Rethinking Hell (Is Hell Eternal Conscious Torment?): With Jordan Sutton (2019) 

Part 2 please!

Great discussion! The last 2 1/2 years i have gone thru a similar slow study of my own. After going to church my entire life, i finally realized i could not put The Gospel into my own words. I began to study what it is and what it is not. I learned about the origins/teachings of the NAR, the Word of Faith, the emergent church, and the influence of new age in the church. I was appauled by how many of those twisted teachings i believed. I repented and am developing a more Biblical simplified belief. I now call myself a conservative Pentecostal, and i am amazed by how many different views & ways to believe the scriptures. Everyone can validate their views, at least to themselves. Even tho Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, people sure have a million ways to intepret His word. The Truth is not as black and white as one would think.

Man, this is very intriguing! I have had some of these thoughts over the years , never really addressed them. I want to thank remnant radio for having the courage to discuss these topics like this!!

Jude 1:7 talks about sodom and gomorrah undergoing eternal fire but that doesn't mean they are still burning but they were destroyed.

I think the parable about Lazarus and the Rich man's point is centered around the words of Abraham saying "even if someone comes back from the dead they will not believe"... it was alluding to the fact that someone was about to go to the grave and return and even so countless will still not believe. Jesus was sort of prophesying about Himself and what He was about to do

The doctrine of eternal torment did not become Orthodoxy until after five centuries after Christ which gives me pause to examine it further.

I tend to believe in eternal punishment but not eternal torment.

Excellent presentation Jordan. Well done brother. Biblical, humble, and logical all at the same time. You did a great job!

I would love to put this subject on my list of things I want to study more in-depth! One thing I notice when we evangelize to the lost... Is, if you tell them "eternal torment," they're more likely to be concerned. But, if you tell them you'll cease to exist; they don't really care as much and just shrug their shoulders and say, "oh well." So, I like to warn them of both consequences.

What's really sad in disappointing? Is that nobody at any point in this video, of which I have watched in entirety, addressed the fact that "for ever and ever" is a mistranslation of "for ages."

Interesting discussion. I agree with Jordan. Historically, the doctrine of eternal torment began in Greek mythology. Then, the Roman Catholics adopted it to keep their members in bondage to fear. And many of our modern Bibles, which were originally translated from the Greek largely by Roman Catholics, confused the terms "Sheol," "Hades," and "Hell," obscuring the issue. Sadly, the vast majority of non-Catholic Christians have bought into that doctrine. Careful exegesis reveals that the place of torment is Sheol or Hades, but Gehenna, translated "Hell," is the place of destruction. Also, the Hebrew ('olam) and Greek (aion) terms translated "forever," do not refer to timeless eternity. They refer to a long, indefinite period of time, but not to timeless eternity. Finally, as Jordan mentioned, Yeshua said, "Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul, but fear Him who can DESTROY [not "torment"] the body and the soul in Hell (Mat 10:28)." Yes, incredible torment is in store for the unredeemed in Sheol or Hades, but not when, after the final judgment, they are destroyed in Hell or the Lake of Fire ("Hell" in Revelation 20:14 in the KJV should be "Hades").

Thank you for such an interesting, great and respectful conversation.

Part 2 For Sure...would love for y'all to have Jordan back for another episode!

I missed this one! I'll have to listen to it as soon as possible!

Yes, please, part two!

Yes, please bring Jordan back for Part 2! I’ve been debating this a lot with someone at my church.

Have Jordan back on again, i myself have been on this path of study for a while. John 3:16 and Romans 6:23 were eye openers for me. Either you perish / die or inherit ever lasting life

Edward Fudge has great videos on youtube and books on conditionalism. Recommend!

Bring on Robin Parry who has done so much scholarship on Ultimate Reconciliation/Christian Universalism. He is a great resource. Love these conversations to foster open discussion.

Thanks for covering this topic.

