Response to Potholer54 Debunking Ancient Apocalypse Gobekli Tepe Graham Hancock Clovis First 

Potholer always sends his best arguers. They are lose with their tongues but they seldom loose a debate.😂

*loser

Is being a "looser" is the opposite of a tight arse?

@@rhwoodwork119 I think he means that Dan is being loose with the facts, and he's not wrong

This man never promotes the theory of a lost civilization, and in fact states often that he doesn't believe that one existed. He simply attempts to point out dishonesty and/or inaccuracies from either side of various topics.

Lol Come back to this after you get a degree.

why?

yups, its seem strange when geological events and myths, old tales, traditions etc, seem to tie in, is accepted or rejected depending on if it, in turn, ties in with current mainstream ideas.

@@rhwoodwork119 Well because science has already entertained the idea that the similarities between cultures must mean that they all came from a single super culture. It is a neat idea but it simply falls apart on deeper inspection. It also is kinda bad science to begin with, you have to impose the idea on existing evidence, there is no direct evidence for it.

ugh there is no evidence for advanced tech it's a damn scam proposed by grifters like Unchartedx and Christopher Dunn

Oh man that's fair, I wish I had fathomed that before I made this video! Egg on my face. 😂

potholer needs peoples justice

😂😂😂

Customary 30 yers to make a change. Shit main stream academia in our public schools hvae been lying to us for 100 years. And the Catholic Church`hoeaded and didn't share knowledge 1,000 years before that. Remember, the Pope saying: "There is no science. Only Witchcraft. Now go get the firepit started, we got a dozen witches to burn at the stake tonight." lol.. Let me give you an example: Atlantis. It's been found, and everybody from NASA has known since the 1960's. You can see it from space, and they kept it from us. To try and "fool" us, they now call it "The Eye of the Sahara", in Northwest Africa. No, it's Atlantis! Nice to know Plato was making shit up, but was really passing along the knowledge he acquired by writing it down. 10,000 years ago the Sahara was not a desert, but a lush tropical paradise with grass, trees, and rivers and lakes! And Atlantis fell with the Great Flood of Noah, which is also about 10,000 years ago. We know this to be true. Check out "Bright Insight" RU-vid channel for the update on Atlantis. Now let me explain how this works. You are down to just 6 people in the world. And the waters of the world raised to 12,000 feet high. All throughout the world mountains 12,000 feet and below you find fossils of fish, shrimp, clams etc. on the tops of the mountains. So you got 6 people, who were described as "Caucasian" referring to where they were from, and their physical appearance. In other words Honkey. lol Noah had red jair blue eyes, and fair skin. Wis wife had blond hair, blue eyes, and fair skin. The ark came to rest on Mt. Ararat which is in the Caucus Mountains. So what we are taught is early man, the "Hunter Gatherers" were too stupid to farm or tie their shoes. So they went around barefoot stubbing their toes. Then came along "Cro Magna Man" who did farm and build cities and temples. Guess what, they are the same people. Remember, we were down to 6 human being, we all are descendents of Noah and his wife. BUT, what happened is Noah's offspring set out from the Caucua Mountains (headed south into Turkey and built Gobleki Tepe in Turkey, dated to 10,000 BC. Think it's the "first" organized civilization., but there is a problem Big problem. It takes many many years for the earth to dry out. Everything is a swamp and soggy for probably 100 years after the flood. So you could not farm and raise crops till the soil dried out. Till then, to survive, you had to become a "Hunter Gatherer". You didn't get a choice.There is Only 1 race - the human race, and only 1 species of mankind. Look, Hancock is a reporter, and after being lucky enough to visit Egypt a few times, and other places, what we have been taught just doesn't add up. The bottom line, the archaeologists were making shit up to keep their jobs. There are distinct tube drill marks in the air shafts of the King's chamber of the Great Pyramid. That means electricity, and electric motors. You cannot operate a "hand" tubedrill and cut granite, Impossible. Check out "History for Granite" for that video. The pyramids didn't "make" electricity. "Electricity" was used to create the great pyramid! What we think of as "new" discoveries today, are simply discoveries of forgotten knowldge that didn't get passed on. Want something cool that will "blow your mind"? Check out "Kinesin Proteins". Every living cell plant or animal have them. (Yes I know this blow the Theory of zEvolution out the window where it belongs. Darwin was a "Botanist". He studied plants, not animals. And the Human Genome Project proved the very first human being got their start in the Caucua Mountains, not Africa. The Human Genome Project ended up proving Noah existed, and the flood did happen. Science went looking for the first man and woman in the world and their location. And found Noah and his wife. That was not the scientists were hoping for naturally. I don't understand the appeal of being related to apes. EZven if your brother in law looks and acts like one. LOL! Take care! (Robert Sepehr - Debinking the "Out of Africa Theory" for mankind") Yeah turns out alot of the shit in the bible is actually true.

