Making videos about alternate history from the perspective of a skeptic. Debunking erroneous claims against alternate history. No aliens, no sonic pyramid power plants, no global communication crap, NO WOO. Instead I use science, logic, and speculation based on the evidence at hand.
@DeDunking have you looked at the hypothesis the pyramids were chemical plants? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BTRZJO_Fz_Q.html Very interesting.
The snark and condensation comes across as arrogance and that closes minds, some archeology types sound like they know it all and are full of self righteous pride. That tone turns people away.
Love this video! People are so eager to try to identify and prove the stories of the Bible - which I will say Albert Lin is doing some amazing work with Nat Geo! But people balk at the idea that stories from others might be rooted in fact as well.
The handles are probably off symmetrically due to the fact that they were left for last to fine tune for perfect balance. Just guessing since they seem to have cared much more about balancing them perfectly than anything else
@@codyeasterday1596 The flatter one really looked like it was standing still, except for the handles moving, but the handles are also symmetrical in this one iirc.
I have come up with a simple solution which bypasses the need for provenance, and can prove/disprove the lost advanced civilization at the same time. Here's my idea: Luminescence dating. Luminescence dating on the fragments of hard stone vessels found under Saqqara. If these vessels are indeed inherented, this Luminescence dating would be the concrete evidence which would prove that. And simultaneously give a solid date range. Hope you see this message Dan. And have a good day!
@@DeDunking You seen Flint has been a busy bunny lately? Lots of shows and a new anti-something-er-other partner alliance with Miniminuteman. As for Night Scarab, he or she (pretty sure it's a synthesized voice) has done some good stuff but a recurrent theme I see in general is being pretty black and white literal interpretation based a lot of the time.
As to the gentlemen claims about the weight of things and their precision. There are certainly cut stones from the ancient world whose method of moving defy modern explanation. Just as there are precision objects, such as those vases whose precision appears to exceed the abilities even of modern tools. I wonder what this guy has to say about the laser scans on those precision vases going down to 10000ths of an inch
Around 530 the guy is saying that a lot of these people suggest that the ancient civilization was widespread, Dan debates that. With the guy is doing is called strawman.
What I find interesting is the people that think we are taking away from the accomplishments of past humans by suggesting aliens (im not suggesting that it was aliens) are more than willing to take away from the accomplishments of past humans when it comes to the level of their tools.
That angle is just a social tool, nothing more. If you agree with that idea, then ask "so did the N*zis get tech from aliens?", you will see how quickly getting tech from aliens is also enabling r*c*sm. It's just a means to silence those ideas, nothing more.
@@DeDunking I think I was in middle school when I realized most adults are just glorified parrots, preening their feathers while having no idea what they're actually saying. I think I accidentally hit the thumbs down button oops! I corrected it. 😝
A good wind-up I like to use on people is "I don't believe that Aliens made the pyramids but I believe it's considerably more likely Aliens built the pyramids than the dynastic Egyptians". Apparent logical conclusion = I think it was aliens. Really don't think it was aliens.
A four axis hand lathe videos are on YT right now for softer stone vases…all by a dude with an abrasive stick in the Middle East, they also make giant metal gears by sand casting in the GROUND! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kXoIrwlnnSg.htmlsi=7VqHxwIEh2W4GTPs -I spent 5 years turning a hand made Lapidary system for a Hawaiian Jewelry Co. to a CNC system. The Lapidary was for Organic shells/corals/wood/stones. The “hardness” of the material doesn’t matter; it is the SPEED and FEED rates that you have know. Most of this is known for standard stock materials…none for ORGANICs, they aren’t consistent in integrity which causes heat/bit issues and vibration; especially using bits under 3mm/.125in -lug handles look offset be a the vessels were hanging and that makes them easy to tip and pour. -also could be offset as the “balancing” mechanism after initial large rough cut. The “lugs” would marked and the excess of the ring removed with pneumatic/ultrasonic tool tip. -as for providence…has anyone looked in the Ancient Egyptian medical texts or just vases in wall art? They were probably used by certain individuals for a specific purpose due to the difficulties in making…(ie.expensive) Maybe that helps…have a great week guys, thanks for the thoughts.