First and foremost. Love what you guys are doing and even though I don't share your same views exactly I am proud to call you brothers in Christ. On the topic, the only part that I would probably push back on a little bit is the fact that the fear of God is the begining of wisdom, and I think within that fear, I've always felt the reality of hell, and a place I don't want to end up . and like you said, that may be something that we have just believe traditionally, and haven't really invested much time into studying . But I would say the reality of eternal punishment has been something that really was the driving force behind my surrendering to Christ and the hope of eternal life in heaven . Look forward to another interview. Diving in deeper. God bless you guys.

Listening in the UK. I have only recently discovered Remnant radio and would like to say just how interesting and riveting and helpful I have found what I have watched: thank you! With respect, one thing to pick up here: it is a common misconception to claim that the Rev John Stott advocated annihilationism. In fact, he wrote in his book ‘Essentials,’ (a dialogue with a liberal counterpart) that he would accept annihilationism as a credible reading of the relevant Scriptures, (a statement that got him in a lot of bother), but he never wrote that he embraced this view personally.

David Pawson's book, "The Road To Hell" does a great job, using scholarship, to argue for Eternal Conscious Torment. It's a small book. One of the highlights is that it explains the meaning of the word 'destruction', and what is its most common use in Scripture.

Part 2 pleaseeeeee!!

I appreciate the conversation guys, even though it's 4 years old. PLEASE MAKE A LINK TO PART 2 THE PINNED COMMENT. Or put it in the description.

Part 2 with Jordan please!

Outstanding! There are countless other OT & NT verses that support the view he presents.

Yes! I truly believe that this understanding will break the shackles that have bound the church from sharing the Gospel with confidence and joy. "In your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who slander you may be put to shame by your good behavior in Christ.…"

The Greek word translated as hell in English is hades. Gehenna is a place of destruction which was a dump outside Jerusalem which was always burning. Some bibles translate that too as hell. Hell just means the grave where people go when they die. Jesus went there too. Looking at it logically: For God to torment someone forever, He will have to first give them the GIFT of eternal life and then torture them. Makes no sense.

Have Jordan back on!!!

Yes, do a part 2.

Can you discuss/comment, in Part Two, on how this view has sometimes been combined, and hence dismissed as heresy, with the false teaching of soul sleep? We were taught both soul sleep and nihilism in the cult of Armstrongism growing up and have really wrestled with the concept of hell since being saved, especially since mainline Christians just accept eternal conscious torment without question, as you have pointed out here. Thanks for your time and consideration. Your approach to this and other doctrinal topics is much appreciated.

I think there is definitely an appeal from within our hearts that the consequences of sin would not be eternal. It is a difficult concept to meditate on, but I feel like there is a lot of scooting around verses here to avoid what scripture implies if not outright teaches. One plain verse that was not brought up was Daniel 12:2 - "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." It appears that the contempt for those who are not found in Christ will be eternal. The word used for contempt is only used in one other passage in the scriptures, one that I believe was brought up and dismissed, Isaiah 66:24 - “And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.” Both passages clearly are speaking of those resurrected at the end, one speaks of the length of contempt, and the other speaks of what that contempt means with reference to the worm and fire. Then that same language is used by Jesus in the New Testament repeatedly to warn those about the fate of the ungodly... why would Jesus use that language with concepts of worm never sleeping and fire never quenched if this punishment were only temporary? It doesn't make sense. Clearly, this is a secondary issue, but I don't know that the scriptures could be more clear if you simply read them in context and imagine what the hearers were intended to take away.

I came to this conclusion while thinking about black holes. If you watch another person fall into a black hole, you will see them approach the event horizon infinitely slowly, because of how light leaving a black hole slows down. You will never see them arrive. The person, however, will see very little, as they fall in and are infinitely squished into a singularity or whatever happens in there. From the outside, their existence is infinite, from the inside, finite. I thought, 'if God sustains our existence by His very attention and word, then to be forgotten about or ignored by God would be deletion. But a continuing being (not infinite, just would have kept going) being will somehow experience this deletion forever." So I came to the conclusion it is a fire which consumes forever, from the point of view of the consumee, and a fire which consumes instantly from the point of view of the consumer.

