RetroTINK 2X-Pro a NEW video upscaler for 2020. But is it worth $130!? 

It's definitely an update that makes me consider getting this when I wasn't considering the original.

Agree with that 100%

You can literally buy an upscale on ebay for $8. This is way overpriced. You are paying for the name

@@ThePeacePlant I've had horrible luck with cheapo adapters, lol.

@@ThePeacePlant You cant buy a lagless linedoubler for $8 lol. Do your research

Somehow his facial expression unveils the man's identity...

You got it all wrong, he was actually reincarnated as a pixelated man!

You are correct

I just took my PS2 and Wii out of storage after getting a new 55 inch tv. I wanted to see how they looked on a big screen but had no idea I needed an upscaler to correct the resolution. I thought there was something wrong with my tv as all the games looked blurry. So after some searching around I come to find out modern tv's don't output resolutions that are designed for older systems. This video couldn't have come at a better time. I've been shopping around for an upscaler. I just don't know which one to get. I've seen a lot that don't work best. Any suggestions?

Killa Watt a lot of people prefer the OSSC, personally I’m happy with the framemeister. Keep in mind that devices like the retrotink, which I also have, and the OSSC are actually line multipliers which are something different. The framemeister is the only true upscaler of that bunch. Decide if you want a true upscaler or if you are happy with a line multipler and go from there.

@@pungisotu what's the difference between the two in terms of price? Because if OSSC is around the same price as the Framemeister wouldn't it be best just to get the Framemeister? I'm completely ignorant on this topic so I appreciate you taking the time to explain it.

​@Killa Watt I don't know the exact cost off the top, but OSSC is in the $200+ range and the Framemeister is over $300 easy, sometimes as high as $400. Bear in mind that while I personally prefer the Framemeister, a lot of people seem to think the OSSC is the better product. For me, I've found that the OSSC picture is much too bright for my liking and the line doubling caused some odd artifacts. Your tv may not have that issue. It also has had trouble with NES and SNES and those are my favorite systems, so there is that. My life in gaming has a good video about the OSSC if you want to get a good overview. Another thing I like about the Framemeister is PAL systems’ odd resolutions can be converted and upscaled. Most HDTVs won't display 576i or 288p. Most people don't care about that though.

@@pungisotu I'm beginning to think it maybe just better to find an old tube tv with AV and RF input.

Thanks! It was a ton of work capturing all this footage...but worth it in the end I think.

I like it rough

Great job trying to suck him off for a heart, you failed!

Very kind of you to say. Thanks :)

And they are pretty fun to capture the footage too! It's a lot of work, but I enjoy doing it.

Stop Buying China's Junk! Funny I was looking to buy that tv, was debating between it and a Samsung Q60R or Q70R, main issue being it lacks ports and how would i manage to solve the missing rca etc to play my wii or any future old devices I might buy, right now I have a switch and my brother has a ps4 and we have a wii and idk what tv is best in that situation, I want to eventually get all the retro things I can but since I don’t have them yet, to build such a collection, idk if it matters, things will change and update as time goes and maybe things will release remakes of old stuff, so I’m not sure at all what tv to get nor if I should bother setting up complicated cords adapters etc and such. What do you suggest? Should I risk the Qled tv or should I get the UHD tv because the ports are better to use my wii etc. ? I could use a computer to emulate too I guess so do I even need to worry about having a awesome screen then.... ?

@Stop Buying China's Junk! not sure if I am what you call a pixel snob? I only know my eyes have issues, both with light and motion so if a image is blurry it's harder to see it especially while moving. So better visually is better so I can see and play properly. So to soem extent color and shape crispness matters. If I can see it that's what I care about. My brain cant manage anythign moving too quickly it's a giant blur, and words can move in and out of focus so its similar to that frustrating effect. Even in the best quality graphics it happens when I play certain things. So idk. Is that a pixel thing then? I really wanted to get a really good TV so if I get a QLED and it doesnt support the ports and I jsut use adaptors is it worth it? Or is it better I get the ru7100? It's not as good as a QLED and it doesnt have free sync, which might be handy in the future for me. Since I want to play games from all times each isnt jsut retro but the current and new things both on my switch and a gaming pc I plan to hook to my tv in some strange fashion (so if an play games while laying in my bed and have a large tv screen across the room and still see it. I prefer my bed to a charge desk situation way more comfy and feet up)

@Stop Buying China's Junk! so if that's the case will hdmi to rca adapter quality matter? And how do I know the quality is good for anything? I dont want to waste moneyand time by doing trial and error methods.

This is a good day. Thanks! 😍

@@MetalJesusRocks keep up the good work

Super helpful to know about the 2X Pro-M! I have an N64, PS2, and XBox, so it seems to make the most sense to go for that one.

Everything that is not outputting 480p or above;)

@@marconius1341 Very true! But How many consoles output to 480p and don't already have an HD cable option? It's like 2, right?

@@GGRC I would say gamecube, ps2, og Xbox and Dreamcast. Basically the consoles that originally had component cable options except the Dreamcast.