Ok, but wait one minute! if we want to see how they were made why would we not go to someone that makes them today? you can get a nice shiny granite vase for a grave for $250. why is no one going to the manufacture location and checking what we are doing to make them now and the precision we have now? while the tooling can be simular between materials things change.
@@DeDunking I did wait one minute. you can see for your self by doing a google search that the current way of making these is done by using a very simple lathe and rotary stone with water lubrication. this is very accurate even with a very simple setup that could be done very barbarically. what I'm trying to say is instead of doing what the archeologist are doing why have they not gotten the advice of someone that does this every day and have them talk? It is great that we are talking about this stuff but lets involve the people that do this stuff now. that is where it is and has been going wrong for decades, centuries already. even a Wikipedia search will show us that their is evidence of possibly using a lathe around 1300 to 1400 BC. so why not just consintrate on pushing back the time the lathe could have perhaps been used? I'm on your side I think a technology was used to make them. but I think it's simple technology that we may still use. the lathe could even be hand cranked to work, it would not need to be powered with anything but human power. but if we want to go further it may be easy to look at water power we have evidence of them designing things around water. we don't need to make it sound mystical to achieve our goal. you guys are explaining it better than most but I think we could do better yet.
@@curtstacy779 There is a very simple reason: Ben _et al._ are totally uninterested in the truth of how any of the things were made, and totally focussed on scamming ignorant people who will believe whatever they claim, in order to sell them on things like tours, books, Patreon accounts, and the like. With a big enough net and enough ignorant people, the money rolls in, facts notwithstanding. Figures don't lie, but liars sure do figure.
@@curtstacy779its not possible unfortunately like Dan said you are comparing apple to oranges. The egyptians vessels are too thin to have been turned on a brute primitive lathe. the pressure would break them since they are made out of very hard stone way before you get to millimetric wall thicknesses, sorry but your cute 250$ vases aint it. The problem is the combination of hardness, thinness and precision together, that is really difficult to obtain. Like Adam said IF today we could make one that has all these features Im not too sure neither how we would get it. The egyptian ones are so think if you put a flash light inside it shines through the crystals outside of the vase.
@@xtremelemon8612 How thick is it? I'm not impressed at people that say it can't be done. I've lived my life proving them wrong. I didn't hear from one person that does this for a living in any video I've seen on this topic. It's been over a year now. they have had plenty of time to talk to someone by now. maybe I missed it but I don't believe I did. I would find someone that has been doing this their whole life and is good at it. otherwise it is just the same thing the archeologists do, make up a story that sounds good to them.
holy shit I lived by the Robert wadlow museum when I was a kid in edwardsville Illinois he was from Alton area I still live in so Ill but nearer to Carbondale rt 13 area wild
I’m a woodturner as a hobbyist. Maybe a suggestion is to test a lower tech approach? Machinists are very engineer brained, is all I’m saying. Where as people that understand simpler lathes, (work holding ect) might give a different perspective.
@adamnyc7935 All I’m saying is that machinists have difficulty thinking outside of precision step blocks for setups, or a DRO for measuring cuts, or a 4 jaw and indicators. But a simple lathe is a very capable tool in the right hands. And a modern machinist has very little experience with simpler tools.
@blakebrunner5499 No. But any single point along the circumference could easily be turned very precisely by hand. The trick is continually maintaining a precise measurement over the lateral axis. I’m not attempting to be rude or disrespectful. I’m just saying that people understand things differently. An American woodturner had difficulty understanding how easily South Korean or Japanese nesting bowls are produced. But it’s a routine procedure for them to precisely turn those sets out.
@@edwardteach3080 I see your point wrt the difference between the two. In the case of the ultra-precision we have seen in SOME vessels, the work is definitely not possible by hand. In other cases it most definitely is. So this becomes a very nuanced study...
