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Tragic? I'd hardly call him tragic. He didn't understand that Eivor and Sigurd were angry because he was more honest with a complete stranger rather than his own children. He also didn't make it easy for them, always belittling their accomplishments, choosing to look at problems rather than any solutions.
Maybe I‘m the one who don’t understand Norse culture, but it seems that Sigurd is the one who doesn’t understand fatherhood and leadership. Old man Styrbjorn did what every father would do, to compromise in order to protect his son and his clan, even if it costs his own pride, glory and power, that’s what Varin did, and what Rainfall did in RDR2. Lucky thing is, in the end, Eivor understood.
Norse culture is about the conflict, the battle, and growth. A true drengr is supposed to see Harolds army and think of only one thing, the glory at fighting such an enemy. Survival doesn't matter as much as the glory. Your life is your saga, and to be truly remembered you are supposed to strive to fight the strongest foe, the largest army. All tactics are free game for there is no dishonor in using flame and poison, ambushes, traps, and shadows. Using wit and strength against their wit and strength. Every man you pull down merely grows your saga and glory. Remember, there are 5 paths upon death as a viking. The highest honor is to go to Valhalla as an Einherjar, a warrior of Odin himself. There is only one way to become such a thing, die in battle with a weapon in your hand. If you die by any means other than combat you cannot join Odin's army. Freyja has her own group that is full of women that die in combat. Now, if you are a sage, one who sought truth and improved what your clan and people were capable of (early scientists and such) you would go to Valhalla as a learned one, upon Ragnarok the sages would be sent into the heavens, half of them actually survive alongside the 5 Aesir that survive and become the advisors and such in the next age. Skalds can also enter Valhalla but, only if they are also warriors or sages. They must also be one or the other yet they have their own hall in Valhalla they go to, every night they join the Einherjar in the greatest hall...they sing of the deeds of the past and those happening now to the warriors. The 5th ending? You go to Hel as an unworthy. Look at what they value. Warriors that show courage in the face of anything and everything. Sages that will learn and share what they know to make those around them better. Skalds good with their wit and words, be it to demoralize or embolden all that hear them. Being a 'good person' is not a part of their culture. Yes, it is preferred, but being mean or callous is not considered a hugely negative trait. NOTHING is worse than a coward or oath breaker to them.
@@Nempo13 Thank you for your elaboration. Though I still hold my opinion that what Sigurd did is not so appropriate, but it is totally understandable and reasonable in Norse tradition.
@@alexescutia4805 the Vikings were thought to be such great warriors because of their religion and beliefs. The only written documentation’s of them are from people they raided, so usually their words are most likely twisted in a way to make the raided loss as reasonable as possible. They never feared death in battle as it was only a transition into the afterlife, becoming stale and stagnant like Sigurd’s father would be considered dishonourable and foolish. Why wouldn’t you want to go to heaven? King Harald was ambitious yes, but he only wanted unity within the confines of Norway, so when Sigurd hears about this he is disappointed and reasonably angry.
I think Sigurd and Eivor, while understanding the reasons that led Styrbjorn to do what he did, they were angry due to the fact that they have been lied to.
Amazing how people think Sigurd and Evior shouldn't be mad. Imagine you working your ass off to help your dad buy a house, and then on one fine day, without even talking to you about it, he annouces that your neighbor Peter will be getting the inheritance. I know I'd be pissed as fuck. It is not just about the house, it is also about respect. Sigurd, Evior, and other members of the clan bleed and died for their king, all just for him to surrender it away. It is not just Sigurd, the whole clan is pissed, that is why they all left with Sigurd and snubbed their jarl. He mistreated his clan and his clan lost all respect for him. If you go back to Fornburg, it is completely deserted.
@@hellgates_javed6451Yeah, but in the end that peace cost him essentially his entire clan. The irony of Styrbjorn saying he couldn’t give his title to Sigurd is that… all his people left with Sigurd anyway.
I like that you can end up in a scenario where upon leaving Norway Styrbjorn is worried Eivor is the one that will lead Sigurd astray, but upon returning to Norway, he believes you're the only one that can save his son from himself.
He was worried about Eivor being a bad influence when the problem was within Sigurd to begin with. It was Sigurd sailing away, finding Basim, and coming back with tales of prophecy and greater destiny. Basim saw what Fulke saw and they all left Eivor in the dark and on their own to be the leader that Styrbjorn KNEW!!! Sigurd couldn't be. He KNEW Sigurd didnt know what it meant to be a leader and in this very video said so that it influenced his decision to abdicate the throne. He had the nerve to blame Eivor instead of facing the truth he already knew. A coward indeed.
