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Restoring & Reviewing the SEGA PLUTO PROTOTYPE - 1 of 2 ON EARTH - Adam Koralik 

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It's Adam Koralik here and today we're discussing the infamous Sega Pluto prototype. This video was in production for two years due to the pandemic. Special thanks to Ben Heck and Roger Vega for making this possible.
The Sega Pluto was a revised version of the Sega Saturn that never came out, but we have one, and let's take a look at it under the hood!
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@PhantomRiverStone
@PhantomRiverStone 2 года назад
Fun speculation about whether the Japanese on the sticker meaning "what on earth is this" was a subtle planet-related nod! Actually the original language version doesn't contain the word "earth" - it could equally be read as "what the heck is this!".
@nickmorris6839
@nickmorris6839 2 года назад
Adam Koralik and Ben Heck doing a rare Sega rebuild while Ben's wearing an MST3K shirt??? Circa ~2011 me would've died and went to heaven. 2021 me thinks it's still pretty cool.
@garnerfishy
@garnerfishy 2 года назад
this channel is THE BEST because it keeps the vibe of the golden age of the internet, and also keeps it modern. PERFECT.
@CCH3900
@CCH3900 2 года назад
Awesome stuff. A pity the HDD doesn't do anything. Would've been neat if that had some RIPPED Saturn games or prototypes or something. The fact that it missing the spring on the CD door makes me think that this my have been intended as display unit at a Electronics show or something.
@nsgames24
@nsgames24 2 года назад
Its pretty cool to see a piece of gaming history being preserved like this. 🙂
@Spewa-em8cm
@Spewa-em8cm 2 года назад
I was trying so hard to find time to make it to Pinball Expo, but it just wasn't meant to be. Good video though, I love how enthusiastic Roger is about showing off the Pluto and keeping it well taken care of.
@dwightdixon8508
@dwightdixon8508 2 года назад
Such an exciting video gaming find and definitely a piece of gaming history that should be preserved. Can't quite understand how something like this ends up out in the wild, regardless it seems like it's in the hands of someone who appreciates it and understands the importance of it too
@mikehart10
@mikehart10 2 года назад
I love it! Thank you as always Adam!
@RetroRaider
@RetroRaider 2 года назад
Thank you for sharing this. Sega history right there.
@chronomagus
@chronomagus 2 года назад
Always cool to see what ''new'' accessories can do to old hardware, especially to rare pieces like this.
@johnnada6855
@johnnada6855 2 года назад
I wonder if the Pluto instead of being a Saturn slim was more a Saturn "pro" to fight the ps1 back, cause there were rumors of a saturn 2 back then, finally they cut that and went full on into the dreamcast
@ArcadeFreak-gw5rp
@ArcadeFreak-gw5rp 2 года назад
The Pluto is so damn cool, I wish I had one of those, the Saturn is one of my favorite systems, sega could have did some much more with it. Sooo many great Japanese games for it especially if you like shooters. Great video Adam
@seanmckelvey6618
@seanmckelvey6618 2 года назад
Sega did as much as they could with it. It didn't fail because they didn't try, it failed because hardly anyone outside of japan actually bought one.
@ArcadeFreak-gw5rp
@ArcadeFreak-gw5rp 2 года назад
@@seanmckelvey6618 because of the games, The saturn has so many games that didn’t leave Japan it’s a damn shame, sega didn’t try hard enough if they wanted it to succeed they would have brought over even half the games from Japan and the system would have sold way better. I had both the saturn and ps1 and I played my saturn way more. The u.s library has some good games but a lot of crap as well where as Japan had so many great shooters and back then it wasn’t like today where you can just go online and order a game from Japan and have it within 2 weeks or so. I feel they could have done more with it.
@IanNewYashaTheFinalAct
@IanNewYashaTheFinalAct 2 года назад
9:03 “most people in 2005 had computers with 80-100gb in it” Me, a poor boy: having flashbacks of buying CD-R’s in 100-disc spindles because my dual HDD setup only totaled up to 25gb
@hardgay7537
@hardgay7537 2 года назад
Dude, I was using a 98 with 1gb on the drive. Stronghold Crusader lagged on it, but it ran the first two harry potter games fine. 2nd game was way better than I expected. .