The Romans never had anything to do with the trillathon. They couldn't even carve 1 piece columns out of granite. That's why they stole shit from Egypt
Interesting ideas here my friend, the island certainly holds a large degree of mystery and unanswered questions. Whether it's the biggest archaeological mystery of all, well, I guess we'll see. I do believe the island of Atlantis was occupied again long after its initial time of legend, unknowingly as another island, so it would be incredible to get some excavation data on this place to dig a little deeper and see what other secrets it holds. The land bridge would certainly suggest it was more inhabitable than previously thought, which could point to many other historic links.
For scanning of large structures do watch the channel of BAM, BARABAR caves in India. Scanning undertaken by professional company. Documentary is 3rd in a series. For me it is totally convincing of a prior technologically advanced civilisation where resonance did matter. BAM in French, original, Batisseurs de l'Ancien Monde and in English Builders of Ancient Monuments.
Well, resonances matter for us too. If you have a recording studio you can't let it to have bunch of annoying resonances in certain places of the room.
I find the comments about sexism throughout the video as removing from the discussion. The reason women are attacked for being women on the internet is 95% of the time is because they use being a women as a defense from attacks. Just like they use their sex for defense in real world. That's why we have the rules of the internet as follows: There are no girls on the internet. And Tits or gtfo. Because if you feel the need to mention being a certain sex, which only women feel the need to, then you only can offer the looks of that sex, being the tits. Stop playing into their playbook via focusing on this issue. Just ban actual sexists, but don't let them use non-arguments as defense and fon't pubish the counters to those non-arguments, that is "tits or gtfo".
Great conversation, if anything, the new discoveries are still being undersold and under appreciated. Thanks to Adam and the vase scan people for pushing the boundaries and getting new data and information and sharing with the public. And thanks DeDunking for also getting knowledge out to the wider world.
It was great having him on, honest and open about it all. I wouldn't mind having him on for round 2, I feel he's a solid person to interview, both entertaining and informative.
I completely agree with the knowledge lost analogy you gave. I spent a lot of time with my grandfather who was born in 1920 and even he did things which were strange, different techniques and tools were used or improvised. I think it largely has to do with technological culture of the time and region. I don't think it's a far stretch of the imagination that they had techniques and tools we just don't think of, I think it's a certainty.
Giant's Playground Complex in the Montana Megaliths was discovered by my husband Bill Ryder in 2015. We have taken hundreds of people there. There are two circular chambers underneath. Evergreen Dolmen is the one of the tallest dolmens in the world measuring 83 feet above ground level. A prominent Egyptian Archaeologist insisted he was going to be the one in charge of the dig when I posted a Bennu Bird. He was indignant when I told him it was in Montana and quoted Andrew Barker and his verification on the satellite deep geoscans.
I would love to have you on for a second chat Adam, just say the word and we will make it happen. You did a great job addressing the main topics, and did so honestly and clearly. It was a pleasure, and my only regret is my lack of preparedness with adding pics to the stream live.
@@adamnyc7935I have to say Adam, that I am most impressed with your knowledge of the Egyptian people, their history and just the country as well, in addition to the black market over there. I see the usual attacks are being made to discredit your work in any manner possible. Your are too kind and polite in addressing their criticisms. I look forward to hearing more updates on the project from you and the others involved in the future. Thanks for your efforts.
@@adamnyc7935 Thanks for the reply. The most important issue I felt wasn't properly addressed is what it would take to replicate one of these with modern tools. Night Scarab purports to have bought an off the shelf granite funerary vase, scanned it, and showed it has rotational symmetry of 1-4 thousands of an inch, right in line with the OG vase. You claim here, quite forcefully, that you simply can't make these things on a simple lath in a low-cost workshop, but don't deal with his evidence that you can. This of course is highly relevant to the provenance issue, because if Egyptian forgers were cranking these things out in back alley workshops in the early 20th century, that could explain the high volume of 'precise' vases in private collections. There were other topics that I thought were only superficially addressed. The critique of Mark Qvist's vase scan analysis in particular, although you may not be the best person to address that. Also, although you talked about the subject for a long time, you didn't really deal with the implications of the 'Toshka gap' and the fact that your hypothesis means tens of thousands of these vases were passed down for literally thousands of years, yet remain completely absent from the archeological record during that time period. I get you talk about some cultures maybe not using them as burial goods, but that's a pretty thin explanation for them not turning up at all. You kind of hand waive the issue by saying they are predynastic and inherited, as if inheriting something from 500 years earlier with continuous examples found in-between is the same as inheriting it from 5,000+ years earlier with no examples found in-between. That's why the Toshka stuff was so important; it was claimed similar vases were found around 10,000BC but they weren't.
