play through) I really liked the decision they made in the Remake of 4 for the inventory, I thought it was methodical. Until now, I still prefer the remake of the 4 over the original and the 5. (I played the OG4 2 times, the 5 once and the RE4R once) I am much more attracted to the remake of the 4th than the original.

I agree about the tightness of gameplay in 4 and 5, but I also really like the micromanagement Tetris of your inventory in RE4. I (and some of my friends) found it immensely satisfying. RE5 nailed it with their menu for changing weapons, but lost that beautiful cache case. The Remake, if only on that front, seems to have found a somewhat happy middle ground for people like me.

Oh yes absolutely JPNEET! I'm so excited to review and talk about resi6 next, it is happening for sure. Yes the shift from the beat em' up style combat of 4 and 5 to the 3rd person shooter combat of 6 will be interesting to discuss, and 6 has so much crazy stuff going on it will be really fun to bite into. I can tell you now that 6 is already a step ahead of remake4 because it is an individual game, rather than a remake, and also because it's shooting and movement don't have gunsway and inertia, so it actually feels good ha. But there is a lot more to talk about in 6 than only that.

I think that it's a really interesting game to examine not just due to its mechanics that are sometimes at war with the game's setpieces and level design, but also how the game evolved over time. It has what I'd consider to be the most important set of patches in RE history, with the patches introducing adjustable FOV (!) and camera positioning with no impact to performance on base PS3/360, in addition to letting players bypass several QTEs. Later releases bumped the FPS up to a solid 60 and introduced the insane No Mercy mode for Mercs, which is absolute chaos, especially on the Mining the Depths map (constant chain explosions!). A solid framerate absolutely makes the game click much easier for people, compared to the mid-low 20s the base game hovered on at launch. I still have to say that mechanically, just like in a fighting game or a DMC-style hack and slash, once you see what other people are doing online in videos you really get a chance to see how you can do absolutely insane things in-game. vXArchonXv and Lex made some really good tutorial videos that helped a ton in explaining how many options you really have, and I know I definitely re-evaluated the game more favorably after I watched them. Funnily enough, a lot of contemporary reviewers at the time were uploading footage where they were playing the game as if it were RE4 all over again, constantly going through levels aiming, never initiating melee nor using the counter and movement mechanics. It's like playing Wanted: Dead and not knowing about guard canceling. Lately, some people have been calling the game the closest Resident Evil came to being full DMC, and to some degree I see it, especially given that you can literally air-juggle zombies as Leon with quickshotting his dual pistols. There's so much to discover with this game and it just really sucks that the game itself doesn't guide the player in at all, otherwise we may have had an action RE7 instead of all of these remakes.

The best of resident evil, it’s definitely RE4R. RE4R > RE4 > RE1 > RE5

I felt very confused at how most tools and mechanics worked, the game did not convey them well to me at all. I played the Sherry/Jake, Chris, and part of Leon/Helena campaign and felt like I was mostly accidentally getting through it rather than making things click together for myself by intuiting how the game works. I’m considering replaying it and finishing up the Leon and Ada campaign and giving 6 a second chance since I enjoy action games more now than at the time and I hear 6 is regarded a little bit by some similar-minded people.

Oh that is sooo cool! Yeah I noticed sheva had slightly different animations and I never realized it was the difference in the hand she uses! That s awesome. I say this as a right handed, but highly ambidextrous guy ha. My family is full of left handers.

Yeah, there was a massive expansion of melee in re5, with different attacks based on arm stun, head stun or attacking from behind

@@JPNEETozaki There was even combos where both Chris and Sheva would attack together, though they are hard to get and there aren't many enemies that have them. the final Wesker fight has the most obvious one that everyone likely knows about, but its actually not the only one.

@@JPNEETozaki Attacking from behind was already different in RE4. So was attacking a knee-capped enemy.

@@cuttrogue How was attacking from behind different in re4?

That's interesting ha! I noticed that in mercs mode where I am the biker chris I got more exploding heads than in the campaign where they just sort of shuddered when you hit them. But I think you misunderstand my critique a little, I don't mean that I just want the head to explode, I mean I wanted like and explosion of blood Ninja Gaiden style ha. There is a bit of a mismatch in force between the animations of the kicks versus the stomps because the kicks send people flying crazy far but the stomps, even with the head explosion, seems a tad tame. I'd love it if when you did the stomps their bodies exploded and their limbs went flying ha. Same with Jill's doa knee slam, it just needs some more impact I think.