@darktetsuya
@darktetsuya 2 года назад
huh yeah the stuff that didn't work reminds me of the stuff that wasn't working on the Nintendo Playstation like how it couldn't read CDs? was probably just mostly a concept and not everything was working inside that prototype system. still super cool to see it, never knew the thing was planned to have an HDD inside it!
@colinroberts9544
@colinroberts9544 2 года назад
Super cool video mate, thanks to you and the lads for taking the time to make it..🍺👍
@Klippenschubser
@Klippenschubser 2 года назад
Very cool Video. Thanks a lot to everyone involved.
@zyrobs
@zyrobs 2 года назад
Fun fact: Sega already had a hard drive equipped Saturn on the market before this console! It was the Karaoke Commander (SKC-1000), and it had a Saturn, a modem, a Roland synthesizer, a hard drive & a full hard drive controller, an elaborate front panel similar to hi-fi system, and a Denon amplifier all built in. It was sold for Karaoke parlours, and you could connect it to the internet to download new songs to the built-in hard drive (there were also CDs released for the system with more songs as well as games). It was a massive thing that supported multiple audio/video inputs/outputs, played really nice quality MIDI versions of songs, and it could be switched over to play Saturn games with a button (it used the same board as the early Saturns, only the I/O slots were changed). It was released in either late 1994 or early 1995. I have the 1996 version which came with a 1 GByte hard drive, and only used like 7 PCBs instead of the originals 11 or so.
@InfectedJello
@InfectedJello 2 года назад
This is awesome, thanks for sharing.
@modellifesa
@modellifesa 2 года назад
Great video Adam !!
@maxb8955
@maxb8955 2 года назад
Nice to meet you at Found It Electronics yesterday and thank you for talking to me about this awesome console and letting me hold it and take some pictures. So cool!
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
Thanks for taking the time to listen!
@sharkt96
@sharkt96 2 года назад
Thanks for sharing this with us
@DamnDraws
@DamnDraws 2 года назад
That's really cool, so nice to have a piece of SEGA's history.
@mtshark7
@mtshark7 2 года назад
That's awesome that it's now up and running.
@andresbravo2003
@andresbravo2003 2 года назад
You really did it well done!
@shaggymcdaniel3216
@shaggymcdaniel3216 2 года назад
My Tectoy Saturns won’t read Action Replay either, even though officially licensed carts, like the ntsc-U memory card work. Kinda sucks, because I play a lot of Japanese games.
@zyrobs
@zyrobs 2 года назад
Memory cards are not region locked, they are passive components. Bootable carts and MPEG cards are region locked. Your action replay should still have the memory expansion part on it working even if the card does not boot, since that part was passive. And the reason it does not work is most likely either because it needs reflashing, or because the cart slot sucks and doesn't see the cart properly. Action Replays have a rewriteable firmware and they often end up bricking themselves because the cart slot just sucks.
@nathanwalker4013
@nathanwalker4013 2 года назад
Can't wait to see this in person! Dec 11th KC Retro Gaming Swap and Collectibles Show
@RobertGerman
@RobertGerman 2 года назад
Holy heck, it's Ben Heck!
@zombee38
@zombee38 2 года назад
I watched and observed this video 😎 Great video !
@shuengli8867
@shuengli8867 2 года назад
Interesting bit of kit and history there.
@aegonthedragon7303
@aegonthedragon7303 2 года назад
I have a feeling the Hard disk isn’t recognized like with the modem hence why it doesn’t even try to spin it up, probably due to missing software/instructions.
@MrVolksbeetle
@MrVolksbeetle 2 года назад
I'd bet there was a boot disc or some manner of alternative BIOS/interface cart that would enable the motherboard to recognize the expansion cards. I also wonder if connecting the modem to a phone line would activate it?
@xsuicidesn0wmanx
@xsuicidesn0wmanx 2 года назад
Was neat to see this at the Pinball Expo last weekend. Bet it'll get a lot more attention at the other conventions.
