Haters gonna hate...However, just in case you might be right, it's why I use a manual tran so "I don't need no stinking starter." Maybe...I dunno...I don't wanna talk about it.
On my Chevy I have a 2" square tube on my winch with a receiver & plug in on the front & back of the truck, it also allows me use the winch on the trailer plus store it out of the weather when not in use.
although i have already known about this technique, it is great that you're showing the proper way to inform anyone else who thinks that just throwing the winch cable under their vehicle to pull pull from a rear tree doesn't actually work, that they've still got some hope. just need minimum of 3 snatch blocks. trolls here just so you know, a 2 line pull doubles the pulling power of the winch, but also slows it down in half. that's why he only moved 0.5-1m. but when you have no option, 1m works.
I really do like Nissan and Toyota 4by's - just being sarky / funny :) I have owned nearly 30 different 4x4's and Love wheeling here in OZ! cheers Hunty ps I made this vid due to a bet I made with a mate who said "You can't reverse winch - its the same as trying to pick yourself up off the ground by pulling on your own shoe laces" LOL apparently he was wrong :)
I know you did it, and I watched you do it - but I have a headache trying to figure out *how* it works.. You're, essentially, pulling the car at both ends.
@@terdsie it works like a cloths line on a loop. The Jeep is the connecting piece of two ends of the line. the winch is the power to move the line. I was thinking he was just going to go under the Jeep and connect to a tree down low.
Thanks mate. Well explained and I really do like it when Safety gets a decent mention. I've so many dangerous recoveries on RU-vid that I wonder how long before something bad happens to these people. So job well done.
Thanks Hunty. I'm a newb, and looking to get a winch as soon as I can, and I also tend to trek out on my own. I play it safe, but I have gotten myself into some hairy situations. Where I'm from, mud is king, and some of the puddles can go on for quite a bit, so the concept of winching back away from an ever deepening puddle is perfect for my situation. Thanks for the clear instruction.
Thanks mate. I really learned a lot about pulley principle. People making comments on your video missed the point. It has nothing to do with the kind of vehicle getting stuck. It is about thinking outside the box, and finding a clever way to get out of trouble.
Thanks for the info. Very interesting. To get it right in my head I had to draw it out on a piece of paper and study it a minute. It didn't seem possible until I did. Only problem is I couldn't afford all the snatch blocks.
Wow that is so clever. I've been trying to figure out how to winch backwards and I didn't think it could work like that. but after seeing it being done, it really is so simple. great video, the only bad thing is that i don't want to go buy 3 snatch blocks but I guess I will have to.
Very well done video. You have a good demeanor for a presentation and also a little humor. The only thing I would have loved to have seen is a full overview of the rigging methods instead of just each point as you did it. It would have put things in better perspective for me. Thanks for taking the time to present this material.
They all get stuck, but those that don't watch videos like this, that are shared to provide some basic instruction, and act like experts, well hospital emergency rooms will be seeing you. Good video, and excellent camera/sound work. Enjoyed
A little hint to help you out I noticed that when you turn the shackles pin down. that you tightened it finger tight and with this action it can seize up on you and you will have to use a tool to unloosen it up a bit as an old sailor for 38 years at sea I learned a long time ago when you tighten up a shackle pin down back it off 1/4 of a turn and it will not seize up on you .
I agree. As an iron worker. First day on my job I made a mistake by over tighten it. And it was a pita to remove. So barley snug it and it's good to go
Horrible advice. Rigging is tested to determine WLL with screw pin tight against the shackle body. Never never back it off a 1/4 turn, I have fired people for it on the spot.
Matej Hosner I did cell phone tower maintenance for 2 years, up to and including 1700 ft.....I can assure you, no one unscrews the pin from a shackle before hooking a lifeline into it. You can do whatever you want, but I will continue to use every shackle as the manufacture states it should be used. Simple as that
Video was done well and I enjoyed the humor. Problem here is that, most people will not carry that much gear. Many people will have a couple d-rings (USA) or bow shackle(Britain), a snatch strap, a tow strap and one if any snatch blocks. Stay safe on the trails mate.
I mount my winches in my beds since up front is not at all for utility and just to get them out of the way. In either case snatch blocks are wonderful and one can never have too many.