Yeah I did notice that about the gold version, and on gold you have to unlock mercs vs on the HD ports it's unlocked right away. Still though, the PC version of the game runs amazingly well and a lot of people are gonna prefer PC over console just because PC is awesome and all ha. I get what you mean though! I think both versions are perfectly awesome and maybe someday we can get best of both worlds and have that reunion mode added into the gold version (probably not, but would be cool).

@@TheElectricUnderground I have RE5 on both console and PC, but end up playing the console version solely for Mercenaries United. Like you said, if RE5 Gold on PC added Mercenaries United it would be the definitive way to play RE5. Although I'm aware that its a really low priority for Capcom, and I'm just glad the game still gets online support. It's interesting you also mention how RE5 Mercenaries on console has all characters unlocked from the start. I never noticed that. There are quite a few minor differences between the versions, like different soundtracks and placement of the time bonuses around the maps. Regardless, either version is a great way to play. Keep up the good work, I appreciate your channel!

I would say it's a mixed bag, because you can use mods to play as different characters but you can't access classic mercenaries on consoles. The scoring system, theme and enemy/bonus layout was different, and they did nothing to account for the fact that most og characters are weaker. For instance, BSAA Jill was still viable especially in co-op since building up time was more important, but now she's supposed to not only keep a full combo but also try to wait for as long as possible before you kill the sub-bosses for maximum points. I kinda wish it was like the versus mode select where you can choose between scoring systems (and everything else) with all characters available

I like being able to access items and switching weapons in realtime. The problem I have with it is how much more limited it is. You can't carry as large of a variety of guns and grenade types with you and everything takes the same amount of space. That is why golden eggs used to be so valuable. They restored full health the way a large bass or spray canister, but took less slots. There used to be some strategy in deciding if a kill anything in one hit rocket launcher was worth the enormous amount of space it took up. Avoiding an enemies attack and using the long follow through and recovery of there missed swing to strategically reload a weapon used to be part of the natural rhythm of the game too. Just reloading with the menu defeats that purpose.

I think I agree with you in part David, it's definitely limited compared to 4. I guess it eases up a little bit once you get infinite ammo guns and slots usually reserved for ammo give way for other stuff.

Yep and this was a more recent finding on my own part actually. Because for a decade on I basically refused to play resi5 because it was a co op game and all that, but this past month I decided to drop my sort of vague prejudice for the game and really dig into it and I LOVED the game so much ha. I'm hoping my review will at least help highlight some of these cool aspects to other players.

triangle left up square down square is such a deep and complex sequence that adds so much depth to the gameplay and totally doesn't remove any semblance of tension from said gameplay even though you can do it while making yourself invincible basically at will definitely

@@Enragedlime It sounds you're assuming it's overpowered without trying it yourself. It's really not. You get a few seconds to manage your inventory during i-frames. Really great in mercenaries so you don't have to slow down the action. Also it is just objectively a more complex sequence of commands than just pressing a button to reload

it truly does! It's such an amazing capcom game that gets no love despite its many strengths.

Yes for sure prince! I think capcom had some cool ideas with the partner ai, and they can work at times, but at other times you can feel the ai freaking out where it's trying to run scripts or patterns in places where it just can't get them to work.

It almost felt like I'd written this comment for a second, I tend to bring up the same points including the scripted behavior override lol

@@unsavourylittlerunt Glad to hear i ain't alone on this.

Lol imagine trying to play RE5 on professional by yourself. Just find someone to play the game with and it'll be 1000 times better, pro diff is not worth the headache in partnering with the A.I. for it.

@@solidariusgaming2854 When you're one of those who replay the same game a million times, new game professional with the A.I. (meaning fresh save file) is actually not that bad of a challenge, I'm sure I learned a lot about the game from that playthrough alone

RE4R have better mechanics than both RE4 and RE5. Also, better narrative, better premise, better atmosphere (Not músic tho, the remake sucks at that) better boss designs, etc. Made your own opinion.

@@TipoIrritablethe atmosphere in 5 is great. I love re4r but it has a lot of issues

I'm sorry to hear you had a rough day at work my dude!!! I'm genuinely glad to hear though that my vids and reviews are a nice pick-me-up after a grind at the 9 to 5. I'm right there with you my dude.

How do you thank her?

Yup, so many people stick her with just the pistol or the scorpion and don't give her any other weapons and end up complaining about her. Giving her the bolt-action rifle along with a shotgun for close quarters turns her into an aimbot. Professional mode basically being a one-hit mode (melee-wise) was also a bit funky, especially considering how easy it is for Sheva to die in the Jill & Wesker fight.

​@MegaTroySmith press the partner button after she helps you by healing you or getting you out of a grab, after she does a critical headshot, or after you do a melee combo together.

