Reviewing The Infamous DnD Broadcast That Ended In Harassment 

This could have been addressed within their group, but there is something about livestreaming that makes people forget that human interaction is messy. Sometimes you are just witnessing an uncomfortable moment, not some big social issue.

Honestly, the self-cancellation is the cringe!

Imagine trying this hard to recancel someone and also implying they may be a rapist.

She literally approaches the npc who had just walked away and said "I'm open to new experiences." but you're right guys she was really trying to disengage

Not just any DM. The official DM of Roll20, a DM of several official WoTC D&D campaigns, and a game designer for a very successful role-playing game (Dungeon World). He was cancelled hard. He lost literally all of his jobs over this one little mistake

Just because the workplace is online doesn't mean you can ignore sexual harassment. These people are actresses and actors in the online space. In the same way that Ben Shapiro wont attack Joe Rogan, so too did this gal ignore Adam.

Dayum August working till 3 am to drop content? Money well spent Steven.

Watching that clip I haven't felt this level of cringe in a long time

19:40 I don't think Destiny experiences "social pressure" the same way normal people do. he's like "why not just break character and potentially be seen as the one causing a ruckus, just to assert a boundary you may not even realize people will side with you over?" it's like,... because normal people will often let their boundaries be bent, in order to NOT cause a ruckus. that's normal. doesn't mean the person isnt actually bothered. maybe destiny would just break the broadcast and call out the DM, but most normal humans have a desire to get along and not be the "problem". but yes we should work on ensuring people are more confident in asserting their boundaries, even if they "might be seen as the bad guy".

I thought, first time seeing, it was going to be a setup for the character to receive some sort of update regarding feelings or something. Like, they receive an overload of emotion and then some shit happens. But I didnt see the section before that...

I swallowed vomit 3 times watching this.

Destiny says she lacks agency here, but you have to remember that you're focus is on your character and not yourself while roleplaying. So even tho she seemed to display being uncomfortable she didn't act on it, cause her focus was on how her character felt and she didn't consciously recognize her discomfort. I think it would have been necessary of the dm to clarify before how far intimate or sexual roleplay is ok and in that scene maybe make a little break. But from my experience it's hard to notice something like her discomfort while you're busy running the game. I think both could have done better. The dm a better job in clarifying stuff before and be more attentive in such a scene, while she could have payed more attention to herself and recognizing her discomfort respectively not putting up with something like that and saying that aloud. As I see it this was by no means intentional by the dm, just an idea of him going too far

Wtf did I just watch? I learn something new about our reality every day lmfao

It’s midnight...I’ve watched this live... Right to MY FEED!

Lmao WHAT DID I LISTEN TO WHAT

I agree with you but... stop banning people that disagree with you.

🤖🔌 ✋⛔️ 🚨😬

He inhaled a little bit of helium there at the end

Was it a USB 2.0 device or 3.0?

when you are too lazy to creep on people irl

Dude what the fuck was that clip? It's sooooo uncomfortable.

This is what happens when Adults stop being adults.

I wanted to see the clip until I saw it, just so much cringe manifesting on screen

Internet Journalism: the real role playing game

I literally couldn't watch the clip. I agree that he should be cancelled, but for cringe

So, how is not the other players dying of second hand cringe? And how is Destiny chat not mortally wounded by third degree cringe? And why am I in mortal coil from fourth wall breaking cringe as I have to endure this from the safety of my living room. Coiled up into a ball, whimpering in disbelief. O-M-F-G!

After watching the clip Im going to take the minority position and say that this level of cringe should be punishable by canceling

“He deserves to be banned for being a shit DM” lmao Twitch chat always makes me laugh

fedoras are awesome

I lost it at “This is scuffed Wandavision”

Shadow run is so fucken underated

Not DnD, false advertising.

There are so many social aspects to this that all are made worse from the live format they are doing. Adam has done many campaigns, and I don't really like his DMing style, but I don't think what he did has ill-intent. He is, however, doing this in front of a live audience, which means that he needs to consider the viewers just as much as the players. If this game was done in private, I don't think she would mind as much, but she can feel retro-active discomfort after the game. Adam did make it clear where the scene was going, but he relied too much on her interrupting him to withdraw consent rather than explain to the player what is going on and ask if they want to do anything about it. This happened 11 months ago, so all we can do is make this a learning point for other DMs that this kind of thing needs to be discussed with players and told to the audience as well, even if it breaks up the flow of the scene.

