reviewing your takes on animation (60FPS follow-up) 

gamers aren't oppressed but they should be

dude james baxter is my fucking hero

AS A GAMER

"The artist's intent doesn't matter" could be shorthand for "I've never held a colored pencil in my entire life".

3D modeler here: we rig models with bones (think an articulated doll) and then pose them to animate. This is automatically interpolated by the game engine. The reason we do this is for flexibility. Here’s some examples: - some games have a walking animation and a running animation, and code the game to mix between the two depending on how far you push the joystick - going in and out of animations is easier. If you move a character left or right, you can interpolate between the two motions - if you animate a character doing something like picking something up, you can make the animation additive so that the animation will work no matter whether the character is sitting, standing, running etc. you can also multiply variables so if they pick up a large object the animation will scale - running up and down a slope may require telling the computer to lift the feet up higher or lower than normal - frame rate changes So basically, flexibility is the reason! In games where you can do almost anything, you can never truly guess everything a player will do or every angle they’ll look from. So instead, animations are made to be scalable and additive for that reason. The position and rotation of bones is recorded in hard numbers. In fact, there’s a lot more math involved than you’d think. It’s not any harder or easier than 2D hand animation, just different, with different requirements (games need to run at 60fps so players can have appropriate time to react and also not get motion sick). Some stylized games (genshin, honkai, guilty gear) will have capped frame rates on their animations. But that’s an illusion. The game still runs at 60fps, but they take more care to manually cap the frames of character animations to have that level of control and intent you talked about. Sorry about the ramblings, I hope they made sense at all! Math is really the name of the game here, but it’s a tool like any other that requires skill and intent

Why are we talking about animating in 60 fps WHEN WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT 140fps!!! GAMERS HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE!!! 160FPS!!! PC ANIMATIONS MASTER RACE!!!

Not sure if anyone's gonna see this on an old video, but game developer here Game animations do have a base frame rate (usually 30 fps, unless it's an Arc Sys case) but the game engine sees the seconds rather than the frames. You can animate a 60 frame animation at 30 fps, but the game engine will see "This animation is 2 seconds" and show it at the game's current frame rate. I've both made my own games (small indie prototype projects, but they're in 3D) and I've made the Master Form mod for KH3, and the frame rate of KH3's (and my own) animations are 30 fps (a lot of times, individual animation files will have a setting to actually set the animation frame rate and interpolation will take over if needed, so you got that part right). Please keep in mind that this is the standpoint from a 3D dev, not 2D

"i couldnt care less what the animator was trying to achieve" This alone defeats the whole point of animation-

Mfs really out here calling noodle a racist for “generalizing gamers”

Interpolated 60 fps videos do look “lifelike”… …If the aspect of life you’re trying to replicate is standing up too fast with iron deficiency.

Game dev and artist here: 8:24 when we create an animation in a 3D software, we use so called "keyframes". These are key poses that define the major structure of the animation. The software automatically interpolates between the frames using basic lerping functions that more advanced animators can change using curves to give it more character. So essentially, to put it in simple terms, 3D animations for games are animated at infinite fps because the data in between frames gets calculated using math, just like how you can zoom into a vector image indefinitely and it'll never lose resolution, or how text in a text editor can be zoomed in without looking blurry.

The problem with people who like interpolation is basically the same with AI "artists": they see art as the means to an end. It's not. Art has meaning, and if it's made a certain way, that means that the creator of said art wanted their message to be like that. It's not just a thing that you see and go "wow that looks cool" it's a way of expression, be it by creating worlds, illustrating emotions or simply sketching something, you're expressing yourself and your world.

“Sadly not everybody alive today is James Baxter” *sad not James Baxter noises*

“A human being did not write this” You’re right It was a Gamer

This video is animated at about 0.05fps on paddlepop sticks, and looks great. We don't need higher framerates. AAAAAAAAAAHHHHH

Noodle: ALRIGHT YOU GUYS WANT 60FPS? FINE, REAL LIFE FOOTAGE!

*As a gamer*

shoutout to the guy who implied gamers are a race

I love how these people argue that smooth = good and then like every animated movie is now animating on 2s sometimes even 3s, those people havent been proven wrong, they're points have been utterly OBLITERATED

9:35 Ah yes, my skin color is gamer.

I honestly _still_ don't get how people can look at interpolated 60 fps footage of something made for between 12 to 24 and think it looks better with the weird, smooth movement between poses that hold for just a LITTLE too long and think that it looks good. It looks more noticeably staggered to me, and that's before even considering artistic intent. Really it'll only look good if the media in question was made for interpolation.