Oh god I absolutely hated the whole turret chapter with the vehicles and El Gigante fight. Why did they think that would be more fun than fighting him on foot like in RE4? The only part in RE4 where the mechanics completely change is the Del Lago boss fight, but at least that fight was very short and its concept is more interesting than the turret section in RE5.

Cool I didnt know about the max bond idle animation. Sad that the game clearly didnt show that to the player, unless I am stupid and didnt see that.

100% agree. Spider-Man is dog water

Your not alone viewtiful lol, I didn't make this discover until working on the review and when I did, a light clicked on in my head and an army of violins played lol.

@TheElectricUnderground The review probably would've been quite a bit different than if you didn't figure that out in time!

Oh yes i completely agree! I love the setting for Resi5 a lot actually. I think it was a cool move of the game to set it somewhere completely different than 4, rather than rehashing the same setting and vibe again. Bold moves. i think that's one thing resi5 should be more credit for (in addition to a lot of cool aspects of its design) is how bold it is. Versus remake4 which is just rehashing other games with no original or interesting bone in its body. Which isn't that big of a deal normally, there are lots of games like that, but it is when it decides to use the IP of such an amazing game like resi4.

Absolutely. I think you nailed it there with that word, "boldness" is what's missing in game design now even literally right down to designs and logos.@@TheElectricUnderground

Oh yeah finding someone to play coop can be a bit challenging for sure, the games needs like a proper discord server or something ha. That would be cool. I'm also very much looking forward to resident evil 6 review! I've started on it a bit already and I can say that it is far more fascinating than remake4, that's for sure. And for me, I will always favor and ambitious but at times flawed game like 6, over a stale, safe, derivative game like remake4.

Words cannot describe how much I love that scene

Chad energy at max, and I love it. I m personally a huge fan of when resi gets crazy and goofy rather than the *serious* remakes

@@TheElectricUnderground My dude, what you fundamentally misunderstand about RE games is that RE5 in 2008 WAS pretty serious and with a very realistic authentic. But you are just blinded by nostalgia

I completly agree . I prefer Ninja Gaiden black more than sigma not only because it is tougher but it also has that pause menu to get out of the hectic situation for a moment to use a healing item or change the weapon . Getting non-stop-action is awesome but if it is too much and you cant keep the control over the situation , this would cause an whipe out effect and it gets really frustrating and even tedious after a while .

@@Snyperwolf91 Yeah, good point. Real-time mechanics are great and there is a time for the game to be oriented around them, but the pause menu kind of reminds you that you're playing a game and there is some degree of player manipulation that can serve you well. I do sort of think that a section like the Ashley sequence in 4 remake could definitely be scarier if having to find the right key on the key ring didn't pause time and was time-sensitive, but there are other sections in the game that make up for this. In terms of combat, a pause is good IMO. Idk I've always loved the inventory in OG 4 and to me it's just what it needs to be for that game, but other games can experiment in other ways. And another thing as far as pausing the inventory in 4 is, you have a bit of doubt as to whether you will have time to counter that chainsaw when you exit the menu to go for a stun shot. Sometimes you're in time, other times not, lol. That pause can create that added tension.

Awesome comment my dude! So there is no need to defend OG4 on this channel because this is like headquarters of love for that game. It's in my top 5 games of all time, easy. But as much as I love OG4 and I have played it god knows how many hours at this point, I do feel the strain of the inventory system. For example when I show footage of that game's combat, I often have to go in and literally cut out all the weapon swapping in the menu which is like 30% of the combat footage ha. Whereas in 5, the weapon swapping and reloading is baked right into the core combat gameplay. Like I said in my review, I think the inventory system of 4 is functional and well made with the idea of trying to preserve the older resi inventory system (which I don't care for to begin with), and I think OG4 did a great job with that task. But I think it's bolder, and more impressive, that 5 just went chad mode and said, ok forget the older inventory system completely, it's time for a real time inventory system that fits the combat better. That's a bold move and I love it. I do think your tip about reload canceling in 4 is REALLY COOL though! I'll have to give it a try!

It's all good, bro. I respect your breakdowns. Tbh, this vid has inspired me to try RE5 at some point. I never got around to playing the full game because the partner system was a big turn-off for me at the time when it released (but it was, at the time, one of my most anticipated games ever in the aftermath of RE4, and somehow I missed out on it lol). The way you described RE5 here makes it sound like a hidden gem so I'm going to give it a try when I'm able to.@@TheElectricUnderground

True I played the original 4 at least 40 times with the remake I never completed it twice.

based.

