Vader outright lied to him about Luke being son of Anakin ("How is that possible?") when you know at the beginning he is fully aware Luke is Skywalker (That's it! The Rebels are there and I'm sure that Skywalker is with them. Set your course to the Hoth system!"). He planned betrayal for some time.
@@PrzybyszzMatplanety Not for some time, Since when he became his apprentice. He planned to save Padme then murder sidious and take over the galaxy with Padme at his side.
@@PrzybyszzMatplanety I think the "how is that possible" line was in reference to Vader wondering (or pretending to wonder) how his son was alive, but apparently, according to non-movie canon, he knew Luke was his son shortly after he destroyed the death star
I wish he kept the darker version he had in the trailer. It made the non moving eyes and forehead less noticeable. Even better would be to darken his entire half of his face like in the phantom menance transmissions.
I understand, but they wanted to make him 100% look like Palpatine from Episode 3. The older version of him wouldn't give us the same Sith-Lord-feeling. We know that at the 80's the concept of Sith Lords with yellow eyes weren't placed and maybe were just an idea of George Lucas added later to the Star Wars Universe. That time is was more a Jedi vs Dark Side and not like today Jedi vs Sith.
Obi Wan Kenobi he is just talking about the lighting as I can understand. Not about his appearance. At least that is how I read this. And I agree. The more the good shadows the face the better.
The attention to detail really shines here, since Ian in ROTJ spoke a little quicker and had a few more inflections it was nice to see that brought back in the edit
This is one of Adywan's more impressive edits that make too much more sense! If I were to make one fan edit, of HIS fan edit, I'd shroud Palpatine more, make him barley visible, just so Ian's Return of The Jedi Appearance is his First Original Trilogy appearance again haha
Yeah but that's like trying to re-write history after knowing what the truth is. The prequels exist we know who and what the emperor is, Trying to turn back the clock is just stupid.
I wish I had a better computer so I could make my own edit of Adywan's Star Wars. I'd integrate Sc 38 Reimagined into ANH. For Empire, I'd reintegrate the updated Wampa scenes from the special editions and put Temuera Morrison’s Boba Fett voice back in.
@@Malachi_Risinger also make Vader look more like Hayden Christensen when he's unmasked, and maybe add Rex's clone armor in ROTJ as well as leave Hayden and the new EP 6 ending soundtrack which sadly Adywan decided not to include.
LF should've aimed for this template. McDiarmid should have resembled ROTJ Emperor, (not ROTS) w/ his visage being more shadowed, and IMO the updated dialogue is superfluous.
Yeah the addition of the whole "the young rebel who destroyed the death star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker"...thing is pretty unnecessary. It ultimately conveys no more information to the audience than the original "Young Skywalker. He could destroy us" line. That line alone already implies that Vader and the Emperor are familiar with Luke and his family without making the twist too obvious. The addition of the drawn out "yes" before the original, short "yes"from Emperor was also quite unnecessary. The certainty with which the Emperor speaks in the original script with his single "yes" conveys to the audience (in both the very original performance and the unedited Ian McDiarmid performance from the DVDs) that the Emperor has already considered the notion of turning Luke. It was almost as though he was baiting Vader into suggesting it. In the Blu ray version, the additional "yes" with the pause implies that the Emperor is pondering the notion for the first time. Lots of small changes that have notable repurcussions
The additional dialogue always worked fine for me. Clearly Vader was always trying to hide any knowledge of Luke from The Emperor, and while you still get that feeling before the changes, the additional dialogue conveys it far more intriguingly. Also, it always bothered me how Palpatine seemed to know Luke by name, which he shouldn't have if you think about it, leaving the question still open to this day how did Vader really find out.
I’ve always been bothered by the new dialogue: Vader already knows the truth, as it is said in the crawl “obsessed with finding Luke”, and when he tells Ozzel “I’m sure Skywalker is with them”. He obviously does know who Luke is.
Acid Sons the only thing I can think of is that he’s feigning ignorance to prevent the Emperor from thinking he knows about Luke. If Palpatine knew Vader was going to use Luke to help overthrow him, he’d probably kill Vader on the spot.
There is a wonderful subtlety in the Adywan version, with the hood covering more of the Emperor's face, and a couple of McDiarmid's more bombastic lines/expressions trimmed. We also lose that unnecessary added confusion/"confusion" on Vader's part. I have to admit, though, that there are a couple of moments when, due to the Frankestein-ation of 1982 and 2004 footage, Palpatine looks a bit like someone else. Like Mark Hamill imitating the Emperor (at :59 and 1:13).