Dnd that’s destiny and Dan

He was definitely out of line, typically you don't ever impose a sexual encounter on someone without either talking to them out of character or giving them a choice first. I definitely wouldn't classify it as rape, but the reason why you don't do this is to avoid these awkward situations. Imo I don't see how you could possibly make that not an awkward situation. The only thing I can think of is bringing it up with heavy pretext as to what is about to happen and giving them the choice to do so or not. But again, that's giving them the choice and they can decline even if it takes a little bit of metagaming to do so. All that being said I want to reiterate, this shouldn't be the equivalent to rape. A social line was crossed, but the solution to this is easy. Just leave the group. Or talk to the dm and express how that made you uncomfortable, and if they don't respect that then again leave. I just can't see how an imaginary encounter could traumatize someone. If they've already had a traumatic experience and this just triggered that experience, then I can understand that but that's a whole different story. Also on the point Destiny made "why would you ever imply that you're uncomfortable instead of just coming out and saying it", in this case I can see why she would rather imply it rather than the latter. They're doing a podcast, I'm not sure if its live or not but even if it were just recorded, she doesn't want to make a scene in front of their audience. I'm not sure what they do or don't make revenue off of so I guess I'm just assuming this is their job. But even if she specifically isn't making money doing this, ultimately the best outcome for her is to not make a scene and for the uncomfortable situation to go away. I'll agree she could have backed off farther, but I don't think that makes her anywhere close to at fault as the person making the awkward situation.

Im pretty sure he just thought that the idea of usb-port sex was funny. Pretty cringe but in no way whatsoever is it sexual assault.

5:50 “Well I’m just role-playing, my character is calling your character a ki- you know, that thing” 😎

17:20 Mike from PA Energy when he breaks character for that brief moment.

I don’t know why destiny is acting like a normal campaign would include a rape scene. Rape and SA just aren’t common or necessary in tabletop rpg. The “special” campaign isn’t the one that doesn’t include/avoids rape scenes. That’s just a normal campaign.

9:40 it hurts my soul to view this cringe.

I think Destiny is missing the thread a bit. Yes, it is not rape or anything close to the level of rape. No one in his chat is putting these two things on the same level. But often in uncomfortable situations, especially with a whole group involved including a chat watching, someone could feel a lot of pressure to go along with the uncomfortable situation even if they don't want to. Again, this is NOT sexual assault, and it probably doesn't deserve a massive manifesto on the part of the girl. But can we acknowledge that it is not so easy to speak up against something uncomfortable when surrounded by the rest of the people going along with it. P.S. CRIIIINGE

im not sure how strong the argument "she had ample time to say she was uncomfortable" is super valid. that same thing can be said for women being harassed in other environments that put up with the harassment so they dont cause a scene or potentially be seen as the bad guy or whatever other reason that wed support a woman being harassed at work or a bar. if i was made to uncomfortable on a stream with viewers and colleagues watching and listening id probably follow along too and write it off just to keep drama down. idk just my thought on it.

Has Adam considered the “in a role-playing game” defence?

Yikes. This is stupid/10 drama. Play enough multiple-hours sessions where you make more and more absurd jokes and scenarios, some won’t land. Just cut the NPC’s head off and move on. I don’t think I can feel empathetic about this issue

This DM is creepy as hell. Jesus, what is wrong with people?

So like... I'm halfway through and I'm cringing so hard I can't handle it. I don't know about like... Sexual harassment, but, can we set up a guillotine for criminal levels of cringe?

I don't think she did a great job of trying to dissuade him from going down this route, and yes she could've been more obvious but I think she's clearly uncomfortable and and just trying to be polite. There's a difference between stopping a home game and going I'm uncomfortable and stopping something that's live on twitch that could "ruin" the stream. It felt very clear to me that the DM was really pushing for this outcome. Should he be cancelled? I dunno but it was a bad idea and I don't put any blame on the girl.

i had to skip it was too much cringe jesus christ. but people aren’t so confrontational so i do think your criticism of her is a lil too much, just my opinion. i do think calling him a sexual harasser is also too much but i do understand her being uncomfortable

I couldn't imagine the level of privilege necessary to consider this sexual assault

Shadowrun is amazing

They all stayed to watch the car accident unfold.

It was pretty clear that the character was open to the idea of building some kind of romance. The uncomfortable part was just the surprise forced orgasm.

Never thought I’d see famous and dnd in once sentence.

I think the biggest problem is how people are constantly saying not to infantilize women but whenever there is something that requires the smallest amount of personal agency suddenly a woman isnt capable of that. Isnt that just infantilizing woman with extra steps?

This was so overblown, no one was really hurt or assaulted they were all adults, and "Professional gamers" an android character who wanted to experience new feelings (Backstory) had a creepy N.P.C guy insert a thumb drive into the back of their neck and had plenty of time in and out of the game to say "No I'm not happy" but nope no one said anything. Adam and the players should have discussed its next session and it would have made for an interesting talk or she could have just had her character who was a male android shoot the creepy N.P.C in the face, instead of everyone making a huge thing out of it and throwing the G.M under the bus.