Anyone who says that animators are “lazy” for not animating in 60fps have no idea what they’re talking about. 60fps would almost triple the budget and time it would take to make ANYTHING animated. If the industry as a whole decided to only start animating in 60 from now on, the animation industry would cease to exist. Companies would refuse to fund new shows or movies because it would be too expensive

I would love to see someone manage to find a stylistic use for the "vaseline" AI-irradiated art style. Perhaps on a glitchy or cosmically unnatural character, on a constant level just not looking right? I suppose it'd be similar to the stylistic choices in rotoscoped animation, where you can leave flaws in on purpose for stylistic or comedic effect. Except, have the entire rest of the setting animated a normal way and just have a single character, animated in greenscreen and interpolated, then inserted into the otherwise normal environment. I think it sounds like a neat idea and fun to pull off, I'd love to invest time into any concept that manages something like that.

I love how you physically printed and glued each comment onto a little cutout instead of just overlaying them on screen. That’s commitment to the craft.

"Gamers have seen the future" Cyberpunk 2077 trailer song "hyper - spoiler" starts to play

"the market will decide" *the market will also decide on child labor if you let it*

Almost entirely unrelated comment but one thing I love about vinyl records is not that the sound quality is better (because it isn’t). But there is something so wonderful about physically owning the album, being able to watch the needle drop and hear the gentle hiss over the dense plate. It’s so wonderful knowing that you’ve financially endorsed an artist you like and knowing you can actually pick up the album. Like how fricking cool is that?! You can pick up your album!!! While it doesn’t directly apply to animation, knowing the actual passion that went into a project (or at least hard work), adds to your enjoyment. Of course this is entirely subjective. Ps. Honestly I feel like I went entirely off topic here

No matter where you go on the internet, stupidity shall always be found a stone-throw away.

As a gamer, I can confirm that I know the exact date the universe ends

The mo-cap argument is so funny because it's not like animators don't go in and tweak everything to hell and back afterwards.

the two arguments basically boil down to: 1: Thats just your opinion 2: 60 fps is better (in my opinion) Which is kinda ironic that the two arguments contradict eachother

4:32 amazing vodeo exvept from this take, just hearing that sound brought a smile to my face, i will listen to terribly compressed music all day

good video, but as a gamer I

“It’s called racism” Gamers truly are the most oppressed class in society

3:08 saying there is a market for ai is the craziest foreshadowing i have seen by far

I still come back to this video and the follow up for the halo remaster like every 6 months. (I also rewatch your other vids too) These ones just hit different though. I personally would love to hear more opinion pieces from you. You are very well spoken while also being crude and funny. This channel really deserves much more recognition

"pro-tip it's racism" I was there laughing for like 20 minutes

Noodle: Gamers- Gamers: *PROTIP: ITS CALLED RACISM*

i love how every comment in this video is cut of as soon as it says "gamer" its just perfect

well i as a small animator that feels like my final projects are fulfilling enough: i compleatly agree with you.

wonder how interpolated paper and cardboard would look like

"Gamers have seen the future" you can't make this shit up, some people out there are crazy

4:25 ahhh, vintage

*_GAMERS HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE_*

"Try animating motion blur" was the funniest shit to me.

"Just too lazy to animate more frames" is so infuriating that it sent me into a primal rage

The way this whole video is shot is so cool and interesting

I love the joke where the gamers kept

*Your channel has given me a newfound love for brown cardboard...*

I agree, but Imagine if a mad lad ACTUALLY painfully animated something at 60fps. Like every single little frame LMAO, shit would look mad silky! Artist would probably just dissolve after though.

“GAMERS HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE” WHAT A FUCKIN LINE

AI is for giving me a 25/50 on my Spanish homework not for animating highly complex and well thought out animation I am not an animator. I do play guitar. If someone took a song i was playing and strummed Em the entire time and called it "enhanced" or "remastered" I would shit myself and jump down a flight of stairs.

"Just draw more frames" sounds an awful lot like "just buy a house"

Wait so James Baxter isn’t a Horse who walks in two legs and do tricks with a ball to make everyone happy?

"GAMERS HAS SEEN THE FUTURE!" Is so funny

Gamers when a movie from the 1940s isn't in 4k60fps:😠😠😠

"Just draw more frames" Homeless? Just buy a house You're depressed? Just cheer up

That one guy who said "this is progress" is most definitely into nft's now

Some guy: It is superb. Noodle: *visible frustration*

i would buy a shirt that says “gamers have seen the future”

“animating on twos is an insult to the audience” Spiderman: Into The Spiderverse: *Am I a joke to you?*

A bit late to the party here and likely won't be seen. But to answer the question about animations in games. We animate at 30fps. Reason being most goals and intentions for games is to run at 60fps. The engine itself interprets the animation and and since 30 is half of 60 it usually always makes for a very smooth and nice interpretation. Now this interpelation can be tuned and adjusted within the engine. Allowing us control over a lot of the fine tunework with how the animation plays. Now the main thing though is the fact that the animation is baked down. Meaning each frame is keyed at the end when exporting. This means the animation timing doesn't get influenced by the framerate or anything above it, as the anim is now playing independently maintaining the intention while playing inside the engine with whatever framerate is playing. Source, game animator for vr and ar interactive technologies.