@@CheesePolice If there is an stl file of the data scan of the funerary vessel, I am happy to analyze it. If the claim is true, I'll retract everything I said. From what I have seen, this is level of work is not something achieved today in ordinary granite objects at all. With respect to the vessels being missing from part of the historical record, (1) we don't know they were missing. We just do not see archaeologists dating them to these time periods. (2) I mentioned a few explanations that indicate why they may be missing. While it is possible these were first made around 5,000BC, I do not believe there is evidence to support that. The cultures of the time period do not seem to have had the abilities to create them.
There are 113 megalithic and pre-megalithic sites in the Montana Megaliths, many of which were verified by extensive satellite deep geoscans in 2016 and announce in April, 2017. Andrew Barker stated that 85% of the MM are still underground. Sage Wall is one of the walls that I provided evidence was megalithic construction in 2017. It took a while to convince Chris. Sage is not the largest or oldest by far. WW mentions History Shift who also found the Sage Wall and the Tizer Dolmen Complex on my website several years after I had published. I have been discovering and publishing the Montana Megaliths on my website and FB since 2012. I find it humorous that people are still questioning the intentional construction of Sage Wall when there are far more obviously intentionally constructed walls and much older megalithic sites that have already been verified by the most advanced technology in this field. See the truth. Google Julie Ryder Montana Megaliths and take a look at my extensive website with hundreds of photos and links.
Cool findings! Reminds of the evidence used on a RU-vid Documentary Series "Skeletons in the Cupboard" that aregues the peopling of New Zealand was much earlier. Though personally, I wouldn't point to this area of the world as the origin of Atlantis. Maybe it's Mu, but I think the late Dennis J. Stanford was closer with his European Clovis theory for Atlantis proper. I sort of mix that with Carlson's Azores/ Possible now-sunken Atlantic landmass/Island chain.
@@adamnyc7935 I didn’t think you meant any offence (btw, I’m not an artist or historian, just an ignorant layman who has been curious about ancient humanity ever since I read ‘After the Seventh Day’ by Ritchie Calder back in the ‘80s). But you did make an interesting point, because scientists and artists have very different approaches to understanding human behaviour and development throughout history. I don’t see either approach to be superior to the other and both have intrinsic limitations. Like all humans, both scientists and artists are subject to the human fallibilities of ignorance, arrogance and ideological bias; but humans are also perfectly capable of manifesting positive qualities in all circumstances. In this latter regard, scientists, artists, historians, archaeologists, astronomers, philosophers and practitioners of numerous disciplines can cooperate in discovering the reality of our ancient past. This isn’t just an academic exercise, but, I believe, has a significant bearing on our future development - maybe to the extent of the long term survival of our civilisation, if not our species. Thanks for your efforts to help bring clearer knowledge to the global community.
I love-hate Hamlet's Mill. Some really good info in there, but it's written like the authors want you to quit reading in frustration halfway through. I often compare it to wading through a sewer looking for diamonds.
Love the content guys BUT CAN EVERYONE IN THIS COMMUNITY DAN, ADAM, BEN, MATT ETC PLEASE LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "PROVIDENCE" AND "PROVENANCE!?" The word you are looking for relating to the origins and chain of custody of the pieces being discussed is "PROVENANCE!" PLEASE
10:00 nan madol, the rai stones, badrulchau, and house of taga are some other examples of polynesian megalithic works. This was not unique to rapa nui. Polynesians have a long history of this stuff
2:34 it can also be translated as “end of the world”, which makes sense as it’s the furthest that polynesians settled. That name was also used to describe the 3 capes of the island, making the “end” translation more credible.