(First time hearing about this) She didn't completely call it out, but it was clear that she was uncomfortable. I just don't like the fact that you scoff at the idea that she didn't say anything because she didn't want to end the campaign, because that's a legitimate reason to not especially say something at that moment. Especially if this a live stream and would make the situation even more cringe. If he went further with it, then she should've said something, but at that point she figured that hopefully the guy could take the hint and drop it, without making a big deal over it. The guy is super oblivious to reading people or feeling out the room, but that's no reason to cancel a guy. I think as long as he apologized to her specifically and of course steer clear of any sexual scenarios in the future just in case, he shouldn't be banned or anything. I guess I can see the case that it's sexual harassment, but there's no way in hell that's sexual assault and I think him taking year off (that's what you guys said) and his apology was more than good enough.

Given Destiny's principle on making sure a woman feels comfortable ie. giving them an alternative by asking if she wants to come over or they have something to do tomorrow, I would have thought that he would understand that it can be hard to express boundaries.

"It's never been accessed while you were conscious"

I cannot think of a group of people more unprepared for the real world than somebody getting upset at a role-playing tabletop game who needs therapy after an (admittedly cringe) game. You know, I saw this documentary once with some ISIS 'brides' who are raped repeatedly, forcibly married, tortured, starved etc. One of them had a baby as a result of this unimaginable abuse. Her abuser demanded she keep the baby quiet, and as it was a baby, and hungry, and living in the worst imaginable conditions in the world, she sadly couldn't stop it crying. So the ISIS soldier took the baby and cut it's head off. This happened, in real life, in the 21st Century. Just something to think about.

"Wait, hold on, is this person CIS gendered? I want to know if I can call them mentally ill." incredible (can't believe the edit is necessary, but this is a judgement of positive value for the quality of the humor)

Why am I up at 2:40 watching this?

The saddest thing that Adams experience shows is that if you live by the woke scold you die by the woke scold. He always seemed better than the rabid woke scolds of twitter but he kind of ran with that crowd. He did push for equality and do his best to help people but you know one mistake. One drop of blood in the water, that he begged for forgiveness for, that he said what he did was wrong and was a mistake, that he ended his own career in penance when the other half of his audience had already forgiven him. He did it all for them and they won't even hear his apology because they need blood.

get this guy to dm tombs of scoria and I'll actually watch that shit.

this is the no.1 most important thing in the world and twitter is right to spend it's time focusing on this over other things such as for example, the incoming climate disaster or the pandemic ravaging the world

My team got raped in Apex Legends yesterday by some smurfs. It's okay though fam, we reported them to the police and tweeted about it as well.

her: "I am open to new experiences.." smooth brain chatter: "SEE, she was trying to disengage!"

This clip makes me feel more confident about my cringe Tinder pickup lines

destiny blaming women arc

The irony is that a GM is supposed to be able to read the room, and the fact that this person went on with this despite the obvious discomfort from the ENTIRE cast, makes me think this is something he would have pushed ahead of time regardless, and had MUCH pre-meditation put into it.

21:30 "if you can't say no in this situation" - um... live in front of a lot of people... I don't think that would be a super easy environment to say no to. wouldn't want to disrupt the game or be perceived as too sensitive. Also the vibe before from the mechanic was naive awkward romantic which the "Johnny" engaged with. The scene felt similar to lots of teenager romance movies, where the thing they explore is more like a first time kiss or such - Out of character I didn't see escalation coming... e.g. from "let's do something" to "your pleasure centres get hacked" -- the "I guess that happened" kind of summed up that she didn't anticipate that either. So in conclusion: definitively cringy. Understand why she dropped out, though I don't think he should be "cancelled" over this, though as DM in front of an audience he has more responsibility than if this was just some home game.

I still can't believe this situation killed the entire RollPlay brand

This is disgusting. I wouldn't call it sexual assault but... it's very inappropriate, uncomfortable, disgusting, and should totally be called out.

8:49 thank you for this vital clip

Ngl, if I'd known that I'd start this morning with a clip cringey enough for that, "FeDoRaS aRe AwEsOmE!11!!" outro to be a goddamn palate cleanser... I'd have just saved myself the effort of waking up by eating a slug last night.

this is cringe this is CRINGE, PLEASE editor forgive me, I’m TRYING to finish the video but I have to keep PAUSING because I am having a VISERAL CRINGE REACTION

Destiny is right. If you can't speak up in this situation when you're not even in the same room with someone then you're absolutely incapable. And why did you not set your boundaries before hand then? I was under the impression that anything is on the table in the games unless otherwise discussed. Within reason of course and not as to blatantly make someone uncomfortable. This cannot be held to the same standard as actual cases of assault. Like wtf. Imagine fucking crying you were assaulted without actually being touched, stfu

I under stand what you’re saying about language being used as cover for PC’s sexually assaulting other PC’s, but what if your character has a propensity to find certain female Orks that present more human than ork attractive and he hits on all he can find within world as NPC’s?