Thanks. That makes sense. Moving pulley at the load (the vehicle) gives 2 to 1 ratio advantage. The other stationary pulleys only use to re-direct the pulling force which is coming from the winch of the car.
a very good demonstration. This is one 'hitch' in the demonstration. Here, in the pacific northwest (Washington State) There is a lot of rain fall, so the trees only produce and root bundle and not a tap root. The result is, it is easy to pull the tree over, especially if the connection to the tree is a foot or more off the ground
Most people install their tow-bar receivers with the hole facing horizontally as in this video. If a shackle is installed, it hangs down and looks neat. However It is better to install it with the hole vertical. There is far more likelihood of sideways force on the recovery point than vertical so doing this allows the shackle to move sideways without putting bending force on the pin.
Its easyer to just run rope in middle underneath ( center) to tree pulley to rear jeep pulley an back to tree,, only need two blocks Try it some day Thanks for video
I had been mulling this idea over in my head for a while and I thought that if I tried it I'd just be putting an equal force on both ends of the vehicle, therefore trying to pull my truck in half. I see now how you did it. Interesting. Might be worth a shot someday if I'm in a screwed situation, in my toyota ;)
As much as this looks like a good idea, I'll stick with what I have. I welded a reese receiver in the front of my truck and mounted my winch to a reese hitch. So I can pull the winch and put it on either the front or back of the vehicle, depending on where I need it.
I know this is one year old, but I suggest you keep it on the back as a default. Yesterday I skidded off the road and into a snow bank on the side of the road which saved me from falling into the forest below, however at that point the front bumper was completely buried in snow and hanging off the edge. Therefore even if I did have a winch it would have been completely useless! If it were on the back however that would be a totally different story; thankfully a Toyota came along and we got my Suzuki Jimny pulled out! Considering a winch now, and your system sounds neat!
Well presented very informative vid thanks Hunty, other than the whole snatch strap as a tree trunk protector (hell I would use it if I didn't have a third tree trunk protector, better than walking out) please don't step over a "live" connected winch line. Great vid keep up the good work.
If you attach a beam to the front bumper that extends about a foot or so beyond the width of the Jeep (to keep cable away from the vehicle's frame) & then put a block on its end then you can run the cable to the second anchor point of your example. You save the extra rigging & the time to set it up.
This is a cool physics lesson and a neat trick, but it's only practical in an extremely specific circumstance where everything falls perfectly into place. You have to have (1) enough trees in just the right places; (2) a ton of equipment that I doubt most people typically carry with them; (3) a really long winch line. And even if you have all that, you'll still only be able to winch yourself backwards a few feet. I do think it's really creative and intriguing, but personally I certainly wouldn't go off-roading thinking that this will work in any and all circumstances. Better to install a rear winch as well as a front winch.
If you are seriously into 4 wheeling in out of the way locations, you will quickly learn to carry gear and quite a bit of it. Sometimes a few feet of movement is the difference between driving out and having ti walk out and them go back and get the rig. Suit yourself, but for me and others I know hours of walking gets old fast!
Coy; Agree...I carry lots of spare gear because I'm usually by myself and 120kms back into my camp....I also carry a come along.....I've had winches crap out on me...spare winch cable/rope.....are a must. And a self recovery system. Bradford is just butt hurt because he didn't think of it....he also thinks you need trees, he obviously has never been off road where there are no trees....
Jedidiah walking is no fun, even less fun when you have to walk back carrying gear you should have loaded up before you left. I figure Bradford has never ventured on the well beaten path where anchor points and others are always near by.
With so much tensions 9000 lbs up front 18000lbs in back, yes it works, but if you are really stuck, I’m wondering if it will actually get you backwards and pull you out.
May I ask Please, what do you think of your 2 door wrangler??? I am SERIOUSLY thinking about buying one. What are the few things you DO NOT LIKE about it Please? Thank You and regards.
This video is correct. The only part that made me cringe was when he held the snatch block in his hand while activating the winch to get the cable on the roller. He knew what he was doing (holding his hand completely flat), but please be very very careful if you touch any of your winching equipment during even the slightest operation. Hunty, great video, and Thank You.
3DHunty Although your explanation is simpler on why this works, it is not as accurate as it really should be in my opinion. The reason this works is because the pulley (snatch block) on the rear is a movable pulley, but you are correct on the force of the vehicle resisting the pull being distributed amongst the 2 points.
why is everybody so offended at his comment that jeeps are better than nissan or toyota? i drive a tacoma and i don't really care if he thinks jeeps are better because i know they are not better than my yota theres no point in arguing about it… jeeps still aren't bad though so don't think I'm bashing them
The Old Ford Bronco's of the 60's- 70's Era were the Best 4x4's Ever Made, Mine was Posi-Trac., front and rear and these vehicles would turn around like no vehicle ever Produced.