Thank you for putting this together. I can see now that in hindsight I would have chosen different options than I had. More appropriate, yet more painful. Words our characters needed to hear.
I mean try to understand it from siggurd’s pov. He just came back home after years away, and following a massive battle that his dad pushed them not tk do despite it clearly being neccessary, he then goes on to bend the knee, giving away siggurd’s literal birthrught without so much as talking about it before hand. It was incredibly disrespectful to siggurd and eivor and both had a right to be upset at Styrbjorn
for 1st i will go for the second option, for second set i will choose "you should have told us." for sure and for 3rd set i will go 1st answer as for taking me as a son no matter what he did he does not deserve those "i have no father" words
What Styrbjorn did was right as history will attest to, but he didn't tell Sigurd anything about it until Harald was knocking on the door already. That's really where he went wrong and made it so easy for Sigurd to turn against him. He may not have had he been upfront about it earlier. It only made Styrbjorn seem like he was a super coward and not just making the truly best decision for his clan.
I don't remember what choice I made here 😆 I dont remember visiting the father at the end at all. I'll never understand the hate this game gets.. All the huge DLCs that couldve been their own games, the seasonal festivals, constant new stuff and all the free content.. Plus 2 more big DLCs coming next year.. I bought the season pass and it was well worth the 30$... 277 hours in and still enjoying it
Styrbjorn is right. This whole viking idea of dying fighting with glory is a foolish idea to defend your pride. A true hero would do what Styrbjorn did. Be willing to give his life to save his people.
There are more important things in this life than physical survival. It's called honor. People without honor are not men, but some cowardly slugs. If fighting for glory is a foolish excuse to protect your pride, then willingly surrendering to the enemy to survive is a foolish excuse for the cowardly. Styrbjorn is a coward even in this day and age, what's left of a 9th century viking.
@@aleksandaram making a move that won't cost the life of your people as a leader does not make u a coward. If the enemy force is too strong u may as well surrender just so your people can survive.
@sirmcsir2080 You miss the point and can't get into the atmosphere of the game. You are thinking like a 21st century person with your moral compasses and mindset and you don't understand that for the warriors of the Middle Ages, especially the Vikings, death is not the most terrible thing, but the humiliation and dishonor of bend the knee and not going to Valhalla. It's kind of absurd to talk about morality and right decisions in a video game about medieval murderers, thieves, rapists and sociopaths and you (Eivor) personally killed thousands of people and robbed every house you could get your hands on. If Styrbjorn had told Eivor and Sigurt, they would have kicked the sh*t out of f*ckin Harald. The fact that all the warriors went with Eivor and Sigurt to England, and did not stay in Fornsburg with Styrbjorn, says that I am right. The story itself in the game says I'm right. It just gives you a chance not to be too harsh on Harald. In the end, Styrbjorn is left in a half-empty Fornsburg alone in his own regret, dishonor and drunkenness at the end of the game.
Anyone else feel like there could’ve been a really great storyline with Sigurd being the main character instead? Being an ass in the beginning and then searching for your purpose and a redemption arc.
I feel dumb for asking, maybe someone here can help me with something. I've fought Dag, now no main story missions are showing. Do I have to wait? I haven't taken Sigurds wife out and about. Do I have to do that?
I do understand why they’re mad but if sigurd was better i would be against styrbjorn. But the fact sigurd is just a selfish prick who only cares about his personal ambitions the entire game so far. Styr made the right choice in my opinion, seeing how as soon as we got to England. Sigurd straight up left and never comes back. Eventually you start to realize he doesn’t give a shit about the settlement or his people just his personal ambitions. He never handled his responsibilities as a jarl and even when you bring him back, eivor still has to try and handle his responsibilities and he gets mad. So he clearly has no interest in his responsibilities or his people. So imagine how that would make styrbjorn look giving his throne to his son just for him to leave forever.
When "personal ambitions" overlap with those of all your people, then you are right. So all the people left Styrbjornn and joined with Sigurt because he was right. However, the game is about northern european warriors from the middle ages, I don't expect you to understand what that means.
Because Eivor was a boy during his childhood not a girl :/ SJWs or whatever ruined games these days with the option to be Male or Female no offense though.
Sigurd is a @@@@wipe and ruins the enjoyment of the game. The best ending is to smack him one and let him vanish to his own devices. Poor, poor writing in this game, and worse game characters. Cheers Kit
@@shadowthief9577 well considering he was trying to build alliances he must have been highly stressed with how eivor was always causing trouble and sigurd was bearly ever home I cant blame him for saying that.
@@eduardor-o4884Maybe, but the irony of the whole thing is … Styrbjorn’s entire clan left with the “selfish boy with no sense of leadership”. Ultimately, Sigurd did prove Styrbjorn right, but Styrbjorn basically became a jarl without people.