Yeah, the reason she didn't break the game is because she didn't see it as a big deal at the time. She may have been uncomfortable, but it was ultimately her audience that motivated her to leave the group and transform this into an absurd spectacle that could only have ended with Adam getting canceled. And you're spot on about women needing to be confident enough to speak up and voice their discomfort in these situations. Nothing about Adam or his group suggests to me that they would have been anything but understanding and reasonable had she done so. But the mere suggestion that she should have been required to put in the "emotional labor" for this is so infuriating that some of these people will clutch their pearls and insist that you're "unsafe" at best and some manner of rape apologist at worst.

It's crazy to think that the anti SJWs were actually kinda right... It really seems like some peoples' whole purpose in life is to infantilize and victimize themselves as much as possible.

He was actually a capable DM, and fucked up with a cringe monologue, but he shouldn't be cancelled forever.

I am so scared of the cringe dgg, hold me

Wait, this shit happened almost a year ago; why the fuck are people talking about it again?

time to "in a videogame in a videogame"

I thought this was way overblown but wasn't really surprised. Was an avid follower of their channel for many years but started noticing how it became increasingly muddled with tumblrina (or whatever the current appropriate terminology is) mentalities and people. This would have never been such an issue 3-4+ years ago on their channel. My main problem with Adam in particular about this whole thing (aside from the admittedly really shitty/cringy DM'ing here) is that it comes across as pretty damn hypocritical given that he's often been preaching for safety etc., "consent cards" and all. Don't think he deserved full-on exile so much as a slap on the wrist for this one though. I'm just really glad I play with people who can actually fucking communicate like adults, separate the game from reality and aren't interested in causing a bunch of drama to get attention, life's too damn short for that crap.

I think destiny comes from a position where he assumes a higher level of confidence than is always accessible to people. He talks of "just say don't imply" but sometimes you just don't have the ability to do so.

I wish they would've started with the video instead of trying to offer context.

I find it difficult believe that people are seriously upset about a fake incident in a fake game being played by a group of fake imaginations. 1st world problems for real. These are the worst people to engage with in any activity. Real or otherwise.

15:49 That was actually a hilarious dono.

As soon as the clip started I knew I made a mistake being here

Wait so it’s a girl playing a male robot who gets cyber raped by a female mechanic in the matrix? I’m not trying to be rude or misunderstand but I genuinely can’t tell what the fuck is happening

I know shadow run great game

Sexuality is dumb and bad and I just bar it from my campaigns.

I honestly have no opinion on this, DnD rape is too rich and esoteric for my blood. I see alot of people on both sides of this argument making good points, so Im just gonna fence sit this one.

Oh shit, haha, I've seen this video! This guy clearly had what he thought to be an interesting way of describing this encounter and wasn't taking the hints from his players that they were uncomfortable but, other than some bad decision-making, he didn't really do anything wrong. It was a mistake, accept it and move on. I've been GMing for 30 years, sometimes npcs are meant to be cringy or creepy - sometimes they're meant to be disturbing and instantly hated by the players - these are what make them interesting and engaging. You're not supposed to like this character (he's clearly meant to be creepy) and reactions to the character are fine but taking that out on the GM, as if they are the disgusting npc, is ridiculous! Destiny is right, this GM is clearly signaling the direction the npc is going and the player has every opportunity to speak up.

The clip didn't seem any more cringe to me than a normal DnD session. Edit: After Destiny rewinded the clip even further, I witnessed some unusual amounts of cringe, I take that back.

Destiny has a dumb gamer take at 19:40. Just take a look at r/rpghorrorstories. The amount of times women are subject to rape or unwanted romance RP by the DM or other players is stupid high. Most of the times they don't say anything. There is a social pressure to not make the game unfun, or ruin the session. They usually don't show up next time they play or make excuses not to show up.

role is spelt wrong in the description im going to foam at the mouth and scream then cancel u pls change it

Idk this is kind of a bad take ngl. "If she was so uncomfortable, why wouldn't she say something?" This feels super victim blamey, not the take I was expecting from Destiny. Edit : Not that I think the retroactive outrage was justified, but nowhere else would this kind of justification be tolerated. Idk why he thinks it's appropriate here or otherwise.

It's like- the dangers of creating an unsafe space are everywhere, and I feel unsafe as a result lmao Should we go through life treating every stranger like a severe trauma victim? Maybe I can, but I need to know if that's the rule

The fact the guy is such an SJW makes this so much sweeter