No it most certainly isn't.

I still play old games regularly so I was able to peep something was off about the remake

You had that camera problem because the game mechanics were slow.

@@TipoIrritable it wasn't slow by any means, but theirs curtain areas like saddlers fight where the camera was position weirdly. It's not that much of an issue, but it's there.

@@jackal2484 the camera isnt the problem, but the game want you to manage camera and positioning and thats part of strategy

Yes i'm excited to tackle Resident evil 6 as well!! It is such a meaty beast that hasn't been peeled back too much, I think it will make for a fascinating review. Games like resi5 and likely 6 are my favs to review because they have so much going on to talk about, with a mix of strengths and issues ha. That's my favorite type of release to talk about.

​@@TheElectricUndergroundI hope you do RE6 some justice (just like you did with 5) instead of falling into the herd mentality.

I couldn’t even finished lmao. I played all the re games (except RE0) and my favorite game is the remake of RE4.

@@AftermathRainHe didn’t did RE5 Some justice, RE5 were never bad. (Gameplay wise, in Lore, what they did to Wesker was BAD)

Oh yes the coop element of the game is so much fun. I'm thinking next time me and my brother get together we need to play some resi5 co op too ha.

His truth* Re4R > Re4

Yes the sheva fans we need to speak up because damn Capcom has erased our lady from existence, she should have been in 6 mercs mode at least

Sheva's melee is more satisfying to me on a subjective level, however I do find that Chris's size is more difficulty to operate around as an AI partner.

@@user-hr4bo1zj1qDefinitely. I don’t like the punch and then have to smash the head on the floor. I’m more of a kick type of guy

@@TipoIrritable agreed, Chris feels a bit too much like "Hulk Smash!" Whereas Sheva has a more finesse quality to her move set.

Yes there is a similar vibe! I need to review doom 2016 on the channel in the near future, as it is the rare example of a big western game that I actually really enjoyed ha.

Glad someone said it. It’s so poorly designed. It made me side eye the remake

I totally agree.. This remake culture has to stop. I hope neither 5 nor 6 will ever get remade but i don't think that's the case

How is this a bad thing when the remakes have surpassed the originals? Sure, re3 remake missed on some aspects, but overall capcom has been amazing with these remakes and giving us fans what we want. Im all for these remakes 👌👌

I m so happy to hear that my dude! I was the exact same way until digging into the combat mechanics more, especially the menu reloading! Trust me fire up mercs mode, start menu reloading, and you ll feel the game click together and it will be awesome ha

Oh what an awesome comment! I love reading thoughtful comments like this So on the concept of the quick menu reloading undermining the weapon reload speed stat in the resi games, to that I say good ha! I hate that stat so much and generally despise the rpg weapon upgrade systems of these games, (just balance the enemy hp with rank Capcom, you did that in final fight, remember) so getting around the dumb weapon reload speed stat in my book is an extra bonus ha.

@@TheElectricUnderground When I was young I despised the RPG systems of these games too but I now understand how vital they are in the replayability factor. Funny story, when I first played RE4 back when I was ten, I did not know what the word "Upgrade" meant, so I would always play RE4 up until the beginning of Salazar's Castle and get stuck there because the enemies were too tough for my weapons. It wasn't until I learned what upgrade meant that I finally started playing the game properly.

While I do think that is a valid point in regards to menu reloading vs the reload upgrade system I would agrue that this is an element of player choice and not only increases player engagement but also keeps the action going and makes reloading a skill based element vs being just a stat. (Run on sentence) For me personally I love menu reloading as it makes the melee system even more satisfying and rewarding than it already is and since it is optional I don't see it as a flaw.

Ha yes exactly lol. A few months ago I was dragging a trailer around for work and I had this mental image of playing resi4 and having to take those slow wide turns so Ashley wouldn't get lost.

same especially the tower mode

Yes, Returnal is easily the best roguelike game ever made

Oh that's awesome Zero! Welcome to the channel! Yes i need to review that bad boy, no doubt, especially because of the bullet hell elements. I couldn't review it forever because my pc was weak and I didn't have a ps5, but now I have a ps5 so the review should happen!

Yes I agree completely. Most reviewers were so focused on talking about politics and the AI co-op, that they completely missed the amazing mechanical design of the game. So now the game has this growing reputation as being disposable, while for me it is easily one of the best in the series. Also I am going to be covering the 3DS version soon!