@@marconius1341 actually no the ps2 did 480i with the option to output 480p when pressing triangle and Cross, on game start, but only some games

@@marconius1341 for them there is the mmmm mm multi format one 😀

Mine came today and that was the first thing I noticed, with smooth on through svideo n64 looked so much better. My N64 has sat since I bought it cause it looked so bad through composite. directly in to the tv.

nothing beats a 27" Trinitron with component

@@RideRedRacer good call

RideRedRacer that’s what I have currently for snes and genesis. Do you know if you can do component with n64 or just s-video

@@mikewalmsley5324 you would need to mod your 64 for that. I personally stick to S-video thru a CRT. On my 4ktv I use S-video going into this retrotink-pro and into an mClassic. It's a nice combination imo.

@@mikewalmsley5324 Honestly, RGB from N64 isn't enough of a difference above S-video on a CRT to recommend getting a mod for, in my humble opinion. But it's not a super expensive mod, unlike the ultra HDMI.

That's true

Well... No. The Hyperkin HDMI adaptor that I on my N64 uses the S-Video out (WHY didn't Nintendo include RGB out????), and it's a great improvement over standard RF and Composite..... and as it's around 8 feet away from me, I can't smell it either! ;-)

Pound hd link cables work fantastically for me.

Hyperkin, pound, level hike = shit

@@stevesstuff1450 $30 RGB board by Voultar and $62 HD Retrovision SNES component cables will give you component out on an N64..

Who's John? MJR is Jason as far as I know xD

@@overlordalfredo had a brain fart.lol.

I agree with what you’re saying here. The smooth mode on the retrotink is more of personal preference. Some people like the smoothed look on 2d games, some people stick with the raw pixels.

whats a good ossc to get ? i see so many on amazon are they any good ?

@@maxtwentynine5968 I bought mine from here: videogameperfection.com/products/open-source-scan-converter/ It's very good, no complaints here. I don't know about the cheaper options on Amazon.

Mainly what I wanna see ps2 game play using it

2 Time Garza same bro

If I didn't already have the original, I'd definitely get the pro.

How was your experience with this Adapter final thoughts? Hope you get too see this comment and see your review

Just be aware it doesnt support 480p before purchasing. You'll have to default to 480i passthrough or 480i bob deinterlaced to 480p. For the ps2 this isnt that big of an issue cause most games arent 480p but for the wii this may bother you.

@@ians_parks I've read a few comments and found this isn't probably the best upscaler to buy. Any suggestions?

@@-KillaWatt- The retrotink2x is a great device just be aware of what it does and doesnt support. Its best used with older 240p systems. For systems like the wii, xbox etc you may look for alternative means to get a better image.

Doesn't support progressive scan on Wii though

@@falseicon just reg wii component wires makes a huge difference the av is soooooo blurry

I have the first version and I find it almost useless for anything that outputs anything higher than 240p. One of the major drawbacks for me is this doesn't have 480p (or higher) passthrough, so it can't handle the higher resolutions if you wanted to connect a component out system to a TV that doesn't have component inputs.

@@retr0type works great with 480i too

When it comes to anything higher than 480i/p I use an OSSC since it can support more options like 720p on the Xbox and 480p on PS2 and I have the classic retrotink and it doesn't support 480p but it supports 480i

@@Anthonyelmio2 How do you use the OSSC when changing inputs? Do you have to program it yourself or are there simple buttons or don't need to press or program anything?

@@retr0type Thank you for the info. saved me 130$ , I collect ps1 and ps2 and dreamcast, thats why i asked.

Yep! I misspoke. Doh!

MetalJesusRocks Ya can’t fool me when it comes to Burnout, mang.

There's a lot to that- the bigger screens of today exposes the relatively low resolution, and crt did a much better job with refresh/lag/motion blur etc

It's the signal. Classic game consoles, especially early 3d consoles, just aren't designed for modern TVs. Their signals dont interact with modern TVs designs correctly since they were designed to look as great as possible on a CRT, the only tv around at the time. It sucks. I'm tired of it blurring and pixelating my n64 games that when I have hooked up to my CRT, look as smooth as butter,

That's because you seen it on a crt

It actually might make sense for the OSSC Pro since it will have hdmi input. I assume you will be able to take the HDMI signal directly from the retrotink without having to use an hdmi->vga adapter. It would be interesting to see some side-by-side comparisons between the Koryuu and Retrotink at that point.

So this won't do anything for a Wii that is already outputting 480i/480p?

You gotta factor in the price of getting RGB cables for all your consoles AND the OSSC wont work with a stock N64 which is a dealbreaker for me.

Alex Woywood you need cables for the tink as well plus if you have an old model N64 there is a simple rgb mod available

Cables that most people already have and are much cheaper. (For the tink)

Alex Woywood if you are buying hd retrovision cables they are actually more expensive then scart cables and this thing doesn’t support Scart the ossc supports component so you can use your component cables on the ossc too

Most people already have composite cables and those don't work on the OSSC. So you don't have to buy any cables at all for the tink.

how dare him

DOH! Yep... I misspoke LOL

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@@franco7064 thanks dad

@@JetSetTyler no prob... Son... But remember.. I love you

The price isn't in the thumbnail,... It's in the title.