Ian McDiarmid's portrayal of Sheev Palpatine, also known as Darth Sidious or The Emperor, is nothing short of extraordinary. Over the course of 40 years, he has masterfully embodied one of the greatest supervillains of all time, leaving an indelible mark in the following iconic Star Wars productions: Star Wars: Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (1983) Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace (1999) Star Wars: Episode II: Attack of the Clones (2002) Star Wars: Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (2004, re-release) Star Wars: Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (2005) Star Wars: Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (2011, re-release) Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker (2019) Star Wars: The Bad Batch (2021-2024, television series) Obi-Wan Kenobi (2022, television series) Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi (2022, voice in television series) It's truly incredible how Ian McDiarmid has consistently brought this iconic character to life. His ability to evolve the portrayal of the Emperor as he ages is nothing short of remarkable. Whether he's portraying the character as enigmatic and self-assured, subtly challenging yet cautious, or even aggressively powerful, his performances are nothing short of brilliant. Coupled with his ominous attire, the piercing, malevolent red eyes, and the sheer magnitude of power that Sidious wields, it sends shivers down the spine. Ian McDiarmid's dedication to this role is a testament to his extraordinary talent and has forever solidified him as a legend in the Star Wars universe.
This is so much better. For all the bullshit editions to the OT, this was one of the few changes I didn't mind too much. However I wish George hadn't changed the dialogue, plus had made McDiamird's Emperor look more consistent to that of Return of the Jedi as there's only a year difference between that and Empire.
Well, you know how it is...Palaptine might have been going on vacation, forgot to pack his favorite Sith-block lotion when he was at home, and had to pick up a dinky travel kit on his way to the spaceport instead.
Funny as the 2011 bluray is horrible as not only is the Emperor too close to the Prequels (despite it being very close to Jedi), PLUS the added Skywaker part is pointless. Vader Already said "Skywalker is there" when they found Hoth at the beginning......he ALREADY KNOWS! LOL
The original dialogue didn't make sense. The Emperor says "We have a new enemy- Luke Skywalker," then later says "The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi" without providing any context. Why wouldn't he just say "Young Skywalker must not become a Jedi"? Does he mean Luke's son, or that Luke IS the son? In the new version, no where does Vader say he doesn't know of Luke's existence. He only responds to the Emperor's "I have no doubt this boy is the son of Anakin Skywalker" with "How...is this possible." The new version gives much better context, and very interesting subtext. The subtext being: the Emperor refers to Anakin as a different person, even when speaking to Vader(Who IS Anakin), and the power play that happens later in the film, and the next film has already begun. Vader knows who Luke is, and even know he's his son. The Emperor says so.
Exactly Gameking. If they omitted the part where Vader says "Skywalker is there" when they find Hoth, it would fit better. But the fact Vader says that line prior to this makes it seems silly for Vader to then go "how is it possible I have a son?" lol
Gameking When Vader says "How...is this possible?" he's responding to the Emperor's assertion that Luke is the son of Anakin, NOT that Luke exists as a person, or that he blew up the death star, or that he was involved with Obi-Wan, all of which Vader knows, and never says he didn't know. He might already know that Luke is his son, or he might not. His reveal comes later in the film, when he reveals to Luke that he is Anakin, and wants to overthrow the Emperor.
I don't understand how people prefer the final revised version (with all due respect to other people's opinions). I mean, in the blu-ray version Palpatine expresses his belief that Luke is the son of Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader, then the latter asks how it's possible, Palpatine replies that he knows it is the truth, etc. I, personally, think that blu-ray version is significantly better.
They cut the scene where the emperor admits he lied to Vader about Padme? Don't worry, pepperidge farm remembers. And we remember that dancing twi'lek before the sock puppets in Jabba's.
So do I. I still admire Adywan's edit as a whole, though, and I would not mind seeing his entire edition of the original trilogy someday, as I've found many of his alterations impressive.
I am making a fanedit that does just that. I'm using the visuals of Adywan's Emperor, but rotoscoping the mouth again, where need be, of the added 2004 dialogue.
Nice - slower, more realistic, understated. And I think about the dialogue like this: Vader would have always been faking out the Emperor, pretending to be ignorant etc... as he was never really a full ally. Their type always fight for themselves first and try to gain power.
@@jeezed2950 No it doesn't. It brings continuity back as the emperor in his version resembles ROTJ emperor. The special edition emperor is an improvement over the original, but he resembles Palpatine in ROTS which happened around 2 decades before this (I do know that they shot this scene while filming ROTS).