Mixflip, I agree with you. This makes no sense to me. When the winch is pulling the cable like this, it is basically pulling the "circle" of rope smaller and smaller. There is just as much tension on the front of the Jeep as there is in the rear, and something has to give to let the cable pull into the winch. That tells me that you are really pulling it slightly backwards and sideways toward the side with the snatch blocks and the trees. As an experiment to prove the point, put the Jeep exactly dead center between two trees. Run your line out to the tree in front of you and then around the snatch block and then run that same cable UNDER the Jeep and straight back to the tree behind you. Then attach a snatch block on that tree and run it to the rear of your Jeep and snatch block it at the rear hitch and run the cable back to the same tree in the rear that you already tied to earlier. At that point the lines are running parallel to each other and not touching, but the force exerted from the winch is going to pull from the front tree to the rear tree and to the rear of the Jeep and then back to the rear tree again. At that point, when the cable is tight, there is no "give" left in the system. If you continue to run the winch, the pressure on the rear will multiply to twice the pressure on the front and either of several things will happen: You will break a snatch block or a cable or a "D" ring or tear the winch out of the front mount or overload the winch and it will stop pulling altogether. The use of snatch blocks in this set-up is a great way to pull a Jeep sideways to get it out of a rut, but it is not designed for a straight up rear pull. You are basically making the winch pull against itself and putting your Jeep and your gear and some trees in harm's way, if not burning out a winch.
@@Cujo71321 Picture a V.******** as the cable top left of V - fixed point...no pulley bottom of V - load w/pulley... not a fixed point. top right of V - fixed point... w/pulley... cable ******* to any pulling force, front of jeep, bottom of crane, the other side of the world, whatever. The pulling force "Winch" is going to Lift the load up between the two fixed points. You've probably used machines at the gym that work the same way. Now once the bottom is lifted between the two fixed points, then, yes, something is going to stop or break. But, not before because its free to move up to that point and the pulling force can handle the load. The reason you don't run the cable under the vehicle is, "You are stuck in three feet of Mud". Hope this helps. I struggled with it years ago until I saw the same principle used in a cable cross-over machine at the gym.
@@Cujo71321 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zBphM-ujnFU.html you'll see the V in the diagram section with a better explanation about "Slack"
i got a xj jeep no ones ever had to pull me out, im amazed were mine has gone, i dont mind any of the brands, think its wrong to bash the other brands myself. so unless you used one yourself dont be rude. more the point the drivers more at fault than the 4x4 in most cases. im going to get a winch for the day i will get stuck most times im the lone 4x4 out bush. ive gone up very steep creek banks with trailer load of wood in 2 wheel drive were my fathers 60 series struggled empty. but in other ways the 60 series is better than my jeep and other way around. horses for courses, so saying ones crap other isnt is bullshit if you ask me
i have done this trick before on a bet. You did a good job other than stating the pulling force was doubled. The Physics does not bear that out to be true... still a handy tool for the tool box.
Wrong David. Looking at cable travel versus vehicle travel is clever, but does not tell you the resulting force on the vehicle. You have to use the angles to the various trees and multiply the tension in the cable (shared everywhere) multiplied by the sine of the angle. Then make sure you total every cable run. This only works because you have two lines pulling rearward and one line pulling forward. After you work out the angles, you 'll see you also have forces trying to pull the jeep sideways. With the friction of the D-rings, the tension in the cable is dropping at every turn, so by the time you get to the two in the back, they're a lower tension than the one pulling in the front.
All the pulleys up to the one on the rear receiver do nothing other than change direction and add no mechanical advantage. He is correct in saying that the system provides 2:1 advantage on the rear of the jeep. If the winch is rated at 7,000 lbs, he is pulling the back with 14,000 lbs.
Good demonstration, but you should not use a snatch strap as an anchor point like you did with the second snatch block. A snatch strap will stretch and potentially break, turning the snatch block into a projectile. Only use straps that do not stretch (e.g. tree savers, winch extension straps, etc.) for anchor points.
I take your Point :) but I don't totally agree, the amount of stretch in the short amount I had free would be less than the stretch you would expect from using piano wire (LoL) winch cable, I use dyneema :) cheers Hunty
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