Lol

thunderf00t is a great comparison. The arrogance and refusal to admit wrongdoing makes what would be a great channel feel kinda smutty.

potholer is vile, this says bad things about you

Thanks, I just don't want to be too mean.

​@@DeDunkingHe's making the same errors he calls others out for, and intentionally pokes fun at comments that call him a jerk, not by refuting the claim, but by saying it doesn't matter. I think you're morally in the clear here. 😂

Off topic from your channel, but something you may be interested in... (if youre looking for something interesting and more unknown outside of my area of the globe), it's the 40th anniversary of "the gimli glider" where I'm from here in Manitoba (about an hour north of Winnipeg Canada) this Sunday... There's a great great episode of the show "MayDay" you can find here on RU-vid very easily (titled "the gimli glider") that does a really good job detailing what a god damn hero captain Bob Pearson is... It's a shame he doesn't get recognized today in a very similar way to Sully...

Hope you weekend is going well too, thanks for watching as always! If I get a chance I'll check it out, I'm always behind on watching things anymore haha, still haven't finished that Cave of Bones thing on Netflix, and it's awesome. Just busy anymore, this youtube hobby is a time eater.

​@@DeDunkingI can just only imagine how much time and effort you put into this topic in particular, so I figured I'd give Bob Pearson and his crew the plug they all deserve SOMEWHERE some intelligent and interesting people congregate, while the "event" was on my mind... Figured it could also be helpful for you and anyone else who maybe needs a distraction, and a different "feel good" story I wish more knew about... Especially to cleanse the pallet from potholer lol. I swear some people make an entire career of that fricken amazing accent alone...😆

@@BoboMcBooboy Thanks, I appreciate it :) I go enjoy other things, like military history, so it is in my wheelhouse. Yeah he's a fun one. No one else makes videos like he does that's for sure lol

Thanks, my views don't grow immediately as much now, but they tend to slowly grow for longer than they used too... I hope to get huge quick too haha, but I'm playing the long game, and we will just see how it plays out... And yes, I have some other people to go after as well ;)

So called "scientific peer review" is to ensure the accepted narrative is upheld and ensure no blasphemy has occurred. Took 30 years for clovis not first to pass peer review. So that process is clearly flawed.

It is by all definitions lowlier than anything material

Thanks I appreciate it :)

100% ready for it

Potholer 2; Dan 0

Thanks so much, I appreciate these kinds of comments more than you would think.

@@DeDunking Warms my heart to hear these words as well man! :)

Same here. Same time in high school and still learned the same.

lol, which video did you watch? All I saw is a college dropout electrician talking out of his arse

@@matthewsmolinsky5605 You seem like a decent person to know. Lol. Came to the comment section with an ad hominem and no substance.

@@matthewsmolinsky5605 oh you're a lurker! I just noticed your obsessive activity on this video's comment section. That explains a lot.

@@salohcinuno1192 cry about it, lol

@@salohcinuno1192 the OP was a substance-free ad hom, lol. But if you want to debate me on the subject, let's do it.

As a non-academic who hates having to beg for papers from their authors or academic friends with access, I approve this message.

Okay 😂 how do you want to "decentralise" funding? And where do we even have centralised funding? And we should just abolish peer review? What for? As Graham Hancock shows, you can publish your stories anyway. Having a place where texts get read through before being published, makes research a lot easier though. Over that it gives you a place for discussion...like Sweatman's hypothesis has been discussed (for good reasons)

@@postholer As gatekeepers I took him to mean that they don't let us access the things. Peer review should stand.

@@DeDunking I don't want to accuse him of anything wrong but judging by the other claims made in his comment and based on experience with the same points I would bet we have a "science is a religion" dude here. While I share your point (hope I got it right) that science shouldn't become like a religion. I want to add that - despite what I saw from Mr. Hancock so far - archaeology isn't all about monolithic sites and pyramids. If you want a quick guide through roman iconography or the old pottery in a fort, that's our field as well. Tbh the last time I heard about Clovis First at all was in my first semester... because it doesn't matter much if you study Roman archaeology. The prehistorians can battle Mr. Hancock all they want about a lost civilization if they want to, I will certainly follow up on it but I don't really care much (until the trilithon of Baalbek gets pulled into the discourse...). It doesn't matter what "mainstream archaeology" wrongly defended, because "mainstream archaeology" technically only exists when it comes to representing the contemporary results towards students at a public school for example. The professors of one and the same university usually don't agree on many things in their specialised field of research. Claiming that archaeology failed because of Clovis first is like claiming that all electricians failed, because the microwave in the kitchen only works when I switch on the light in the living room, after some electricians worked on the house (just an example). If you want to access peer reviewed journals, go to a library. That's what archaeology students have to do too if they don't want to ask for a paper. I was heavily injured and couldn't go to our books for one semester. Out of all the literature I needed for one single presentation, I found exactly one book digitalised...was very frustrating.