No dude like honestly I can sort of understand trying to shroud his face more but, 2011 version looks way better, and has much better dialogue, especially since we hear the name anakin, it makes it less odd when Luke says anakin in rotj
I’m sorry, but I prefer the Ian McDiarmid version. He is the emperor to me, & I have no idea why anyone would want the original version but ver the Ian McDiarmid version. It doesn’t make any sense continuity wise, it’s not like they changed this to re-align better with the prequel‘s. The emperor was established in this (original) trilogy.
Everything about Adywan’s is perfect. It’s still Ian but the proper decrepit ROTJ version, not the puffy monster faced ROTS version. And it retained the original 1980 dialogue that didn’t make Vader look like an idiot.
Because the makeup was easier to apply. Episode 3 was filmed in 90 days so there wasn't time to do the makeup to old (and better) way. They used the same makeup and prosthetics for Empire.
because it was a younger palpatine, and a more smooth and fresh prune face and without all the warts and whatever that he got through 25 years of an empire
@@pandogstudios1512 I know! Makes it more of a shame they couldn't replicate the previous one better. Maybe it was because Ian McDiarmid isn't 30 like he was in ROTJ.
JUTAN BUCK It was always an idiotic choice to make him look like a monster in RoTS. In ESB and RoTJ it seemed like he was just old and evil, he even has a cane in that film. Then for some reason george lucas made him look like a monster with glowing eyes, so incredibly stupid.
I hated the way Lucas changed the dialogue in the scene from the original one. TBH I never cared that it was a different actor, and although it was a good idea to get Ian McDiarmid in for continuity, I just can't get past the forced new dialogue.
I'm assuming the side shots do use the Emperor footage from the 2004 special edition, just for the face, and combines it with the the original Emperor footage.
Top half of his face is from his Return of the Jedi appearance (it's a still image), the lower half is taken from the Blu-Ray scene, they are connected together to make a more OT-era accurate version.
i think it looks bad, doesnt look like rotj emperor, should have made it look like Phantom menace emperor where he covers most of his face making it more mysterious.
Where exactly did Adywan get the original dialogue of this scene? Has McDiarmid ever spoken this dialogue himself or was it edited? As far as I remember the original dialogue was only used in the 1980's ESB by the shitty emperor.
GameStation3 actually that's not true. I just looked it up and the 2011 version uses the same dialogue as the 2004 version. This leaves two options: Either McDiarmid spoke this dialogue in 1997 or Adywan put some stuff together on his own.
The Emperor definitely 👍 Looks better in The Adywan Revistited Version seeing The Emperor half covered face makes him look creepier and Darth Vader looks like he is listening to him. In The 2011 Blu-Ray The Emperor looks too cartoonish in HD it’s hard to take him seriously and Darth Vader looks like he is avoiding eye 👁️ contact with The Emperor too with his head tilted in some scenes.
That's the worst thing about all altered editions by George: Everything he "aprooved" looked worse than ever! Jabba in Episode IV, then the updated, yet even faker looking Jabba on the DVDs, this puffy-looking halloween-masked Episode III - McDiarmid... could've made the Prequels less fake-looking for less money, instead of poorly inserting instantly dated effects into classical movies. Long story short... I like this effect here. But it's not part of my unspecializeds blu-rays, so...
I prefer the revenge of the Sith look as he looked intimidating and old. While I don't hate the return of the Jedi look he comes across as just looking old and not really the most powerful sith Lord of all time.
I agree. Old palpatine version. Old Boba Fett voice. Old Anakin ghost. People don’t understand that they don’t need to keep changing things. Not to mention, it’s disrespectful with the original actors.
Sérgio Alexandre Yeah call me old fashion.. but Star Wars being an icon in pop Film is The Most Toyed With unfortunately. Lucas is choking on his Aspirations
actually he is still Ian Micdiarmid, he played emperor in ep6 and then the prequels, Special edition reinserted Ian into ep5 but adywan tweak it to look nore like his look in ep6, since the special edition looks too much like ep3
I still liked the 2004 DVD and 2011 Blu-ray version of Emperor Palpatine in The Empire Strikes Back (But I am not gotta to sugarcoat it on the Adywan Revisited version does looks different, my honestly opinion)
i love all the Lucas fixed all the films, is sad how the "fans" don't like the changes for better thanks of that we have a now the horrible Disney shit trilogy
Revisited is better because the emperor there matches ROTJ emperor. 2004/2011 emperor is an improvement over the original but he resembles ROTS emperor. I do know that they shot the scene while filming ROTS
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