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
Glad you came out to that!
@mathieulh
@mathieulh 2 года назад
The fact that a whole bunch of people had this unit in hands and did NOT dump the BIOS does boggle the mind...
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
The BIOS isn't special, you're assuming it is.
@mathieulh
@mathieulh 2 года назад
@@AdamKoralik Have you actually dumped it and compared its checksum against existing (already dumped) revisions?
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
@@mathieulh Personally, no. That's not my field. But I'd be stunned if anything was different about it. Ultimately the decision to do is so is Roger's not mine.
@mathieulh
@mathieulh 2 года назад
If you care about preserving what's on that unit: worst case scenario, you remove the mask rom, dump it with a an external programmer, install it back on. best case scenario, you use a satiator, run a dumper that copies the BIOS to SD or serial port Heck, had I have my hands on the unit I would have dumped EVERY single rom chips on the thing, including (but not limited to) the SH1 CD Block rom (which requires unsoldering the SH1 and installing it on a custom board.) Out of all the people who had access to this unit, the fact that none of this was even attempted baffles me.
@knight0fdragon
@knight0fdragon 2 года назад
Weird that Ben Heck did not think to do that last year
@chaospoet
@chaospoet 2 года назад
So this was started in March 2020 B.C. (Before Covi... you get the point). Also seeing this glorious device again is a treat.
@darthv72
@darthv72 2 года назад
It will be nice to see you again (as well as see Roger and the Pluto) in December at Sac Gamers Expo. Maybe we can grab a beer afterwards with Riggs?
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
I don't drink, but coffee is always something I'm down for.
@RoXolid
@RoXolid 2 года назад
I touched it! I touched the Pluto!
@wojiaobill
@wojiaobill 2 года назад
Dude I can't wait to get to Guam. Visited Hawaii just before the pando , but I remember you saying Guam is more chill. My wife and I are in Taiwan, which is very close, but Taiwan still requires 14-day quarantine upon return, so we're waiting.
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
Taiwan is on my list too. Guam is great, but very hot.
@kevinvanneste2500
@kevinvanneste2500 2 года назад
Great video
@dashrendar_8307
@dashrendar_8307 2 года назад
I really like seeing videos really rare stuff thanks
@SaturnHST
@SaturnHST 2 года назад
The Netlink modem was released on 10-31-1996, which was after this was created. For whatever reason I think they abandoned the idea of an all-in-one console and just released the modem on it's own.
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
Huh, now THAT is interesting.
@SaturnHST
@SaturnHST 2 года назад
@@AdamKoralik Also the 1M RAM cart was released on 9-20-1996 in Japan. It would be interesting to see if the Pluto has this built-in as well. Did you try a stand-alone region converter cart (not Action Replay)?
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
@@SaturnHST I don't own one.
@segare-trop-vieux3932
@segare-trop-vieux3932 2 года назад
@@AdamKoralik I have a pseudo Kai cartridge for the Saturn with sd card built in for the Saturn to share or even my Satiator if you want to check with it.
@davless152000
@davless152000 2 года назад
Awesome video Adam makes me wish I still had a saturn lol that system looks amazing to bad sega never released one it would of been cool if that was released along side if virtual fighter rpg actually happened
@chrisgreen521
@chrisgreen521 2 года назад
Amazing video🎮👑
@cyphaborg6598
@cyphaborg6598 2 года назад
Now that Earth image on boot with Sega CD makes sense.
@lordcanti
@lordcanti 2 года назад
Epic vidya bruh!
@michael-zg5fq
@michael-zg5fq 2 года назад
How good would it be to own both Nintendo playstation and Sega Pluto
@giligan1004
@giligan1004 2 года назад
Roger's DGD Shirt is so awesome.
@dizzydee4889
@dizzydee4889 9 месяцев назад
the Japanese label inside that reads なんじゃこりゃ "what on earth is this?" doesn't actually refer to earth or planets, it's more literally means "what is this?", an emphatic "what the hell is this?", often used in times of exasperated confusion, almost a WTF!