LOVE this channel! Only one constructive criticism: trying to deal with the live calls takes away from the show

Yaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssss!! I'm so frustrated with how many times I have been deemed "heretical" for my view of CI. Ive gotten to the point where I never talk about it anymore. We recently moved and started going to a new church that started a series on heaven/hell right after we started going. My husband mentioned my view to the pastor who got EXTREMELY concerned and treated me as a Universalist. He brought me a copy of "Erasing Hell" by Francis Chan...not having any understanding that Preston Sprinkle has said CI is relavent. Sigh...

Chris Date is one of the for most experts on CI since Dr. Fudge's passing. Please check him out at rethinkinghell.com

I think he is too hung up on the idea of Eternal life being the same as immortality. They are not the same. Humans are not eternal but he have an eternal spirit that will be forever in heaven or hell. Not to mention, the bible definition of life is when we are united with God (now and in heaven eternally) and death is being separated from God (now and in hell). We see that in Ephesians 2.... "we were dead in sins but are now alive unto Christ." Same in colossians. This is clearly not talking about human life since we all had a pulse before we came to salvation. This is about being separated from God (dead to God) vs connect to God (Alive and responsive to him) Those in hell face an eternal death, meaning they will be forever separated from God because they rejected His free gift of His son Jesus who saves. This does not make God unloving, he is a righteous and perfect judge... if you sin and go against God, you face judgement. Just the same as we don't think it wrong for a natural judge to send someone to prison for a crime. The wages of sin is death (separation from God) -- we will all die a natural death even if we live for Jesus.... but the true death is the one separate from God.

Very interesting discussion, this is an issue I want to delve into more. A side note here, though it is not directly pertinent to this discussion, Dr. Fudge being Church of Christ does give me pause for concern. From what I understand, Church of Christ, at least traditionally, did think they were the one, true restored church, and that one needed a regenerative, believer’s baptism within the structure of the Church of Christ to be saved. They also do not believe in original sin from what I understand. The podcast, Cultish, from Apologia Church did an episode on this a while back which is where I’m drawing a lot of this from. Still, a good and insightful episode.

Part 2 as well and maybe having some scholars that hold to universal salvation.

I would love to watch either John Walton or Inspiring Philosophy discuss this topic.

Have Jordan back on 👍

I would like to get in contact with Jordan Sutton if that is possible. I have some fresh insights on conditional immortality that I would love to share with him.

I understand the view, but I cannot take the translation or the blatant disregard of phrases like " no rest" or "torment forever and ever" and ignore it. I am just hearing too much grasping at straws type of excuses for some of the things he is reading. I don't want eternal torment to be true! But If it is true it is what it is. The revelation scriptures really defeat it in my opinion. Also the Isiah scripture does as well. Especially the " and they will find no rest" . Sounds awful!! Jesus save us! Thank you for presenting the viewpoint. I do appreciate it and look forward to the 2nd video

At 31:03 he talked about Judith. I do not know if this is the only reference to eternal suffering but here this verse is. Judith 16:17 (NRSV): 17 Woe to the nations that rise up against my people! The Lord Almighty will take vengeance on them in the day of judgment; he will send fire and worms into their flesh; they shall weep in pain forever. 35:24 weeping and gnashing of teeth he said means angry. Hippocrates used the word as a physical manifestation not emotional. Specifically symptomatic of chills. But mostly it does mean an emotional response

I’ve read a lot of scripture and done quite a bit of Bible study, however, I believe imo that it makes sense that in order for God to have to have his Kingdom on Earth he would have to annihilate the wicked and have his own people there in order to have peace on Earth. I do believe that the grandiose Platonic imagery did introduce a lot of false doctrine and it was indoctrinated into scripture along with others I.e. Dante’s Divine Comedy, which btw, I didn’t find comedic or amusing at all.