The same reason only certain parts of the James Webb Telescope are damn near perfect whilst other bits are merely 'almost damn near fucking perfect'. The epitomes of perfect and shite don't exist, they're variable and all facets of any given thing will be in different variable degrees of [insert descriptor]. The Earth itself isn't perfect.
@@CoffeeFiend1 parts of that vase arent even close to perfect is the point, its just a well made vase, nothing crazy, didnt come from some ancient high tech
@@XMathiasxX It has literally to do with the point in the sentence that preceded it. It doesn't make sense to you because the previous point also didn't make sense to you. You could try reading again, I dunno maybe. We're still all using perfect aren't we? Which is a problem and goes back to... The point. But I don't know how I can dumb down the point further for you.
I’ve seen people using the sun to make intense heat beams. The holes they cut look similar to some found in Egypt, like around the unfinished obelisk. Seems like the sort of technology that could be innovated and used more than we do. We haven’t needed it. That and chemistry maybe? You could make batteries and lamps if you were great chemists.
You have seen people using Fresnel lenses or parabolic mirrors to use the sun to produce hot spots, not "beams". Those were both invented recently. Mirrors themselves, as we know them today, were invented many centuries after the ancient Egyptian were dust.
1:25 this seems like a bad point. Allegories are usually fictional. Plato’s cave allegory didn’t happen. The greek mythological stories are fictional. In modern times, movies where you have characters that personify trust or love are usually fictional. 1984 and the handmaids tale are modern allegories that have lots of cultural power despite being fictional. Thinking that plato must’ve been referring to a real place just because some ppl in the modern day talk about rome to get across their points is a smoothbrained take.
What's amusing is that Adam has never turned stonework yet confidently presents himself as an expert authority on the processes and methods including quality standards & capabilities of todays stone industry. I suppose he's never heard of micro-abrasion neither ? How about curling stones, Kugel fountain spheres ? Today's funery vases and urns have much lower tolerances, higher lux level polishes and are not truncated. Try telling OMAG Spa Italy that their lathe machines are not as capable in accuracy.
@marktyler3381 What tolerance were you thinking they require to be perfectly balanced and also in consideration of their size and weight ? Where do you come up with 2/10000 of an inch? Are they not promoting 4/1,000 of an inch (0.1mm) in surface deviation based on interpolated scan data ? There's no reason to believe that the vase predates our modern era.
I love all these ancient civilization theories, but there is much misinformation spread in these communities. "We don't have the tech today to replicate these artifacts" Considering that we have computer processors which is nano technology, how these guys like Jimmy and Ben can say that we don't have the technology today? We have the technology to build a pyramid 20 times bigger than the great pyramid, but there no real incentive to do so. Or "You can't do this with primitive tech", yea sure, go check Cologne Cathedral built with middle age tech, they best they had are wooden lathes and wooden cranes. There is videos where some of these guys are saying that something is perfect flat or straight, meanwhile I can see on the video with my own eyes that these surfaces are not perfectly flat or these lines are not perfectly straight. The word "perfect" is massively misused by these guys that it becomes annoying. No surprise Academia and real archaeologists can't take them seriously.
It's one of those things that falls into the category of "shit archaeologists imply" because they love teetering on the absolute bleeding edge of the kind of quackery people will believe so won't quite directly say it.
With how crazy jealous Fibble has been about Graham having Keanu Reeves on the show I’d love to see Graham create a season 3 with a number of blockbuster celebrities who are more supportive of Graham giving Graham their opinion which at this rate would turn Flint and his colleagues into an absolute lunatics.
An interest? That like says the I have an interest in medicine but never went to medical school and am now making claims that the best minds in the field consider laughable.
@@blakebrunner5499 Yes and the plumber who I call when my toilet is clogged knows more about toilets. What is your point? Medical doctors don’t need to know how every piece of equipment in medicine functions in order to understand and use it. Hint the MRI was developed by researchers that had an extensive educational background. It was not done by some high school dropouts.
@@drstevej2527 You don't know how anything works including whatever it was you went to school for. Hint: The fact I know how it works implies something.