@@tmc31390to be honest in my own opinion sigurd proved his father right, he is unfit to lead because most of the time It was eivor who was taking care of the village and raiding and building it up while sigurd was away leaving eivor to handle disputes in his place and when he was captured he came back a crippled raging lunatic with a god complex who didn't know his wife was lusting over eivor. It sucks to be sigurd.
first playthrough when I defied the prophecy and didn't betray Sigurd, it broke me when Eivor said "I have no father" because the whole time i thought Sigurd was acting like an arrogant and spoiled child for not understanding the greater significance of the alliance he forged.
@@tiredraven4668 I don’t remember him saying Miklagard instead of Constantinople but then again it’s been a long time since I beat the game. Regardless it’s a very minor detail since they both refer to the same exact place so it doesn’t really matter
I really liked both Sigurd and Styrbjorn, they're very tragic. Sigurd was still struggling with the betrayal of trust, the loss of his kingdom, of his fighting arm and the months of torture. His marriage made no sense anymore and failed, and he was never again going to explore the world... for someone once so celebrated and adventurous his future was pretty empty and bleak. His grand quest to find his Isu past life was basically him trying to recover his sense of self-worth. And Styrbjorn was also struggling with losing his honour and his son, to save his clan, and he was a wreck because of it. I wish there was an option where they had made peace with each other.
Styrbjorn making a last-minute choice to serve Harald without informing his kids was where he went wrong. There is no dishonor or disservice in pursuing peace and stability for his people. Abdicating the throne is the morally correct choice. But for the fact that Styrbjorn made it *alone* is where he carved betrayal. Eivor and Sigurd are justified in their anger for this. Both Styrbjorn and Randvi knew Sigurd was ill-suited for leadership (proving exactly the problem with bloodline leaders), but had opposite opinions of the situation of Eivor being the better option. Styrbjorn blaming Eivor for Sigurd being reckless and ambitious when he knew better... that's two layers of cowardice. So while some of Sigurd's rage is justified, not all of it is, because of his inflated ego. Eivor is responsible and supportive, doing everything in their power to serve and protect the Raven Clan. Styrbjorn can nurse his cup knowing he alone wrecked his family.
Am I the only one who thinks that they are way to rough with him? I mean I can see why they are angry about all that what happened, but after all he is their father. No need for such disrespect
Lol, Vikings are battle born warriors, to seek peace is a cowardice to them. Even worse, deny a son's heritage without his knowledge. Maybe we shall not judge their culture based on our moral standards
@@daboss6614 actually there are only two written sources of a couple female vikings and many upon many written sources that tell of them escorting women away from the battle and fighting. women were treated very well in Scandinavian times
@@weadarkfacebook Something I noticed throughout the game. First in Ledecestreshire, when Sigurd says he thinks he and Harald have much in common, then later as he grows more and more unstable, and especially after we returned to Norway. Sigurd is desperate for the title of king, at least at first, and over the course of the game becomes even more ambitious. The difference is that Harald has both the wisdom and the army to back up his ambition, while Sigurd has neither
If I try to go back it holds same choices in outcome. Among the 50+ crashes, literally, it holds storylines even if save load before. Breakups, these choices, picking up items before crash that leave mark. I am thoroughly pissed at the issues they have yet to address. Cost how much again?!?! 199:51 hours in...
I agree with Sigurd it was his kingdom to rule a foreigner just can’t take what was his. He’s right to be angry. You should have started war against king harald and stake claim on his crown it’s rightfully sigurds. You should be able to start war in Norway you do in England.
Starting a war against harald would have been suicide. That's what styrbjorn said in the beginning of the game to eivor. They had no allies and that he was trying create alliances with other clans so they can grow more and more powerful so they can outnumber their enemies armies. He was up against the wall and In his eyes sigurd was unfit to lead So he had to make a decision, go to war against a far superior army who would gave destroyed them all or bend the knee to harald and ensure the clans survival.
@@eduardor-o4884 what about at the end when you have all these allies and conquered England huh? You should be able to go back to Norway and claim the throne for yourself you can beat harald now.
@@yoshpeters3079 yes when styrbjorn bent the knee to harald they had no allies at all and when you do have all these alliances at the end of the game sigurd had lost interest in ruling Norway since he apparently believes he's meant for greater things then Norway. He even called it a frozen backwater.
Every woman I've ever seen try to fight a man, even women that think talking with a raspy voice makes them tough,....lose badly. Female Eivor would be no different. She'd get a shin splint, or stress fracture, from low calcium, and one good smack from a hammer, shield, or even the flat side of a sword blade, would break her.