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 9 месяцев назад
Yep, that was explained to me later. :P
@RSans4210
@RSans4210 2 года назад
This is an awesome video
@FRANKENBERRY.
@FRANKENBERRY. 2 года назад
luv the vid cool little piece of gaming history been thinking about getting into collecting for the 3ds now that it's life is over games are beginning to get real cheap
@silenthill4
@silenthill4 6 месяцев назад
you can swap out that PSU with a SaturnPSU or a USB C option Marvel Super Heroes (US) also uses the expansion RAM
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 6 месяцев назад
No way in hell we'd put a different PSU in a prototype man.
@iliketurtles4869
@iliketurtles4869 2 года назад
Cool piece of history to have my friend! I don't have anything turtle related to talk about.
@KiteAndKeyProductions
@KiteAndKeyProductions 2 года назад
Roger with the sweet DGD Afterburner shirt. Nice.
@sharkt96
@sharkt96 2 года назад
I'm already waiting for the first video of the traveling channel
@ethanrevard3533
@ethanrevard3533 2 года назад
Props to Roger for good taste in music!
@MetalTiger88
@MetalTiger88 2 года назад
Always love these weird console prototypes🤗
@sjmatiak
@sjmatiak 2 года назад
Ben Heck’s a cool dude, met him at MGC 2019
@coolioistheboss
@coolioistheboss 2 года назад
Adam Koralik + Ben Heck. It's like chocolate meeting peanut butter.
@nintendolunchbox
@nintendolunchbox 2 года назад
You put Ben Heck in my Adam Koralik video!!! Aaaaannnn d Reese’s peanut butter cups were invented.
@pladampa
@pladampa 2 года назад
Awesome collab. The video was still fine even with a bit of recording problems. I bet it was Ben's evil twin brother Benjamin Hell. Ben restores rare console while Benjamin breaks them. Jk like I said Awesome video and collab.
@Riz2336
@Riz2336 2 года назад
Definitely prototype, but cool to see and share with the Saturn fans such as myself
@RetroPiero
@RetroPiero 2 года назад
2 in the whole world huh? Neat
@GrounderSez
@GrounderSez 2 года назад
man the pluto looks cool
@jomon324
@jomon324 2 года назад
"We did our best" **Rayman shrugs as he points at the TV** 100/10
@fordxbgtfalcon
@fordxbgtfalcon 2 года назад
Nice!
@Artzei
@Artzei 2 года назад
I could've sworn that i've seen this particular prototype already being fixed once before.....
@KenSch2020
@KenSch2020 2 года назад
I watched the video that Ben Hack repairing the Sega Pluto and I think it was a great that video made me want to watch Ben's video and I subscribe to his channel and resently subscribed to your channel.
@theunknown1426
@theunknown1426 2 года назад
Here's a fun fact before sega's HDD "KILLER INSTINCT" arcade cabinet was the FIRST EVER arcade cabinet to have a HDD in 1994
@magic8bit509
@magic8bit509 2 года назад
@5:29「なんじゃこりゃN3」lol
@avflashback8913
@avflashback8913 2 года назад
Wow!!! That jacket and bum bag, Roger looks like he has come straight from 1992. LOL!!!
@zyrobs
@zyrobs 2 года назад
If you swap the Hard Drive PCB, consider that you may need to switch the chip that contains the firmware. I've done hard drive PCB swaps before to recover data, and without the correct firmware that belongs to the magnetic disks inside, it won't run. I don't know if this is also true for a 1996 drive but keep this in mind.
@jamesburke2759
@jamesburke2759 2 года назад
My best guess about not being able to access the hard drive and modem might be because it needs a boot disc. Possibly some sort of thing to do with a dev unit?
@dahjord
@dahjord 2 года назад
epic adam
@violinlover3817
@violinlover3817 2 года назад
Too nice 🙋👍
@rustymixer2886
@rustymixer2886 2 года назад
I like the svideo out
@kingkillergrave
@kingkillergrave 2 года назад
You could test the RAM with a US marvel superheroes, pretty sure that still has the option for added ram.