I watched this whole video with my ambient "fireplace sounds" video still playing from last night without realising, and it really added to the peril.

Hey, I'm not a gameplay animator, but I am a gameplay animation engineer, so maybe I can provide some insight. In short, yes we animate at either 24 or 30fps and have the game engine interpolate these frames for us, but we also don't exactly have the option to not interpolate. For reference, we use 3D models / animations in our game, and I would expect there are differences for 2D animations. Most games target 60fps as an ideal framerate, but due to a lot of uncontrollable circumstances and how many games are created nowadays, games don't always stay at 60fps consistently. Unlike movies / animations that can ensure that there's a constant framerate, it's not uncommon for games to have framerate drops while loading assets, rendering too many objects, etc. So we have to deal with variable framerates where sometimes you have a frame that took more than 1/30th of a second to generate, or 1/48th of a second, etc. If we played the animations back at a consistent rate, these frames would look strange, often "hitchy" if the timing of the poses doesn't match what the player expects. So instead, we interpolate the animation to generate frames on the fly for what a frame of animation would look like after 1/48th of a second has passed, for example. Further, it's fairly common to not only have to interpolate an animation between authored frames, but we also sometimes have to interpolate between other animations as well. When your character goes from running to jumping, we have to interpolate between the running animation and the jumping animation for our character. Or interpolate from walking to running, crouching to dodging, etc. We generate what we call "animation graphs", which are basically rulesets for how a game engine is to interpolate between different animations depending on what the player is doing or attempting to do. The big difference between our interpolation and the tool being discussed here is that our data that the computer understands is WAY more streamlined for computer algorithms to be applied against. With the "Video Interpolator", a computer has to interpret not only the artist's intent, but also "Is that an arm? An eye? How is the character moving between frame 1 and 2?". In 3D animation, the computer has some sort of understanding of what all these things are, and all the data is organized already in a way that the computer understands (skeletons, models + skinning, etc.). The "Skeleton Interpolator" has a much easier time understanding the motion between frame 1 and 2, and is likely to produce more predictable results. Even then, we have animators author the rules behind skeleton interpolation, and in some situations they will hand-author transitions if they feel that the computer isn't doing a good enough of a job. For the Video Interpolator, I'd agree with quite a few points you present. I think this is a tool that's looking for a purpose, and it's incorrect to either say "This tool has no place in animation throw it away", and "This tool should be used for every animation and it's always better". I could foresee a future where maybe a specific sequence could be authored faster using a video interpolator, or the interpolation could be done for a specific background character whose movement isn't that important to the scene and the author just wants to tell the computer "Make these in-betweens so I can focus on animating the main characters in this shot". The tool would need some knobs to adjust (i.e. source framerate and target framerate), but I'd be interested to see if this tech has a future. However, the simple argument of "Higher framerate = better" is not true; different framerates can convey different atmospheres or emotions, and is not simply a metric of animation quality. If it were, stop-motion animation would be considered "just bad lmao", instead of having some form of charm around the imperfection of creating motion from motionless objects.

Who is James Baxter? sounds like a gamer

About videogame animations, I can give some input as an amateur dev, although I have no clue about AAA standard so ask someone else. The tools I use are Blender and Unity (yeah I know, cringe) mostly, and both programs render an animation at 60 fps usually unless your computer is a potato or the project is very poorly optimized. I animate using key frames (the best way I can explain it is that the tools can save the location of certain parts of an object within 3D space at a certain point in time), interpolating the frames, and then tweaking the result by adding more key frames for individual actions (for example lifting a foot a bit higher during a kick for more energy in the motion) and/or directly manipulating the animation curves. TLDR, 3D animators usually aren't animating frame-by-frame, we're animating pose-by-pose. I assume that if the animation is going to be viewed at another frame rate (say an animated movie or a stylized videogame), you can set the program to render the animation at that frame rate and then adjust the animation accordingly, or make the animation from scratch using that render setting. Videogames that use sprites (2D drawings) have to animate sprite-by-sprite, which is kinda like frame-by-frame only animations are are going to be triggered by script or player input, not the frames-per-second format a pen-and-paper animator would need to worry about. 2D isn't my thing, so maybe I'm not giving the whole picture here. As for mo-cap, I have no idea. Apparently RU-vidr Russian Badger (who uses mo-cap w/ Source) can tweak what he captures with traditional 3D animation and in-engine physics interactions. Basically: 48 frames per second doesn't double our workload like it would a 2D animator, instead anything below or above 60 FPS becomes something to account for when animating, and more complex motions will require more key frames and animation curve edits (basically more data) to make look good.