I realize this is two years too late but, it sounds like he wants to build a case around the OT statements.. but what about the words of the Lord Himself? ......................... Jesus Christ says in Matthew 25:41, "Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels." In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." ........ How does he reconcile such a position with these verses ?

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In Revelation 20 where the Beast, the Devil and the False Prophet are cast into the Lake of Fire it is after 1,000 years, does this apply to the Church Age?

Please get Erik Raymond who wrote Is Hell For Real ? And other questions about judgment, eternity and the God of Love .

I would love to hear a discussion on the the description in Revelations 20 about ever and ever or age and age in the Greek and how it is actually possibly referring to space not time. Where it could be translated that the smoke goes from Earth all the way up to heaven. The way the Greek word translated age to age is a difficult word study I would appreciate a discussion on this 🤔 50:39

Note to self: attempting to debate without first really engaging the topic and doing one's homework leads to what we see here.

This is my understanding of eternal life and death. Life and death is opposite just like light and darkness. You cannot say darkness is non-existent. Darkness is just the absence of light so it's still there whether you acknowledge it or not. Life is all the good things that is the presence of God such as love, strength, growth, light, water, air, etc. Hell is the grave and also a place where there is no presence of God, where there are unquenchable fires, and where there are worms that can't die. Death does not mean you die and become non-existent; because, after the body dies on Earth, the body goes back to being part of Earth, thus turning back into dust. The soul still exists and goes to the fiery Hell or Paradise. In Revelation, this death is called the first death. So if your soul still exists after the first death, I'm sure you're still existing after the second death, which is when every dead from the Sea and Hell will be judged and the wicked will be thrown into the Lake of Fire with Satan, the Beast, and the False Prophet. How wonderful it is for Satan to never get to be tormented if you believe everyone is annihilated in the Lake of Fire. Satan is put in jail for one thousand years and is released for a season because it's a chance for him to repent. But we know he still won't repent. The Lake of Fire is the punishment and consequence of Satan's choice. He will get tormented day and night forever and ever in the Lake of Fire because angels are eternal spiritual beings that can't die. Where in the Bible does it says angels can die? It makes more sense that they are tormented forever than getting annihilated, that's why Jesus Christ came to die on the cross for you. If we're just going to get annihilated, then we can just do whatever we want and don't have to worry about getting tormented. We will just be poof, gone, we don't have to worry about the consequence at all because there will be no more pain and suffering. If you say God is only loving and merciful, then you don't know God. God can do whatever he wants because he is holy, just, and powerful. God can destroy, kill, punish, and torment if he has to, that's why everyone should fear God. ‭‭Jude‬ ‭1:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬ [7] "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." Notice in the verse mentioned above, it did not say death, destruction, or annihilation because of God's eternal fire. It says "suffering" so it's not talking about how Sodom and Gomorrah are left desolate. It did not say as a result of his eternal fire so you can't argue, "Oh, his eternal fire has destroyed them so that means his eternal fire is annihilation because they and his eternal fire are not there anymore." That verse is using Sodom and Gomorrah's suffering as an example of how they suffer in his eternal fire.

So another late question for anyone that may be looking on here still. My question isn't based on any scripture rather the lost and their present attitude. Those who are in complete rebellion always say I will live like I want and indulge in whatever pleasure I choose and when my life is over I go back to dust. If in the end that is what happens and there is no eternal consequences where its darkness/separation from God of eternal fire, then what is there to avoid from their standpoint? I understand they are missing out on eternal joy/peace of life with God but if they cease to exist after they are judged then it seems anticlimactic in some ways.

I am very worried about where I will end up, I am really struggling with my physical and mental health, I have constant burning on my eyes and head and chronic tinnitus, I have had a lot of head injuries in my past when I left the military I got into very bad living and drug use so I have been very sinful in that respect, I’ve alway worked hard and tried to provide for my family but there’s a disconnect of my heart and after I had cerebral malaria my mental health has declined, I have very little memory I feel paper thin and I have intrusive thoughts which really upset me. I am always at the doctors and have tried lots of ways to heal and better myself. I am very worried about my future, all I want to do is heal and feel love in my heart but my illness won’t allow me. Please help me

How can they pay accoding to thier works of 70 or 80 years forever and in hades torments they suffer and then at the final day they are anihillated in the lake of fire ya dig

New Testament story of Lazarus being treated well because he suffered in this life. Then the other guy dead but aware wanting water and to tell his brothers about it.