@@franco7064 Title got it thanks sir👍

@@amdcolon1 No prob.

The N64 had a LOT of really fun arcade racing games

If nothing else, it definitely improves the weird near-unreadable font Nintendo chose for some of the N64 Mario games.

👏👏👏

Thanks for letting us know. How do I buy one directly from him or one of his verified retailers?

Cringe😅😂

This is by design... one of 2 lines is black so it is half as bright.

DOH! Yep. Mispoke LOL

U can't always remember everything) It's just sad that they STILL didn't make B3 backward compatible..

The retrotink2x wont add input lag or fuck up the color and brightness of your image like every hyperkin/pound/level hike cable out there.

Yeah I was interested in this but no 480p is a deal breaker.

@@Bababaaaa Yeah considering its a "pro". Im not trying to knock it too much because its great for pre Xbox Original consoles. But it would be nice if it could handle the higher resolutions that the orginal Xbox supports. That would be "pro". But again, its great at what it does

IIRC, Mike Chi mentioned its a limitation of the chip they're using in the 2x line. Mike has said on his website they're working on a separate product for 480p devices for release later in the year.

No 480p INPUT. If you’re device is already outputting 480p, then you probably don’t need this device, I feel anyways. I am absolutely lucky and blessed in that I have a GameCube component cable adapter (official, from ages ago, and yes I know how much they are now) and on regular HDTVs it’s damn near perfect, it’s basically as close to HDMI level quality video in terms of clarity and it being a pure digital signal you are going to get with analog cables. It’s amazing. That being said, not having 480p IN, is not a deal breaker as the main appeal of this for ME, and many others is being able to hook up sub 480 devices and output to HDMI that never had anything close to 480 to begin with.

It's meant for devices that output either 240p (which a lot of modern TVs won't recognize even if they have the component ports for it) or 480i (which would look awful without a good deinterlacer like this). Using a 480p upscaler for an already 480p signal would be pointless, and as mentioned in the video, there are inexpensive devices to convert to HDMI if that's all that's needed.

The hole point of the product is to turn retro systems to 480.. why would they make it so it can take 480?

@@noahhowellstone1264 Consoles that output 480p such as the wii and ps2 that don't have hdmi would be my guess.

I think it is designed for consoles like snes en Sega megadrive in combination with component cables instead of rgb-scart.

Huge deal? Considering the thing is one of the few all in one options that is both affordable and doesn't require any futzing around to get working I'd hardly say it's a deal breaker. This still works on like 20+ years of retro consoles.

@@devilmikey00 but would you buy it if you already have an ossc or framemeister with rgb cables.

Not for people who have composite/svideo only consoles and do not want to mod or have the money to mod them. OSSC is pretty great, but it's never been the target for the non-enthusiast crowd. At least the OSSC Pro will have an svideo/composite adapter for those who need it. Then it will be an all-in-on solution for just about everyone.

@@amerikaOnFire The OSSC Pro will be the be all end all of the upscaler and converter world, and it will do so at an acceptable price. This thing here doesn't even do RGB and it costs even more than the OSSC.

@@olacola15 I am aware of what the OSSC is and what the OSSC Pro is supposed to do. I also own an RetroTink 2x (non-pro) so I know it quite well too. The price for the OSSC Pro is unknown but it will be higher than the OSSC by a solid amount. You will also have to add on the cost of the addon for composite/svideo support. There is also the fact that the product is vaporware right now and is only announced but no firm release date for hardware and the whole project isn't even open sourced yet for anybody in the DIY community. And the only OSSC's that are cheaper than the retrotink 2x is the AliExpress ones that may or may not have quality issues and can be a big gamble. And that doesn't even matter because the current OSSC doesn't even support composite/svideo which is what the retrotink is primarily created to support (and it also supports component). ALSO it does support RGB systems just fine if you get an RGB to component converter. I use one from ShinyBow and MikeChi also has converters he sells both ways: Component to RGB and RGB to Component.

I appreciate the information I bought the pound cable and the rad 2x for PlayStation 2 and the picture is almost identical. Immediately sent the rad2x back. Wish I had done the same with the pound cable but I'm now going to look into this ossc as you speak of...

Still no 480p signal, it seems...

The chip used for the retrotink2x line of devices doesnt support 480p sadly. If you need 480p support consider getting an ossc

People are missing the point of this. Modern TVs already support 480p This product isn't really an upscaler, it's a line doubler. It's not trying to make the signal look better, it's just making it so it works on a modern TV but also have zero lag while doing so, unlike upscalers that unavoidably introduce lag. Like this is not gonna make your NES look pixel perfect, it just sends the basic signal to the TV except the TV can now actually display it, but it's gonna still be the basic old signal that everybody used to use. But you won't get lag. So you can avoid having to buy a CRT, and you can use your huge modern TV instead of having to have two TVs in the same room next to each other and constantly have to move your seat back and forward depending on what game you wanna play

Framister or OSSC will have you covered.

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