Oh yes I forgot to mention the gang knifing! I did come across that in my campaign playthrough and it is so satisfying ha. You and sheva teaming up and knifing a zombie together, it is vaguely erotic too lol. On the headstomp point, l think I didn't fully explain this critique completely. I did notice that sometimes when i did the stomp the zombies heads will explode (I think there is an example of that in the footage), but what I was trying to say is that I wish the stomp animations were more visceral overall. Like not only with a nice popping head explosion, but like the zombies bodies exploded into a reign of blood and body parts. Because there is sort of a strange dissonance between when you get a stomp and it just is like a humanish level attack, vs when you get a melee kick/punch and you launch the enemies anime style. So I feel like the down attack animations all needed more force visually.

I think that's just the steam or modern console version

I think your are missing my overall evaluation of resi4's combat and how that connects to the reloading (which I probably could have explained more), but resi4 is not a shooter, not in my book, it's a beat em' up style action game. So the way it works in resi4 is that in order to access your amazing moves, like your kick and suplex, you need a gunshot to get the stun, and then once you get the stun you can start up your offense. However, because of the reloading mechanic, you have to basically run away and hide for no other reason than to reload from time to time. Does this break the combat, no, but it slows it down for no reason. Because there is no escaping this fate. No matter how well you play, you are going to be forced to give up your offense and reload at some point. NO matter what. 5, on the other hand, by allowing the menu reload during the animations of your stomps and kicks, bypasses this problem. So it's a beautiful evolution of the melee + beat em up mechanics that simply does not exist in 4. Is 4 bad, no I love that game so much. But you gotta admit that the menu reload is just a really clever and well made evolution of the weapon system of 4. Both games still have reloading strategy and meta, the menu reload isn't free it still takes time because you cannot pause the game to reload, even with the menu, but it allows the player to accomplish two actions at once, and that's super cool.

You get it Lakevus! I feel understood :-) Yes my reviews are actually a bunch of super nerdy game mechanics analysis, but I try to package the discussion with more energy and fun so it does take people by surprise lol. In terms of overall art design, it's going to be basically impossible to beat OG4. It just is ha. OG4 is just perfect aesthetically, in least in my eyes. It's got everything and does everything right basically lol. So what I really appreciate about 5 is that capcom, instead of being lame and just doing a lame and bad rehash of OG4's style *cough*, they took the game in a new and interesting direction, which i think is really cool in its own right. So for me, OG4 is just the king of visual style, but resi5 is awesome in its own right.

@@TheElectricUnderground interesting. Why do you think Re4 is the “king” of visual style? Especially compared to re5’s look? Which is much different than re4’s one I would associate with a painting than re5 which has more in common with a 2000’s era movie with its high bloom and high saturated colors. Christ re5 almost looks exactly like Blackhawk down the movie in its look and colors

I think its funny that people disliked 5 for being "a generic western 3rd person shooter", despite the fact that there is no game that plays quite like it out there. Meanwhile the RE4 remake is getting high praise for abandoning its original design philosophies for... a generic western 3rd person shooter gameplay. Like I could buy a ton of games that provide a similar gameplay experience as the remake, but the only game that plays like RE5 is RE5 (even 4 isn't quite the same, and 6 is its own unique thing, and all 3 are something that can't be found anywhere else as well).

Yes exactly! I had the exact same experience. Its like on the outside the game presents itself as a big Chad gears of war western shooter, but once you dig in you find it s a nerdy beat em up with a heart of gold 😊 🪙

​@@TheElectricUndergroundNot that Gears of War lacks hidden depths once you dig in either. 😋

That's awesome to hear you enjoyed the vid my dude :-) The good news is that on the newer versions of resi5 they have a feature that removes the qte! Best patch ever ha.

Oh yeah I m probably going to take a look at them after I finish resident evil 6 :-)

Oh yeah no doubt about it! I think playing the game co-op would be a fantastic top tier time. It's honestly a really cool idea. I didn't do a co op run for the review though just because I tend to focus on single player content for my reviews and I think it is possible for the game to have done the best of both worlds with some extra adjustments to the single player co op mechanics and AI.

Yeah it's been made pretty clear that the motivation to remake a game is never to improve the mechanical design of the game, oh no. If that were the case remakes wouldn't be seen as like this huge fan event, but rather as like a periodic update to a game, like how with tekken there would be tekken 5 and then tekken 5 DR. In many proper respects, tekken 5 DR (and other similiar fighting game updates) are actually remakes lol.

I know right capcom was always one of those companies who knew how to make money and make very good games.@@TheElectricUnderground

I have really grown to hate the RE engine. I saw the flaws with it all the way back on re7 and with each new game it isn't getting better

@@Chaso-1124what type of flaws?