@@postholer I never said science is a religion. Potholer glosses over the wider problems in science, whether it be politicalization of science or the replication problem.

@@matthewsmolinsky5605 he’s been going by that name since 2016 when he credits her for research provided for magicians of the gods

@@Manbearpig4456 I just doubt she wrote this, but maybe she did. Let's have her discuss it with Milo - the person she's attacked. Let's hear her defend her own credibility.

@@matthewsmolinsky5605 what did you delete your post for where you proclaim she doesn’t exist but all of a sudden you want her to discuss it with Milo. So do you want her to discuss it or does she not exist. Have you made up your mind yet?

@@Manbearpig4456 the person might exist, I tried to post you her actual facebook page but it was deleted. But did she write that stuff? Nope.

@@matthewsmolinsky5605 the conspiracy theorist moves the goal posts. You’ve spend the last 2 weeks posting in most of dans videos saying holly doesn’t exist now your buckling and moving the goal posts to she didn’t write the article. 😂😂😂 the deluded conspiracy theorist can’t make up his mind. I see you are just gonna ignore how you have been deleting your posts where you accuse holly of not being real. Why the sudden change of heart that she is now real but didnt write it, why have you buckled and stopped accusing her of being a fake person?

That's an interesting point, but it doesn't exactly track as evidence. It's a good inference, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it evidence. Basically it relies on the assumption archeologists are fundamentally right, just sometimes we have outliers. The data, that's usually accurate. The interpretations, those are... open to interpretation. *rimshot Yes, I'm a crappy comedian.

@@DeDunking It's not direct evidence yeah. But neither is the story of dogmatic acceptance of Clovus first evidence that Graham Hancock's theories may be being dogmatically rejected by archaeologists who treat science like a religion. I'm just saying that the Clovus example is very dissimilar from Hancock's theories. The pre-Clovus theories were required to meet a higher burden of proof by older archaeologists who did not want it to be true, but at the end of the day, it was able to meet that burden because it's true and there is evidence for it. Graham has never proposed even a hypothesis with enough evidence that warrants more serious investigation of his theory. The fact that young archaeologists who are hungry to be contrarians don't believe in anything he says suggests that his theories are weak. It's not like you see a lot of physics students who think the Earth is flat.

@@cowyeti21 I understand what you're saying, I think a lot of this comes down to them not accepting myth and archaeoastronomy as evidence. If they did, I think the skeleton of Hancock's lost civ (minus all the goofy stuff like psychic DMT powers) would be accepted by some archeologists. The Clovis thing isn't so much about the degree of evidence compared to Hancock as it is the rejection of evidence by the establishment. Sure, the shovel pushing, wheelbarrow toting gophers on digs thought Clovis First was outdated, but the tenured academics that wrote textbooks did not think that. The point is, and in some ways, like the measuring of the Great Pyramid for instance, academia ignores mysteries that would support Hancock's position.

@@DeDunking Can you blame them for preferring harder forms of evidence like tools, burial sites and genetic traces? When you have to use the extremely interpretive and assumption based fields of mythology and archaeoastronomy to have any evidence of your advanced civilization, you can't then in the same breath wonder why mainstream archaeology isn't taking your theories seriously. Find a 12k+ year old ornately crafted copper axe and then maybe they'll believe you. Right now we only have crude flint and stone tools from that time. Yeah but Clovus has to be comparable for it to be at all relevant in discussion of Hancock. For example, flat earthers are laughed at by physicists, so could they point to Clovus first as an example of how mainstream science often laughs at alternate theories, and how it's mainstream physicists that are suppressing the truth about flat earth? No. Flat earth does not have a shred of evidence compared to pre-Clovus theories. Neither does Hancock.

Graham Hancock is unpopular with about all archaeologists. I don’t think you can draw any inference based on different generational archaeologists to make any statement in an attempt to prove a point, at least not with any validity.