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
Would also need a copy.
@memyopinionsche6610
@memyopinionsche6610 2 года назад
And not including DVD support hurt a lot. Yes Sony had that Locked up. Totally understand that.
@waynosdaboss
@waynosdaboss 2 года назад
You guys need someone (Ben) to take another look at the cartridge slot / extra ram issue. This defo needs a follow up so you can get it to boot non us games or at least answer some of the unanswered questions.
@chuntsechien
@chuntsechien 2 года назад
someone needs to go to Xbox's wiki and edit out the first hard drive thing, that honor is now officially belong to Pluto
@SK91NO
@SK91NO 2 года назад
Debatable since the Pluto never officially released
@THEFALLOFSONY
@THEFALLOFSONY 2 года назад
Except an unreleased prototype isn't the same as an actual released console.
@TalesBarros
@TalesBarros 2 года назад
American version of Marvel Super Heroes is compatible with the 1MB RAM cartridge, allowing a new "3MB RAM mode" on the options menu. You can try that. If the Pluto has extra RAM (1MB or 4MB), you should have this "3MB RAM mode" on options screen of Marvel Super Heroes.
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
It actually says in the options menu that it would have 3MB RAM mode?
@TalesBarros
@TalesBarros 2 года назад
@@AdamKoralik exactly! If you boot MSH (US or Japanese) with a 1MB or 4MB ram cart, go to options menu of the game and you'll see a 3MB RAM mode with on/off toggles. Animation is much better when turned on (choose Shuma Gorath character and you'll see what I mean)
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
Guess I'll need to track down the game.
@IanNewYashaTheFinalAct
@IanNewYashaTheFinalAct 2 года назад
3:43 we’re gonna spread a little 🐢 wax *and sacrifice Franklin the 🐐 to give it life*
@SuperLuigiGuy64
@SuperLuigiGuy64 2 года назад
Cool :]
@Popclone
@Popclone 2 года назад
That HD has to do with online gaming, probably downloading to it part of the game(s). I speculate there should be a menu, dial-up menu, some kind of configuration, maybe its hidden.
@Popclone
@Popclone 2 года назад
Maybe its missing the “browser” disc that brings that menu up to access the hd or the dial up.
@halo3odst
@halo3odst 2 года назад
an HDD in 96, SEGA deserves more respect than they get.
@Bikeguychicago1
@Bikeguychicago1 2 года назад
Have you tried running any of the games that required more memory (Like Dungeons & Dragons, etc.) on the unit without a 4MB memory card?
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
As I said in the video, can't. They're all Japanese, the unit isn't region free.
@GoldenPickaxe
@GoldenPickaxe 2 года назад
any chance you can dump the pluto bios
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
Me personally, no. I doubt Roger would mind. But there's nothing special about it.
@MrVestek
@MrVestek 2 года назад
DIsclaimer: Adam is 100% not drunk at the start of the video. :-P
@chadbrick67
@chadbrick67 2 года назад
Big papa style Pluto
@Flunchbungle
@Flunchbungle 2 года назад
[adjusts tie, stands up and coughs into hand] Aaaakshully... if you literally crapped money it was possible to put a hard drive in your CD32 earlier than this. [realises nobody cares, sits back down, sobs quietly to himself]
@Spewa-em8cm
@Spewa-em8cm 2 года назад
Thats not included in every console though, its an addon.
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
As an attachment. This was built right into the unit.
@Flunchbungle
@Flunchbungle 2 года назад
Yeah, true. [sobs harder]
@cyo_corner
@cyo_corner 2 года назад
If your friend would like to borrow my Satiator to test please let me know.
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
We're trying to cook something up with that.
@cyo_corner
@cyo_corner 2 года назад
@@AdamKoralik also Roger has a 21 pin drive in the Pluto. He can use an ODE if he wanted to. If he wants to borrow my Satiator for a while I don't mind letting him borrow.
@BocaRetroGames
@BocaRetroGames 2 года назад
Have you tried testing swap trick rom burned imports?