@Seyanoo Within the first few minutes of re7 the outdoor visuals and car interior were the quality of a ps2 game The facial scanning just looks awful. Much worse than if they just made their own character models

@@Chaso-1124 Yeah about the RE7 intro, I think the reason for why that intro looks like shit is because it looks like they used some pre-rendered cgi video in the car windows and once you exit the car that's when the actual ingame graphics pop up. Really weird design choice to be honest.

Parasite Eve had such a magical ost. I think I replayed PE2 far more though.

Sometimes mechanics aren't everything. RE5 has good mechanics but bad level design (plus the co-op garbage), so it ends up being inferior to 4R imo. 5 gets saved by Mercs.

Some of the great designs in mercs 5 come from the story area design. I think the mercs design in 5 has the best levels in any RE. I at least agree that mercs is a big part of the game

@@gstaghter8013 I actually just replayed 5 again and I think the campaign suffers from horrible boss fights, and the final chapter or two is quite bad. There are some trash enemies like the lickers that are a joke. It otherwise ranges from decent to very fun, and the mercenaries really is the best. 4 remake is a much better campaign experience

@@onceyougozach2607 I agree re4r is a better campaign experience. Although you can’t play the campaign with a friend. I’m hoping they keep the coop mechanic because then re5r will be my most played RE game

One thing I will say, and I def see where you are coming from, is that resi5 has a lot of really worthwhile depths to it. But like you say, the game doesn't often put it's best foot forward at first. I'll give you a tangible example. When I first played the campaign and even mercs, I was like, dear god this game is messy. But as I have been studying the game and replaying it, you do genuinely discover that there is a method behind a lot of the madness and that the layers of this game are well-made. It's just that resi5 basically tosses you in without any explanation of what's going on. For example one of the first combat encounters in the campaign is a full on cabin section onslaught ha. But once you really get the hang of the mechanics and combat, the rest of the game really starts to flow. Versus remake4 where it's not going to do that to you. It's a modern game and modern games are very aware of not overwhelming the player or asking too much of the player. So that initial play through is going to be more comfortable. But with 5, the more you play, the better and more engaging the game becomes. Whereas with remake4, the more you play, the more you start to feel the limitations and stale design. So of course it's very fitting that resi5 is widely sort of dismissed and remake4 is widely praised. Most gamers and reviewers only care about that initial play throuigh and then just move on to the next game of the month basically ha.

Yes that is exactly my goal with this review, because I hadn't played it basically until working on the review, and once I started to dig into the mechanics I was like, WOW this game is mechanically incredible and no one talks about it in that way.

Oh yeah no need to defend OG4 from me ha, I'm that game's biggest fan. I do think the OG inventory works functionally, but it just cuts down on the pace too much. Like even in showing footage of og4 over the years, I'll literally cut out the menu weapon switching from the footage just because then half of the combat footage is looking at a menu ha. I think OG4 was still exploring and experimenting with the menu and weapons and found a functional solution, and then 5 analyzed the results and came up with a brilliant follow up idea. It is actually a fantastic example of iteration in game design. Vs remake game design where they just sort of used the OG menu, because it's a remake, and then tossed in this half-baked update of having an auto-sort feature. My overall critique of remake's design, which the menu example is a strong instance of, is this whole mentality of copying the surface elements of a game's design, without understanding their underlying causes and goals.

@@TheElectricUnderground that's understandable, I was still in the middle of watching the vid as I was typing it out but I knew from the get go a majority of this video was remake vs 5. Admittedly RE4 is pretty darn easy when you get to grips with the controls and meta of crowd control and what enemies to prioritize and making the most of your weapons and grenades/flash bangs. My experience with nu-resident evil has just been with 7, Remake 2 and Remake 3 and while I think 7 is just sorta its own thing, Remake 2 felt alright but over time it feels a lot less interesting in comparison to what they've put out before. Not bad per se, just not as amazing as everyone proclaims. RE3's remake got mildly less praise but I don't think it's all that bad either, but with how fast it came out it definitely gave me the idea that Capcom is gonna be pushing out remake after remake and not really to recapture the magic of the original but pervert them by emphasizing fan service with a skewed perspective of the originals. I doubt they'll remake 5 or 6 but interestingly while I think the gameplay aspects of those games did some interesting things I liked, the story aspects and other less desirable aspects of their game design would probably benefit from a remake if the right people were behind it, but I'm just sick of remakes in general. I heard someone say something about how people want the original Dead Rising to be remade and remembering how they handled the series after 2 I know that would just be miserable. It'd be cool to put way more zombies on screen I guess but the gameplay and design of that game is so special, a remake would never be able to recapture the magic and do that series justice.