The word "eternal" in Greek doesn't mean forever. It means for a period of time. For instance, if you keep touching a hot stove, you will burn your hand until you stop touching the hot stove. So, you will burn your hand eternally until you learn to stop touching the stove. Einstein said: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result." That is eternal.

Now it is time to invite Robin Parry... :)

The Roman church uses the Lazuras passage as a proof for purgatory. Some would argue that it is a refining fire.

The problem with conditionalism is justice. As Jesus clearly stated, some would receive "greater condemnation" than other unbelievers. No matter the judgement God imposes upon anyone what difference would it make if they were annihilated? If Hitler was simply annihilated there was no justice considering the severity of his evil actions.

39:07 - Luke 16 - Lazarus and Rich Man

Not sure if anyone will answer because this is from 2 years ago… but one of the main things not addressed in this discussion is the reality of two resurrections, and only those who take part in the first resurrection are blessed. There’s a second resurrection for those who did not believe in Jesus, who are considered “dead” and not in the book of Life…and they are cursed. They still receive a resurrected body… which means not a body of flesh like we have now, and then get cast into the lake of fire where the beast, dragon, and false prophet are. All this is in Revelation 20 where it specifically states the torment in the lake of fire is eternal. Torment- forever. We all receive new flesh… a new resurrected body. Some will receive everlasting life in that new body and others everlasting death. It would have been good if there were references specifically to the 2 resurrections, because that really changes things in this discussion. If a fire burns out when what is burning is consumed, then the fact that the fire is never quenched in “hell”means that there is always something present to burn. Just food for thought. I don’t think we understand the severity of our sin and rebellion against God. But just as there are different rewards for the blessed (various degrees of glory based on how we lived), so there are different levels of suffering in hell.

Can you tell me if you're Calvints? I'm a former Calvinist (no I'm not an Armenian now or Universalist or semi palagian etc.) I'm seeking non Calvinist teachers who are Biblically sound. Please let me know if you can, thank you.

I've been taught that since I was a child and I'm 65 now. I believe you would be able to find it. It's not just Satan, demons, the antichrist and false prophet but all that reject God

The interesting thing about an interpretation of eternal punishment being absolute ceasing to exist is that the being who does not exist can in no way experience the punishment. There is no possibility that a being that does not even exist at all having any experience of the punishment. So that means if you spend your life in sin and indulge in all manner of sinful pleasure, your punishment will be to not experience your punishment. This is good news to all who live in outright sin. Live it up because you'll never experience your punishment. Although you'll never experience it for eternity.

beginning to accept conditionalism until I had a very real nightmare. I died and went to heaven. I looked around for my beloved son and he was no where to be found. When I asked God where my son was. God said he no longer existed. The grief I felt was so extreme and in my bones that to this day I can still feel it. When I woke up I knew conditionalism was not something I could believe in. I do agree that the scripture supports it more than eternal torment. Either way, God looses and Satan wins with these two views.

"they have no rest day and night"

You've got to understand that hell and the Lake of Fire are two separate and distinct places. Hell is temporary, but the Lake of Fire is permanent. Then you can argue about the Lake of Fire - it is everlasting - not eternal - again there is a distinct difference between everlasting and eternal. Are those who are thrown into the Lake of Fire conscience? Anyone and anything thrown into a Lake of Fire is destroyed.

For 10 reasons why God won't burn people in hell forever check out this interview on the Hell Project's RU-vid channel @

death is not the end....but a separation, ergo.....the second death....