I love how even if it becomes the new standard it will probably take a very long time to change every animation class, the things every animator currently knows about frames and I mean the list goes on. What about animation projects that are currently going on right now? Will they just have to start over? Like I love how not only do they not realise that it doesn’t look good but it would also cause a crap-ton of problems and would take a long time to fully change. Oh, I wonder if he’ll do one reacting to this videos comment too.

As a gamer, I'm offended at how many "gamers" are offended at a video that isn't about gaming.

14:55 "HOLY SHIT, DUDE JUST STRECHED SO HARD HE'S DOING FUCKIN' YOGA!" -Noodle

I think this is the 3rd or 4th time i've watched this video just because it's so good

Guys, he’s not saying you can’t like it, he’s just saying dont go around claiming it’s better.

The "GAMERS HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE" one had me laughing nonstop for a minute

I like this form of animation, please feel free to use it whenever you feel it's appropriate

Here's an example for gamers: In fighting games the strong moves, y'know the ones with oomph those use freeze frames to give them that oomph, this is when the frames pause for a bit SLOWING the framerate to give it a little oomph. These freeze frames are never put in gameplay where you can do anything, so in an animation they don't have to bring it back from the lower framerate giving you oomph and weight to not only impact but also EVERY SINGLE MOVMENT so it just looks better, anyway that's my input.

"I don't believe a human being wrote this" Nah, chances are it was written by an AI. That's why they be simpin for the roboot.

"sadly, not everyone alive today is James Baxter" is just the perfect sentence and I love it so much and I don't know why

Even though I’m a gamer but also an animator, this is way to accurate. When I realized that you can do that with animation, I thought “OK HOLD UP THATS POSSIBLE!?”

8:13 yeah, this is true. I saw a guy in my school watching a 60 fps anime fight scene. I told him that it looks bad, and was like “ok,” so we tried to find fight scenes at 24, and they just do not exist.

30 years later, everyone complains how lazy 60 fps animations are and everyone should be doing it all in 285 fps

"Just draw more frames" Watch these guys complain as their favorite anime takes 4 years to finish rather than 1 year cause they told the studio to draw more frames only for the animators to quit and shut down the project

I agree with every of your points, I love it when animators don't play the safe game like some in the big industry do (thanks for all to the Spiderverse gang). But your point of people not enjoying compressed audio of songs.... well, 2 years down the line we had all of those memes and people do enjoy them from time to time. Maybe because its novel, idk. Or the context around it, yeah. I audibly exhaled through my nose when you played that Hey ya clip :)

hey, im a gam- wait WAIT I'M NOT DONE PL-

Oh man. If these people love 60 FPS animations, why don’t the make them themselves? Draw 60 times in a span of 1 second. GO!

I wanna see a piece of animation where only a single character is animated at 60 FPS. Like, everybody else is animated at 24, but GREASE MAN slides around at 60

EVERY NEW COMMENT STARTS WITH “as a gamer” I CANT

so this is random but thank you for (very indorectly) introducing me to lemon demon because you mentioned aimkid in this video and I discovered animation through her

“GAMERS HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE” I haven’t laughed so hard in my life.

The bash on assassins creed hurt. He’s not wrong. It just hurt.

bro, if I could, I'd put a print of an animation that you got on 2:26... It looks like a fricking skeleton blurred and destroyed. What a beautiful thing to look, 60 fps looks amazing.

My partner is a 3D gameplay animator who used to work at Ubisoft. They animate at 30 FPS and the game engine interpolates it. However 3D interpralation is very different to 2D as the engine is moving the bones of the character to each frame rather than creating a whole new image.

Can't wait to see a video of you reviewing this video's comments!

"Calling this a strawman would be like describing Kennedy's death as a fucking headache" Goddamn I gotta use that one more often Edit: "As a gamer I-" * _immediate cut out_ * Is the peak of comedy and I don't know why.

I think this goes with the whole aspect ratio, animation style, how it’s filmed, video quality, etc. etc. It’s whatever the artist/s intention was!

FUN FACT: in Spiderman Into the Spiderverse caracters are animated at diferent frame rates through the movie, Miles is animated at a lower frame rate that the other spidermans at the start to represent his inexperience and at the end of the movie they animate him the same as everyone else to show his progres, frame rates can do more than just look a little better, it can represent something for the caracters and it can be used creatively.

As a gam- no but I find it so funny how mad people are getting over the bit.

What pisses me off the most about every comment saying "you're just too lazy" is that I am absolutely positive not a single one has made an animation before

I love animation with less frames where each frame is intentional it's better than ai animated bs.

"do you think its worth doubling the workload for maybe three years?" mappa "doubling? three years?"

Those who call animators "too lazy to animate more frames" have clearly never tried animating.

I hate when people are just like “duh just animate in higher framerate then” if it was that easy this argument likely wouldn’t exist