Outside of a few issues, the gameplay is amazing! Its a great action game let down by middling to bad level design. The enemies aren't always the best but aren't the worst, with some fun ones in there, so that's why the Mercenaries mode is so good, since the level design is the one thing holding back the game and that's not an issue in Mercenaries. That said, there are fun sections of level design in the game, but the game has A LOT of levels so it can be tiring if you try to rush to beat the game rather than take your time (it has 4 campaigns, all of which are quite lengthy!). Also, some sections are shared between campaigns, with only slight differences, so you might end up playing them several times which sucks (but they aren't very common, there are like 2 sections in particular that overstay their welcome). It also relies too much on setpieces that obviously don't take advantage of the great gameplay. In fact, a lot of boss fights are basically dressed up turret sections unfortunately. That said, there is so much of the game that there is still plenty of time to enjoy the gameplay. As for the gameplay, my main gripes are the inventory being bad, like it works but its missing all the fun and strategy of 4 and 5 and is a scrolling menu so its clunky to use. And the basic movement is a bit weird to get used to, the characters basically run around as though its a 3d platformer but from an over the shoulder perspective (kinda like how RE4R works when running). This basically just means that the characters move fast and can move in any direction quickly, but it can be unwieldy feeling at first (but its not as bad as RE4Remake). The game also added a stamina system, and it kinda works and there is strategy to it, but I forget how it works exactly. It doesn't ruin the game, but there are times where it stops making sense and you'd prefer it not being there, and likewise sometimes you feel really good for maximizing using it properly. It's hit or miss for people. There is a few unique things that help to make it an expansive action game, like pressing the aim and shoot buttons simultaneously uses a pip of stamina to instantly shoot and stagger (but not the stagger that lets you melee, that'd be OP) the closest enemy without needing to aim. And if you hold the aim button it naturally transfers the animation to actually aiming at the enemy. There is even a context sensitive parry, except it only works if you aren't aiming and it's only for enemies that leap or grab at you, but if you are prepared you just press the button on screen (like how RE4 does melee) and prevent the attack from grabbing you. you also always have a button to melee attack on top of the context sensitive RE4 style ones (but the melee button attacks aren't as strong as the stun attack ones, of course, but they have utility). one character even is built around this with a unique weapon: His hands. He basically is a GodHand reference. I haven't played with him a much, so I don't know how good it is. You also have a dive that actually puts you into a prone position (a different one depending on whether you dived forward or backwards), and in that position you can still move and even roll around, and throughout the entire dive and landing you are able to aim and shoot, its crazy. There are tons of moves you can do and its nuts because its not necessary, but its cool and has its uses. Its a wild game that really doesn't play exactly like RE4/5, but also no other game is like it either. Its a surprisingly great game, but its held back by a lot, which is why people didn't like it at first, but if you really get into the gameplay, it has a lot to offer. Its unfortunate that it ended up being an RE game since that made sure that it was going to fail, and its gameplay left to die before its time. Its not exactly an easy recommend, if you really like RE5 despite being so different from previous RE games and didn't mind the lacking horror (though 6 did try a little bit to bring it back, poorly), then I think you will enjoy it well enough. It may even end up being one of your favorite games, or just a lacking sequel to 5 with some good ideas.

I just learned about this last night funny enough ha. I'm working on some high scoring sheva runs in mercs and was like, ok how does sheva deal with these suckers ha. Yeah the more I learn about 5, the more i discover how many cool aces it has up its sleeve, but I think it could also do a better job communicating some of this stuff to newer players ha. So I am willing to amend that critique somewhat but with the addition that it should be a bit more clear about these deeper mechanics for newer players. I have been playing the game hardcore for weeks now and only picked up on this last night while trying to hit like massive mercs scores.

Lol!!! Once you see it you can never unsee the terror, but you also cannot look away 😂

Agreed wolf, they turned resident evil 4 from a beautiful arcade beat em up style game into this lame "immersive" rip off the last of us ha.

@@TheElectricUnderground Nowadays it is extremely rare people discuss mechanics, game design, invincibility frames, hitboxes, etc. In the hype industry, character facial expressions and drama are far more important than everything else that makes a game fun and timeless.

Yeah apparently the AI will do this ha. In all my gameplay i didn't witness the ai breaking creates, but apparently they will at times. Overall though i do wish the game had a system of more distinctly controlling the AI so that you weren't always having to baby sit them . Like at first I got super excited when I saw the two sub commands and thought, oh ok here we go, now the ai will just follow me around Ashley style, but no ha. The ai seems to have a mind of its own constantly and so I had to call them back to me about every ten seconds ha.