I think Micheal Heiser would only recognize the Book of Enoch as it was written during the intertestemental period. I believe most of the Apocrypha was written last after the 1st century and most of it can't be proven to have been round before or during the time of Jesus or the Epistles. If I'm remembering correctly from Dr. Heiser, the Book Enoch (and the writing of Ben Sirach, the Book of Sirach) were found in the Dead Sea scrolls. But I need to double check.

One thing to point out from Jordans initial introduction into Conditionalism, Jordan mentions that God has removed eternal life from man and put that gift in Christ. I'm not an expert but I would say that in Genesis, man was never eternal in and of themselves, man needed the Tree of Life and Yahweh sent Adam and Eve out from the Garden of Eden thereby separating them from eternal life. I believe this is where people would originally be able to point out that humans are not eternal without Yahweh, only Yahweh is eternal.

Part 2

This man right on the money. another thing the bible says death is wages for our sin and that is what JESUS did for us, he died in our place.if the wages for sin is forever torment than JESUS did not pay the price. and I am not belittling in noway the sacrafice JESUS made for us

II Thess. 2:8 and John 3:16 are different words in Greek, perish and destroy.

LITERALLY NO BEINGS WILL BE TORMENTED!

GEHENNA was 70 Ad Jeremiah 19:6 "the Valley of Slaughter"

I was only listening with my headphones, and I agree with Jordan on Conditionalism. But what I don't agree with is whoever made the claim that most of the people who came to the faith came through signs and wonders of spiritual gifts. It can certainly be said for those who came through Jesus' miracles and even Paul.. but that's because the Bible doesn't specifically address each person coming to the faith. It addresses the miracles and how people reacted to them. To me, it's no coincidence the further you get outside of the Book of Acts, healing and tongues seems to disappear. Especially tongues.. the Bible also defines tongues and it is absolutely nothing like what people do today (claiming it as speaking in tongues).. it was simply the ability to naturally speak, but it was heard in the native tongue of the listeners. It was NOT a gibberish language and no Scripture backs that idea. My biggest reason for doubting spiritual gifts by believers today is because there is literally zero evidence of ANYONE doing them. There's only evidence of con-men.

The problem with pretty much all the verses quoted in this, is that destroyed does not imply nor necessitate annihilation. Archeologists are constantly finding the shattered remains are vases that were destroyed thousands of years ago, and yet they still exist. So likewise, a person who is dashed to pieces in God's wrath, and consigned to the lake of fire, would rightly be considered destroyed, without necessitating that they cease to exist, or that they are somehow not consciously experiencing their own ongoing destruction. As for the topic of immortality. Immortality is not about duration, it is about incorruptibility. A person can exists forever and not be immortal, in fact that is traditional view held in Christianity, and was also the view held by many other near eastern religions and the Greeks etc. Immortality is the way in which we escape the eternal torments.

I hope hell is annihilation, but the Bible in Revelation says "Whosoever's name is not in the Book of Life will be cast into the Lake of Fire and the smoke of their torment rises FOREVER and they shall have NO REST DAY OR NIGHT. If the wicked are annihilated, then what does "No rest day or night" mean? Also, in the story of Lazarus and the rich man, notice the rich man dies and immediately finds himself in torment in flames. He asks for water to cool his pain, but is told a great gulf prevents that. He then asks someone to warn his brothers. He is in tormenting pain, and is able to have a rational conversation. How does that in any way sound like annihilation? Literally or metaphorically?

Doesn’t it say that death and he’ll are thrown into the lake of fire?

There's no time in Eternity.

The main punishment of Hell is the state of self-exclusion from God. The Bible makes it perfectly clear what Hell is.

John MacArthur has the right interpretation of Scripture just ask him.....just kidding!!!!

The main push back on this "conditionalist idea to hell is what it implies about the atonement of Jesus death. Hebrews 2:9. "But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone." If "death" or perishing is equated with ceasing to exist.. then it follows implicatedly that Jesus tasted a "ceasing to exist" for everyone on the cross. But he was raised on the third day (so it wasnt a ceasing) so he didn't really tasted death for everyone. If death is taken as physical death then why do Christians still physically died.