Thanks, I'll keep em coming if you all keep watching :)

well what evidence do you have about Hancock being right

Hancock is wrong about most things. I used to be a fan. Had books, watched the videos. Most of it is junk and he knows it and takes advantage of people's interest. He knows he is wrong. He knows. It's all about money and being someone.

Thats a bit of a mischaracterization. He graduated with a degree in sociology. And hes seemingly always willing to debate - probly had more opposition doing what he does than had he pursued academia.

But that BBC reject Potholer did hey? Your double standards are showing again.

@@jr1648 graduating is not "entering academia." Entering academia means getting a job in academia.

@@memine3704 did what? You make no sense.

@@matthewsmolinsky5605 Your brown nosing does. Pfft.

Well you're just a breath of sunshine, aren't you? It's called 'framing', Skippy. Try it in some of your videos, perhaps you'll get 3 views on one them then. Also, when (if) you actually get some engagement you'll learn the YT comment system auto filters all kinds of things, and deletes them automatically. See Dr Miano's from World of Antiquity's disclaimer in his descriptions. It's a commonly known issue. And I will block complete trolls, but I don't think that's happened on this video. Yet.

@@DeDunking You avoided the point about crying because of atheists. You lied about my views. You did not point to anything incorrect in what I said, so you seem to agree (But are butt hurt). I see that you are going to be dishonest from the start. Will answer your other stuff later, Mr. dodgy liar.

​@@DeDunking You avoid the point about crying because of atheists. You lie about my views, and it's not relevant here. Many comments are still missing, even if you claim it's not your fault. You are a dodgy liar. That is a fact.

@@DeDunking ​ @DeDunking You avoid the point about crying because of atheists. You lie about my views, and it's not relevant here. Many comments are still missing, even if you claim it's not your fault. You dodge and lie, it's a fact.

@@TheseNuts2 Comments are missing because of the YT system. Sorry you aren't aware of this, but it's true. You didn't make a point, you complained about me 'crying about atheists' yet I am an atheist. I was talking about a dynamic that is... Nevermind. Go away. You're not worth explaining things too, you deliberately misinterpret them. And call me a liar... You're done if you call me a liar again.

25:34 he implies Hancock is responsible for it, and I say that exactly, I use the word "implies". Potholer never says the date, and he implies this is all Hancock's fault. This isn't a response to Daniel Natidwajaja, it's a response to Hancock. Your golden child is a dishonest person. Cope.

I've been an atheist for almost 20 years, it certainly encompasses a certain set of values. Your position is a purely philosophical one, with not a toe dipped into the waters of reality. I specific theories do to become laws, Skippy. Right where you time stamped. You having a hard time admitting your god-king PH the BS artist is a BS artist? Cope.

@@DeDunking Atheism is just an answer to a god claim. If you think otherwise, you are just ignorant and can't understand words. Atheist=not theist, that is all, period. "I specific theories do to become laws, " The rest of what you wrote is not fully coherent and not relevant to my arguments. You are bad communicating and it is showing.

@@TheseNuts2 I made a typo. "I specify theories do NOT become laws"... in that clip. And again, you're just operating from definitions, not reality. Nazi just means Nationalist and Socialist. The racism stuff? Oh that requires you to look outside a dictionary.

@@DeDunking All you do is distractions instead of just saying "ok" None of what I said is wrong. Now I have to go because you are dishonest and not worth my time. Good luck tho.

@@TheseNuts2 It is wrong, you are claiming a win when you haven't even made a proper argument. Run along. Don't come back until you grow up.

Are you having a hard time understanding these words? Seriously, cause you completely missed this. | And you like your own comments lololololol It was accepted by many, and the evidence was conclusive, but it was debated anyway for 30 years. At least one man's career was damaged by it. Do some basic research BEFORE commenting, it'll keep you from looking... Like a buffoon who likes his own comments.

@@DeDunking You used a video and misrepresented it. If you say 30+ and your support is a video saying 20, that is your problem. The subject is disputed, you may be right. You still said 30+ while using a video saying 20. Stop rejecting reality.

@@TheseNuts2 I also included links, Skippy. The video isn't my only source. You're hilarious. Like your own comments some more, like you watch your own vids so you get views lol

@@DeDunking You presented it as support and can't expect people to look at the links. You still presented it as support so you concede that it wasn't supporting. My likes and comments are not relevant. You are like a baby distracted by keys.

@@TheseNuts2 "You can't expect people to look at links". I do, I don't expect my viewers to be lazy & short sighted. You won't like it here. Nuance and your ilk never mingle. Too much thinking outside your tiny little worldview.