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
I'm not willing to try a swap trick on a prototype.
@cax1175
@cax1175 2 года назад
Hey Adam, don't forget to put your travel channel on this channels featured channels.
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
Can't, that's the whole problem with new channels. It has to meet certain thresholds to even do the basics now. Thanks RU-vid.
@krushingbro6620
@krushingbro6620 2 года назад
here i was with fingers crosed that the harddrive might be home to some rare protoype of saturn shenmue, but alas no joy :(
@rustymixer2886
@rustymixer2886 2 года назад
1996 hd sega console 😲
@nintendolunchbox
@nintendolunchbox 2 года назад
I love Ben heck.
@funnyguy150
@funnyguy150 2 года назад
Action Replay block makes sense to combat software piracy back in the day. I would bet those cheat carts wouldn't work on it either. You could try disc swapping into a Japanese game to test the ram expansion. Try both a 1mb game and a 4mb. I would imagine if the system came with extra memory and a hard drive that it would have some kind of upgraded Netlink support for downloading files through the internet and would have been sold at a higher price point. Neat missing link between the Saturn and the Dreamcast.
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
I don't really want to swap trick a prototype.
@funnyguy150
@funnyguy150 2 года назад
@@AdamKoralik Fair enough. I suppose once you get your hands on the Satiator it'll achieve the same result.
@8bitsnkboy472
@8bitsnkboy472 2 года назад
The solution for playing Japanese (or other region) games on the Pluto prototype is to get hold of some system discs. These were official tools released in at least two varieties and used by Saturn developers back in the day on either red or black discs. One type will let you boot copies of 1st party games and the other 3rd party ones (on either original discs or CD-R copies). They are getting pricy out there these days though - there are supposedly blue ones out there too (that let you load any disc), but I have never seen one myself.
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
Amusing you suggest this, we actually tried that (after this video), and that didn't work.
@zyrobs
@zyrobs 2 года назад
@@AdamKoralik System discs only bypass the copy protection. They do not bypass region checks. Development consoles had region switches installed in them for this reason. It was a rotary dial, the systems could be set to any of the region codes, and they had a small sticker on it explaining which region each code belongs to - 1 was japan, 2 was Asia NTSC, 4 was USA, 12 was Europe.
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
@@zyrobs I'm aware. Trust me, it didn't work. I even have footage of it failing.
@zyrobs
@zyrobs 2 года назад
@@AdamKoralik I know it didn't work, since it's not designed to bypass region checks in the first place. But if the cart slot is functional, you can just use an action replay to bypass the region.
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
@@zyrobs We showed that Action Replay doesn't function on the Pluto in the video.
@George090974
@George090974 2 года назад
Ben 's the man
@raylyd
@raylyd 2 года назад
nice :)
@mohammedganai9636
@mohammedganai9636 Год назад
Was the Pluto the model with two SH-2 processors on one chip?
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik Год назад
No idea.
@lmotaku
@lmotaku 2 года назад
We don't talk about the no nos in the not so distant time ago where people did a lot of nothing.
@GRuiz-fx3ft
@GRuiz-fx3ft 2 года назад
There has to be other engineers who can look into this system and offer other solutions (ie harddrive implementation, etc) How about getting with a company that can offer a part listing along with a 3D print for the shell/case and offer it all as a conversion kit for original Saturn owners?
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
There's a lot of reasons this just isn't possible.
@memyopinionsche6610
@memyopinionsche6610 2 года назад
Is this system pre Sega Saturn or Dreamcast prototypes?
@AdamKoralik
@AdamKoralik 2 года назад
January 1996 would be after the Saturn launched but before Dreamcast prototypes were made.
@memyopinionsche6610
@memyopinionsche6610 2 года назад
That's what I figured.. thanks for the information historical insight.. But my theory Sega shouldn't blown or load. over 32x Sega CD and Saturn.. And waited a bit.. Pretty sure Dreamcast would have been an epic game changer.. But hindsight is 20/20. But if I could go into dimensional universe. I'm pretty sure the Sega Dreamcast would have gone much bigger.. But that's just a theory.
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