Aren't we being too rational, that we forget God's judgment is supernatural? The very fact that a worm is found in fire, yet does not die. Do we forget that everyone who has ever existed on earth is still living in eternal death or life in the spirit realm, except those physically living on earth, think about how long men and even Angels have existed. Jesus said emphatically said it would be forever Mark 9:43,44 Rev 20:10 how do you explain forever and ever , even the Greek says the same

Perhaps in Revelation when it talks about Satan, the false prophet and the beast it is like the Trinity only inverse. Satan wanted to be like God right? So perhaps his final punishment for that rebellion against God is He becomes "The Father" the false prophet would be the opposite of the Holy Spirit and the beast would be "The Son"

The biggest problem I have with Eternal Conscious Torment is that a loving God surely wouldn't create our souls so we could suffer forever even by rejecting him. Surely no sin is so grievious as merit eternity in agony, and surely God did not create man for such a fate. Though I admit that justice to God is not necessarily what man would see as justice so if that's his will (ECT) he has good reason for it, I just don't believe it. Ceasing to exist in both a physical and spiritual sense is a punishment when God promised eternal life with him to those that trusted in his promise. However my view is that you're not in the fires of divine punishment for all eternity but that you're cursed to live forever away from God's love if that's what you choose. I don't think God wants people who don't want him and those people get exactly what they deserve.

Matthew 25:46 uses the exact same word for eternity when stating how long the ones who are punished will endure the punishment and the righteous will enjoy life. Same context, same verse, same Greek word. As for punishment goes, it is the eternal separation from God that is the punishment. Conscious, eternal. Imagine having full and complete knowledge of who God is and what you were offered in your physical existence but you refused, then having eternal knowledge that you will be in separation from experiencing the presence of God. You would want to cease to exist but you can't. You would want to die but your soul is eternal. Eternal separation from the love of God and the enjoyment of Him with absolute full and complete knowledge that it was you that chose to reject His offer of eternity with Him would be more tormenting than anything I can imagine. And the torment is self inflicted. You chose not to accept Christ. You made the choice to reject Him. He us simply giving you the end result if your choice.

Watch the movie HELLBOUND.

have you guys heard the testimony or read the book 23 minutes in hell by bill weise ? pretty wild and the dude has bunch of scripture to back his experience. u guys should have him on

Definitely interesting.. gonna have to explore this more..but what is there to fear if death is final?.. I mean the one who destroys both body and soul would be mercy not fearsome to the wicked.. a lot of people today aren't worried about rejecting Christ because they believe that there is no eternity or hell..just wondering

What is the 'second death' in scripture? Is first death the death of the body and second death the death of the soul? Death itself is thrown into the lake of fire, the final end to all non-eternal beings and final punishment for eternal beings who oppose God. I think it was God's mercy that Adam and Eve were put out of Eden so there was no access to tree of life (eternal life) as then they would have been eternal, and unable to die spiritually and would have suffered the consequences of their sin eternally. God's mercy was that they died spiritually and are only reborn in Jesus and gave eternal life in Him.

What did Jesus say about hell people?

Matthew 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, ' Depart from me, you cursed, in to the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. And Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Matthew 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. It's very important for every one to read the bible to "Test the spirits" to seek out the truth on every matter the Bible dose not support the concept of temporary punishment. On the contrary it conforms that Hell is not only the second death but clearly teaches that it's eternal.

Is the word worm refuting to man??? Where the worm never dies. I am a worm.

What about some say the beast and false prophet are actually human

ive heard over a 100 near death experience/dream/vision videos on heaven and hell. obviously cant believe everyone. but one thing i noticed there are a TON of similarities within peoples stories. ive heard plenty of stories of hell being a literal eternal torment that God allowed them to see. i don't like the idea of hell but that doesnt mean i get to decide its not eternal torment. judgment is way bigger than me and my preferences

Just wondering what is the remnant radio on eternal punishment. Are you guys inihilationists or what? If you are its very 😥. Lord have mercy.