Thank you my dude!!! Yes that is absolutely what I'm all about (non ironically) discussing niche game design mechanics and concepts, but in a manner that's more interesting and provoking than just sounding like an academic. I think it's absurd that the loudest voices in game reviews and discussions are the ones talking about story and stuff like that. Mechanics need to be taken a lot more seriously.

Yes this is why I am so proud of my review of remake4. Because for a lot of people viewing that review, it is an introduction and defense of the beat em' up style combat of resident evil 4 that a lot of players were not aware of, at least in terms of what exactly the game was doing and why they liked it so much ha. With resi5, it is a similar case, but because the combat moved into a more technical style with menu reloads, extra melee moves, and a real time menu, it's an ever more complex game to explain mechanically ha. So the poor game hasn't really been done justice in reviews because in order to understand what 5 does so well, the reviewer needs to understand 4 too. And the sad irony is that this review will be a fun time to talk about the combat of 5, but likely the time when this discussion will be seen as relevant is when remake5 comes out lol. though it would be kind of funny if remake5 ends up being a better game than remake4, that would be interesting.

Nah. You’re definitely trippin. RE4 Remake is the best Remake ever made, and it’s better than the original. RE4R > Re4 > RE5 > Re6 A destroyed castle being colourful it’s an horrible choice, glad the followed the wester design.

RE4R plays like a watered down version of RE6. 6 is better than 4R in almost every way

​​@@ResidentReveler Even though it's definitely subjective, I also agree. RE6 has masterful combat mechanics. It's the most fun game in the series in my opinion. The story isn't anywhere nearly as awful as people make out to be either. It's not the greatest story in series, but it's still in the B movie territory that all RE games are. A lot of people hate 6 because they picked it up but unfortunately couldn't pick up the combat. I see this all the time on twitch. People playing the game for the first time, and then giving up after a few hours because they try to play it like all other RE games. And it's way more fun that RE4R. RE4R looks pretty, but the dull unfun deadly serious story. The scuffed gameplay and complete misunderstanding of what made the original Great. It's an okay game, But I wouldn't want to play through it again and again.

@@jamess854Ok, so let me explain why re6 is a terrible game. Imagine this: you read a book, where the beginning has a really good start and get hooked in, and it seems to be all fun in games. But you realize that the first boom is stretched out WAY to much, and that ONE book only solves 10% of the plot, and makes 3 other bad books with stretched out stories, and once when the 4th book ends, the plot of ONE small book is done. In lame man’s terms: each campaign of the game is around 15-30 hours long, which is the average completion time of most re games, and you have to play FOUR of them, and each one only solves like 15% of the plot. It’s too drawn out, too boring, nothing like resident evil, and most of all, crafted without care.

@@collectiveranking Okay let me explain why I find it very difficult to understand what you're saying: Spelling and grammatical errors all over the shop. Incorrect information on the length of each campaign. Completely skipped over the game's incredible combat system. Making the mistake of thinking the most important thing in a RE game is the plot. Do people really play RE for the story? It's been nonsensical since 1996. And I love it.

Visual clarity is very important. These remakes of 2, 3, and 4 are extremely lacking when it comes to visual clarity

@@Chaso-1124 Indeed. RE Engine games look like a greyed out mush. Look at Chris's RE5 skin from REverse and compare it with his actual RE5 character model.. Reverse doesn't look like it released 13 years after RE5.

@@ResidentRevelerWhat in the actual fuck is clarity, and want you to GIVE an example of this in RE engine games. I swear, you people like to huge nitpicks on the simplest details, and like to act like professionals in gaming making and game designing, and making games “look good”, when you are a person with no experience making a game, and can’t even spawn a block on unity or unreal engine😂. As some one who is a game developer and designer(also I am a student, not professional, so take what a say with a grain of salt) I can tell you that people like you ARE dead wrong about games. I know I’m not a professional either, but damn.

Absolutely! And it has some genuine depth, especially with the new melee mechanics

Absolutely! Resi4 on roids is a great description ha!

I love being told where to go, trust me, I m the king of wanting the dev to tell me exactly where to go all the time. But how it s done in remake is just the dumbest idea ever, especially when the question has been solved with ng2's ninja sense or resi5's real time mini map. There is no need to literally paint yellow lines Capcom, it makes the game look absurd ha

And the laser sight is poorly designed. It's not a properly synced projection like in RE4,5, 6. It's just a floating texture that bends towards the center crosshair.

That s awesome to hear tournaline! Armed with the knowledge of menu reloading your gonna have a lot of fun